| Chipaca | goood morning peeps | 09:17 |
|---|---|---|
| niemeyer | Gooooood day :) | 09:46 |
| Chipaca | niemeyer: ｇｏｏｏｏｏｏｏｏｏｏｏｏｏｏｏｏｏｏｏｏｏｏｏｏｏｏｏｏｏｏｏｏｏｄ ｍｏｒｎｉｎｇ！ | 10:50 |
| Dmitrii-Sh | https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/11323 - "pod spec" becomes "k8s spec" | 10:56 |
| Chipaca | nice | 10:57 |
| Dmitrii-Sh | I think "pod spec" was a confusing term because it wasn't just about pods | 10:57 |
| Facu | Muy buenos días a todos! | 10:57 |
| Chipaca | Facu: buen día! no tennis today, right? | 10:57 |
| Facu | hola Chipaca! nop, I'm quarantined | 10:58 |
| Chipaca | ok | 10:58 |
| Chipaca | Dmitrii-Sh: Facu: can we have a meet in ~15 minutes? | 10:58 |
| Facu | Chipaca, sure | 10:58 |
| Dmitrii-Sh | ack | 10:59 |
| Chipaca | i've got my manager hat on so beware :-) | 10:59 |
| Facu | Chipaca, niemeyer, I started this https://docs.google.com/document/d/12dha4GkmjWusAN6cMMZsQKKK-qfpVrvPFw6PRX0wUNA/edit# (so we can collect requirements or discussion items for when we actually talk/decide this) | 11:13 |
| Facu | Chipaca, I'm ready now! Room 57? ( https://meet.google.com/veq-yfqm-kdk ) | 11:14 |
| Chipaca | Facu: sure | 11:16 |
| Chipaca | Dmitrii-Sh: ^^ | 11:16 |
| Facu | Chipaca, we're there | 11:16 |
| Chipaca | jam: 👋 | 12:21 |
| jam | Chipaca: Is that the hand-washing emote? | 12:21 |
| Chipaca | jam: no clearly that's 👐 | 12:22 |
| Chipaca | or maybe 👏 | 12:22 |
| Chipaca | jam: i was pinging you because i'm (experimentally) changing how our standups work | 12:23 |
| Chipaca | niemeyer: ^ you too, probably, at least for now :-) | 12:23 |
| Chipaca | jam: there'll be a google doc where you write what you worked on (and maybe what you're hoping to get to); this needs to be written before the standup itself | 12:23 |
| Chipaca | then at the standup you just call out things that bring up questions, or blockers, or just highlights; the team reads the standup doc after the meeting to catch up with the rest of the detail | 12:24 |
| Chipaca | jam: this serves three purposes | 12:24 |
| Chipaca | jam: 1. focus and shorten the standups themselves | 12:25 |
| Chipaca | jam: 2. feed into a weekly 'whattup with chamrcraft' email | 12:25 |
| Chipaca | jam: 3. make it less hypercritical to have the standups such that everybody can make them every day | 12:25 |
| Chipaca | jam: hopefully this makes sense to you | 12:26 |
| jam | Chipaca: and a google doc vs a trello/kanban/discourse/something else? | 12:26 |
| Chipaca | jam: a trello exists but it's less detailed than this, yes | 12:26 |
| jam | Chipaca: I'm fine with it, just have gotten used to other project managementy tools. | 12:26 |
| Chipaca | our trello: https://trello.com/b/SGgb8v0h/charmcraft | 12:27 |
| jam | Chipaca: the google doc that I see linked above is https://docs.google.com/document/d/12dha4GkmjWusAN6cMMZsQKKK-qfpVrvPFw6PRX0wUNA/edit which points to "Charm Tool Spec" is there a different doc that I missed? | 12:27 |
| Chipaca | still nascent, i should add | 12:27 |
| Chipaca | the standup doc is a different one | 12:27 |
| Chipaca | Facu: Dmitrii-Sh: jam: niemeyer: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sJQ5-OtK83x2KdePZfp1AC_3FQJrvzXaWFEc_n-4vxY/edit# | 12:27 |
| Chipaca | Facu: Dmitrii-Sh: if you could read what i just told jam to double-check it (1) matches what we discussed, and (2) i didn't forget anything please :-) | 12:28 |
