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duflujamesh, pulseaudio 1:11.1-1ubuntu7.5 is still in proposed. Did you get an update on that?02:26
jameshduflu: not yet.  I'll ping jdstrand about it.02:26
jameshduflu: yesterday I noticed some problems with the mouse pointer on my desktop.  It looked a lot like https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/186537102:27
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1865371 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "Mouse Cursor or Touchpad indicator/pointer not working" [Undecided,Incomplete]02:27
duflujamesh, sounds like progress: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/snapd-glib/+bug/185619602:27
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1856196 in snapd-glib (Ubuntu Focal) "Lower the snapd recommends to a suggests" [High,Fix released]02:27
jameshmight be tied to the Radeon driver?02:27
duflujamesh, yeah too many possible causes so please open a new bug from yours: ubuntu-bug gnome-shell02:28
thumperdoes anyone know who runs the matrix bridge?02:36
sarnoldI've heard they actually have a person now02:38
jameshduflu: here's a new bug report: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/186708002:48
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1867080 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "No mouse cursor drawn in Wayland session" [Undecided,New]02:48
dufluTa, jamesh02:52
duflujamesh, can you please add output from 'lspci -k' ?02:53
jameshduflu: done02:55
duflujamesh, fixed in mutter 3.36.002:58
jameshduflu: I guess this is the same as https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mutter/+bug/1866371 then03:01
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1866371 in wayland (Ubuntu) "Mouse cursor disappears in Ubuntu 20.04 on Wayland since 5th March update" [Undecided,Confirmed]03:01
dufluyep03:02
dufluThat was in the list of 90 bugs I am in the process of catching up on03:03
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jibelhi all06:26
dufluHi jibel06:36
oSoMoNgood morning desktoppers06:45
dufluHi oSoMoN06:54
dufluGood trip home?06:59
oSoMoNhey duflu. My trip was short an uneventful, how was yours?07:00
dufluoSoMoN, amazingly I have so far got away without a cold or flu, which is unusually good. The main flight was very full but I took a pill and slept most of it07:01
oSoMoNgood! I haven't had any ubuflu symptom either, but then again my travel was negligible compared to yours07:02
didrocksgood morning07:09
dufluHi didrocks07:11
oSoMoNsalut didrocks07:11
didrockshey duflu, salut oSoMoN07:17
dufluWeird. Why has my focal desktop kept the login screen theming bugs that were fixed for my laptop last week?07:35
dufluFully updated07:35
jibelsame here07:52
jibelthe login screen is fine but the shield is not07:52
duflujibel, oh that's different again08:07
dufluSurely this is related to how old my install is. Probably doesn't happen in new installs08:08
* duflu makes another USB stick08:08
jibeli'll try on today's build08:08
duflujibel, adding a user account photo fixes one of the issues08:35
seb128goood morning desktopers!08:40
dufluMorning seb12808:41
duflujibel, I forgot the centring bug is not yet fix-released (bug 1865563)08:41
ubot5bug 1865563 in yaru-theme (Ubuntu) "password box not centered" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186556308:41
didrockssalut seb12808:42
seb128hey duflu, didrocks, how are you?08:43
dufluseb128, travelled well and no longer jet lagged, I think. You?08:43
seb128duflu, ah, good to read! and no cold/flu/... on the way back this time?08:44
seb128I'm good, return trip was easy train for me :)08:44
seb128and week has been busy with GNOME 3.36 updates08:44
didrocksseb128: I’m good, thanks! You?08:44
seb128didrocks, I'm good thanks! played some tennis yesterday evening :)08:44
dufluseb128, yeah some element of luck there and also better practices08:45
seb128wasn't great because of the wind but still nice to be outside/moving08:45
didrocksnice08:47
WimpressHello desktopers09:02
Laneyhey09:03
seb128hey Wimpress, how are you? had a good day off? got internet fixed?09:03
seb128hey Laney09:03
dufluHi Wimpress and Laney09:03
WimpressYep. Good day off. Fixed network/internet in the afternoon.09:03
WimpressLooks like it went wonky again in the early hours.09:04
WimpressSo....09:04
Wimpressduflu: o/09:04
WimpressDid some live streams last night, basic debian/ubuntu package updates, testing, etc.09:04
