[01:03] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL6e3613d59eaf: Update vlc-pref-hotkeys.png] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL6e3613d59eaf [01:10] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALf92eb4db74c6: Update vlc-customize-toolbar.png] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALf92eb4db74c6 [01:14] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL9d86a16555c0: Update vlc-plugin-extension.png] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL9d86a16555c0 [01:19] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL66571be8dc7c: Update equalizer.png] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL66571be8dc7c [01:23] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL236ef8ccca78: Update vlc-compressor.png] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL236ef8ccca78 [01:34] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL8e37e3bed44e: Update vlc-synchronization.png] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL8e37e3bed44e [01:44] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL91bbe65ad163: update pavucontrol-playback.png] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL91bbe65ad163 [01:47] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL4d41be34cccd: Update pavucontrol-qt.png] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL4d41be34cccd [01:53] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL0572d5c34f41: Update pavucontrol-input.png] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL0572d5c34f41 [04:18] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL5f774594829b: Update pavucontrol-config.png] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL5f774594829b [04:23] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL566c027a6cce: Add screenshot for pavucontrol-recording.png] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL566c027a6cce [04:45] Rudra Saraswat, [19.03.20 10:14] … Lubuntu of Raspberry Pi 4 is not working with sddm/lightdm. Only gdm3 is working. [04:45] Lubuntu of Raspberry Pi 4 is not working with sddm/lightdm. Only gdm3 is working. [04:45] Thus, am building with gdm3 rather than sddm. [05:35] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL70d3a86d5b7a: Update ark general pref screenshot] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL70d3a86d5b7a [05:36] Getting some weird behavior from openbox on the most recent daily [05:37] keeps intercepting rightclicks and opening a menu under the desktop root window/background [05:37] if I logout I can briefly see the open menu as pcmanfm quits [05:37] or I can kill openbox and lose window decorations, and things return to normalish [05:39] @Rudra Saraswat I believe this is a better room for your build talk instead of #lubuntu (support room), we're all on different timezones and busy with real life & other stuff most of the time, but thanks for update. [05:40] Kamilion, is that logging into Lubuntu (session) or Openbox? on Lubuntu daily? [05:41] * Kamilion shrugs [05:41] I don't recall having to log in. [05:41] Kamilion, if you don't know what I mean, it's likely Lubuntu (auto logs in!) ; can you please confirm 20.04 daily? [05:42] yes. [05:42] would you like the sha256? :P [05:42] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/daily-live/20200318/ [05:42] nah & thanks. (I had to confirm it wasn't 18.04.5 daily or another one) [05:43] No, focal. [05:43] only bisection point at the moment is febuary 20th's daily [05:44] I can try the build from the 17th. [05:44] but I don't have any of the dailys in between on hand. [05:45] Kamilion, you're asking beyond my skillset, a dev needs to read & help/direct you. Thanks for testing & update though. [05:45] I suppose you're new here? [05:46] I don't recall seeing your nick here before, offhand [05:46] but I stopped paying much attention after this telegram spambot [05:47] been in the room a ~couple of years, been far longer in other rooms.. [05:48] ah, welcome to lubuntu then, heh [05:48] thanks for helping out [05:50] huh, your launchpad profile indicates I *should* be familiar with you [05:55] anyway, walter or simon or somebody should take a look and see if openbox's config needs fixing. The user-apparent behavior is the GUI stops responding to mouseclicks unless you know some kung-fu like hitting super or alt+space a few times to trick openbox into switching to the window decoration option menu instead of it's own. [05:55] t.me/lubunturpidev [05:55] Telegram Channel for RPI Development [06:03] Last I knew, our raspberry pi images were being generation as a gift by the ubuntu-mate maintainer, flexiondotorg/Martin Wimpress, you should probably speak to him about the scripts that already worked with bionic. [06:08] Kamilion, thanks, I started testing in 18.10 cycle (so less than 2 years currently) but thanks :) [06:08] Contacting wimpress [06:10] ahhh, okay, yeah, I'm usually only around for the LTS cycle [06:10] so we've just missed eachother, *grin* [06:11] I've