| cmaloney | Yes | 00:21 |
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| greg-g | a surprise rick_h_! I was just mentioning your trailer trip here recently and missed you | 03:40 |
| greg-g | https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/19/california-governor-issues-statewide-order-to-stay-at-home-effective-thursday-evening.html | 03:41 |
| greg-g | all of CA is shelter in place as of tonight | 03:41 |
| rick_h_ | greg-g: ah howdy. Welcome to lock down city | 11:33 |
| cmaloney | CHC next week is online again: https://gettogether.community/events/4809/coffee-house-coders-regular-meeting/ | 13:47 |
| rick_h_ | cmaloney: cool | 13:54 |
| cmaloney | Yep. Still going. :) | 13:54 |
| jrwren | man... i'm writing a tiny bit of python, and I've forgotten so much python and going from Go to python makes me feel that python is just a terrible langauge. | 17:40 |
| rick_h_ | hah | 17:41 |
| mrgoodcat | try js | 17:42 |
| jrwren | ugh. no ty. | 17:44 |
| * cmaloney has a sad because Python is beautiful | 17:46 | |
| jrwren | its probably less python and more the way this particular huge tree data structure is built in python that is my gripe. | 17:46 |
| cmaloney | but yeah, Python Unicode is really a mess | 17:46 |
| cmaloney | even with 3 it's still more than I care to think about stuff | 17:47 |
| jrwren | hasattr(python, "beautiful") returns false, bro. | 17:47 |
| cmaloney | try the same with go | 17:47 |
| cmaloney | pretty sure it'll do the same | 17:47 |
| jrwren | lol. | 17:48 |
| jrwren | nope, Go simply won't compile. | 17:48 |
| cmaloney | See? Failing silently is a good thing. | 17:49 |
| jrwren | hahahaha | 17:50 |
| jrwren | explains some silently failing apps that I know are python... like launchpad ;) | 17:51 |
| cmaloney | Yeah, I'll grant you that. Python is not great with bad data | 17:53 |
| cmaloney | like Launchpad. ;) | 17:53 |
| cmaloney | Too many times I've had something like this | 17:53 |
| cmaloney | if condition: | 17:53 |
| cmaloney | if condition is not None and condition: | 17:54 |
| cmaloney | if condition is not None and condition is True: | 17:54 |
| cmaloney | if condition is not none and isinstance(condition, (bool)): | 17:56 |
| cmaloney | etc. | 17:56 |
| mrgoodcat | in js you simply have if (typeof condition === "boolean" && condition) | 18:26 |
| mrgoodcat | ~beautiful~ | 18:26 |
| cmaloney | in JS you just give up all hope | 18:29 |
| cmaloney | and hide console.log | 18:29 |
| mrgoodcat | hide console.log? | 18:39 |
| mrgoodcat | behind a logging framework you mean? | 18:39 |
| cmaloney | just in general. No more warnings. ;) | 18:43 |
| * cmaloney is being facetious | 18:43 | |
| jrwren | um... triple equals isn't type equality in js, so... | 19:17 |
| jrwren | or is it? | 19:17 |
| cmaloney | It's place-in-memory equality (is how I remember it) | 19:17 |
| cmaloney | which is technically incorrect, obviously | 19:19 |
| cmaloney | because I am full of incorrect information | 19:19 |
| cmaloney | https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/JavaScript/Equality_comparisons_and_sameness | 19:20 |
| Scary_Guy | I figure everything is online until further notice. | 19:23 |
| Scary_Guy | The 2600 group that meets in A2 is doing a telco bridge call-in the first Friday of the month 248-724-2600 (or call in whenever, maybe others will join, the bot mentions it in IRC when someone does) | 19:24 |
| Scary_Guy | I came up with an idea for a Mumble/IRC integration. Pretty sure the IRC spec doesn't really allow for that, so the client would need to shadow servers/channels. | 19:26 |
| jrwren | if "x" in o and o["x"] == foo: oh python. | 19:27 |
| cmaloney | jrwren: o.get('x') == foo | 19:28 |
| jrwren | nope. | 19:28 |
