[01:30] robert_ancell_: running a few minutes late [01:32] hey if i am on a ubuntu 20.04 daily build from a week or so ago how do i update it to the latest so i get gnome 3.36 [01:33] Jagst3r15: sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade [01:33] thnx [01:33] Jagst3r15: don't let apt uninstall anything that looks important [01:35] Jagst3r15: within the normal releases, apt's dependency solver will usually do a pretty good job; but in the development cycle, there's a lot more changes and its solver may make silly suggestions [01:40] robert_ancell_: i'm in the hangout [06:41] RAOF, out of curiosity did you see some GL build-time libraries (*.so, no soname) do missing in focal? [06:41] Mine seem to have [06:42] /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lEGL [06:42] -do +go [06:44] Hmm, something has deleted my GL *.so files. The packages are installed but the files are not. FYI tjaalton [06:45] Actually I did do a test install/remove of nvidia-340 this morning... [06:49] Yeah I blame Nvidia. Fixed: [06:49] sudo apt install --reinstall libegl-dev libegl1-mesa-dev libgl-dev libgl1-mesa-dev libgles-dev libgles2-mesa-dev libglvnd-dev libglx-dev [06:49] morning all [06:51] Morning jibel [06:53] Hi duflu [07:01] good morning desktoppers [07:07] Hi oSoMoN === pieq_ is now known as pieq [08:19] goood morning desktopers [08:19] Morning seb128 [08:19] How goes? [08:21] a bit tired, I didn't sleep great, but good otherwise [08:21] and it's friday! [08:21] Why is the password field on the lock screen way off-center? [08:21] mpt, bug [08:21] it's fixed in yaru git [08:21] just needs an upload [08:22] mpt, bug 1865563 [08:22] bug 1865563 in yaru-theme (Ubuntu) "password box not centered" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1865563 [08:22] Huh, I wouldn’t have thought Yaru could do that :-) [08:22] Thanks seb128, duflu [08:22] Yeah I was going to ask how it was possible [08:26] Gnome is weird [08:29] e.g. the lock screen has a “Power Off / Log Out” submenu … but the submenu only ever contains one item … but that item is not Power Off *or* Log Out [08:32] mpt see also https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-shell/issues/2202 [08:32] GNOME issue 2202 in gnome-shell "Add explicit "Reboot" option in dropdown (instead of a button after clicking "Power Off")" [2. Needs Design, Opened] [08:34] I'm still wondering why my laptop's password dialog centred itself in Frankfurt. And all my other machines including new installs are still off centre [08:35] duflu, I don’t have a big problem with Restart being in the Power Off dialog, but that’s not relevant to the lock screen issue, because the lock screen doesn’t have Power Off either [08:37] mpt, I don't care too much either. Although I will note part of the complication is that it goes through 'gnome-session-quit --power-off' [08:37] So not just a gnome-shell issue [08:38] I’m guessing someone thought “oh, we have to use a submenu with the same title as the one when you’re logged in”, and ended up with something totally nonsensical [08:40] Also love how to turn off Bluetooth, you open a submenu titled … “On”. And then to turn on Bluetooth, you … ah hahaha, did you think that submenu would still be there? That would be too obvious [08:41] Ok, enough grousing for one day :-) [08:42] :) [08:42] mpt, https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-shell/issues/1426 [08:42] GNOME issue 1426 in gnome-shell "Bluetooth item disappears from the integrated menu when turned off" [1. Bug, 5. Bluetooth, Opened] [08:49] To be positive, it’s good that gnome-control-center no longer has some categories hidden in “Devices” [08:51] Yes! [08:51] Also I just noticed the background selector is simpler now [08:53] arg [08:54] I just chose “Add Picture…” and the filepicker opened … maximized? but not unmaximizable … And if I try to move it, it doesn’t, but through the