[00:34] <Eickmeyer> And with that, we already have an item for the backports.
[05:17] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: work is also moving on -controls  so that will end up there as well
[05:17] <OvenWerks> I am going slow though as I have two boys to keep entertained...
[16:11] <teward> hey at least you have distractions I am going stir crazy right now stuck at home with everything shut
[16:22] <OvenWerks> Build a boat. " ...there is nothing - absolutely nothing - half so much worth doing as simply messing about in boats"
[16:25] <teward> heh.  in an apartment building so would be hard.  also, cant get wood - hardware store is shut
[16:26] <OvenWerks> My 33 year old son and I built a boat in the living room when he was about 8
[16:27] <OvenWerks> It was fun getting it out the door but we did.
[16:28] <OvenWerks> but yeah you do need the wood
[17:36] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: I hear that. I've got one boy to keep entertained, but he keeps himself entertained fairly well.
[23:09] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: re: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntustudio-menu/+bug/1868410
[23:10] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: I'll take a look and see what's up.
[23:11] <OvenWerks> I am not sure which gnome budgie is but I suspect this is actually the system menu file that comes with budgie
[23:12] <OvenWerks> both the gnome 2era and the newer system menu definitions have a bug that causes this... the gnome devs do not care (having moved on to no menu) and those who do deny it is a bug
[23:14] <Eickmeyer> Well, I'll see what I've got compared to the order -menu does.
[23:16] <OvenWerks> unfortunately the sample menu definition file at freedesktop.org
[23:16] <OvenWerks> is broken
[23:16] <Eickmeyer> Looks like it's sorted for me, so I can't reproduce.
[23:16] <Eickmeyer> I'll check the latest ISO too.
[23:17] <OvenWerks> if you look at: https://specifications.freedesktop.org/menu-spec/latest/ar01s08.html you will find close to the top a line: <MergeDir>applications-merged</MergeDir>
[23:18] <OvenWerks> that line really should be the second line from the bottom
[23:18] <OvenWerks> that is it should be the last line before the last </Menu>
[23:20] <Eickmeyer> That line is missing from studio.menu. You're saying it should be there OvenWerks?
[23:21] <OvenWerks> That line shouold not be in that file.
[23:22] <Eickmeyer> It's not. I do know what he's talking about though, but in this case it's sorted in a workflow priority, not alphabetcially. Not a bug, as far as I can tell.
[23:22] <OvenWerks> compare: /etc/xdg/menus/xfce-applications.menu with /etc/xdg/xdg/etc/xdg/xdg-ubuntustudio/menus/
[23:23] <OvenWerks> the same file.
[23:23] <Eickmeyer> We don't touch either of those in ubuntustudio-menu.
[23:24] <OvenWerks> no. that wouold be the wrong package
[23:24] <Eickmeyer> It's in -default-settings that we have that.
[23:24] <OvenWerks> yes
[23:25] <OvenWerks> the problem would not be in our package but in the budgie package
[23:25] <Eickmeyer> Right, so it's completely irrellevant to us and not a bug.
[23:25] <OvenWerks> compare to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-menus/+bug/1192002
[23:27] <OvenWerks> I actually put out bug reports for flavour menu files with this problem
[23:27] <OvenWerks> none have been fixed except maybe xubuntu (and not xfce?) and I have heard that lx may have by now too.
[23:28] <OvenWerks> kubuntu/plasma/kde has always been correct
[23:28] <Eickmeyer> No, I tested it, and even if it has the bug, our menus are honored.
[23:28] <OvenWerks> you have budgie too?
[23:28] <OvenWerks>  wow.
[23:29] <Eickmeyer> I don't think we can rightfully expect other desktop environments to conform to it. -menu is very specific to Xfce.
[23:29] <OvenWerks> yeah the menus would still work, but normally in that case the order would be wrong
[23:30] <Eickmeyer> Exactly. I'm going to mark the bug as "Won't Fix" because we have it in a workflow prioritization order more than an alphabetical order. His "not sorted" is intentional in our case.
[23:30] <OvenWerks> it was not meant to be, I actually spent a lot of time making that as generic as possible and it will work with any correct .menu file I have tried
[23:32] <OvenWerks> their bug description is not helpful either... a list of sub menus when correct and when broken would be much better
[23:32] <Eickmeyer> Right.
[23:32] <OvenWerks> (what I see vs. what I hoped to see)
[23:37] <Eickmeyer> Yeah. For instance, GNOME doesn't even use a menu, so they don't care. Xfce, Plasma, and LXQt honor the menu pretty well, though I think, especially in LSQt's case, it gets sorted alphabetically.
[23:38] <Eickmeyer> Budgie has to implement their own system altogether since they're GNOME-based.
[23:40] <Eickmeyer> Not sure what MATE does, but their menu plugins have difficulty conforming if they're not the old GNOME 2 style menu.
[23:44] <OvenWerks> Anyway, I think that is what this bug is about. If I knew which of my many bugs it works with I could mark it as a duplicate of.
[23:46] <Eickmeyer> I marked it invalid. He wants it "sorted" but we have it intentionally in the order we have it in.
[23:46] <OvenWerks> yup.