[00:23] <pleia2> so many wallpapers
[00:24] <Unit193> I know! :3
[00:44] <pleia2> there, all voted \o/
[00:54] <Unit193> pleia2: Thanks!  I haven't yet.  So. Many. Wallpapers.
[00:54] <Unit193> bluesabre: Were you going to cut a new -screensaver?  Someone in -dev seemed to think there were worthwhile changes.
[01:07] <Unit193> Also, are you thinking of doing https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15831?
[01:12] <bluesabre> Unit193: that's the plan. Need to fix some remaining issues, but should have a fix out this weekend.
[01:13] <Unit193> As per #xfce, seems it has an issue with docking in general?  And, if you go with Git, xfconf/libxfce4ui/etc will need to build the support.
[01:14] <bluesabre> Yeah, that's why I haven't done GIR yet, because it seems like its poorly supported among Xfce devs (or Corsac seemingly)
[01:15] <bluesabre> and/or*
[01:15] <Unit193> Debian doesn't have it because nothing uses it.
[01:15] <Unit193> Perhaps ask in #xfce-dev?  He might be open to it.
[01:16] <bluesabre> I don't use it because Debian doesn't have it :D
[01:16] <bluesabre> I'll think about it
[01:16] <bluesabre> It's less hacky that way
[01:16] <Unit193> Haha!
[01:16] <Unit193> Chicken, egg.
[13:51] <jphilips> any of our team willing to post what their development workspace looks like. similar to how gnome is doing https://twitter.com/gnome/status/1240732132076445696
[14:14] <brainwash> jphilips: why though?
[14:14] <jphilips> PR mainly
[16:56] <albinard> Reporting test of Xubuntu Core from 30/18 ISO: Installed on HP p7-1010, AMD64, BIOS, 6GB RAM.  First ran Live version: successful.  Install done from Live was quick and successful.
[16:56] <albinard> After configuring GUI, currently running as Daily Driver.
[16:57] <jphilips> albinard: sweet
[16:58] <jphilips> did you report the testcase?
[16:59] <albinard> No place on QA site to report from this ISO.  I didn't use the mini install plus.
[17:00] <jphilips> oh xubuntu core :D
[17:01] <jphilips> where can i get the iso?
[17:02] <albinard> https://unit193.net/xubuntu/core/pending/
[17:04] <jphilips> sweet as i only saw the 19.10 release on the website http://unit193.net/xubuntu/core/
[21:09] <jphilips> artwork contribution page has been updated. if you notice any problems, please let me know so it can be rectified.
[21:09] <jphilips> https://xubuntu.org/contribute/artwork/
[22:03] <Unit193> I kind of forget that not everyone knows about that, I've linked it in the past of course and there's build announcements here too. :3
[22:21] <jphilips> Unit193: would be good to have it i the menu of the core website :D
[22:22] <Unit193> Well certainly not menu, perhaps a note on the download page though.
[22:22] <jphilips> QA contribution page has been updated. if you notice any problems, please let me know so it can be rectified.
[22:22] <jphilips> https://xubuntu.org/contribute/qa
[22:22] <jphilips> Unit193: yep that would do
[22:36] <Unit193> Not entirely sure I want to do that though, as some people tend to just think "latest is greatest"
[22:40] <Unit193> https://unit193.net/xubuntu/core/ perhaps that'll do, hrm..
[22:41] <jphilips> yes the download page would do. if you found the 18.04 files, would be good to add those as well ;D
[22:42] <Unit193> As I mentioned before, I only build with the current release so prior ones get removed.
[22:44] <Unit193> http://paste.openstack.org/show/zYUAmzU11TLWOhzkVs4Z/ is the other wording change you mentioned, btw.
[22:46] <jphilips> might want to also mention it takes up less resources
[22:46] <jphilips> also the 'Installation' heading is confusing
[22:47] <jphilips> likely should be 'Alternative Installation'
[22:47] <jphilips> as that isnt the way to install xubuntu core
[22:48] <Unit193> Technically the correct way to install it is from the mini.iso, but this whole page was copied from an email I composed to xubuntu-devel a while ago. :P
[22:48] <jphilips> :D
[22:48] <Unit193> https://git.unit193.net/cgit/users/unit193/unit193.net.git/commit/?id=dda789dace754cffa58f1752b0d24f1c552470ff actually finally committed the change.  Can you tell I dislike writing websites? :P
[22:50] <jphilips> if you'd like me to go over it for you and give you an updated xubuntu.txt file, I'd be happy to
[22:51] <jphilips> or git patch if you prefer that
[22:51] <Unit193> With regards to resources used, I don't think there's enough of a difference there to mention really.  I've not compared it, but most of the same daemons should be running and of course xfce is still xfce (and the themes are the same, etc.)
