[08:26] moin moin [08:27] I'm working today, after all [08:27] but, the dell engineer will be here shortly to rip the guts out of my main laptop [08:27] if it takes more than an hour i'll use my secondary [08:27] otherwise, if i'm not on irc, telegram or signal work [09:20] Chipaca: Morning, and good luck :) [09:20] behold the majesty of all my megahertz [10:30] Chipaca: Do you know what time the guy/girl is supposed to show up? [10:45] Maybe already there? :) [10:49] niemeyer: all sorted now :) [10:55] Chipaca: Cool, no worries then.. I was going to suggest moving the standup earlier in case there was a chance of overlap [10:55] Chipaca: Btw, can we please rename it to "Charmcraft standup"? [10:56] * Chipaca renames it to "stand up and dance around" [11:05] brb, update needs a reboot [11:11] niemeyer: any progress on reviewing the testing harness? [11:12] Chipaca: Yeah, I was hoping to cover that today in the standup, but I now realize Jam is out today [11:12] Chipaca: The most elegant approach seems to be supporting both ends of it [11:13] Chipaca: We might have a couple of options.. one of them is having per method flags, and the other is a more global enable/disable events [11:14] Global is probably better.. not sure about what the default should be [11:14] Maybe emitting? [11:14] Also, it should likely be named emit instead of trigger, as that's what we already use everywhere [11:15] Also shorter, but that's just a bonus of consistency [11:20] :-) [11:20] Not exactly the reply I expected [11:21] >:( [11:21] better? [11:21] niemeyer: sorry, i read it as a status dump, didn't think you were actually asking me there [11:22] niemeyer: I think john was slightly in favour of not emitting by default, but i might have misunderstood. I do think there is value in both approaches, and if we can support both that is the right approach [11:23] Yeah, it seems easy to support both, and indeed it's the best of both worlds [11:23] wrt which to do by default, i don't know which would be more surprising [11:23] The problem with emitting always is that it becomes harder to create specific sequences of events [11:23] the 'set things up, now be alive, now test' seems to flow naturally [11:23] with the other approach being just to ask it to be alive before setting things up [11:24] conversely, 'refrain from emitting, set things up, start emitting, test' seems more awkward [11:24] hm [11:25] niemeyer: so the emit-by-default only makes sense if we're sure that's what people will be using most of the time [11:25] It's a bit unfortunate that we don't have a chance of getting it wrong and then fixing it [11:26] Muy buenos días a todos! [11:26] well, we kinda do [11:27] Facu: salut! [11:27] Facu: Hey, good morning [11:27] hola Chipaca, niemeyer, happy friday! [11:27] Facu: likewise! [11:27] Chipaca, I'm curious on what evil had the laptop [11:29] ni ideq [11:29] they changed the motherboard and it works again [11:30] Chipaca, ah, ok [11:30] it was the motherboard, then! jeje [11:31] or the cpu (soldered on) [11:31] or the thermal paste [11:32] who knows [11:33] Chipaca, at least they changed something, it's not that they used a magic wand or a sonic screwdriver and that was all [11:35] aye [12:07] niemeyer: i seem to remember you mentioning that there was a document about the next-gen charm tool, particularly around verbs [12:07] with maybe some workflows worked out? [12:07] niemeyer: if so, i can haz? [12:08] if not, booooooooo i coulda used that :) [12:16] Chipaca: Let me find it [12:16] Chipaca: The focus was juju and snap themselves, so I'm not entirely sure about the quality of the charmcraft details [12:17] ah, ok [12:17] Chipaca: This is one: [12:18] If only copy and paste worked.. [12:18] https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1CFl26rmUIKzH3qgBSZ6FbxU8Z0JEDNMTyYwx_CBzgYw [12:18] This is another one: [12:18] https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-N_Zkmma9H2R0TfvpGbS9yuNExnMrIIA-WcLn75DBw8 [12:22] nice [12:22] thanks [13:00] * Facu bookmarks [13:00] ah, yes, I was involved in the second [13:00] (with other hat in my head, though) === Facu is now known as facubatista [13:22] one "idea" or "concept" is WHAT from one place to other? "transported"? "carried"? [16:53] facubatista: infected :-) [17:21] je [17:44] niemeyer, how can I edit these pages? https://discourse.jujucharms.com/t/charm-writing/1260 (or suggest changes?) I already found two types [17:44] *typos [18:35] facubatista: Commenting on the topic, or having indeed having access to edit it [18:36] It looks I don't have access, indeed [18:37] thought about commenting, but these topics don't have any reply [18:39] They should.. if you raise something and nobody responds, that's something we ought to fix [18:51] I just replied both entries, let's see how it goes [20:19] aghh, "New in version 3.7.", wanted to use that! :p [21:07] * facubatista eods, and eows! see you all on Wednesday!!