[03:26] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[06:40] <ducasse> good morning
[07:09] <lordievader> Good morning
[10:14] <Fuseteam> Morning
[11:15] <oerheks> https://www.amazon.nl/s?k=ubuntu
[12:06] <pragmaticenigma> morning ducasse ... what is haxxa up to now?
[12:06] <EriC^^> reinventing the distro
[12:07] <pragmaticenigma> that again?
[12:07] <pragmaticenigma> and morning EriC^^
[12:08] <ducasse> "i want to convert ubuntu to debian"
[12:08] <EriC^^> morning pragmaticenigma
[12:08] <ducasse> "no, you don't"
[12:08] <pragmaticenigma> already been done... it's called... Debian
[12:16] <luna_> time for WSLConf
[13:49] <luna_> https://primetime.bluejeans.com/a2m/live-event/zbdwcjbv Virtual Ubuntu conference
[15:48] <Fuseteam> Oof
[17:39] <littlekimmy> hi
[17:39] <littlekimmy> find . mtime -3 vs find . mtime +3 how are they different.
[17:39] <pragmaticenigma> littlekimmy: Directly from the man page that you didn't read: -mtime n
[17:39] <pragmaticenigma>     File's data was last modified n*24 hours ago. See the comments for -atime to understand how rounding affects the interpretation of file modification times.
[17:43] <littlekimmy> it doesn't say what if n is +n vs -n.
[17:44] <littlekimmy> so find . mtime +3 vs -3
[17:44] <pragmaticenigma> littlekimmy: Do you not know basic math?
[17:44] <littlekimmy> of course
[17:45] <oerheks> littlekimmy, ye have been answered in ##linux, what do you not like about the answer?
[17:45] <littlekimmy> I know basic math. no it has not been answered
[17:45] <oerheks> yes it is .. <ayecee> one does older than, the other does newer than
[17:46] <littlekimmy> ahh thx oerheks I didn't knew he said that.
[17:46] <pragmaticenigma> littlekimmy: If you knew basic math... you would know that the parameter you provided is represented by "n" ... and in the description it states the parameter checks for modifitcation time n*24... so you're expression becomes "-3 * 24" or "3 * 24" depending on the signage you have choosen
[17:47] <oerheks> n = days ( 24 hrs
[17:47] <lotuspsychje> crossposting heh?
[17:47] <littlekimmy> pragmaticenigma: of course the expression becomes +ve or -ve.
[17:48] <littlekimmy> lotuspsychje: no i came from ##linux when they refused to answer.
[17:48] <lotuspsychje> littlekimmy: oerheks just said you got answered?
[17:48] <pragmaticenigma> littlekimmy: because, they like us, know you didn't take anytime to try and figure it out on your own
[17:49] <littlekimmy> pragmaticenigma: How did they know one is older than X days ago and the other is newer than X days ago? it's not mentioned ??
[17:49] <littlekimmy> I am still wondering reading the manual.
[17:50] <ducasse> we can explain to you, we can't understand it for you
[17:50] <pragmaticenigma> mtime represents last modification date ... again, in the manual, it bases the calculation on 24 hours from "now"
[17:52] <pragmaticenigma> So "-mtime 1" would mean 24 hours ago and "-mtime 2" would mean 48 hours ago
[17:52] <littlekimmy> no it's not about hours 24*2 = 48 i know that.
[17:52] <littlekimmy> I am talking about the sign.
[17:55] <pragmaticenigma> the signage tells in which direction the comparison goes... negative means files before, positive means files after, no sign means precisely
[17:55] <sarnold> this feels like the sort of thing that's easier to just run two tests and find out what they do rather than ask people on irc to read the docs for you :)
[17:56] <littlekimmy> pragmaticenigma: how did you know that as the manual doesn't tell it?
[17:57] <pragmaticenigma> littlekimmy: There is this thing... it's called a search engine
[17:57] <pragmaticenigma> it helps me find information on the Internet
[17:57] <pragmaticenigma> Personally, I use duckduckgo... but you can use Google, Bing, Yandex, Yahoo, Altavista, and many many more
[18:21] <littlekimmy> rsync -a f/ g/
[18:21] <littlekimmy> does rsync compare f/ and g/ when were they last modified
[18:33] <littlekimmy> pragmaticenigma: in ubuntu channel i am not allowerd to ask - I want to list all file metadata on ext4 ? which cmd
[18:33] <littlekimmy> modification,access time,etc...
[18:33] <TJ-> littlekimmy: 'stat /path/to/file'
[18:42] <Nyle> Anyone use Retroarch?
[18:42] <Nyle> I find that the ubuntu packages don't work well at all with how retroarch functions.
[18:42] <Nyle> For example, you start retroarch after installing from their repo, and what happens is that it has an online updater thing in there to download cores and artwork etc.
[18:43] <Nyle> You try to update assets for retroarch, icons, etc. through it, and sicne it installs to a /usr or somethign directory, permission issue, and noting gets written to that directory
[18:43] <lotuspsychje> Nyle: snap install retroarch
[18:43] <Nyle> So I find retroarch has to be configured to not have any location other than ~/ somewhere you can write to
[18:44] <Nyle> I will mention this to them.
