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| Unit193 | There we go. | 03:16 |
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| Unit193 | I'm letting my xubuntu-doc membership expire, I think it won't affect things. | 05:35 |
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| jphilips | pleia2: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1qenHqnop4DWne2DsX5nPgaN7xdJLzL6etb0gfBGL6fk/edit# | 09:48 |
| jphilips | it has changes for the artwork and QA contribution pages made by me, ochosi and knome | 09:49 |
| jphilips | once those changes get in, i'll work on the other contribution pages, with input from the lead of each of the pages | 09:50 |
| jphilips | the other thing in the document is additional press links for the 'in the press' pages which i gathered | 09:51 |
| jphilips | i'm a member of the wiki team, but still cant edit the meeting page :( | 10:07 |
| jphilips | Unit193: can you add the following items to the agenda | 10:16 |
| jphilips | pre-installed apps - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2020-March/011877.html | 10:16 |
| jphilips | UI and UX tweaks - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2020-March/011876.html | 10:16 |
| jphilips | broken Super + D shortcut - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-default-settings/+bug/1866537 | 10:17 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1866537 in xubuntu-default-settings (Ubuntu) "Show desktop shortcut doesnt work" [Undecided,New] | 10:17 |
| Unit193 | jphilips: Can't add anything right now, but as I noted before we're in FeatureFreeze, so any seed changes would have to have a FFe which needs a solid justification...sooo.. | 10:23 |
| jphilips | can you clarify what seed changes mean | 10:26 |
| Unit193 | Seed = packages we're shipping on the ISO/desktop. | 10:26 |
| Unit193 | https://git.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/ubuntu-seeds/+git/xubuntu | 10:28 |
| jphilips | so the pre-installed apps proposal. okay. i've given my justification in the mailing list. guess you guys will decide how solid it is | 10:29 |
| Unit193 | Nope, FFes aren't approved by the Xubuntu team. | 10:31 |
| Unit193 | !ffe | 10:31 |
| ubottu | Feature Freeze Exception. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess for the freeze exception process. | 10:31 |
| jphilips | so i presume its the 'FeatureFreeze for new packages' section | 10:35 |
| Unit193 | "Introducing new packages into the archive"? No, that's different. | 10:41 |
| Unit193 | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2020-March/004924.html recently talked about it. | 10:43 |
| bluesabre | Yeah, at this point (Feature Freeze) in an LTS cycle, we shouldn't be adding any new applications. | 11:04 |
| bluesabre | UI/UX tweaks are still acceptable. | 11:04 |
| bluesabre | And bug fixes are fair game until release day and beyond. | 11:04 |
| bluesabre | I am not opposed to revisiting the default apps at the beginning of the 20.10 cycle | 11:05 |
| jphilips | okey dokey. | 11:10 |
| jphilips | how fixed are we with using xfce apps over other apps? | 11:10 |
| brainwash | jphilips: you did not mention in your report if the settings GUI shows Super + D as being assigned to the correct action | 11:14 |
| jphilips | brainwash: wouldnt have to as thats the default | 11:15 |
| jphilips | its not like i assigned the shortcut, its the default set in 19.10 | 11:16 |
| Unit193 | I'd imagine we're pretty set on using Xfce. :P | 11:16 |
| brainwash | it certainly is, but it helps to know if the GUI agrees with that | 11:16 |
| bluesabre | jphilips: Here's our info on Package Selection. https://docs.xubuntu.org/contributor/C/xsd.html#xsd-seeds-composition-package-selection | 11:17 |
| jphilips | but yes it does show in the GUI that its the shortcut | 11:17 |
| brainwash | okay | 11:17 |
| brainwash | my first guess would have been that it is simply missing there | 11:18 |
| bluesabre | In general, we're not opposed to using non-Xfce apps, there just historically hasn't been any real reason to. | 11:18 |
| brainwash | due to whatever reason | 11:18 |
| jphilips | Unit193: well i was going to suggest that we use a different image viewer than ristretto | 11:18 |
| Unit193 | That's actually one of the decently maintained components. | 11:18 |
| brainwash | jphilips: the old keybind still works? | 11:23 |
| jphilips | definitely could be, but i guess i've been spoiled with viewers that have some basic editing features like cropping, saving as a different format, etc. | 11:23 |
| jphilips | brainwash: no you can only assign the function to a single shortcut in window manager | 11:23 |
| brainwash | but the action can appear twice in the XML file | 11:24 |
| jphilips | not sure why only the combination with 'D' is acting up like that | 11:24 |
