[07:15] <ducasse> good morning
[09:29] <lotuspsychje> !snap
[09:30] <lotuspsychje> think there was one
[09:30] <TJ-> hmmm
[09:30] <lotuspsychje> #snappy
[09:31] <TJ-> Found the issue with the broken juju charmed install of kuernetes... they're running the snap core unconfined and it is causing its copy of /usr/bin/ssh to be linked to the host's libpthread.so ... which doesn't contain a symbol 'ssh' expects. The libpthread.so in the snap isn't being used because of the LD_LIBRARY_PATH !
[09:31] <TJ-> Thanks lotuspsychje  you're a star as always
[09:31] <ducasse> #snapcraft should also exist
[09:32] <ducasse> at least it did
[09:32] <lotuspsychje> thats confusing, whats the difference between the 2?
[09:33] <ducasse> i _think_ #snappy is partially about ubuntu core too
[09:33] <lotuspsychje> wich of the 2 would fit best in the factoid?
[09:34] <ducasse> #snapcraft, probably
[09:35] <TJ-> yeah; got them now... alis didn't being them up for a search of *snap*
[09:36] <lotuspsychje> !snap is <reply> Snaps are containerised software packages similar to flatpaks or appimage. For more info, see https://snapcraft.io and #snapcraft
[09:36] <TJ-> aha! it's because I surrounded the argument with ' makrs
[09:37] <TJ-> e.g. not '*snap*' but simply snap
[09:38] <lotuspsychje> ima snap noob :p
[09:41] <TJ-> this is a pretty major problem... incompatible libraries between host and snap core... and on the to-be LTS releasing next month!
[09:42] <TJ-> this is what happens when core services are taken outside the packaging/testing/QA system
[09:42] <lotuspsychje> and the server installer revamp too..
[09:42] <lotuspsychje> think that gonna give fireworx/bugs
[09:42] <TJ-> dunno not touched the installer; easier to use debootstrap!
[09:44] <TJ-> this 'fad' for hiding techy stuff behind a gui is getting out of hand - this JuJu / conjure-up creates a fancy TUI and when it is bootstrapping the Juju controller into an LXD container puts up a python animated progress indicator which has no relevance to the fact the thing died in the background. 20 minutes later it fails and suggests a log file to look at which says it timed out after
[09:44] <TJ-> waiting 20 !! minutes doing nothing
[09:44] <lotuspsychje> : o
[09:44] <TJ-> Personally I'd take these devs out behind the barn and shoot them!
[09:44] <TJ-> Dev ops my arse!
[09:46] <lotuspsychje> that sounds yikes
[10:55] <lotuspsychje> hey knightwise
[10:55] <lotuspsychje> working from home today?
[10:55] <knightwise> hey lotuspsychje
[10:56] <knightwise> Yeah , have been for the whole week.
[10:56] <lotuspsychje> neat
[10:56] <lotuspsychje> im from belgium too by the way
[10:56] <knightwise> Yeah ... i guess , I'm not complaining but i have to say working from home an entire week is quite intens
[10:56] <knightwise> ha :) Same here :) Tongeren (Eastside, near Liege)
[10:57] <lotuspsychje> nice, bruges here
[10:57] <knightwise> been tinkering around with a second hand Lenovo Yoga I got online. Put ubuntu on it and getting the final touches ready
[10:57] <lotuspsychje> final touches as in 20.04?
[10:58] <knightwise> 18.04 , i'm an LTS man :)
[10:58] <knightwise> have you played around with it ?
[10:58] <lotuspsychje> 20.04 is also lts :p
[10:58] <lotuspsychje> yeah im running it
[10:58] <knightwise> major improvements or just a good polishing ?
[10:58] <lotuspsychje> i always help bug out lts in early stages
[10:58] <knightwise> bless you :)
[10:59] <knightwise> I mostly run windows / OSX on my systems but I have about 3 different ubuntu servers running in the house
[10:59] <lotuspsychje> well, they predicted it was going to be a release without much changes, but in my opinion, theres some nice goodies already inside
[10:59] <lotuspsychje> lovely
[10:59] <knightwise> ah nice :)
[10:59] <knightwise> Yeah , looking forward to upgrading the yoga
[11:00] <lotuspsychje> faster gnome, new themes, new snap software, new extensions app,amazon icon out,...etc
[11:00] <knightwise> the interface is nice. For work I mostly run windows and osx but I use a lot of WSL if I can.
[11:00] <knightwise> Snaps are de-light-full
[11:00] <lotuspsychje> not everyone likes snaps, but in some cases they can be yeah
[11:01] <knightwise> I have been listening to the ubuntu uk podcast for a while , popey got me into snaps big time :)
[11:01] <lotuspsychje> ah great
[11:01] <knightwise> they are especially nice when you make your own post-install script
[11:02] <knightwise> you dont need to add repositories and repository keys and stuff , so that is cool
[11:02] <lotuspsychje> you a dev?