[20:20] <Nyle> I don't like the general sentimentality showcased...
[20:20] <Nyle> If I am not so good at reading, and failing to understand, I'd ask others to read for me and help me understand.
[20:21] <Nyle> ducasse │ we can explain to you, we can't understand it for you
[20:21] <Nyle> Yes. Actually you can.
[20:21] <Nyle> You can understand something for another and then explain it to them.
[20:21] <Nyle> Perhaps you ought not to be trying your hand at support on freenode if you lack patience.
[20:21] <Nyle> I find your comments inflammatory and insensitive.
[20:22] <Nyle> pragmaticenigma │ littlekimmy: because, they like us, know you didn't take anytime to try and figure it out on your own
[20:22] <Nyle> That is also inaccurate, becuase obviously, he is taking the time to figure it out on his won.
[20:22] <Nyle> own*
[20:23] <Nyle> Obviously. Just because he isn't quick enough, means you can say all these things? Pass judgement? Call another lazy or insinuate laziness on another's part?
[20:23] <Nyle> My two cents? Shame on you.
[20:23] <Nyle> Seriously. Shame. On. You. Might reconsider your desire for 'supporting' others.
[20:23] <Nyle> Perhaps gratify this desire elsewhere, and not at the expense of innocent people.
[20:23] <Nyle> I'm fairly disgusted.
[20:23] <daftykins> no you're asking people to be your personal tutor, show some consideration for others lives for which you do not pay
[20:24] <Nyle> So what?
[20:24] <Nyle> So what if he asked?
[20:24] <Nyle> If you don't want to, say nothing.
[20:24] <oerheks> install the snap version, done.
[20:24] <Nyle> Let those who want to tutor him, tutor him and spend the time.
[20:24] <Nyle> It's not your place to pass moral judgements on behavior.
[20:24] <Nyle> Especially when your own is borderline abhorrent.
[20:25] <oerheks> what is your issue?
[20:25] <Nyle> I just clearly stated it.
[20:25] <Nyle> Perhaps it would be prudent to work on your reading/comprehension skills.
[20:25] <Nyle> See? I can say mean things too
[20:25] <Nyle> ...
[20:26] <Nyle> Take a lesson and be less arrogant. You wern't born with this knowledge.
[20:26] <hggdh> OK, I think this is enough
[20:26] <Nyle> Humble yourself, mate.
[20:32] <oerheks> snap gives the lates, libretro ppa is dated, and your attitude is abusive.
[20:33] <hggdh> again, enough.
[20:50] <Nyle> I only asked if anyone used retroarch. I didn't say anything about versions or ppa or latest anything. I just have happened to read the backlog and noticed something that was out of place in my mind, so I commented on it.
[20:52] <Nyle> In other news, I do use the dev version of retroarch, always latest, so that's not the problem. It's just the packages that are in ppa don't write in-program update stuff to /lib or /usr or whereever it resides
[20:52] <Nyle> For example, one has to configure the retroarch.cfg file to manually change paths/locations to NOT point to anywhere in /usr/ or /lib (where I seem to not have any write permissions)
[20:53] <Nyle> Once I change the paths to somewhere in ~/retroarch/ or something, I can download cores, assets, cheats, thumbnails, etc. etc.
[20:54] <Nyle> I used a default cfg that comes with retroarch (or gets generated), it defaults to those locations and then you cannot download cores or update them etc. etc.
[20:54] <Nyle> I also see packafges like retroarch-(enginename here) etc. packages so it seems they are packaging the cores as seperate packages
[20:57] <Nyle> I just noticed the difference in how the ppa/packags work as opposed to how snap dev version works.
[20:57] <Nyle> Because, I think it would be better as package instead of a snap package, but that's my preference.
[21:26] <hggdh> Nyle: PPAs are build by, and maintained (if at all) outside of official packages. How a PPA works (or does not) is something that only the PPA creator can resolve
[21:29] <Nyle> Yup. I said earlier, I'll bring it up with them. 06:44:05 pm                 │ I will mention this to them
[21:30] <Nyle> Though I wonder why they prefer also the snap packages.
[21:30] <hggdh> ack
[21:30] <Nyle> I never cared for snaps that much. Seems it always has some issue in someting somewhere. Like one thing how to make it read outside directories properly
[21:32] <hggdh> mostly because a snap can be (theoretically) used on any supported platform, without needing to build one package per platform/version. And they can be made to access outside directories (some assembly required)
[21:32] <Nyle> Oh really?
[21:33] <Nyle> that's useful
[21:33] <Nyle> so if snap was madeon ubuntu it will work on redheat or osmeting
[21:33] <Nyle> hat*
[21:36] <Nyle> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snappy_(package_manager)#Criticism
[21:37] <Nyle> https://www.happyassassin.net/2016/06/16/on-snappy-and-flatpak-business-as-usual-in-the-canonical-propaganda-department/
[21:37] <Nyle> Intresting.
[21:45] <hggdh> yes, it would, pretty much like flatpaks