[22:53] <Unit193> Was there something else that jumped out at you, then?
[22:54] <jphilips> i analyzed xubuntu core and my finds are here
[22:54] <jphilips> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xa5DMZErb6NrwS1oGTGB1jntXsjLUaySg5PMvJzWbpM/edit#heading=h.j7jlhoss0ess
[22:54] <Unit193> I should wrap lines..
[22:54] <jphilips> it doesnt include 7 auto start apps from the full version
[22:55] <jphilips> 4 of them are enabled while 3 are disabled
[22:56] <Unit193> Hrm, gnome-system-tools is useful for setting clock/etc, meh oh well.
[22:58] <Unit193> Note that the site does try to be a little vague, such that I don't have to specifically compare and re-write it every release (though I do diff manifests anyway, of course..)
[23:00] <jphilips> the other issue i mentioned before was the 'See also Appendix A of the Xubuntu docs.' which didnt have a link
[23:04] <jphilips> didnt get what this text means 'and only adding what you want.'
[23:04] <Unit193> Yeah unfortunately there isn't a perma link I can use.
[23:04] <Unit193> "You hopefully don't have to purge as much crap on initial installation before installing what you actually want."
[23:06] <krytarik> Unit193: https://docs.xubuntu.org/latest/user/C/appendix-packages.html - in this context, I remembered having suggested (iirc) a "latest" symlink before, and as it turned out there is! \o/
[23:06] <Unit193> Yep, I just found https://docs.xubuntu.org/current/user/C/appendix-packages.html myself.
[23:07] <Unit193> krytarik is the one I somehow managed to pull in and fix a few CSS things.
[23:08] <krytarik> Yeah, thought of "current" too, but stopped short of also checking it since I already found the other. >_>
[23:08] <Unit193> I logged in to the server to check..
[23:08] <krytarik> >_<
[23:16] <jphilips> Unit193: it says 'only ships Xfce' and likely should be 'only ships basic Xfce' as it doesnt have mousepad or catfish
[23:19] <krytarik> https://git.xfce.org/ - as per the 'core' definition though.
[23:20] <jphilips> oh okay, so 'only ships core Xfce'
[23:21] <krytarik> Yeah, that's what came to my mind too, but then again..
[23:22] <jphilips> https://bugzilla.xfce.org/enter_bug.cgi?classification=Xfce%20Core
[23:34] <Unit193> 'Xfce' is fine enough though, it's modular so it can be kind of confusing for some.  I wouldn't say 'core' because that might be overuse and there's a lot of extras.
[23:37] <jphilips> i've edited the text in the google doc for your review
[23:38] <jphilips> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xa5DMZErb6NrwS1oGTGB1jntXsjLUaySg5PMvJzWbpM/edit#heading=h.jox35y126dr1
[23:40] <jphilips> none of the text should require updating
[23:41] <Unit193> Not really sold on 'core Xfce', and it just doesn't have the community wallpapers, it still has all the Xubuntu default ones.
[23:41] <jphilips> core gone, and community wallpaper added
[23:43] <Unit193> Kind of wondered if catfish shouldn't be moved from desktop to core, but that's likely excessive.  I don't see anything else that jumps out at me.
[23:43] <Unit193> (Did I really have that typo?)
[23:43] <Unit193> Ouch.
[23:43] <jphilips> there were two typos that google doc noticed - targetted and courses
[23:45] <jphilips> searching on a desktop seems kind of core, especially when you are doing it from thunar
[23:46] <jphilips> other file managers have search inbuilt
[23:47] <Unit193> I guess there's other search options though, so.
[23:48] <jphilips> will thunar link up with those search options if installed?
[23:49] <Unit193> But yeah, that looks pretty good I'd say.  Thanks for the review.
[23:50] <jphilips> glad to help. i'm preparing a tweet to point to the page, so want it to be at its best :D
[23:50] <Unit193> Oh dear... :P
[23:50] <jphilips> let me know when you've update it, so i can send out the tweet
[23:50] <Unit193> Want to format-patch, so it gets your name?
[23:52] <jphilips> okay let me clone and work on it