semi-transparent launcher I can see the Settings window moving around behind it [08:54] mpt, hmm I am running upstream gnome-shell 3.36.0 and have no such bug [08:54] that's how modal dialog behave [08:54] A little ahead of focal [08:55] duflu, is the dialog maximized for you? [08:55] well not the 'dialog behind moves with the popup' [08:55] mpt, no but it is very large [08:55] it might depend of the screen resolution [08:57] I can unmaximize it by right-clicking on the title bar, choosing “Resize”, then using the keyboard. Then it becomes resizable with the pointer. [09:01] moin [09:02] Morning Laney [09:02] Yawn. Morning desktopers o/ [09:03] hey Laney, Wimpress, how is the u.k today? [09:03] Morning Wimpress [09:03] seb128: There is an unfamiliar golden orb in the sky. [09:03] The locals feel uneasy. [09:03] duflu: o/ [09:04] seb128: I reviewed the Studio and Kylin changes for Ubiquity last night. [09:04] Feedback submitted. [09:05] Wimpress, also still in the sky here, coincidentally [09:05] Studio is good to go. Just artwork changes. [09:05] Wimpress, thanks, Kylin followed up on your review during the night, could you have another look to see if it's ok now? [09:06] Sure thing. [09:06] duflu: Careful! You'll get the flat earthers all excited 😁 [09:07] duflu, Laney, did you hear from Trevinho and the status of the dock/extensions porting for 3.36? [09:07] no but it was supposed to be 'eod' and I thought that might be after my eod :-) [09:08] seb128, Marco had fixes in progress in Frankfurt so I just assumed it would be done by now [09:08] Even the one I worked on was mostly written by him so I let him own it [09:08] right [09:08] well he said he would be done by eod [09:08] and I asked him to ping you if he's not to see if you could help during your day [09:08] looks like he didn't do that :/ [09:08] Mostly because I could not explain all his changes so could not word a commit message [09:08] disappointing :-( [09:10] I guess https://packages.qa.debian.org/g/gnome-shell-extension-appindicator/news/20200312T220419Z.html is one [09:11] looks like it [09:11] ah ok, sounds like https://launchpadlibrarian.net/468839824/buildlog_ubuntu-focal-s390x.gobject-introspection_1.64.0-1_BUILDING.txt.gz was a compiler bug! [09:12] Laney, yeah, see #ubuntu-release backlog [09:12] d_oko broke gcc :p [09:14] indeed [09:19] can haz gjs [09:19] Yes please [09:19] Well you're in luck [09:20] oh, on other news, my launchpad fix landed \o/ [09:20] first launchpad commit [09:20] nice [09:20] show me it in action! [09:20] Laney, just try to edit tags on a bug :) [09:21] it's a bit large now which doesn't look great, but at least it's usable [09:21] oh yeah [09:21] nice [09:21] Nice [09:21] hack day ftw :) [09:23] Congrats seb128 on LP fixes 👍 [09:23] Wimpress, thanks! :) [09:23] for the curious people like me, the change is here: https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/launchpad/+git/launchpad/+merge/380305 [09:24] merci seb128 :) usability modifications in LP are always appreciated :) [09:24] pieq, yw! :) [09:24] seb128, nice one! [09:25] salut oSoMoN, comment ça va ? [09:25] ça va, working from home with kids is proving challenging, but all good otherwise [09:26] Spain closed schools? [09:26] yes [09:27] fun times... [09:27] Talk of hack day. How do I nudge this along? [09:27] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1866709 [09:27] Ubuntu bug 1866709 in Ubuntu " [needs-packaging] nv-codec-headers" [Wishlist,New] [09:28] Have got agreement from FTP masters in Debian to land this upstream too. [09:29] Get it uploaded [09:29] * duflu is inspired to use the remaining 30 minutes to sanity check VAAPI in focal [09:29] Laney: To Debian? [09:29] Ideally, but your next step is to get someone to sponsor it somewhere :-) [09:30] if it's NEW you might want a separate upload to Ubuntu too [09:30] Right. I want it Ubuntu ASAP. It does just need uploading. [09:30] Who can do that? 