WimpressSo internet did hold up for that, but died at the very end :(09:05
jibelcan someone try today's iso on a real machine and tell me if it boots?09:13
didrockshey Wimpress, Laney09:13
jibeluh, looks like image checksum is broken09:15
jibelthis is bug 186706509:16
ubot5bug 1867065 in casper (Ubuntu) "Installer hangs at boot on machine with LVM" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186706509:16
jibelxnox, ^ I think it's for you09:18
jibelit's related to the checksum of the image09:18
Wimpresstseliot: Morning.09:56
WimpressHave you seen any reports of the updated nvidia driver hard locking systems while updating initramfs?09:57
WimpressMy desktop hard locked while installing updates.09:57
WimpressGot the system to boot, but trying to update/remove nvidia drivers hard locks the system everytime initramfs attempts to rebuild.09:59
WimpressI'm on the 440 series driver.09:59
WimpressOK. Kernel panics.10:05
dufluWimpress, default kernel?10:06
dufluI noticed some complaints about 5.610:06
dufluwith nvidia-44010:06
WimpressYes, 5.4 kernel.10:07
dufluDifferent bug then10:07
Wimpresscore dumps each time DKMS is updated when recovering via single user.10:08
dufluWimpress, seb128, also I would have thought we should display the Ubuntu logo before then?...10:08
seb128before what?10:08
duflubefore the kernel boots and potentially hangs10:09
seb128can we do that?10:09
duflugrub can surely?10:09
WimpressThat is working duflu.10:09
seb128I guess, unsure how much would that would be, feels late to start on that for this cycle10:09
WimpressI see the Ubuntu logo.10:09
dufluAh OK.10:10
dufluI don't on some machines10:10
WimpressAlso, I have recovered the system.10:10
WimpressBut this is non-recoverable with any graphics driver loaded.10:10
seb128Laney, mozjs68 has a test failure on i386, I retried once but same error :-/10:12
LaneyI know, it was unlikely to be fixed with a retry10:13
Laneyhave been looking at it already10:13
seb128k, good :)10:13
Laneyhttps://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=162190010:13
ubot5Mozilla bug 1621900 in Untriaged "bug653153.js test fails on 32-bit x86; problems with exponential handling" [Normal,Unconfirmed]10:13
Wimpressseb128: There are three merge proposal for Ubiquity Slideshow.10:13
WimpressWill it help if I pull those into one MR?10:13
seb128Wimpress, no10:13
WimpressOK10:14
seb128Wimpress, if you want to help you can review/accept the Mps10:15
seb128Wimpress, I can do the merge/upload but I'm not going to test flavor/have a call if they look right10:15
seb128Wimpress, the other option is to just merge without testing and trusting them to not screw their own slides10:16
WimpressI can do the review.10:16
seb128thx10:16
seb128I will do the merge/upload if you ack the mps10:16
WimpressI did a live stream about updating/testing Ubiquity slideshow last night.10:16
seb128you should get real days off sometime :)10:17
WimpressCan I review my own MR? ;-)10:17
WimpressI trust me.10:17
LaneyAh, that should be the person you trust *least*!10:18
Laneywho wrote this and what was I thinking?10:18
seb128Wimpress, I'm fine review yours if you review the other ones10:19
seb128Laney, I retried libproxy/i386 autopkgtest with the right trigger, should be candidate now10:21
Laneycool10:22
Laneypoor focal :(10:22
Wimpressseb128: OK, I'll review them this evening.10:26
seb128Wimpress, thanks10:27
seb128Laney, do you know if there is a way to ask for a debian autopkgtest retry?10:28
Laneyseb128: excuses and/or ci.debian.net have retry links10:31
seb128Laney, sorry, it's not a failure, I just want to ask for a new try with what is current in unstable10:32
seb128https://ci.debian.net/packages/r/ruby-gnome/unstable/amd64/ didn't get tried yet with the new webkit2gtk10:32
seb128in fact there might be one in the queue if I read pending/ correctly10:34
seb128I guess I just need to wait then :)10:34
Laneyok10:34
seb128thx for the reply though!10:34
Laneybut no I don't know how to schedule arbitrary jobs there10:34
Laneywould be a question for #debci if you need it in future10:35
seb128ah, I didn't know they had a channel, thx10:35
seb128Laney, is that you that sponsored adwaita to Debian for Marco? if so could you gbp push the update?10:41
Laneyok10:42
Laneyping-fest10:42
seb128sorry :(10:42
seb128I will stop there :p10:42
Laneyit's ok, means work is happening10:43
seb128thanks!10:43
