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[02:49] <nova> brainwash: I'm trying your suggestion of using a profile (for my display issue).  I had already saved a profile but I also had disabled monitor detection on that same dialog, which also disabled automatic profile loading.  I had hoped that just disabling detection would work.
[04:33] <max12345> hey all, my laptop locks my screen after some time
[04:34] <max12345> I don't want that, I have screensaver off, the power management set to do nothing when plugged in, yet it still happens. what do?
[08:44] <Hamilton> Should I install xubuntu or ubuntu+xfce? I plan to use i3wm. I want a usual dev environment for embedded, node, ...I want the least heacdache setup
[08:58] <Fernando-Basso[m> Hamilton: I would go with Xubuntu. It has all the stuff you need to get going, and doesn't suck like the other option you mentioned.
[08:59] <Hamilton> Fernando-Basso[m, I have a few apps that may be dependent on gtk3...I mean I just can install it on xubuntu, yeah?
[08:59] <Fernando-Basso[m> Hamilton: Unless you want to go a little more hardcore. If you are not going to use Xfce, then you could try Arch Linux instead, install  the minimal command line system, and go from there.
[09:00] <Hamilton> Fernando-Basso[m, no I don't want to mess with too many things...
[09:00] <Fernando-Basso[m> Hamilton: I have been using Arch Linux for about 10 years. Used with Openbox, then later ended up with Xfce. Not sure how are the ubuntu packages for i3wm. But I would bet you would face no major problems.
[09:01] <Hamilton> About xubuntu, since Ubuntu is more popular, deos it mean that setup process, boot stuff and other headachy stuff is better handled in Ubuntu?
[09:01] <brainwash> Hamilton: it's exactly the same
[09:01] <Fernando-Basso[m> I don't think so. The installation stuff is the same.
[09:01] <Hamilton> good
[09:02] <Fernando-Basso[m> Anyway, Xubuntu is the distro I most recommend this days.
[09:02] <Fernando-Basso[m> Xfce itself is very configurable.
[09:03] <Hamilton> I have ubuntu+xfce on another machine. It is perfect. I even mapped arrow keys to snap the windows left and right but it would not be similar to i3wm...
[09:04] <Fernando-Basso[m> Cool. Just go with i3wm then. I myself used Xmonad for about 6 months years ago.
[09:04] <Fernando-Basso[m> But I eventually ended up preferring the simpler and more traditional stuff, therefore, Xfce.
[09:05] <Hamilton> Fernando-Basso[m, why you returned from tilings? I don't have experience with tilings but all kool kidz these days rock i3, dwm,...
[09:05] <Fernando-Basso[m> For me, it is simple, but very configurable, and it has several plugins I find useful.
[09:06] <Fernando-Basso[m> Hamilton: I don't know exactly. I think I lost too much time with Haskell attempting config stuff in Xmonad, and and ended up just preferring the (subjectively) easier life of a traditional desktop, with a panel, a tray, and the likes.
[09:07] <Hamilton> I briefly tested Xubuntu 18 on a flash...the scaling seemed a bit off...there is a option to fix it right?
[09:07] <brainwash> Hamilton the cool kids already moved on to wayland based wms
[09:07] <Hamilton> Screen is FHD btw
[09:08] <Fernando-Basso[m> Hamilton: I have used vim for about 12 years. It is amazing, but sometimes it is so much easier to just grab the mouse and click here and there. I guess I felt something similar with Xmonad. Cool, we can use only the keyboard (if we want) to deal with windows and panes, but I felt a little tired of it after some time.
[09:08] <brainwash> Xfce 4.14 has scaling (x2)
[09:08] <Fernando-Basso[m> I still use vim daily, but not as much as until about two years ago.
[09:08] <Fernando-Basso[m> brainwash: What is that?
[09:09] <brainwash> scaling?
[09:09] <Fernando-Basso[m> Yeah, in the sense of Xfce.
[09:09] <Fernando-Basso[m> What does it do for the users?
[09:10] <brainwash> it scales windows to be bigger
[09:10] <brainwash> the whole window
[09:10] <brainwash> not only fonts
[09:11] <brainwash> "Go to Settings Manager > Appearance > Settings > Window Scaling and select 2 as the scaling factor."
[09:13] <Fernando-Basso[m> Wow! Cool. I didn't seen anything becoming pixelated!
[09:13] <Fernando-Basso[m> s/seen/see/
[09:14] <brainwash> not yet :P
[09:14] <Fernando-Basso[m> One thing I miss in Xfce is the ability to animate the cursor to call attention to something when I am teaching or explaining stuff.