🤔 [09:31] * Laney looks at comment #2 [09:32] * Wimpress is seeking a sponsor. [09:33] I'm saying... looks like seb12_8 already did review it [09:34] so hopefully there's your sponsor [09:34] Wimpress, Laney, sorry, I didn't upload because https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess#FeatureFreeze_for_new_packages was not clear to me [09:34] it felt a bit backward to upload before it's approved [09:35] So I need to get an ack from the release team? [09:35] nah you can [09:35] Laney, Wimpress, also we (archive-admin) try to not be uploader&reviewer, if I upload you need to find another review to NEW it then (Didier is off today) [09:35] might be easier to find a sponsor that an archive admin to NEW review [09:35] I'll update that page though, we haven't required that for ages [09:36] not that I can log in [09:41] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess?action=diff&rev2=58&rev1=57 [09:42] Laney, thanks, makes sense [09:42] Laney, can you do the upload so I can do the NEWing? [09:42] Wimpress, k, ubuntustudio slideshow changes merged, yours approved, we only you to re-review the kylin one before upload [09:43] well [09:43] if you want me to stop working on marcus's update-manager changes to review this package which you already did review [09:43] then yes I can [09:43] Laney, k, don't bother then [09:43] Wimpress, you need to find either a sponsor or a NEW reviewer, I can't do both [09:43] decide the priorities :-) [09:43] and I already did the NEW review so it makes more sense to find a sponsor [09:43] Wimpress, ^ [09:44] I've a feeling I should just don't care and upload and review my own upload :p [09:44] * seb128 ponders [09:45] I'll review Kylin Slideshow changes within the next hour. [09:45] do ittttt [09:45] Is it unusual for a snap to have version 1.0.0 when the deb is 3.1.3 (for example)? [09:45] except you know the queue will now remember that it was you :-) [09:46] :-) [09:46] duflu: Yes. [09:46] Wimpress, just noticed 'rsync' [09:46] Has the snap not been updated recently? [09:46] duflu, snap as any other package format can get outdated if nobody is updating them [09:47] Hmm, sounds like they versioned the yaml, not the software in the snap? [09:47] Looks like the snap was just never versioned correctly [09:49] Wimpress, nv-codec-headers sponsored/NEWed [09:52] kenvandine, https://launchpadlibrarian.net/468814360/buildlog_snap_ubuntu_bionic_amd64_gnome-3-34-1804-sdk_BUILDING.txt.gz in case you didn't notice [09:52] ERROR: Program(s) ['wget'] not found or not executable [09:53] kenvandine, also https://launchpadlibrarian.net/468793367/buildlog_snap_ubuntu_bionic_amd64_snap-store-packagekit_BUILDING.txt.gz [09:54] seb128, it looks like Marco has been trying to upstream dock changes for a few weeks: https://github.com/micheleg/dash-to-dock/pull/1097 [09:54] micheleg issue (Pull request) 1097 in dash-to-dock "Gnome 3.36 support" [Open] [09:54] seb128: Thank you. First beer on me next time we meet 👍 [09:55] Wimpress, :-) [09:57] duflu, right, well we can at least update ubuntu-dock [09:57] seb128, it also looks like that's already done for the ubuntu-dock branch [09:57] he also replied to me on telegram now [09:57] he said dock should be ok now [09:58] * duflu clicks refresh and still sees no changes in 14 days [09:59] so I wonder what "ok now" means, and where [09:59] I guess it means he has a working codebase locally... [10:00] Still missing a fix for bug 1865865 at least [10:00] bug 1865865 in gnome-shell-extension-ubuntu-dock (Ubuntu) "Icon spring animation starts/ends in the wrong location (near the top of the dock) " [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1865865 [10:00] But that's the one where I could not explain all his changes so would prefer he documented and committed that fix [10:01] If need be I can revive it from my laptop on Monday but hopefully