| Chipaca | jam: the trello will have doing/.../done lanes but does not have them yet fwiw | 12:28 |
| Facu | Chipaca, looks fine | 12:29 |
| Chipaca | jam: i'm still thinking about how best to keep track of some of the things, as quite a bit of at least outreach / library work is not a flow of work | 12:30 |
| Chipaca | jam: i also brought forward the standup half an hour fwiw (so we won't have Facu on Mondays once quarantine is up, but otherwise should work for all) | 12:31 |
| jam | Chipaca: everyone is away on Friday? What party day is this? :) | 12:32 |
| Chipaca | jam: the feast of St. Arnold of Soissons (patron saint of beer) | 12:33 |
| Facu | I *may* work on Friday, if PyCamp is cancelled here | 12:33 |
| Chipaca | jam: i asked for holiday because i was going to run in lisbon :'( | 12:33 |
| Facu | Chipaca, run in lisbon? | 12:34 |
| Chipaca | Facu: lisboa meia maratona | 12:35 |
| jam | Wikipedia says the Feast is August 14, are you just trying to get a day of for extra beer? :) | 12:35 |
| Facu | oh | 12:35 |
| jam | Chipaca: you were running from Friday through Monday? That is true dedication | 12:35 |
| Chipaca | well, some tourism was also planned | 12:36 |
| Chipaca | jam: wrt the feast, maybe we're observing it on the orthodox calendar | 12:37 |
| jam | Chipaca: I thought you were just running to Lisbon and back. | 12:37 |
| jam | https://www.google.com/maps/dir/London,+UK/Lisbon,+Portugal/@44.7763435,-13.6239022,5z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m14!4m13!1m5!1m1!1s0x47d8a00baf21de75:0x52963a5addd52a99!2m2!1d-0.1277583!2d51.5073509!1m5!1m1!1s0xd19331a61e4f33b:0x400ebbde49036d0!2m2!1d-9.1393366!2d38.7222524!3e2 | 12:38 |
| jam | says its about 375hrs | 12:38 |
| jam | but you're running, not walking, right? | 12:38 |
| jam | Chipaca: I also don't have edit rights to the doc where you want me writing what I've been up to :) | 12:57 |
| Chipaca | fixing... | 12:57 |
| Chipaca | jam: please reload | 12:57 |
| jam | Chipaca: fixed. thanks. Is the intent to have 10min standups/ break other discussions out of it? | 13:02 |
| Chipaca | jam: that route cheats because it puts you on a ferry, that's non-canon | 13:04 |
| Chipaca | jam: i am not too religious about it, in that i'm ok with a little discussion happening in the standup, but as soon as it gets rambly yes it should break out | 13:04 |
| Chipaca | jam: some research is still needed on the subject of pontoon running shoes | 13:07 |
| Chipaca | and at what point are you just standing on a boat | 13:07 |
| jam | Chipaca: when you hook up outboard motors on the back ? | 13:07 |
| Chipaca | jam: maybe it should be a venetian bicycle and call it a biathlon | 13:09 |
| Chipaca | or, swimming, but i suck at swimming | 13:09 |
| * Chipaca also sucks at running | 13:09 | |
| Chipaca | ignore that last comment, it was from my knee | 13:09 |
| Facu | Chipaca, can not edit the doc | 13:18 |
| Chipaca | Facu: reload? | 13:18 |
| Chipaca | Facu: or use your canonical acct | 13:18 |
| Facu | Chipaca, reloaded, thanks | 13:19 |
| Chipaca | Facu: also, https://artsandculture.google.com/asset/among-the-sierra-nevada-california/IQE1CY9y_Rfy5A | 13:19 |
| Facu | Chipaca, nice! the author removed the AT-AT! :p | 13:20 |
| Chipaca | Facu: it was shrouded by the revisionists | 13:23 |
| Facu | jeje | 13:23 |