maintained a spin of lubuntu + xen since about 2012ish [06:12] Ah nice... [06:12] this openbox issue has cropped up at least since 2015 in various forms [06:12] bionic seemed to have it fixed up [06:13] didn't really poke around in eoan, but my last ISO builds from feb 20th on focal didn't seem to demonstrate the issue either [06:13] so I think it's managed to creep back in, in the last month, somewhere [06:14] other than that, been quite solid [06:14] if you have a bug report for it (historical) I'd suggest commenting there, or possibly creating one big :) @ solid [06:16] Nope, and no repro either. Not sure what is even causing it other than some brief hints that I'm using my intuition to chase after many years of papercuts experiences on lubuntu [06:17] the main issue I'm aware of with openbox is obmenu (I think it is, don't quote me on that) which is python2 (again don't quote me) [06:17] but it happened with my respun ISO, which had the following packages purged: zram-config, and the following added: xen, ipxe, iftop, iotop, synaptic, gedit, gnome-disk-utility, falkon, dc3dd, x2goserver, ipmitool, nwipe, sdparm, tmux, lsscsi, sg3-utils, jq, screen, byobu, sysdig, lxterminal, gnome-terminal, nmap, ifupdown, supervisor, and smartmontools. [06:18] and then I went to the daily I built it from, and it occured there too. [06:18] Ahh! okay, that's actually a good lead, but odd, since I don't think I even have python2-minimal [06:18] lemme check, I think xen might have drug py2 back in, that might have been it [06:19] nope, no python2 [06:19] probably why xen choked on my febuary build [06:20] but yeah, obmenu sounds familiar, I'll go sniffing around it's config [06:20] since I was a fluxbox user long ago [06:21] lubuntu doesn't use it (obmenu), but I recall discussion here, and have seen support requests about it (on 20.04 & not working..) [06:21] * Kamilion nods [06:22] sounds at least like a lead I can try following [06:22] and one of the quirks of it, I don't think it happens in virtualbox, vmware, kvm, or qemu. [06:24] and if it's my ISO, I can x2go in without running into it either [06:24] so it's some kind of race condition somewhere [06:25] also, if I log out and log in a few time, I can get a session that it doesn't occur with [06:26] not sure if it's because the livecd user now has populated configuration files, or what [06:39] looked at the menu.xml and the various rc files, nothing jumped out at me [06:41] but so far I've hit it on three systems, all three of them with "amd" graphics (but oddly, of all generations. amdgpu (ryzen 2400G), radeonhd (5400HD), and ragexl (Supermicro X9DRW-iF+ BMC) [06:42] think it might occur on mga (matrox G200 / Supermicro H8SCM-F BMC) as well, but I'll have to check. [06:42] SDDM doesn't work on Raspberry Pi. [06:45] put the log on https://paste.ubuntu.com/ [06:47] Problem is, there isn't any log. It doesn't show any errors, but does not start up. [06:47] The log is completely empty. [06:48] @Rudra Saraswat [Problem is, there isn't any log. It doesn't show any errors, but does not start …], Is the service enabled? [06:48] Yup, it is [06:48] Give us the status of the systemd service [06:48] `sudo systemctl status sddm` [06:48] Yup, I've verified. [06:48] systemd itself should have logs. I've never had to look for them [06:48] @Rudra Saraswat [Yup, I've verified.], Doesn't mean the output won't help [06:49] Is it enabled and running? [06:49] Yup, it is [06:49] Does update-alternatives show it as the default DM? [06:49] Yup [06:49] Are you absolutely 100% sure both of those are true? [06:49] Again, give us a pastebin of the status command [06:49] As verbose as you can get it [06:49] I tried linking the default X DM using 'ln', but no changes [06:49] Yup, am sharing [06:50] Okay [06:53] AHA! I think I see what's going on. [06:53] this is terrifying in a way. [06:54] openbox's menu is opening below pcmanfm-qt --desktop [06:54] I can reproduce it almost repeatably now by just rapidly right clicking on the desktop until I don't get a menu anymore [06:54] Now, a couple of system errors are popping up. I'll reinstall and share. Showing as though user isn't admin. Some sort of a mess. [06:55] @Kamilion [ I can reproduce it almost repeatably now by just rapidly right clicki …], Is it reproducible on a fresh install? [06:55] @Rudra Saraswat [Now, a couple of system errors are popping up. I'll reinstall and share. Showing …], Okay [06:55] so pcmanfm-qt lost the click, and it fell through to openbox, who pops it's menu under the root background (somehow) and then that looks like the mouse is stuck and unclickable, since now pcmanfm-qt --desktop is accepting clicks again. [06:55] not even on an install dude, just the liveiso [06:56] now I'm starting to wonder if it did happen on my febuary ISO and I just never managed to run into it [06:57] Flashing the ISO [06:58] @Kamilion [ not even on an install dude, just the liveiso], Ouchhh [06:58] Steps to repro again? [06:58] right click the