won't need to by then [10:02] he said he would be done today, hopefully that's true [10:02] I also told him to get on IRC! [10:02] seb128, is it safe to EOW? [10:02] duflu, yes [10:02] duflu, enjoy the W.E! [10:04] Alright. Catch you later [10:12] yeah I guess it would have been better for this review to have happened while Marcus was still around :-) [10:12] * Laney has Questions [10:19] seb128: Slide Show MR for Kylin is now good. [10:25] Wimpress, thanks! [10:37] seb128: yeah, i fixed gnome-3-34-1804-sdk yesterday [10:39] snap-store also built yesterday, but only builds for amd64 because it snapcraft is being pulled from a branch that is amd64 [11:26] jibel: hey, I've trouble with zsys… I had to clear the snapshots b/c I ran out of space… now I don't have any Ubuntu entries in grub… [11:27] Got any pointers? [11:44] jibel: OK the problem was /boot/{efi,grub} got created, probably due to me booting in recovery mode - so /boot wasn't getting mounted - I wonder if we can force /boot to mount even if non-empty? [11:44] or warn/error out? [11:44] * Saviq files a couple bugs [11:46] hmmmmmm [11:47] is it ok for update-manager to cause polkit prompts? [11:47] for aptdaemon we have overrides in pk-d-p to let update-manager work but not for snapd ... [11:48] seb128: kenvandine: [11:50] Saviq, is there any error when you run sudo update-grub ? [11:51] Laney: hmmm [11:51] i don't know [11:53] jibel: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Fjyy2ZC6MP/ - when /boot wasn't mounted (b/c of the /boot/{efi,grub} folders existing on the root subvol), it printed the same warnings, but then (obviously) couldn't find any Linuxes [11:54] jibel: hmm actually it looks like I'm getting into that state on every boot [11:59] * Saviq cleared all snapshots and tries to reboot [12:02] also how is update-manager triggered to automatically open? [12:02] I want to check that path too [12:06] it's been put after 'update' but before 'install' and I'm not sure that's the right order either [12:43] Saviq, can you file a bug, it'll be easier to gather information and understand what's going on than on irc. [12:43] jibel: yeah doing that now [12:44] thank you [12:52] jibel: https://github.com/ubuntu/zsys/issues/60 [12:52] ubuntu issue 60 in zsys "Missing all Ubuntu entries from GRUB (`bpool` not imported due to `/boot` not empty)" [Open] [12:56] seb128: kenvandine: ok, well I reviewed it: https://code.launchpad.net/~marcustomlinson/update-manager/update-manager/+merge/380060 [12:56] does need some work imho, not sure if we should wait for Marcus to be back or what [12:57] Laney: thanks. Marcus said he thought you would handle any additional changes that was needed [12:58] well yeah ... [13:01] but this is a bit more significant than I might have expected when making such a rash statement [13:03] kenvandine, ack [13:04] jibel: and https://github.com/ubuntu/zsys/issues/60 [13:04] ubuntu issue 60 in zsys "Missing all Ubuntu entries from GRUB (`bpool` not imported due to `/boot` not empty)" [Open] [13:05] https://github.com/ubuntu/zsys/issues/61 rather [13:05] ubuntu issue 61 in zsys "Ran out of space (couldn't even boot)" [Open] [13:05] Laney, it's probably best if the polkit behaviour of asking/not asking if consistent with what we have, so yeah havinbg overrides seems to make sense [13:06] but then I guess it means anyone can snap install / remove / ... anything [13:07] which is not the case with apt, the override is for aptdaemon only [13:07] well, any admin at the console ... [13:07] could be ok... [13:09] hum [13:09] at the same time it's not a codepath users are going to hit every day, it would just ask for the password when some changes are neded right? [13:10] right [13:10] so it's probably fine to ask that one time... [13:10] but it's kind of random [13:10] I dunno, perhaps it's ok if it happens at the end of an update run [13:12] Wimpress, ^ do you have an