LaneyI needed to ask for him to push the upstream/foo tag on that one and then I guess didn't get notified or forgot to go back to it10:43
seb128Trevinho, hey, how are you? how is the dock fixing going?10:48
xnoxjibel:  hey, the disk check goes, prints results, pauses a little or longer, continues to boot.10:51
xnoxjibel:  currently pass & fail code paths are the same.10:51
xnoxjibel:  the "lvm" fail message is a bit of a red herring, i should fix that to not confuse people.10:52
jibelxnox, yeah, I think the problem is that there is no feedback while the checksum is occuring, it takes time so people swtich to another console and see this message.10:57
xnoxjibel:  but on the desktop it should be pretty10:57
jibelit is not10:57
xnoxjibel:  the text messages are not pretty10:57
xnoxjibel:  on the desktop plymouth should be painting pretty %10:57
xnoxjibel:  something has regressed, if it's not pretty, let me download new image.10:58
jibelthere is no feedback at all, no message or anything10:58
jibeljust a black screen with the dell logo, the ubuntu logo and a spinning loading icon10:58
xnoxjibel:  did somebody break plymouth theme?10:59
seb128xnox, the spînner logo maybe doesn't output thing like the ubuntu one was?10:59
xnoxseb128:  so you switched the theme, without testing installer?10:59
xnoxseb128:  great, spinner logo doesn't support any custom messages that we use in systemd-fsckd & casper. Installer image should use the ubuntu-logo splash theme10:59
seb128I guess yes11:00
xnoxseb128:  and spinner theme is not suitable for us, as is, unless we ensure fsck:* messages are supported.11:00
seb128it also means we are regressing in installed system where fsck is happening?11:00
xnoxseb128:  yes11:00
seb128Wimpress, ^11:00
xnoxseb128:  because systemd-fsckd & plymouth integration is ubuntu-only.11:00
xnoxseb128:  my system still uses ubuntu-logo => i guess my system is customized and I'm not getting stock focal experience then?11:01
seb128what does upstream do during fsck checks?11:01
xnoxseb128:  nothing11:01
seb128do they display busyness in some other way?11:01
xnoxthey don't use filesystems that need fsck11:01
seb128xnox, either that or upgrade didn't pull the new recommends11:01
xnoxseb128:  so my personal plan was to tweak ubuntu-logo theme to be "more like spinner", i.e. keep the vendor logo on screen, move the ubuntu logo down (to where gdm ubuntu logo is) and fade-in black to purple11:03
seb128xnox, wfm, the only reason I've been dealing with plymouth is that no one in foundation is actively taking care of it, but I would be happy to leave to people wanting to invest some work on getting us on a more modern look for boot splash11:04
didrocksxnox: systemd-fsckd isn’t ubuntu only, but having a plymouth theme support it is11:04
xnoxseb128:  Wimpress: what's the driver for spinner theme? cause to fix things i could port fsck messages to the spinner theme; or do something inverse, make ubuntu-logo theme behave "more like spinner"11:04
seb128xnox, nicer user experience11:05
xnoxseb128:  ack, let me play with spinner theme, to get a better feel for it.11:05
seb128especially for oem where like xps preinstalled where you have no grub menu11:05
seb128xnox, thanks!11:05
xnoxseb128:  i guess it goes from dell logo, dell logo + spinner (a little bit), gdm?11:06
seb128xnox, yes11:06
seb128dell logo + spinner + ubuntu logo at the bottom of the screen11:06
seb128to be exact11:06
xnoxseb128:  ooooh, and it's monochrome ubuntu logo11:07
xnoxhow black tie11:07
seb128yes, we got an updated logo in Frankfurt11:07
seb128xnox, also I'm about to update the spinner assets to be the yaru spinner11:08
xnoxyeah, none of casper messages got printed with fsck progress11:08
seb128frederik provided me new assets11:08
xnoxseb128:  do you have links as to how yaru spinner looks?11:08
* xnox reboots11:09
seb128xnox, https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/Feichtmeier/plymouth/-/tree/master/themes/spinner the throbber-nnn files there11:09
xnoxseb128:  it's a bit ugly with disk unlocking.11:14
seb128xnox, why? because the entry is placed to high on the screen?11:15
xnoxseb128:  in ubuntu-logo, we poppped up the type password field below the centre logo, and hid it after typing password. In spinner, it removes dell logo, pushes the entry field for password, then hides it, jumps the unlock message possition, repaints the vendor logo.11:15
xnoxseb128:  because it flickers the oem logo, instead of keeping it painted, and using the like spinner location for the entry field.11:16
