[08:26] <Chipaca> moin moin
[08:27] <Chipaca> I'm working today, after all
[08:27] <Chipaca> but, the dell engineer will be here shortly to rip the guts out of my main laptop
[08:27] <Chipaca> if it takes more than an hour i'll use my secondary
[08:27] <Chipaca> otherwise, if i'm not on irc, telegram or signal work
[09:20] <niemeyer> Chipaca: Morning, and good luck :)
[09:20] <Chipaca> behold the majesty of all my megahertz
[10:30] <niemeyer> Chipaca: Do you know what time the guy/girl is supposed to show up?
[10:45] <niemeyer> Maybe already there? :)
[10:49] <Chipaca> niemeyer: all sorted now :)
[10:55] <niemeyer> Chipaca: Cool, no worries then.. I was going to suggest moving the standup earlier in case there was a chance of overlap
[10:55] <niemeyer> Chipaca: Btw, can we please rename it to "Charmcraft standup"?
[10:56]  * Chipaca renames it to "stand up and dance around"
[11:05] <Chipaca> brb, update needs a reboot
[11:11] <Chipaca> niemeyer: any progress on reviewing the testing harness?
[11:12] <niemeyer> Chipaca: Yeah, I was hoping to cover that today in the standup, but I now realize Jam is out today
[11:12] <niemeyer> Chipaca: The most elegant approach seems to be supporting both ends of it
[11:13] <niemeyer> Chipaca: We might have a couple of options.. one of them is having per method flags, and the other is a more global enable/disable events
[11:14] <niemeyer> Global is probably better.. not sure about what the default should be
[11:14] <niemeyer> Maybe emitting?
[11:14] <niemeyer> Also, it should likely be named emit instead of trigger, as that's what we already use everywhere
[11:15] <niemeyer> Also shorter, but that's just a bonus of consistency
[11:20] <Chipaca> :-)
[11:20] <niemeyer> Not exactly the reply I expected
[11:21] <Chipaca> >:(
[11:21] <Chipaca> better?
[11:21] <Chipaca> niemeyer: sorry, i read it as a status dump, didn't think you were actually asking me there
[11:22] <Chipaca> niemeyer: I think john was slightly in favour of not emitting by default, but i might have misunderstood. I do think there is value in both approaches, and if we can support both that is the right approach
[11:23] <niemeyer> Yeah, it seems easy to support both, and indeed it's the best of both worlds
[11:23] <Chipaca> wrt which to do by default, i don't know which would be more surprising
[11:23] <niemeyer> The problem with emitting always is that it becomes harder to create specific sequences of events
[11:23] <Chipaca> the 'set things up, now be alive, now test' seems to flow naturally
[11:23] <Chipaca> with the other approach being just to ask it to be alive before setting things up
[11:24] <Chipaca> conversely, 'refrain from emitting, set things up, start emitting, test' seems more awkward
[11:24] <Chipaca> hm
[11:25] <Chipaca> niemeyer: so the emit-by-default only makes sense if we're sure that's what people will be using most of the time
[11:25] <niemeyer> It's a bit unfortunate that we don't have a chance of getting it wrong and then fixing it
[11:26] <Facu> Muy buenos días a todos!
[11:26] <Chipaca> well, we kinda do
[11:27] <Chipaca> Facu: salut!
[11:27] <niemeyer> Facu: Hey, good morning
[11:27] <Facu> hola Chipaca, niemeyer, happy friday!
[11:27] <Chipaca> Facu: likewise!
[11:27] <Facu> Chipaca, I'm curious on what evil had the laptop
[11:29] <Chipaca> ni ideq
[11:29] <Chipaca> they changed the motherboard and it works again
[11:30] <Facu> Chipaca, ah, ok
[11:30] <Facu> it was the motherboard, then! jeje
[11:31] <Chipaca> or the cpu (soldered on)
[11:31] <Chipaca> or the thermal paste
[11:32] <Chipaca> who knows
[11:33] <Facu> Chipaca, at least they changed something, it's not that they used a magic wand or a sonic screwdriver and that was all
[11:35] <Chipaca> aye
[12:07] <Chipaca> niemeyer: i seem to remember you mentioning that there was a document about the next-gen charm tool, particularly around verbs
[12:07] <Chipaca> with maybe some workflows worked out?
[12:07] <Chipaca> niemeyer: if so, i can haz?
[12:08] <Chipaca> if not, booooooooo i coulda used that :)
[12:16] <niemeyer> Chipaca: Let me find it
[12:16] <niemeyer> Chipaca: The focus was juju and snap themselves, so I'm not entirely sure about the quality of the charmcraft details
[12:17] <Chipaca> ah, ok
[12:17] <niemeyer> Chipaca: This is one:
[12:18] <niemeyer> If only copy and paste worked..
[12:18] <niemeyer> https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1CFl26rmUIKzH3qgBSZ6FbxU8Z0JEDNMTyYwx_CBzgYw
[12:18] <niemeyer> This is another one:
[12:18] <niemeyer> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-N_Zkmma9H2R0TfvpGbS9yuNExnMrIIA-WcLn75DBw8
[12:22] <Chipaca> nice
[12:22] <Chipaca> thanks
[13:00]  * Facu bookmarks
[13:00] <Facu> ah, yes, I was involved in the second
[13:00] <Facu> (with other hat in my head, though)
[13:22] <facubatista> one "idea" or "concept" is WHAT from one place to other? "transported"? "carried"?
[16:53] <Chipaca> facubatista: infected :-)
[17:21] <facubatista> je
[17:44] <facubatista> niemeyer, how can I edit these pages? https://discourse.jujucharms.com/t/charm-writing/1260 (or suggest changes?) I already found two types
[17:44] <facubatista> *typos
[18:35] <niemeyer> facubatista: Commenting on the topic, or having indeed having access to edit it
[18:36] <facubatista> It looks I don't have access, indeed
[18:37] <facubatista> thought about commenting, but these topics don't have any reply
[18:39] <niemeyer> They should.. if you raise something and nobody responds, that's something we ought to fix
[18:51] <facubatista> I just replied both entries, let's see how it goes
[20:19] <facubatista> aghh, "New in version 3.7.", wanted to use that! :p
[21:07]  * facubatista eods, and eows! see you all on Wednesday!!