[09:15] <Fernando-Basso[m> Also, I love that thing people do on Mac that the part under discussion on the screen can be make bigger, like if they were using a magnifying glass.
[09:15] <brainwash> there is a little program (or command?) to find the mouse cursor on the screen
[09:15] <brainwash> to easily locate it
[09:15] <Fernando-Basso[m> Don't know about then.
[09:16] <brainwash> xfwm4 has the zoom-in feature
[09:16] <brainwash> it zooms into the whole visible area
[09:16] <Fernando-Basso[m> yeah, but it zooms in the entire screen.
[09:16] <Hamilton> Fernando-Basso[m, Windows has 125% to 200% in steps of 25%. Xfce only has 200%? or can it be changed?
[09:17] <Fernando-Basso[m> Hamilton: I'm not sure. I guess it has to do with the video driver, or something like that.
[09:17] <brainwash> Hamilton: it cannot do fractional scaling, but there is a "hack"
[09:17] <Fernando-Basso[m> brainwash is the person who knows the stuff around here :)
[09:18] <brainwash> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/HiDPI#Xorg
[09:19] <Fernando-Basso[m> > there is a little program (or command?) to find the mouse cursor on the screen
[09:20] <Fernando-Basso[m> Do you know the name if such program?
[09:21] <brainwash> /usr/bin/xfce4-find-cursor
[09:23] <Fernando-Basso[m> Cool! Already set it to a keyboard shortcut. Thanks brainwash !
[09:26] <Fernando-Basso[m> There are magnifying glass options. xmag, kmag, gnome-mag, and others, it seems.
[09:29] <brainwash> right :D
[09:35] <Fernando-Basso[m> And none work :D
[10:17] <bodicceaII> I have an issue with printing a pdf (from atril). The document is 1 page, A4, and I would like to print 4xA6 this page on a single A4 page. In print menu, I changed "Page Setup"/"Pages per side" to 4. It did print only the top-left page. Well... I try to print 4 times the document, I got 4 A4 pages, with also only the top-left A6 document on each page. Any idea ?
[10:19] <bodicceaII> An alternative would be able to print page 4 times, if I could select the A6 destination part on the A4 page, but I did not see such option.
[13:26] <bodicceaII> Well, I copied the text in libreoffice, and duplicated it 4 times, something is missing, having to go the hard way :(
[15:23] <xubuntu68w> hi! I have recently switched to Xubuntu 19.10 (from 18.04). I noticed that, usually once per day, while typing on moving the mouse I abruptly get logged out from my X session and return to the user login screen. Does that ring a bell for a potential problem? I don't see something in `dmesg` There is activity in syslog but I am not sure if this is
[15:23] <xubuntu68w> before the problem or after I login again https://gist.github.com/vkatsikaros/671e088e92a3a53e3a5e6d08e7ed925a
[15:25] <diogenes_> xubuntu68w, it might indicate a session crash.
[15:26] <xubuntu68w> diogenes_ thanks! is there a way to collect more information to find out what happened? It seems to be happening once per day, almost every day
[15:27] <diogenes_> xubuntu68w, look in xorg logs and .xsession-errors.
[15:35] <xubuntu68w> I see a .xsession-errors and .xsession-errors.old The .old was last accessed when the crash occurred the latest lines are in https://gist.github.com/vkatsikaros/671e088e92a3a53e3a5e6d08e7ed925a#file-xsession-errors-old
[15:35] <xubuntu68w> stupid question, where can I find the xorg logs?
[15:38] <diogenes_> cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[15:40] <xubuntu68w> ah thanks! followup stupid question. I see the timestamps? are from [ 19823.845] to [ 19832.881] in the Xorg.0.log. What is the format of these timestamps and can I convert them to GMT or local time?
[15:41] <gnrp> xubuntu68w: That's the time in seconds after boot
[15:43] <gnrp> in /var/log/kern.log you will find both times at once (maybe there is a better way though)
[15:43] <xubuntu68w> ah ok thanks!
[15:44] <xubuntu68w> In case you notice something interesting, I see this in the Xorg log https://gist.github.com/vkatsikaros/671e088e92a3a53e3a5e6d08e7ed925a#file-xorg-0-log Again I am unsure if this is after or before the session crashed
[15:46] <xubuntu68w> I also added the last lines from the old Xorg log https://gist.github.com/vkatsikaros/671e088e92a3a53e3a5e6d08e7ed925a#file-xorg-0-log-old but they seem to go only 40 seconds after boot
[16:16] <brainwash> xubuntu68w: could it be caused by firefox?
