| Chipaca | moin moin | 08:26 |
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| Chipaca | I'm working today, after all | 08:27 |
| Chipaca | but, the dell engineer will be here shortly to rip the guts out of my main laptop | 08:27 |
| Chipaca | if it takes more than an hour i'll use my secondary | 08:27 |
| Chipaca | otherwise, if i'm not on irc, telegram or signal work | 08:27 |
| niemeyer | Chipaca: Morning, and good luck :) | 09:20 |
| Chipaca | behold the majesty of all my megahertz | 09:20 |
| niemeyer | Chipaca: Do you know what time the guy/girl is supposed to show up? | 10:30 |
| niemeyer | Maybe already there? :) | 10:45 |
| Chipaca | niemeyer: all sorted now :) | 10:49 |
| niemeyer | Chipaca: Cool, no worries then.. I was going to suggest moving the standup earlier in case there was a chance of overlap | 10:55 |
| niemeyer | Chipaca: Btw, can we please rename it to "Charmcraft standup"? | 10:55 |
| * Chipaca renames it to "stand up and dance around" | 10:56 | |
| Chipaca | brb, update needs a reboot | 11:05 |
| Chipaca | niemeyer: any progress on reviewing the testing harness? | 11:11 |
| niemeyer | Chipaca: Yeah, I was hoping to cover that today in the standup, but I now realize Jam is out today | 11:12 |
| niemeyer | Chipaca: The most elegant approach seems to be supporting both ends of it | 11:12 |
| niemeyer | Chipaca: We might have a couple of options.. one of them is having per method flags, and the other is a more global enable/disable events | 11:13 |
| niemeyer | Global is probably better.. not sure about what the default should be | 11:14 |
| niemeyer | Maybe emitting? | 11:14 |
| niemeyer | Also, it should likely be named emit instead of trigger, as that's what we already use everywhere | 11:14 |
| niemeyer | Also shorter, but that's just a bonus of consistency | 11:15 |
| Chipaca | :-) | 11:20 |
| niemeyer | Not exactly the reply I expected | 11:20 |
| Chipaca | >:( | 11:21 |
| Chipaca | better? | 11:21 |
| Chipaca | niemeyer: sorry, i read it as a status dump, didn't think you were actually asking me there | 11:21 |
| Chipaca | niemeyer: I think john was slightly in favour of not emitting by default, but i might have misunderstood. I do think there is value in both approaches, and if we can support both that is the right approach | 11:22 |
| niemeyer | Yeah, it seems easy to support both, and indeed it's the best of both worlds | 11:23 |
| Chipaca | wrt which to do by default, i don't know which would be more surprising | 11:23 |
| niemeyer | The problem with emitting always is that it becomes harder to create specific sequences of events | 11:23 |
| Chipaca | the 'set things up, now be alive, now test' seems to flow naturally | 11:23 |
| Chipaca | with the other approach being just to ask it to be alive before setting things up | 11:23 |
| Chipaca | conversely, 'refrain from emitting, set things up, start emitting, test' seems more awkward | 11:24 |
| Chipaca | hm | 11:24 |
| Chipaca | niemeyer: so the emit-by-default only makes sense if we're sure that's what people will be using most of the time | 11:25 |
| niemeyer | It's a bit unfortunate that we don't have a chance of getting it wrong and then fixing it | 11:25 |
| Facu | Muy buenos días a todos! | 11:26 |
| Chipaca | well, we kinda do | 11:26 |
| Chipaca | Facu: salut! | 11:27 |
| niemeyer | Facu: Hey, good morning | 11:27 |
| Facu | hola Chipaca, niemeyer, happy friday! | 11:27 |
| Chipaca | Facu: likewise! | 11:27 |
| Facu | Chipaca, I'm curious on what evil had the laptop | 11:27 |
| Chipaca | ni ideq | 11:29 |
| Chipaca | they changed the motherboard and it works again | 11:29 |
| Facu | Chipaca, ah, ok | 11:30 |
| Facu | it was the motherboard, then! jeje | 11:30 |
| Chipaca | or the cpu (soldered on) | 11:31 |
| Chipaca | or the thermal paste | 11:31 |
| Chipaca | who knows | 11:32 |
| Facu | Chipaca, at least they changed something, it's not that they used a magic wand or a sonic screwdriver and that was all | 11:33 |
| Chipaca | aye | 11:35 |
| Chipaca | niemeyer: i seem to remember you mentioning that there was a document about the next-gen charm tool, particularly around verbs | 12:07 |
| Chipaca | with maybe some workflows worked out? | 12:07 |
| Chipaca | niemeyer: if so, i can haz? | 12:07 |
| Chipaca | if not, booooooooo i coulda used that :) | 12:08 |
| niemeyer | Chipaca: Let me find it | 12:16 |
| niemeyer | Chipaca: The focus was juju and snap themselves, so I'm not entirely sure about the quality of the charmcraft details | 12:16 |
| Chipaca | ah, ok | 12:17 |
| niemeyer | Chipaca: This is one: | 12:17 |
| niemeyer | If only copy and paste worked.. | 12:18 |
| niemeyer | https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1CFl26rmUIKzH3qgBSZ6FbxU8Z0JEDNMTyYwx_CBzgYw | 12:18 |
| niemeyer | This is another one: | 12:18 |
| niemeyer | https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-N_Zkmma9H2R0TfvpGbS9yuNExnMrIIA-WcLn75DBw8 | 12:18 |
| Chipaca | nice | 12:22 |
| Chipaca | thanks | 12:22 |
| * Facu bookmarks | 13:00 | |
| Facu | ah, yes, I was involved in the second | 13:00 |
| Facu | (with other hat in my head, though) | 13:00 |
| === Facu is now known as facubatista | ||
| facubatista | one "idea" or "concept" is WHAT from one place to other? "transported"? "carried"? | 13:22 |
| Chipaca | facubatista: infected :-) | 16:53 |
| facubatista | je | 17:21 |
| facubatista | niemeyer, how can I edit these pages? https://discourse.jujucharms.com/t/charm-writing/1260 (or suggest changes?) I already found two types | 17:44 |
| facubatista | *typos | 17:44 |
| niemeyer | facubatista: Commenting on the topic, or having indeed having access to edit it | 18:35 |
| facubatista | It looks I don't have access, indeed | 18:36 |
| facubatista | thought about commenting, but these topics don't have any reply | 18:37 |
| niemeyer | They should.. if you raise something and nobody responds, that's something we ought to fix | 18:39 |
| facubatista | I just replied both entries, let's see how it goes | 18:51 |
| facubatista | aghh, "New in version 3.7.", wanted to use that! :p | 20:19 |
| * facubatista eods, and eows! see you all on Wednesday!! | 21:07 | |
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