[03:16] <Unit193> There we go.
[05:35] <Unit193> I'm letting my xubuntu-doc membership expire, I think it won't affect things.
[09:48] <jphilips> pleia2: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1qenHqnop4DWne2DsX5nPgaN7xdJLzL6etb0gfBGL6fk/edit#
[09:49] <jphilips> it has changes for the artwork and QA contribution pages made by me, ochosi and knome
[09:50] <jphilips> once those changes get in, i'll work on the other contribution pages, with input from the lead of each of the pages
[09:51] <jphilips> the other thing in the document is additional press links for the 'in the press' pages which i gathered
[10:07] <jphilips> i'm a member of the wiki team, but still cant edit the meeting page :(
[10:16] <jphilips> Unit193: can you add the following items to the agenda
[10:16] <jphilips> pre-installed apps - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2020-March/011877.html
[10:16] <jphilips> UI and UX tweaks - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2020-March/011876.html
[10:17] <jphilips> broken Super + D shortcut - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-default-settings/+bug/1866537
[10:23] <Unit193> jphilips: Can't add anything right now, but as I noted before we're in FeatureFreeze, so any seed changes would have to have a FFe which needs a solid justification...sooo..
[10:26] <jphilips> can you clarify what seed changes mean
[10:26] <Unit193> Seed = packages we're shipping on the ISO/desktop.
[10:28] <Unit193> https://git.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/ubuntu-seeds/+git/xubuntu
[10:29] <jphilips> so the pre-installed apps proposal. okay. i've given my justification in the mailing list. guess you guys will decide how solid it is
[10:31] <Unit193> Nope, FFes aren't approved by the Xubuntu team.
[10:31] <Unit193> !ffe
[10:35] <jphilips> so i presume its the 'FeatureFreeze for new packages' section
[10:41] <Unit193> "Introducing new packages into the archive"?  No, that's different.
[10:43] <Unit193> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2020-March/004924.html recently talked about it.
[11:04] <bluesabre> Yeah, at this point (Feature Freeze) in an LTS cycle, we shouldn't be adding any new applications.
[11:04] <bluesabre> UI/UX tweaks are still acceptable.
[11:04] <bluesabre> And bug fixes are fair game until release day and beyond.
[11:05] <bluesabre> I am not opposed to revisiting the default apps at the beginning of the 20.10 cycle
[11:10] <jphilips> okey dokey.
[11:10] <jphilips> how fixed are we with using xfce apps over other apps?
[11:14] <brainwash> jphilips: you did not mention in your report if the settings GUI shows Super + D as being assigned to the correct action
[11:15] <jphilips> brainwash: wouldnt have to as thats the default
[11:16] <jphilips> its not like i assigned the shortcut, its the default set in 19.10
[11:16] <Unit193> I'd imagine we're pretty set on using Xfce. :P
[11:16] <brainwash> it certainly is, but it helps to know if the GUI agrees with that
[11:17] <bluesabre> jphilips: Here's our info on Package Selection. https://docs.xubuntu.org/contributor/C/xsd.html#xsd-seeds-composition-package-selection
[11:17] <jphilips> but yes it does show in the GUI that its the shortcut
[11:17] <brainwash> okay
[11:18] <brainwash> my first guess would have been that it is simply missing there
[11:18] <bluesabre> In general, we're not opposed to using non-Xfce apps, there just historically hasn't been any real reason to.
[11:18] <brainwash> due to whatever reason
[11:18] <jphilips> Unit193: well i was going to suggest that we use a different image viewer than ristretto
[11:18] <Unit193> That's actually one of the decently maintained components.
[11:23] <brainwash> jphilips: the old keybind still works?
[11:23] <jphilips> definitely could be, but i guess i've been spoiled with viewers that have some basic editing features like cropping, saving as a different format, etc.
[11:23] <jphilips> brainwash: no you can only assign the function to a single shortcut in window manager
[11:24] <brainwash> but the action can appear twice in the XML file
[11:24] <jphilips> not sure why only the combination with 'D' is acting up like that
[11:25] <jphilips> if you are in thunar and press Super + D, it acts as if you are just pressing D
[11:26] <jphilips> so it shows the search for 'D' in the bottom right
[11:27] <brainwash> reminds me of bug 1292290
[11:33] <brainwash> xfconf-query -c xfce4-keyboard-shortcuts -lv | grep show_desktop_key
[11:35] <jphilips> brainwash: are you asking me to execute that?