[16:25] <xubuntu68w> brainwash I use browsers a lot :P firefox more than chrome/chromium but all are usually open at the same time. How could I verify/test that?
[16:35] <brainwash> xubuntu68w: maybe there is a crash dump in /var/crash
[16:37] <xubuntu68w> brainwash: hm nothing from today in /var/crash
[16:38] <brainwash> any crash dump for Xorg though?
[16:39] <brainwash> not sure if it will save duplicates
[16:39] <brainwash> for every crash
[16:39] <brainwash> a general tip would be to monitor RAM usage I guess
[16:40] <brainwash> no free RAM may end in a crash of the graphical session
[16:40] <brainwash> and you mentioned having two RAM eating web browsers running at the same time
[16:48] <xubuntu68w> brainwash: no crashes at all captured today in /var/crash TBH I don't track performance (mem, cpu etc) on my laptop/maybe this is a good excuse to add something
[16:49] <diogenes_> xubuntu68w, what GPU?
[16:52] <xubuntu68w> I ran into Xfwm 4.14 Compositor issue (thanks again for the help there!!) Is this `inxi` information helpful https://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?pid=57109#p57109 ?
[16:55] <diogenes_> xubuntu68w, run: inxi -G | nc termbin.com 9999
[16:56] <diogenes_> share the link.
[16:58] <xubuntu68w> diogenes_: https://termbin.com/acyk
[17:01] <diogenes_> xubuntu68w, and now run: apt list --installed | grep intel
[17:01] <diogenes_> and
[17:01] <diogenes_> !pastebin
[17:01] <ubottu> For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use https://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use https://imgur.com/ !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic.
[17:04] <xubuntu68w> diogenes_: https://pastebin.com/9CjXfMM1
[17:08] <diogenes_> xubuntu68w, run: ls /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ what do you get? if it's less than 3 lines you can just copy/paste here without pastebin.
[17:09] <xubuntu68w> diogenes_: dir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d doesn't exist (/etc/X11/ obviously does)
[17:10] <diogenes_> now: sudo mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d
[17:11] <xubuntu68w> done!
[17:11] <diogenes_> now run the following command as ahole: http://dpaste.com/09RXYVE
[17:12] <diogenes_> whole*
[17:13] <xubuntu68w> diogenes_: done, file created
[17:13] <diogenes_> cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-intel.conf | nc termbin.com 9999
[17:13] <diogenes_> share
[17:13] <xubuntu68w> https://termbin.com/isjr
[17:15] <diogenes_> now after reboot notice if crashes still happen but keep in mind if you get a black screen or can't login then you do the following:
[17:16] <diogenes_> ctrl+alt+f4
[17:16] <diogenes_> login
[17:16] <diogenes_> sudo rm /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-intel.conf
[17:16] <diogenes_> startxfce4
[17:16] <diogenes_> done
[17:18] <diogenes_> if crashes still happen then change Option "AccelMethod" "sna" to Option "AccelMethod" "uxa"
[17:20] <xubuntu68w> diogenes_: will check for the next reboot and the following days, thanks!
[17:20] <diogenes_> ok and come with a feedback.
[17:23] <xubuntu68w> diogenes_: the ctrl+alt+f4 will switch to a tty, right? out of curiosity is there a reason for the number 4?
[17:23] <letho4> j'ai besoin d'aide qui peut m'aider à débloquer une imprimante ?
[17:26] <diogenes_> xubuntu68w, not a big difference just different distros assign different TTYs for graphical desktop, some assign it to TTY2 some to TTY7.
[17:26] <xubuntu68w> diogenes_: thanks
[17:26] <diogenes_> no problem.
[17:33] <xubuntu68w> diogenes_: survived reboot and login (tested with and without my 2nd screen turned on) so I'll now look out for further crashes
[17:34] <xubuntu68w> weirdly my wallpaper settings got lost - anyhow just mentioning not a problem
[17:35] <diogenes_> xubuntu68w, ok, also as brainwash mentioned, to rule out some browser related issues, try one browser at a time.
[18:17] <bleb> dpkg --configure -a is stalling
[18:17] <bleb> it's been stuck there for about 10 minutes
[18:18] <bleb> should i wait longer?  or is there something i can try?
[21:16] <xubuntu9w> Hello
[21:17] <xubuntu9w> I'm trying to set up a scanner to scan an image but no software can detect it
[21:17] <xubuntu9w> it's an Epson ET-4750
[21:27] <xubuntu61w> Hello everyone. :)   I'm looking for a distribution where RDP from a Win10 machine works, after installing XRDP. I have not been able to get RDP woking after trying 3 distributions. Have spent lots of time to find the issue.
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