[00:34] And with that, we already have an item for the backports. [05:17] Eickmeyer: work is also moving on -controls so that will end up there as well [05:17] I am going slow though as I have two boys to keep entertained... [16:11] hey at least you have distractions I am going stir crazy right now stuck at home with everything shut [16:22] Build a boat. " ...there is nothing - absolutely nothing - half so much worth doing as simply messing about in boats" [16:25] heh. in an apartment building so would be hard. also, cant get wood - hardware store is shut [16:26] My 33 year old son and I built a boat in the living room when he was about 8 [16:27] It was fun getting it out the door but we did. [16:28] but yeah you do need the wood [17:36] OvenWerks: I hear that. I've got one boy to keep entertained, but he keeps himself entertained fairly well. [23:09] Eickmeyer: re: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntustudio-menu/+bug/1868410 [23:09] Launchpad bug 1868410 in ubuntustudio-menu (Ubuntu) "Menu->Audio Production is not sorted" [Undecided,New] [23:10] OvenWerks: I'll take a look and see what's up. [23:11] I am not sure which gnome budgie is but I suspect this is actually the system menu file that comes with budgie [23:12] both the gnome 2era and the newer system menu definitions have a bug that causes this... the gnome devs do not care (having moved on to no menu) and those who do deny it is a bug [23:14] Well, I'll see what I've got compared to the order -menu does. [23:16] unfortunately the sample menu definition file at freedesktop.org [23:16] is broken [23:16] Looks like it's sorted for me, so I can't reproduce. [23:16] I'll check the latest ISO too. [23:17] if you look at: https://specifications.freedesktop.org/menu-spec/latest/ar01s08.html you will find close to the top a line: applications-merged [23:18] that line really should be the second line from the bottom [23:18] that is it should be the last line before the last [23:20] That line is missing from studio.menu. You're saying it should be there OvenWerks? [23:21] That line shouold not be in that file. [23:22] It's not. I do know what he's talking about though, but in this case it's sorted in a workflow priority, not alphabetcially. Not a bug, as far as I can tell. [23:22] compare: /etc/xdg/menus/xfce-applications.menu with /etc/xdg/xdg/etc/xdg/xdg-ubuntustudio/menus/ [23:23] the same file. [23:23] We don't touch either of those in ubuntustudio-menu. [23:24] no. that wouold be the wrong package [23:24] It's in -default-settings that we have that. [23:24] yes [23:25] the problem would not be in our package but in the budgie package [23:25] Right, so it's completely irrellevant to us and not a bug. [23:25] compare to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-menus/+bug/1192002 [23:25] Launchpad bug 1192002 in gnome-menus (Ubuntu) "Menu config file merges menus from standard locations too soon so defaults override merges." [Low,Triaged] [23:27] I actually put out bug reports for flavour menu files with this problem [23:27] none have been fixed except maybe xubuntu (and not xfce?) and I have heard that lx may have by now too. [23:28] kubuntu/plasma/kde has always been correct [23:28] No, I tested it, and even if it has the bug, our menus are honored. [23:28] you have budgie too? [23:28] wow. [23:29] I don't think we can rightfully expect other desktop environments to conform to it. -menu is very specific to Xfce. [23:29] yeah the menus would still work, but normally in that case the order would be wrong [23:30] Exactly. I'm going to mark the bug as "Won't Fix" because we have it in a workflow prioritization order more than an alphabetical order. His "not sorted" is intentional in our case. [23:30] it was not meant to be, I actually spent a lot of time making that as generic as possible and it will work with any correct .menu file I have tried [23:32] their bug description is not helpful either... a list of sub menus when correct and when broken would be much better [23:32] Right. [23:32] (what I see vs. what I hoped to see) [23:37] Yeah. For instance, GNOME doesn't even use a menu, so they don't care. Xfce, Plasma, and LXQt honor the menu pretty well, though I think, especially in LSQt's case, it gets sorted alphabetically. [23:38] Budgie has to implement their own system altogether since they're GNOME-based. [23:40] Not sure what MATE does, but their menu plugins have difficulty conforming if they're not the old GNOME 2 style menu. [23:44] Anyway, I think that is what this bug is about. If I knew which of my many bugs it works with I could mark it as a duplicate of. [23:46] I marked it invalid. He wants it "sorted" but we have it intentionally in the order we have it in. [23:46] yup.