[00:38] <jphilips> when will the branching for 20.10 happen?
[00:39] <Unit193> 20.04 gets released, 20.10 gets a name, there's pre-open freeze (initial transitions, bootstrapping, etc.) then the archive is opened.  What do you mean by 'branching' in this context though?
[00:41] <jphilips> using branching in the context of git branching, where master would be 20.10 and 20.04 would be a separate branch, like we currently have master as 20.04 and 19.10 as a different branch
[00:41] <Unit193> For what repo, then?
[00:42] <jphilips> well i guess xubuntu-defaults so i could submit patches for the default i proposed
[01:47] <jphilips> are any of these old FAQs useful these days https://xubuntu.org/news/tag/faq/
[02:16] <jphilips> is changing the .desktop file's label for gnome software from 'Software' to 'Software Manager' or 'Software Store' something doable
[03:14] <jphilips> should we encourage testers to join the xubuntu testers team - https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-testers
[03:56] <jphilips> i've reviewed the help & support webpage - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1qenHqnop4DWne2DsX5nPgaN7xdJLzL6etb0gfBGL6fk/edit#heading=h.fsdgs1i4rdsd
[03:56] <jphilips> knome, pleia2: ^^^
[09:35] <bluesabre> jphilips: RE: faqs, the ones that are not release-specific, definitely.
[09:36] <bluesabre> jphilips: RE: .desktop file, not at this point in the cycle, but yes it's doable (and something Ubuntu did for a while)
[09:38] <bluesabre> jphilips: RE: branching, we wait until the end of the cycle so we don't have to keep 20.04 and 20.10 branches in sync, but you can create your own branch and submit a MR
[10:28] <bluesabre> Unit193: any news on Ayatana indicators making their way into Ubuntu?
[12:07] <jphilips> bluesabre: thanks for the info. does the of the cycle, mean the day the LTS is released?
[12:10] <bluesabre> jphilips: yep, then we branch master into the latest release code name, and continue development in master for the next cycle
[12:36] <jphilips> Unit193: tweet went out 4 hours ago. Let me know how the jump in downloads go
[12:57] <jphilips> people were asking for the 18.04 core iso and i found it online, so maybe consider putting up the torrent file or magnetic link
[12:58] <jphilips> 64bit - https://btdb.io/torrent/7728679d017e596021153147e80bceff2062445f
[12:58] <jphilips> 32bit - https://www.skytorrents.lol/info/ab966a80b1b0568fb351b90a8404dff6ef015951
[13:06] <jphilips> facebook comment: "No offence, but the site looks like a malware or gore site. Perhaps change its style to something a little more trusting and professional to bring new users in. Thanks 👍"
[13:53] <bluesabre> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/elementary-xfce/+bug/1868457
[13:53] <bluesabre> I'll tag the right folks shortly
[14:00] <bluesabre> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/greybird-gtk-theme/+bug/1868459
[14:22] <bluesabre> I'll also try to finish getting the themes into gtk-common-themes
[14:23] <bluesabre> But from what I was experimenting with before, many snaps seem to hardcode adwaita as the theme, and there's not a user-friendly way around that :(
[17:36] <jphilips> bluesabre: we should likely bundle the full adwaita rather than just the base, as its a bad UX to click on it in Appearances when its like that
[17:43] <bluesabre> !info adwaita-icon-theme-full
[17:44] <bluesabre> Yeah, that's not too monstrous, and the depends are tidy enough, https://packages.ubuntu.com/focal/adwaita-icon-theme-full
[17:44] <bluesabre> Unit193: thoughts on including that for -desktop?
[17:47] <jphilips> i chatted with JackFrost about it last week or so
[17:47] <jphilips> it is only 7mb to download and 23mb installed, so definitely not to big
[18:27] <pleia2> jphilips: thanks, I made some comments in the doc
[18:32] <jphilips> pleia2: thanks
[18:37] <jphilips> so for those that dont already know, i've teamed up with the other flavours for a ubuntu testing week starting on the 2nd of april (beta release day)
[18:38] <jphilips> like all the other flavours, we will put out an announcement of this testing session for xubuntu using points found in this google doc https://docs.google.com/document/d/1PVui1kB1JijGCoBPdkrg4P94LS4DozLtEJ37GKWga2E/edit#
[18:39] <jphilips> comments are welcome
[18:45] <jphilips> pleia2: do you have the time to prepare the xubuntu announcement text?