[11:02] <sixwheeledbeast> I see the application for them but I don't agree with switching default packages to snaps.
[11:02] <knightwise> IT Manager and Project manager ,
[11:02] <lotuspsychje> sixwheeledbeast: yeah, i dont like taking the choice away neither
[11:03] <knightwise> If I can write a bash script a dinosaur can dedode i'm happy
[11:03] <knightwise> sixwheeledbeast: Snapps are replacing debs ?
[11:03] <knightwise> that is a big difference with other debian distro's
[11:03] <lotuspsychje> some packages come snap as default on ubuntu now, is what he means
[11:04] <lotuspsychje> like the snap software will be on 20.04 for example
[11:04] <sixwheeledbeast> It was mentioned in IRC that a handful of packages that come with 20.04 will be snaps as default.
[11:04] <lotuspsychje> but on 18.04 there are also
[11:05] <knightwise> well, if you select software from the store its sometimes hard to spot de difference between a .deb and a snap
[11:05] <lotuspsychje> yeah id wish they divided that
[11:05] <sixwheeledbeast> I have removed snapd from my 18.04 so i won't be getting snaps.
[11:05] <knightwise> for the end user it doesnt make a lot fo difference.
[11:05] <lotuspsychje> knightwise: it does, cause some snaps come broken by default
[11:06] <knightwise> ah :( THAT is indeed true. But isnt the same true for deb apps ?
[11:06] <lotuspsychje> so the user will sometimes install a software that doesnt launch
[11:06] <knightwise> or is ther better vetting and testing for those
[11:06] <lotuspsychje> i havent seen much broken packages from apt yet
[11:07] <lotuspsychje> but there surely also are yeah
[11:07] <knightwise> true. I have been trying out a few snaps because I wanted a youtube download interface that was simple and reliable
[11:07] <knightwise> so far no luck
[11:07] <knightwise> so i'll just stick to youtube-dl
[11:08] <sixwheeledbeast> There are a few wrappers for youtube-dl
[11:08] <lotuspsychje> snap find youtube shows some list
[11:08] <knightwise> yeah i tried a few but as you say : a lot of them are broken
[11:08] <knightwise> So i decided to write my own little (simple) script to capture the different app options
[11:08] <lotuspsychje> yeah, so thats the bad part about it, the user gets stuck with broken software
[11:09] <knightwise> I download quite a bit of video material and audio from youtube. Love to do that
[11:09] <lotuspsychje> i see
[11:09] <knightwise> the only thing i miss is a decent stable command line based youtube player
[11:09] <knightwise> mps-youtube used to do that wonderfully but the package today is terribly broken
[11:10] <lotuspsychje> knightwise: cant vlc play yt from cli?
[11:11] <lotuspsychje> !info streamlink
[11:11] <lotuspsychje> or^
[11:11] <knightwise> well, playing the urls is not realy a problem. Its more that mps-yotube had a coulple of very cool ways to search and build playlists
[11:11] <lotuspsychje> ah i see
[11:14] <lotuspsychje> gonna grab a lunch first here
[11:14] <knightwise> but i'm mananging today :) I copy the urls of the video's I want to keep in 2 textfiles (one for the video download , the other ones for the audio only download) then I have 2 youtube-dl scripts that parse the files , download the video's , convert them to the right format and then clear out the files
[11:14] <knightwise> me too :) Catch you guys on the flipside _
[11:14] <lotuspsychje> idle around and we meet again :p
[11:14] <knightwise> ok :) nice chatting with you guys _
[11:14] <lotuspsychje> ; )
[13:07] <lotuspsychje> knightwise: what purpose does your ubuntu servers have?
[14:06] <lotuspsychje> pragmaticenigma: 950 of his dmesg uvcvideo 1-5:1.0: Entity type for entity Extension 4 was not initialized!
[14:09] <lotuspsychje> and uvcvideo: Failed to set UVC probe control : -110 (exp. 26).
[17:06] <lotuspsychje> another kernel 5.3 -42 dupe joined bug #1868376
[17:09] <akem> That's a pretty anoying bug... :)
[18:45] <oerheks> This alligater joe is really a pita
[21:23] <oerheks> https://www.xda-developers.com/developer-ports-ubuntu-touch-to-the-xiaomi-redmi-note-7/
[21:23] <oerheks> Developer ports Ubuntu Touch to the Xiaomi Redmi Note 7
[21:30] <akem> I thought Ubuntu touch was dead.
[21:30] <oerheks> mope
[21:31] <daftykins> it is for anything that matters :P
[21:31] <oerheks> there are transitions to come, split away from that funny plugin