[01:52] <daftykins> interesting, looks like landscape doesn't update live in Firefox 74
[05:46] <brobostigon> morning
[10:36] <zmoylan-pi> o/
[12:52] <ball> popey: You're coming out of my speakers.
[12:52] <popey> Sorry about that
[12:52]  * ball chuckles
[12:53] <ball> I don't think I've ever heard the Linux For Everyone podcast before.
[12:53] <popey> how did you stumble on that then? :)
[12:54] <ball> Followed the podcast yesterday on Twitter when someone else mentioned it, I think.
[12:55] <popey> ahhh
[13:09] <ball> It's snaptastic.
[13:13] <knightwise> hey popey
[13:14] <knightwise> i enjoyed your latest youtube video's ! :) especially the screenshot tour down memory lane
[13:51] <ball> I find myself wanting a ThinkPad
[13:51] <ball> I blame popey.
[13:52] <zmoylan-pi> wanting a thinkpad is perfectly natural... owning more than 1 is almost normal. 5 or more and you are into linux version of cat lady :-)
[13:56] <ball> One challenge is that there have been so many versions over the years it's not easy to know what kind I would like.
[13:56] <zmoylan-pi> not all thinkpads are the same... no
[14:03] <ball> Hmm... ThinkPad 11e claims to be "Student proof".
[14:04] <zmoylan-pi> they always invent a dumber student...
[14:05] <ball> popey: Any ide whether that one works with Linux?
[14:05] <ball> idea*
[14:06] <ball> ideal* <- for the Bristolians
[14:06] <popey> I honestly don't know. Not played with chromebooks
[14:06] <popey> oh, it's windows, not chromeos
[14:07] <ball> $480 after coupon.
[14:07] <ball> Celeron N4100.  Let me look that up.
[14:07] <zmoylan-pi> try https://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/ThinkWiki
[14:07] <ball> It would be nice to buy it with Linux on, given the choice
[14:08] <ball> ..if only because it tells the manufacturer that people are interested in Linux.
[14:10] <zmoylan-pi> manufacturers don't see people as customers, they see companies that buy 10000 of their laptops as customers
[14:10] <ball> In my last job I used to buy quite a few Dell laptops
[14:10]  * ball contemplates sticking the kettle on.
[14:11]  * zmoylan-pi confesses to having never having used a dell desktop or laptop in my life.
[14:11] <zmoylan-pi> and my first pc was a mitac in late 80s...
[14:11] <ball> zmoylan-pi: We had about 400 desktops in the field and were buying Dells to replace those when they failed.
[14:12] <ball> (back when we were allowed to buy things)
[14:12] <ball> Mostly Optiplex 3070 tiny and mini tower variants.
[14:12] <ball> (quad core i3, SSD etc.)
[14:13]  * ball looks up the ThinkPad E.
[14:17]  * ball accidentally adopts the ThinkPad 860
[14:18] <zmoylan-pi> left in a basket on your doorstep? :-P
[14:19] <ball> I would give it a good home.
[14:56] <lornajane> I have less than five thinkpads, so I'm officially not a linux cat lady
[14:57] <ball> That 11e looks as though it would do everything I need.
[14:57] <lornajane> I think we're only a six-thinkpad household, so far
[14:57] <ball> If I find a job I might buy one.
[14:59] <zmoylan-pi> dangerously close though... :-P
[15:00] <lornajane> yeah four of them are mine. And there's time yet ... also this X1 technically belongs to my employer and I'll miss it when I leave
[15:03] <zmoylan-pi> will they? :-P
[15:24] <lornajane> eh, probably. They're pretty enterprise. My first thinkpad was "inherited"
[15:24] <zmoylan-pi> one of the few laptop brands that a second hand laptop is still very desirable
[15:24] <lornajane> I left a job with no job to go to, no laptop of my own, and it was way overdue for replacement. I still have that machine
[15:26]  * zmoylan-pi looks around room at 4 'old' laptops sitting idle.... all craptops as they were mostly obsolete when bought new.
[15:26] <zmoylan-pi> all except my precious, my olpc.... :-)
[15:31] <ball> lornajane: I was laid off at the beginning of this year.
[15:53] <ball> brb, lunch.
[15:57] <lornajane> ball: ouch. My manager is looking to move on and I'm not sure if I want to stay without her. I'm hoping to be making the decision myself though and in my own time
[15:57] <daftykins> ball: grabbing an older model ThinkPad would be the way to go, i picked up a T440s for £170 on ebay a bit ago - 4th generation 'haswell' core i5, that'd be the minimum to aim for really