opinion on that? [13:12] Laney, I think it's good enough personally, not great but we have to do with the resources we have and it's only a small annoyance/weidness [13:13] that's kind of a side fix anyway [13:13] either way it needs some work as I outlined in the mr [13:14] right [13:14] question is whether to wait for Marcus and do that in a week or do it now and someone else slides their work a day or two [13:17] I would say to wait for next week at this point and see once we are over GNOME 3.36 landing and some other ongoing work [13:17] we can discuss it on monday in the catchup call [13:18] sorry, in a meeting [13:18] lets talk about it monday [13:19] ok [13:20] also bear in mind that this was kind of meant to support people on the dev release :p [13:20] guess it does have ongoing value tho [13:20] e.g. switches made via sru [14:04] * Wimpress reads the backlog... [14:30] kenvandine, did you see https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/snap-store/+git/snap-store/+merge/380672 ? [14:30] Wimpress, slideshow package uploaded [14:30] seb128: not yet [14:31] snap-store is a mirror from gitlab [14:31] oh, it's not obvious from launchpad :p [14:31] i know [14:31] sorry [14:31] https://gitlab.gnome.org/Community/Ubuntu/gnome-software [14:41] kenvandine, edit the description on https://launchpad.net/snap-store to mention that maybe? [14:41] seb128: good idea [14:41] oSoMoN, kenvandine, you guys don't feel like doing one or two GNOME updates/merges today? [14:41] * seb128 feels alone [14:41] I spent my week on it, it's a bit depressing at this point, would be nice to be done for eow [14:42] seb128, absolutely, sorry I didn't get to it earlier… I could use some context switching for the afternoon, for a change :) [14:42] oSoMoN, thanks! [14:42] seb128, what are the most pressing updates? [14:42] oSoMoN, https://trello.com/b/z29JJK3q/gnome-336 [14:43] but basically seahorse/tracker/librsvg [14:43] which you already handled recently so should be easy enough [14:43] otherwise vte/g-t merges [14:43] ok, I'll take those three [14:43] (seahorse/tracker/librsvg) [14:43] oSoMoN, great, thanks a lot! [14:59] seb128: let me give it a swing :) [15:00] kenvandine, thanks! [15:00] seb128: did you see i uploaded the recommends change in packagekit? [15:00] i need to do the ubuntu-meta upload [15:00] which i'm going to do next [15:01] right [15:02] I should add the provides to both ubuntu-desktop and ubuntu-desktop-minimal right? [15:05] seb128: ^^ [15:06] kenvandine, did we have gnome-software in minimal? [15:06] i think so [15:06] so yes [15:25] good morning desktopers [15:25] mornin' hellsworth [15:26] hi oSoMoN ! [15:35] kenvandine: why both? [15:36] hope these deltas are going to be forwarded ;-) [15:38] yeah, seb128 and i talked about adding the recommends change in packagekit to debian [15:41] right, and gst-good will need updating in the same way [15:42] in terms of ubuntu-meta I think just having it from -minimal would be enough since ubuntu-desktop has a Depends there [15:57] Marcus basically pushed back on all of my review comments [15:57] Perhaps someone else would like to take it over from here? [15:58] kenvandine, ^ [16:00] he shouldn't be responding to anything right now :) [16:01] was a bit surprised to see that! [16:02] if i understand correctly [16:02] he's doing the transition before the user actually clicks on anything? [16:02] update -> transition -> (deb) upgrade [16:02] indeed there is no UI in there [16:02] where update is updating the apt cache? [16:03] yes [16:03] ok [16:03] that feels wrong [16:03] the user should click the button before we actually alter what's installed [16:03] i understand why he did that... but it feels wrong [16:04] I comment on the MP about that [16:04] I agree it feels wrong, imho those who decide to close the tool and do command line can also decide what they want between snap and deb and do the