| jrwren | cmaloney: you wish, but python. | 19:28 |
| jrwren | i wish too... but python. | 19:28 |
| cmaloney | no, it works. :) | 19:28 |
| jrwren | nope. | 19:28 |
| cmaloney | it'll get X or none | 19:28 |
| jrwren | KeyError: 'x'' | 19:29 |
| cmaloney | https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/GVXPhJ75g4/ | 19:30 |
| cmaloney | It'll retrieve None if it doesn't exist | 19:30 |
| cmaloney | which may be a separate issue | 19:30 |
| jrwren | python2, ordereddict | 19:30 |
| jrwren | the fact that we are even arguing about it is proof that python isn't very good. | 19:30 |
| jrwren | I'm about to tell me team that I can't write python. | 19:31 |
| cmaloney | Well, a) Ordered Dict in Python 2 is no longer supported (Python2) | 19:31 |
| cmaloney | Also ordereddict should support the same .get syntax | 19:33 |
| jrwren | i assure you it doesn't. | 19:33 |
| cmaloney | though you might need to put .get('x', None) | 19:33 |
| jrwren | yes, that's probably what I want. | 19:33 |
| jrwren | still, that is garbage. | 19:33 |
| jrwren | python is terrible. | 19:33 |
| jrwren | can I use perl instead? | 19:33 |
| cmaloney | no, because it's not 2003 | 19:34 |
| cmaloney | Also: what is Perl? :) | 19:34 |
| cmaloney | Is this ordered dict somehow part of a scraper? | 19:35 |
| jrwren | no. | 19:35 |
| jrwren | also, I read what you wrote wrong and you've been right all along. | 19:35 |
| cmaloney | <3 | 19:35 |
| cmaloney | Python is great | 19:35 |
| jrwren | no, python is still terrible. | 19:35 |
| jrwren | i'll be glad to never use it again. | 19:35 |
| cmaloney | You're allowed to be wrong again | 19:35 |
| cmaloney | ;) | 19:35 |
| jrwren | because, how do you do get("",None) for a bool? | 19:36 |
| jrwren | is None true or false? | 19:36 |
| jrwren | its all so backwards. | 19:36 |
| jrwren | not to mention I just don't want to use it now. | 19:36 |
| jrwren | and what we want is everything. | 19:36 |
| cmaloney | You can use something other than None | 19:37 |
| cmaloney | like False | 19:37 |
| cmaloney | it just defalts to None because None is more correct than False or 0 | 19:37 |
| jrwren | why can't I use Go? ;) | 19:39 |
| cmaloney | Because you're not an intern at Google? :) | 19:41 |
| cmaloney | You've got this | 19:41 |
| jrwren | nope. | 19:41 |
| cmaloney | Stop fighting it | 19:41 |
| cmaloney | just let the zen of Python wash over you | 19:42 |
| jrwren | can't do it. | 19:42 |
| cmaloney | ooommm | 19:42 |
| cmaloney | I said OOOM MOFO | 19:42 |
| jrwren | the zen of python is bullshit compared to the proverbs of go. | 19:42 |
| jrwren | I graduated python. I wrote plenty of it for years. | 19:42 |
| jrwren | I've moved beyond it. | 19:42 |
| cmaloney | You should do it in Rust | 19:42 |
| jrwren | so far beyond it that I can't even understand it. | 19:42 |
| rick_h_ | jrwren: has ascended his conciousness | 19:42 |
| jrwren | ugh rust... i'll keep my garbage collection TYVM | 19:43 |
| jrwren | i'm just salty cuz I already wrote this in Go, it works, but we haven't rewrote all of it in Go, so I ahve to write it in python too. | 19:45 |
| jrwren | and I've no idea how to do it. | 19:45 |
| rick_h_ | just needs more metaclasses, and f-strings, and ... | 19:46 |
| jrwren | ugh. | 19:47 |
| mrgoodcat | i missed programming language talk :( | 19:49 |
| jrwren | really more jrwren being grumpy talk | 19:51 |
| cmaloney | Yes, more jrwren being wrong talk | 19:53 |
| cmaloney | (I do this from a place of love. :) ) | 19:53 |
| rick_h_ | hah | 19:54 |
| jrwren | python was great for its time. | 19:56 |
| jrwren | thankfully, its time is gone. | 19:56 |
| rick_h_ | hah | 19:57 |
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