[11:36] <brainwash> if you want to debug the problem, yes
[11:44] <jphilips> https://imgur.com/EcniYWn.png
[11:45] <jphilips> old shortcut still works
[11:45] <brainwash> see
[11:45] <brainwash> action appears twice
[11:46] <jphilips> so bluesabre patch wasnt correct then - https://git.launchpad.net/xubuntu-default-settings/commit/?id=4f8124a0669462a5ff86017043ab4cc068ae4b1e
[11:47] <brainwash> maybe this is needed https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/xubuntu-default-settings/trunk/revision/543
[11:48] <brainwash> setting the Xfce default keybind to type="empty"
[11:49] <brainwash> in the Xubuntu XML file
[11:50] <jphilips> i set the old shortcut to a different operation but still that didnt fix it
[11:51] <jphilips> but it did ask me if i wanted to move it off of show desktop
[11:55] <jphilips> not sure how the old shortcut is being set, when its not found in the shortcuts file - https://git.launchpad.net/xubuntu-default-settings/tree/etc/xdg/xdg-xubuntu/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/xfce4-keyboard-shortcuts.xml
[11:57] <brainwash> jphilips: merged from the upstream XML file
[11:57] <brainwash> or keybind setup
[11:57] <brainwash> no idea how it works in detail
[11:59] <jphilips> thankfully the old shortcut does work, atleast for those who have been using it before
[11:59] <brainwash> in the xfconf-query output you can see "custom" and "default"
[12:02] <brainwash> and I assume that "default" is a mix of Xubuntu's keybinds + Xfce's ones
[12:02] <brainwash> Xfce has Ctrl+Alt+D, Xubuntu does not anymore
[12:02] <brainwash> therefore it gets merged
[12:03] <brainwash> set Ctrl+Alt+D in Xubuntu to type="empty" -> no merge happens anymore
[13:42] <jphilips> has the team considered doing voice/video meetings with someone taking minutes
[14:38] <pleia2> jphilips: yes, we all hate it ;) even during the Virtual Ubuntu Developer Summits we tended to just have IRC-based sessions instead of video
[14:38] <jphilips> even just audio?
[14:39] <pleia2> even just audio
[14:40] <pleia2> and it's hard to take comprehensive notes, the audio isn't as accessible for searching/reviewing in the future
[14:42] <jphilips> at libreoffice we did voice/video meetings and noted minutes and all were able to modify the minutes to add additional info that may have been missed or incorrectly noted
[14:44] <pleia2> I'm glad it worked for that team :)
[14:45] <pleia2> I also wouldn't be able to attend, I can keep an eye on a text-based meeting during work (which is when the meetings happen), but I couldn't divert enough attention to audio/video without taking time off from work (not really possible right now)
[14:46] <jphilips> as the minutes were taking place in etherpad, you could look at the pad and comment there if you are unable to attend
[14:47] <jphilips> here's an example - https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Meetings/2020-03-12
[14:47] <jphilips> here is the etherpad - https://pad.documentfoundation.org/p/design
[14:49] <pleia2> I have definitely done it for other teams, I'm explaining that it doesn't work for us
[14:49] <jphilips> okey dokey
[15:10] <pleia2> jphilips: I've added you to the website team so you can make the edits agreed to in the document
[15:11] -BottyMcBotFace:#xubuntu-devel- ::platform:: Seed python-is-python3 @ http://git.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/+git/platform/commit/?id=8b39ba0911da0d5189f49abf930c9e6618b7c467 (by Dimitri John Ledkov)
[15:12] <jphilips> okey dokey
[15:18] <pleia2> thanks for your work on this :)
[15:18] <jphilips> glad to help and to ease burden on the team with my suggested changes :D
[17:22] <knome> for what it's worth, using pad for suggesting stuff and/or collaborative editing would be better than google docs
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