desktop rapidly until you do not get pcmanfm-qt's rightclick menu [06:59] trying the feb 19th daily iso now to see if the same thing happens there [06:59] last one I have on hand before the two in current/pending [07:01] Nope, right clicking as fast as I can [07:09] Thanks Kamilion [07:09] sure [07:09] Can you also try Debian Sid or Fedora? If it's also broken there, we can blame upstream [07:10] netinst sid, I guess? [07:10] Any [07:11] "any"? The debian wiki says "there are no 'unstable' full CD or DVD images." [07:11] Yup [07:11] Was just checking and found it [07:11] so the only way I can think of to get it directly is via netinst. [07:11] Yup [07:11] :) [07:12] so, which any is one option? [07:12] Sorry [07:12] My mistake [07:13] no worries, easy mistake to make for someone not already familiar with debian's quirks [07:13] armbian keeps me on my toes lol [07:13] :) [07:14] huh, now I can't even reproduce it at all on this boot [07:14] Wish there was live [07:14] that wouldn't be difficult. [07:15] :) [07:15] I have one of those cheap chinese HDMI capture dongles, and discord does group screenshares [07:15] er, oh, right, you're telegram, not discord [07:15] Don't worry, I'm on Discord too [07:15] Will connect [07:18] grabbed unstable's 3-14 mini.iso [07:20] oh, also, I just noticed, trying to run the lubuntu installer from the desktop asks what to do with the desktop file. [07:20] What!! Another bug!! [07:21] ... of course [07:21] lubuntu's full of them, don't kid yourself. [07:22] Yup...was just shocked when I saw so many bugs in a day [07:22] most of them are "papercuts" or harmless [07:22] Yup, but this one is SERIOUS [07:22] not really? [07:23] gio set path/to/installer.desktop -t string metadata::trust "true" [07:23] Hmm... [07:23] agaida already 'fixed' it in the past [07:23] but it's really an upstream quirk. [07:23] https://github.com/lxqt/pcmanfm-qt/issues/754 [07:23] Issue 754 in lxqt/pcmanfm-qt "set/unset file trust from command line" [Closed] [07:23] Yup [07:23] Hmm... [07:24] I'm already familiar with it because it's how I add icons to the desktop for my ISO as well. [07:25] Ahh... [07:25] Now facing another issue on my RPI4B [07:25] Won't get to login after reinstallation [07:25] Sharing a pic... [07:27] (Photo, 1280x720) https://i.imgur.com/TpNeobT.jpg SOME SORT OF A MESS!! [07:27] Um, honestly, supporting SBCs has been more or less out of scope for lubuntu, since we've only volunteers. flexiondotorg did some reasonable work in that direction, but for the most part, I think you should probably look at armbian's rootfs if you want something reasonably supported. [07:28] Nah, am building, not testing [07:28] it'll be a couple weeks before igor gets to focal. [07:28] Am just reporting bugs that I'm finding while building [07:28] building what, focal? [07:28] Eoan [07:28] ... uh [07:29] Um, I'm not sure if this will be considered since am using Raspberry Pi Imager [07:29] Quite new, isn't it? [07:29] you... know eoan's only going to be supported until july, right? [07:30] Yup, so am going to test Focal too [07:30] I don't think anyone's doing any development nor accepting any SRUs for eoan, but I could be quite mistaken [07:31] I'm trying, but not many are interested [07:32] Some are, but not all [07:32] Actually, I've been a fan of the Raspberry Pi since a long time [07:32] um, no, people aren't interested because development frozen. [07:33] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EoanErmine/ReleaseSchedule [07:33] it's really difficult to actually convince the release team you need an SRU post-release. [07:34] Yup... [07:34] I don't even see lubuntu in the list. [07:35] @Kamilion [ gio set path/to/installer.desktop -t string metadata::trust "true"], That's fixed already in the ISOs [07:35] Yup... [07:35] as of which daily? [07:35] A while ago [07:35] 17ths or 18ths? [07:35] That's a regression if that's a thing again [07:35] I believe that was casper [07:36] Well, it's been my goal to build software for the Raspberry Pi to make it behave like a desktop [07:38] I'm wondering how to stop unattended-upgr [07:38] dpkg-reconfigure unattended-upgrades [07:39] or apt purge unattended-upgrades [07:39] like zram-config [07:39] Neither command works [07:40] (really wish gnome-disk-utility and kde partition manager knew not to show zram devices; but perhaps that's udisks2's fault) [07:40] I'm waiting for unattended-upgr to finish, since the installation of lubuntu-desktop itself takes a lot of time. [07:41] then install lxqt-core first [07:42] but eoan stuff belongs in the support channel anyway [07:42] Am doing here since I've found multiple bugs in even Eoan [07:42] also, since you're using pis like desktops, make sure you make use of squid-deb-proxy-client [07:43] really helps when you're installing the same packages over and over [07:44] Yup [07:44] I ported it to python3 since it seems like few other people use it [07:45] Ahh... [07:45] trying to get some updates to wajig upstreamed now too [07:45] get aptitude from depends to recommends [07:46] but I don't think apt 2.0 will make it into focal [07:46] think they'll stick with 1.9 [07:46] Sad... [07:46] not really. [07:46] it was past the feature freeze when it was released. [07:47] Ahh... [07:47] That's just how the mechanism is set to work. Same reason eoan won't be touched. [07:47] Yup [07:47] i got loads of fixes I'd like, but most of them are out of scope for focal's freezes [07:47] You were right, the package was very useful [07:48] It generally takes an hour to finish, but the installation finished in a minute's time [07:48] you'll need to choose one node to run 'squid-deb-proxy' on. The rest will locate it automatically via avahi. [07:48] Hmm... [07:48] :) [07:49] but once the packages are cached, yeah, it turns 35 minutes of waiting for downloads into "WOW, 24 megabytes per second... *nervous laugh*" [07:49] Configuring the desktop, will then share the ISO [07:49] 😄 [07:49] :) [07:59] as far as I know though, lxqt is in good shape on armbian buster, so as far as buggy arm64 packages, I'm not aware of any directly. [08:00] Ahh... [08:01] and the rootfs images tend to work on most of the ARM7+ SBCs by nature of linaro's baselines, which canonical partnered with long ago for ARM/AArch64 support. [08:01] armbian supports plenty of boards, the only real difference is the bootloader partition and the kernel image. [08:02] as an example, I've been busy trying to get bionic and focal to work on the pinepone's allwinner a64 [08:02] more or less, everything works (and better than ubport's 16.04 versions, ugggh) [08:02] By the way, another bug [08:03] (Photo, 1280x720) https://i.imgur.com/DFr8PtE.jpg [08:03] Gets stuck here [08:03] try ttyS0 as it says. [08:04] or check your console option in the kernel commandline. [08:05] It has now started on tty2, but SDDM won't start (on the RPI) [08:05] pastebin the logs. [08:07] use pastebinit if you have to. [08:07] it should already be installed as lubuntu-desktop recommends/depends on it [08:07] Clicked the picture [08:08] Had to install it seperately, but still does not work [08:08] Uh, I included —no-install-recommends [08:08] ah, welcome to "if it breaks, you get to keep both pieces" [08:08] (Photo, 1280x720) https://i.imgur.com/WyF9HaH.jpg [08:09] Hmm... [08:09] okay, well, how about the display server log. [08:09] pastebinit. [08:11] https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/k67CwxdQt5/ [08:11] Hmm... [08:11] Turns out, xinit wasn't installed [08:12] Dunno if it is required [08:20] i'd suggest installing 'lxqt-core' with it's recommendations, before installing lubuntu-desktop without recommends. [08:21] the former will pull in all the desktop GUI packages, the latter will skip all the apps in Reccomends [08:21] Ahh... Will try that [08:22] Currently installing xinit, which in turn is installing all the missed applications... [08:22] i've previously asked for a lubuntu-server package, but simon's consistantly pushed back; and eventually just got rid of all the other meta packages other than lubuntu-desktop for focal. So I understand his direction; but I just don't agree with it. [08:22] Me too... [08:23] I don't really want the bundled desktop apps (especally libreoffice's girth) [08:24] that's okay though, I know I'm in the minority of developer-users. [08:24] I also don't like them [08:25] they're for all the normal people that just want to use a computer for documents and such [08:25] Yup... [08:25] I'm just including them so that newbies do not get angry [08:25] so I'm totally fine with them being part of the ISO defaults [08:25] Yup... [08:26] and if I want a minimal lubuntu, I just install ubuntu-server, apt install lxqt-core, then apt install --no-recommends lubuntu-desktop [08:26] Yup... [08:26] you will get bitten if you don't do at least one package with normal recommends during the xorg install though [08:27] any desktop environment is enough, doesn't have to be lubuntu [08:27] even just installing weston + xwayland [08:27] Yup... Am just using LXQT since this is related to Lubuntu [08:28] --no-recommends should only be used if you know what you're doing. [08:28] Yup [08:29] It turns out that Lubuntu is bloated, rather that being minimal [08:29] meh, that's in the eye of the beholder [08:29] It downloaded 4GBs whole [08:29] :) [08:29] for me, lubuntu's quite minimal, as I use TORAM=Yes on machines with 128GB [08:30] @Kamilion [ meh, that's in the eye of the beholder], +1 [08:30] for someone with a thinkpad t420 and 2GB of ram, it's getting rather chubby [08:30] @Rudra Saraswat [It downloaded 4GBs whole], It's 2020 [08:30] and those are the folks that lubuntu is targeting [08:30] But on a Raspberry Pi with 8GB of SD sorage [08:30] RAM, dude, not storage. [08:31] Lubuntu used to be the go-to besides xubuntu for machines with 1GB to 2GB of ram -- worked great, ate about 200MB and didn't need swap. [08:31] Storage really... (download size is more than RAM) [08:31] Yup [08:31]