| jphilips | if you are in thunar and press Super + D, it acts as if you are just pressing D | 11:25 |
| jphilips | so it shows the search for 'D' in the bottom right | 11:26 |
| brainwash | reminds me of bug 1292290 | 11:27 |
| ubottu | bug 1292290 in xfwm4 (Ubuntu Trusty) "[SRU] Window manager keybindings don't work after reboot" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1292290 | 11:27 |
| brainwash | xfconf-query -c xfce4-keyboard-shortcuts -lv | grep show_desktop_key | 11:33 |
| jphilips | brainwash: are you asking me to execute that? | 11:35 |
| brainwash | if you want to debug the problem, yes | 11:36 |
| jphilips | https://imgur.com/EcniYWn.png | 11:44 |
| jphilips | old shortcut still works | 11:45 |
| brainwash | see | 11:45 |
| brainwash | action appears twice | 11:45 |
| jphilips | so bluesabre patch wasnt correct then - https://git.launchpad.net/xubuntu-default-settings/commit/?id=4f8124a0669462a5ff86017043ab4cc068ae4b1e | 11:46 |
| brainwash | maybe this is needed https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/xubuntu-default-settings/trunk/revision/543 | 11:47 |
| brainwash | setting the Xfce default keybind to type="empty" | 11:48 |
| brainwash | in the Xubuntu XML file | 11:49 |
| jphilips | i set the old shortcut to a different operation but still that didnt fix it | 11:50 |
| jphilips | but it did ask me if i wanted to move it off of show desktop | 11:51 |
| jphilips | not sure how the old shortcut is being set, when its not found in the shortcuts file - https://git.launchpad.net/xubuntu-default-settings/tree/etc/xdg/xdg-xubuntu/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/xfce4-keyboard-shortcuts.xml | 11:55 |
| brainwash | jphilips: merged from the upstream XML file | 11:57 |
| brainwash | or keybind setup | 11:57 |
| brainwash | no idea how it works in detail | 11:57 |
| jphilips | thankfully the old shortcut does work, atleast for those who have been using it before | 11:59 |
| brainwash | in the xfconf-query output you can see "custom" and "default" | 11:59 |
| brainwash | and I assume that "default" is a mix of Xubuntu's keybinds + Xfce's ones | 12:02 |
| brainwash | Xfce has Ctrl+Alt+D, Xubuntu does not anymore | 12:02 |
| brainwash | therefore it gets merged | 12:02 |
| brainwash | set Ctrl+Alt+D in Xubuntu to type="empty" -> no merge happens anymore | 12:03 |
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| jphilips | has the team considered doing voice/video meetings with someone taking minutes | 13:42 |
| pleia2 | jphilips: yes, we all hate it ;) even during the Virtual Ubuntu Developer Summits we tended to just have IRC-based sessions instead of video | 14:38 |
| jphilips | even just audio? | 14:38 |
| pleia2 | even just audio | 14:39 |
| pleia2 | and it's hard to take comprehensive notes, the audio isn't as accessible for searching/reviewing in the future | 14:40 |
| jphilips | at libreoffice we did voice/video meetings and noted minutes and all were able to modify the minutes to add additional info that may have been missed or incorrectly noted | 14:42 |
| pleia2 | I'm glad it worked for that team :) | 14:44 |
| pleia2 | I also wouldn't be able to attend, I can keep an eye on a text-based meeting during work (which is when the meetings happen), but I couldn't divert enough attention to audio/video without taking time off from work (not really possible right now) | 14:45 |
| jphilips | as the minutes were taking place in etherpad, you could look at the pad and comment there if you are unable to attend | 14:46 |
| jphilips | here's an example - https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Meetings/2020-03-12 | 14:47 |
| jphilips | here is the etherpad - https://pad.documentfoundation.org/p/design | 14:47 |
| pleia2 | I have definitely done it for other teams, I'm explaining that it doesn't work for us | 14:49 |
| jphilips | okey dokey | 14:49 |
| pleia2 | jphilips: I've added you to the website team so you can make the edits agreed to in the document | 15:10 |
| -BottyMcBotFace:#xubuntu-devel- ::platform:: Seed python-is-python3 @ http://git.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/+git/platform/commit/?id=8b39ba0911da0d5189f49abf930c9e6618b7c467 (by Dimitri John Ledkov) | 15:11 | |
| jphilips | okey dokey | 15:12 |
| pleia2 | thanks for your work on this :) | 15:18 |
| jphilips | glad to help and to ease burden on the team with my suggested changes :D | 15:18 |
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| knome | for what it's worth, using pad for suggesting stuff and/or collaborative editing would be better than google docs | 17:22 |
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| -BottyMcBotFace:#xubuntu-devel- ATTN: Xubuntu Core 20.04 - amd64 - amd64 built. | 23:28 | |
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