=== brainwash_ is now known as brainwash [03:16] There we go. [05:35] I'm letting my xubuntu-doc membership expire, I think it won't affect things. === guiverc2 is now known as guiverc [09:48] pleia2: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1qenHqnop4DWne2DsX5nPgaN7xdJLzL6etb0gfBGL6fk/edit# [09:49] it has changes for the artwork and QA contribution pages made by me, ochosi and knome [09:50] once those changes get in, i'll work on the other contribution pages, with input from the lead of each of the pages [09:51] the other thing in the document is additional press links for the 'in the press' pages which i gathered [10:07] i'm a member of the wiki team, but still cant edit the meeting page :( [10:16] Unit193: can you add the following items to the agenda [10:16] pre-installed apps - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2020-March/011877.html [10:16] UI and UX tweaks - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2020-March/011876.html [10:17] broken Super + D shortcut - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-default-settings/+bug/1866537 [10:17] Launchpad bug 1866537 in xubuntu-default-settings (Ubuntu) "Show desktop shortcut doesnt work" [Undecided,New] [10:23] jphilips: Can't add anything right now, but as I noted before we're in FeatureFreeze, so any seed changes would have to have a FFe which needs a solid justification...sooo.. [10:26] can you clarify what seed changes mean [10:26] Seed = packages we're shipping on the ISO/desktop. [10:28] https://git.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/ubuntu-seeds/+git/xubuntu [10:29] so the pre-installed apps proposal. okay. i've given my justification in the mailing list. guess you guys will decide how solid it is [10:31] Nope, FFes aren't approved by the Xubuntu team. [10:31] !ffe [10:31] Feature Freeze Exception. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess for the freeze exception process. [10:35] so i presume its the 'FeatureFreeze for new packages' section [10:41] "Introducing new packages into the archive"? No, that's different. [10:43] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2020-March/004924.html recently talked about it. [11:04] Yeah, at this point (Feature Freeze) in an LTS cycle, we shouldn't be adding any new applications. [11:04] UI/UX tweaks are still acceptable. [11:04] And bug fixes are fair game until release day and beyond. [11:05] I am not opposed to revisiting the default apps at the beginning of the 20.10 cycle [11:10] okey dokey. [11:10] how fixed are we with using xfce apps over other apps? [11:14] jphilips: you did not mention in your report if the settings GUI shows Super + D as being assigned to the correct action [11:15] brainwash: wouldnt have to as thats the default [11:16] its not like i assigned the shortcut, its the default set in 19.10 [11:16] I'd imagine we're pretty set on using Xfce. :P [11:16] it certainly is, but it helps to know if the GUI agrees with that [11:17] jphilips: Here's our info on Package Selection. https://docs.xubuntu.org/contributor/C/xsd.html#xsd-seeds-composition-package-selection [11:17] but yes it does show in the GUI that its the shortcut [11:17] okay [11:18] my first guess would have been that it is simply missing there [11:18] In general, we're not opposed to using non-Xfce apps, there just historically hasn't been any real reason to. [11:18] due to whatever reason [11:18] Unit193: well i was going to suggest that we use a different image viewer than ristretto [11:18] That's actually one of the decently maintained components. [11:23] jphilips: the old keybind still works? [11:23] definitely could be, but i guess i've been spoiled with viewers that have some basic editing features like cropping, saving as a different format, etc. [11:23] brainwash: no you can only assign the function to a single shortcut in window manager [11:24] but the action can appear twice in the XML file [11:24] not sure why only the combination with 'D' is acting up like that [11:25] if you are in thunar and press Super + D, it acts as if you are just pressing D [11:26] so it shows the search for 'D' in the bottom right [11:27] reminds me of bug 1292290 [11:27] bug 1292290 in xfwm4 (Ubuntu Trusty) "[SRU] Window manager keybindings don't work after reboot" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1292290 [11:33] xfconf-query -c xfce4-keyboard-shortcuts -lv | grep show_desktop_key [11:35] brainwash: are you asking me to execute that? [11:36] if you want to debug the problem, yes [11:44] https://imgur.com/EcniYWn.png [11:45] old shortcut still works [11:45] see [11:45] action appears twice [11:46] so bluesabre patch wasnt correct then - https://git.launchpad.net/xubuntu-default-settings/commit/?id=4f8124a0669462a5ff86017043ab4cc068ae4b1e [11:47] maybe this is needed https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/xubuntu-default-settings/trunk/revision/543 [11:48] setting the Xfce default keybind to type="empty" [11:49] in the Xubuntu XML file [11:50] i set the old shortcut to a different operation but still that didnt fix it [11:51] but it did ask me if i wanted to move it off of show desktop [11:55] not sure how the old shortcut is being set, when its not found in the shortcuts file - https://git.launchpad.net/xubuntu-default-settings/tree/etc/xdg/xdg-xubuntu/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/xfce4-keyboard-shortcuts.xml [11:57] jphilips: merged from the upstream XML file [11:57] or keybind setup [11:57] no idea how it works in detail [11:59] thankfully the old shortcut does work, atleast for those who have been using it before [11:59] in the xfconf-query output you can see "custom" and "default" [12:02] and I assume that "default" is a mix of Xubuntu's keybinds + Xfce's ones [12:02] Xfce has Ctrl+Alt+D, Xubuntu does not anymore [12:02] therefore it gets merged [12:03] set Ctrl+Alt+D in Xubuntu to type="empty" -> no merge happens anymore === jphilips_ is now known as jphilips [13:42] has the team considered doing voice/video meetings with someone taking minutes [14:38] jphilips: yes, we all hate it ;) even during the Virtual Ubuntu Developer Summits we tended to just have IRC-based sessions instead of video [14:38] even just audio? [14:39] even just audio [14:40] and it's hard to take comprehensive notes, the audio isn't as accessible for searching/reviewing in the future [14:42] at libreoffice we did voice/video meetings and noted minutes and all were able to modify the minutes to add additional info that may have been missed or incorrectly noted [14:44] I'm glad it worked for that team :) [14:45] I also wouldn't be able to attend, I can keep an eye on a text-based meeting during work (which is when the meetings happen), but I couldn't divert enough attention to audio/video without taking time off from work (not really possible right now) [14:46] as the minutes were taking place in etherpad, you could look at the pad and comment there if you are unable to attend [14:47] here's an example - https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Meetings/2020-03-12 [14:47] here is the etherpad - https://pad.documentfoundation.org/p/design [14:49] I have definitely done it for other teams, I'm explaining that it doesn't work for us [14:49] okey dokey [15:10] jphilips: I've added you to the website team so you can make the edits agreed to in the document [15:11] -BottyMcBotFace:#xubuntu-devel- ::platform:: Seed python-is-python3 @ http://git.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/+git/platform/commit/?id=8b39ba0911da0d5189f49abf930c9e6618b7c467 (by Dimitri John Ledkov) [15:12] okey dokey [15:18] thanks for your work on this :) [15:18] glad to help and to ease burden on the team with my suggested changes :D === jphilips_ is now known as jphilips [17:22] for what it's worth, using pad for suggesting stuff and/or collaborative editing would be better than google docs === jphilipz is now known as jphilips [23:28] -BottyMcBotFace:#xubuntu-devel- ATTN: Xubuntu Core 20.04 - amd64 - amd64 built.