seb128xnox, those are problem worth reporting upstream11:16
seb128but yeah, it could be better/get some extra polish11:16
xnoxseb128:  as per Windows guidelines the area of the oem logo is not to be used for any messages or input.11:16
xnoxseb128:  also there is flicker of the ubuntu logo. It seems like gdm "fades in" ubuntu logo on the bottom, although it is pixel perfect, it flickers a fade in of it.11:17
xnoxcause it goes from white, instant to purple, fade in purple to white ubuntu logo.11:18
xnoxseb128:  i wonder how quick it would be to make ubuntu-logo be spinner compatible. I.e. drop background painting, pop up oem logo, change ubuntu graphic, push it down => jobs done, in a non-regressive way11:19
seb128right, valid point/things we could improve if we have time/resources to look at those11:19
xnoxseb128:  it might look slightly better, if at "spinner stop" one fades out ubuntu logo in plymouth11:20
xnoxseb128:  fsckd messages support regression, imho is bad.11:20
seb128it's annoying indeed11:20
seb128could you open a bug about it?11:21
seb128we need to discuss what are our option/what we want to do11:21
xnoxseb128:  what term do you use for new & old themes? spinner & ubuntu-logo? or bgrt & ubuntu-logo?11:21
xnoxi see both in bugs =)11:22
seb128spinenr is the name of the theme11:22
seb128spinner11:22
xnoxack11:22
xnoxhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plymouth/+bug/186713011:24
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1867130 in plymouth (Ubuntu) "spinner theme doesn't support fckd progress messages" [Undecided,New]11:24
xnoxhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plymouth/+bug/186713111:29
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1867131 in plymouth (Ubuntu) "spinner theme flickers OEM logo on password entry" [Undecided,New]11:29
seb128xnox, thanks11:34
xnoxhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plymouth/+bug/186713311:35
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1867133 in plymouth (Ubuntu) "spinner theme flickers Ubuntu logo on gdm transition" [Undecided,New]11:35
seb128thx for the report, need to drop offline for a bit while relocating11:44
Saviqdidrocks: I ran out of space on my zpool… can I just destroy the zsys snapshots? is there a database I'll need to clean somewhere?11:44
didrocksSaviq: waow, already? Your snapshots were taking so much space?11:49
didrocksyeah, remove them directly for now with zfs11:49
didrockszfs destroy -r rpool@snapshot_name bpool@snapshot_name11:50
didrocksnote that snapshots take no space if you don’t have any change11:50
Saviqdidrocks: the problem is that you just never regain space…11:50
didrocksas it's a COW system11:50
Saviq(and I only have 128G atm)11:51
didrocksah, that makes sense. You can adjust the gc if your need is a small machine11:51
didrocksdropping the conf file to the right place11:52
didrocks(and yeah, we only rely on zfs state, we don’t have a separate database on purpose to avoid async issues)11:52
didrockszfs list -o space should be of help if you can print it out for our info with jibel11:53
SaviqGah… recovery is busted…11:53
didrockszfs list -o space -t snapshot11:53
didrocksalso11:53
didrocksI thought that we kept in ubuntu as root an X% space for booting11:54
SaviqNeed to boot from an external drive… we seem to lack the 5% root space… or well, it got filled with LXD11:55
SaviqOk recovered enough to boot11:58
didrocksphew, if you can paste the space commands so that we see how much is taken by snapshots, that would be helpful11:59
Saviqdidrocks: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/RWbNT6p2j3/ https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/gPnqD3Qcbj/12:07
SaviqI don't think it gives it justice… I recovered almost 50G by dropping them12:07
didrockshum. Indeed, the userdata ones are weird to not be the sum of them12:10
didrockswe’ll give it some tests12:10
SaviqI'll file a proper bug soon12:16
Saviqbut I think that we've "lost" the 5% root buffer is something quite bad12:17
jibelxnox, seb128 the shutdown to reboot message also regressed cf bug 186516113:32
ubot5bug 1865161 in casper (Ubuntu) "Written "press return to shutdown the computer" does not appear." [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186516113:32
xnoxjibel:  i somehow feel like spinner theme is not showing any messages, yet to test this with plymouth-x11 to confirm13:33
xnoxjibel:  wasn't spinner theme meant to be "non-interactive"13:33