| Chipaca | jam: standup? | 13:31 |
| jam | yep, just getting out of my last one | 13:31 |
| Chipaca | 10 events, sitting in a queue | 13:59 |
| Chipaca | we're getting better! that was only double the lenght it should've bene :-| | 14:29 |
| Chipaca | been* | 14:29 |
| niemeyer | Sorry... /o\ | 14:29 |
| Chipaca | niemeyer: we'll get there :-) | 14:31 |
| Facu | niemeyer, where do you propose to start piling examples? (my only suggestion is that this shouldn't be too public, so far, until we have some APIs more stable) | 14:37 |
| niemeyer | Facu: Best thing I can think of right now is a repository under canonical/ with "examples" or "samples" as part of the name, and one example per subdir | 14:38 |
| niemeyer | Facu: WE might then take PRs on that | 14:38 |
| niemeyer | Facu: That's just one idea though | 14:38 |
| Facu | niemeyer, ack | 14:39 |
| Chipaca | niemeyer: Facu: how about an 'examples' branch in operator itself? | 14:52 |
| Chipaca | Dmitrii-Sh: WRT gnuoy and the ceph-iscsi charm, what he needs is a check that he's using the framework in a sensible way (and not a line-by-line python code review) | 14:55 |
| Dmitrii-Sh | ok | 14:56 |
| Chipaca | niemeyer: how're you for meetings? can i make your life worse in that sense | 14:57 |
| niemeyer | Chipaca: On a call but can do shortly | 15:11 |
| * Facu -> lunch | 15:21 | |
| Dmitrii-Sh | Facu: does that right any bell? | 16:14 |
| Dmitrii-Sh | charm push ./ cs:~dmitriis/nats | 16:14 |
| Dmitrii-Sh | ERROR cannot post archive: cannot put archive blob: failed to PUT object 3701adfe8af7ba58-3c2ab4da9ad292fc from container charmstore-blobs | 16:14 |
| Dmitrii-Sh | caused by: failed executing the request http://10.24.0.23:8080/v1/AUTH_acf64c68bc7349c98dec46b7e0e72d9f/charmstore-blobs/3701adfe8af7ba58-3c2ab4da9ad292fc | 16:14 |
| Dmitrii-Sh | caused by: Put http://10.24.0.23:8080/v1/AUTH_acf64c68bc7349c98dec46b7e0e72d9f/charmstore-blobs/3701adfe8af7ba58-3c2ab4da9ad292fc: read tcp 10.25.10.42:51284->10.24.0.23:8080: read: connection reset by peer | 16:14 |
| Dmitrii-Sh | It succeeded after I retried | 16:15 |
| Facu | Dmitrii-Sh, let me see | 16:15 |
| Facu | Dmitrii-Sh, no clue anyway... that's the old charmstore? | 16:16 |
| Dmitrii-Sh | yes | 16:16 |
| Facu | ah, don't know much about its infrastructure | 16:21 |
| Facu | sorry | 16:21 |
| Dmitrii-Sh | Chipaca: Apparently, there is no way to install and disable a snap. So the race condition I was after was because of the following sequence: | 16:22 |
| Dmitrii-Sh | 1) snap got installed; | 16:22 |
| Dmitrii-Sh | 2) systemd service start attempts by snapd followed that before a config was rendered by a charm; | 16:22 |
| Dmitrii-Sh | 3) the charm then rendered the config but a `systemctl service start <service>` made by it then failed once. It then succeeded on a retry. | 16:22 |
| Dmitrii-Sh | Facu: ok, np | 16:23 |
| Chipaca | Dmitrii-Sh: i'm not sure i understand what you mean | 16:24 |
| Chipaca | Dmitrii-Sh: snaps can ship services that are disabled until they are configured | 16:24 |
| Chipaca | Dmitrii-Sh: snap services can be disabled after installing the snap, but there is no way to say 'install this but disable the services' | 16:24 |
| Chipaca | maybe that's what you mean | 16:25 |
| Chipaca | Dmitrii-Sh: what is the snap? | 16:25 |