install/remove themselve [16:06] oh [16:06] i commented as well :) [16:08] at least everyone's in agreement :p [16:09] but I don't really want to have to argue about the other details [16:09] if someone wants to be more loose than me it would be great for them to take over the review :/ [16:12] I really don't know enough about it to review [16:14] like why it's better to catch the exceptions you need rather than everything, or why you might prefer to avoid threading in favour of using libraries ... [16:14] meh [16:16] we should get foundations to review the merge, they own update-manager [16:21] that's fine, but I would also be happy for us to own reviewing / uploading features we are driving [16:21] I'm just less fine with being a reviewer if it's a high friction process [16:21] but it might just be me so I am happy to step aside ... [16:22] Laney, right, I understand that and it's fair enough if you want to step aside and avoid arguments [16:22] it's friday afternoon, let's all rest and see on monday what we do next === vkareh_ is now known as vkareh [16:35] ok [16:35] goooooooooood attitude [16:44] Laney, when pristine-tar diverged between us and Debian what's the right way to fix it? merge the debian one in launchpad and then in salsa merge back that one? [16:44] so we can pull again next time [16:44] checkout the debian side, git merge -s ours lp/pristine-tar; git push salsa pristine-tar; git push lp pristine-tar [16:44] thanks [16:50] * Laney should have been sassy and said finish the salsa migration :> [16:51] #returnofthefridaytroll [16:56] :-) [17:01] kenvandine, let me know if https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/evince/-/merge_requests/229 makes sense [17:03] eek [17:08] oSoMoN, can you push upstream/latest and pristine-tar? [17:08] for librsvg and seahorse [17:08] seb128, doing [17:11] seb128, done [17:12] (for tracker and tracker-miners too) [17:13] oSoMoN, thanks [17:13] (I didn't look at those yet/might not get to them today) [17:23] seb128, what would be the next priority, in case I feel like doing updates later in the evening? anything from the TODO column? [17:24] oSoMoN, no real priority, gsettings-desktop-schemas and orca merges should be easy enough and you have upload rights [17:24] ack [17:24] otherwise anything you feel like doing [17:24] but you should call it a week, it's friday evening! [17:25] yeah, I probably will, but the morning was frustratingly unproductive, so I feel like getting stuff done :) [17:27] :-) [17:27] on that note time for me to do some evening/pre-diner activities [17:27] have a nice w.e desktopers! [17:27] bye! [17:30] have a good one! [18:28] have a good week-end everyone! [19:01] @hellsworth gnome-3-34-1804{,-sdk} has been published to stable [19:01] @hellsworth from here on out let's not push any local builds to the store [19:01] only the LP builds [19:31] sounds good to me! [19:31] and only official LP builds i assume? [19:31] (which i do not have perms to trigger) [19:31] kenvandine: ^ [19:32] hellsworth: yup [19:32] sorry :) [19:32] it will automatically build though [19:33] after the mirror updates [19:33] ok [19:56] ricotz: Hi, With newer vala hud is failing to compile with dee...error: construct properties not supported for specified property type... Can you take a look ? [19:56] ricotz: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/468894644/buildlog_ubuntu-focal-amd64.hud_14.10+17.10.20170619-0ubuntu3_BUILDING.txt.gz [20:01] k_alam, hi, try to add --pkg dee-1.0 to the vapigen call [20:03] k_alam, like https://paste.debian.net/plain/1134842 [20:05] k_alam, the built binding should be named "hud-${API_VERSION}.vapi" [20:05] it is suppose to match the pkg-config filename [20:07] It seems Ubuntu's dee source has it's own dee-1.0.vapi....but I will try this fix... [20:08] ricotz: Thanks [20:09] k_alam, yes, and this already existing dee-1.0.vapi should be used