xnoxjibel:  maybe we need like layers on the desktop iso to have "installer" layer with ubuntu-logo theme instead of the spinner one13:36
ograkenvandine, i think we can skip today, unless yuo have anything pressing (i was busy with customer stuff all week so nothing to talk about from my side)13:55
kenvandineogra: sounds good13:55
popeyis it known that today's daily takes an age to boot?13:56
popeysits at the spinner for quite a bit longer than usual13:56
jibelyes, it's the fsck without feedback13:57
popeyoh, i am not seeing the checker13:57
jibelthere is bug 1867065 and the 2 others xnox filed13:57
ubot5bug 1867065 in casper (Ubuntu) "Installer hangs at boot on machine" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186706513:57
popeyta13:58
jibelbug 186713113:58
ubot5bug 1867131 in plymouth (Ubuntu) "spinner theme flickers OEM logo on password entry" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186713113:58
jibelbug 186713013:59
ubot5bug 1867130 in plymouth (Ubuntu) "spinner theme doesn't support fckd progress messages" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186713013:59
jibelis it known that snap cannot be installed on a fresh installation of focal?14:02
jibelI get "too early for opetaion, device not yet seeded, ...."14:02
popeywe have seen that before a number of times14:03
popeyhappens in lxc containers for example if you create one, shell in, then immediately snap install something14:03
jibelthe machine has been up for more than 1 hour now14:03
jibelit's a real machine14:03
popeyoh14:03
popeya bug then14:03
jibelinstalled from today's build14:03
popey-> snap14:03
jibellivecd-rootfs bug. I thought it was fixed14:04
seb128jibel, did we just get the plymouth theme changing on the iso for some reason or has it been that way for weeks but nobody tested the iso during that timeframe?14:08
jibelweek14:12
jibelsingular14:12
jibelI just did a more intensive review this morning14:13
jibelotherwise it's automated and unnoticed14:13
seb128jibel, the seed change was done in january, that's week*s* :-) https://git.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/+git/ubuntu/commit/?id=f7e2db823114:15
jibelseb128, maybe but it's been broken after the change to enable md5check in casper which was end of february14:17
jibeluntil then it was the aubergine boot screen without a spinner14:17
seb128jibel, well, we saw that working14:18
seb128I was mostly curious to know when it stopped working14:18
seb128but I guess we don't have enough data to say/didn't do enough regular testing14:19
seb128oh well14:19
seb128we should probably find a way to force the ubuntu-logo theme on the iso14:19
seb128it's a special case with the checksum, reboot, etc14:20
seb128unless fixing the fsck case/displaying of message for spinner fixes those cases...14:20
jibelseb128, I'd say it broke within the last 2 weeks. According to https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/defaulting-to-verify-the-image-integrity-before-installing-on-desktop/13472/6 it was still the aubergine background and the checksum message was displayed14:24
popeyI tested last week and it worked14:24
jibelyeah14:24
popeysomething changed between last week and this14:24
seb128oh well14:25
seb128software14:25
jibelpopey, snap bug is https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/186425214:25
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1864252 in livecd-rootfs (Ubuntu Focal) "preseeded snap installs fail in images" [High,Fix released]14:25
jibelsame symptoms as least14:25
seb128jibel, if we only we had worked on that trello card about storing images history, we could tell what changed and when :)14:25
popeyhttps://youtu.be/YOUwdhNbHtk?t=519 - video proof of what it looked like on 1st march14:26
hellsworthgood morning desktopers14:30
seb128hey Heather, how are you today?14:31
hellsworthfeeling better. yesterday i felt a bit sick but seems it was nothing14:32
seb128oh, great that it was nothing!14:33
hellsworthyeah i was probably just being extra sensitive due to the world situation14:34
Wimpresshellsworth: Hello. How are you?14:34
hellsworthhi Wimpress !14:35
hellsworthi'm tickety boo :)14:35
WimpressYou've been spending to much time with popey  ;-)14:36
hellsworthlol14:36
didrockshey hellsworth14:41
hellsworthhi didrocks !14:41
* Laney eyes gjs/i38616:47
seb128:-(16:48
Laneydidn't we kill this arch :p16:51

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