| Dmitrii-Sh | Chipaca: yes, maybe this is a bug of a particular snap - services shouldn't be started before a config is supplied from an external entity (the charm in this case). | 16:25 |
| Dmitrii-Sh | and, yes, there's no 'install --disable' | 16:26 |
| Chipaca | Dmitrii-Sh: as a blanket assertion that is false | 16:26 |
| Chipaca | "services shouldn't be started before a config is supplied" is false, i mean, in general | 16:26 |
| Dmitrii-Sh | Chipaca: it's the nats snap created by the Anbox team | 16:26 |
| Chipaca | it is perfectly possible to ship a service that works without a config | 16:26 |
| Chipaca | if it does need a config, then its install hook should disable the services until that config is provided | 16:26 |
| Chipaca | easy to do | 16:27 |
| Dmitrii-Sh | Chipaca: yes, in this particular case it didn't make sense to start it before config is available. | 16:27 |
| Dmitrii-Sh | and the fix was to do snap stop nats --disable on install | 16:27 |
| Dmitrii-Sh | and then start --enable after the config was renderd | 16:27 |
| Dmitrii-Sh | rendered* | 16:27 |
| Chipaca | Dmitrii-Sh: the real fix is for the snap's install hook to do 'snapctl stop --disable' itself | 16:30 |
| Dmitrii-Sh | ok, I'll suggest that to Simon | 16:37 |
| Facu | Chipaca, do we want or not to have copyright header in otherwise empty files? (`__init__.py`) | 16:43 |
| Chipaca | Facu: nope | 16:43 |
| Facu | ack | 16:43 |
| Chipaca | Facu: that's why the previous checker explicitly ignored empty files | 16:43 |
| Facu | -not -empty | 16:43 |
| Facu | nice | 16:43 |
| Facu | `find` is so complex | 16:44 |
| Chipaca | tbf the -type f should be the first predicate, but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | 16:44 |
| niemeyer | Chipaca: SOrry, left one to join another.. I'm available now.. how're things there? | 16:55 |
| Dmitrii-Sh | Got another person asking me about how to easily retrieve pod fqdns and expose them to a different app without relying on ingress-address == cluster-ip https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju/+bug/1867168 | 17:43 |
| Dmitrii-Sh | seems like this will be a common theme for stateful apps that use headless services in K8s https://kubernetes.io/docs/concepts/services-networking/service/#headless-services | 17:43 |
| Facu | Moved all tests to unit tests, removed Makefile, improved README for dependencies and how to test: https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/184 | 18:06 |
| Chipaca | niemeyer: and I'd stepped out to get some sunlight | 18:07 |
| Chipaca | niemeyer: i need to get dinner started, but it's not a 100%-of-my-concentration thing once i've kicked it off so we can probably chat while i do it, if that works for you -- ping me on signal or tg if it works for you too | 18:09 |
| * Chipaca will probably be able to work fine with 9 fingers after all | 18:09 | |
| niemeyer | Chipaca: Sounds dangerous :) | 18:11 |
| niemeyer | We can do it tomorrow | 18:11 |
| Facu | if I do juju status, I see for postgresql/0: Workload=active Agent=idle | 19:13 |
| Facu | for my-super-charm the Agent is also idle, but the Workload is in "unknown" state... is this ok? there's something charm side that should change that? | 19:14 |
| * Facu eods | 20:36 | |
| Chipaca | Facu: 👋 | 20:36 |
| Chipaca | Facu: have a good one | 20:36 |
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