[18:47] <pleia2> it's a month away, so it's not even on my radar yet :)
[18:47] <pleia2> you're welcome to draft something if you'd like though, following the format of past announcements
[18:47] <jphilips> this testing announcement is for the 26th
[18:48] <pleia2> ah, not today, have to go pick up the kiddo in a few minutes
[18:48] <jphilips> not a problem, when you are free is fine. please have a look at the google doc above when you get a chance
[18:49] <Unit193> bluesabre: You mean as far as the Ubuntu ones being dropped in favor of Ayatana?  Really not fond of including an icon theme we don't use though.
[18:52] <Unit193> bluesabre: And I guess there's the answer, add the new dep then Debian will add the gir stuff. :P
[19:43] <jphilips> help page has been updated - https://xubuntu.org/help/
[19:45] <Unit193> Minor nitpick if you so desire, the 'correct' way to spell 'freenode' is with a lowercase 'f'.
[19:45] <Unit193> (Yes I know you didn't introduce that, just noting.)
[19:46] <jphilips> fixed
[20:02] <Unit193> Also, looks like that did bring a few more visitors to the Core site.
[20:17] <jphilips> sweet
[20:18] <jphilips> any thoughts on putting up the 18.04 torrent
[20:19] <jphilips> if anyone wants to recommend a webpage on the site that i should edit text, you are welcome to do so :D
[20:20] <Unit193> Linking to it?  That's likely the correct one, but would be nice to find confirmation in my logs.
[20:21] <Unit193> At least the site seems decent enough (with adblock) it wouldn't be the *worst* thing to link to..
[20:22] <jphilips> no i wouldnt recommend linking to the torrent site
[20:22] <jphilips> you can upload the torrent file to your site or alternatively just give the magnetic link
[20:23] <jphilips> i downloaded the 64-bit but the 32-bit had no seeds
[20:23] <Unit193> Well then, guess that's moot.
[20:24] <jphilips> if you still have the 32-bit iso around, i could seed it
[20:26] <Unit193> I don't, as noted I remove old releases.
[20:29] <jphilips> well thankfully 64bit is still around, which is whats important ;D
[20:29] <Unit193> (As I noted before, Xubuntu Core isn't a "supported LTS release" :>)
[20:30] <jphilips> oh wait, there are seeders
[20:30] <jphilips> i'm downloading it
[20:34] <jphilips> was thinking to send you a patch, but this doesnt look like the download page - https://git.unit193.net/cgit/users/unit193/unit193.net.git/tree/pages/xubuntu/core.txt
[20:34] <Unit193> Yeah it's not.
[20:44] <Unit193> Like I said though, not too keen on linking old releases. :3
[21:10] <jphilips> what do people think about a 2 column download page - https://imgur.com/yUuvtQ3.png
[21:11] <Unit193> How's it look on box screens?
[21:11] <jphilips> box screens?
[21:11] <genii> Not that great
[21:12] <genii> 4:3 ratio screens
[21:12] <jphilips> not sure about 4:3, though very few people have such resolutions these days
[21:15] <Unit193> Not sure if 'very few', but yeah they're not as widespread now.  Though I'd imagine we still get those visitors.
[21:16] <jphilips> do we have any stats counter on the site?
[21:19] <jphilips> okay tested it at 1280 width and still looks fine
[21:20] <jphilips> < 3% use 1024 width https://gs.statcounter.com/screen-resolution-stats/desktop/worldwide
[21:27] <jphilips> "My Nut by bluesabreWife" :D
[21:28] <jphilips> https://xubuntu.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/8af9/My_Nut_by_bluesabreWife-1600.jpg
[21:28]  * Unit193 ponders if this is going to be SFW...
[21:28] <jphilips> yes sfw
[21:28] <jphilips> its a wallpaper
[21:28] <Unit193> (Joking...)
[21:34] <jphilips> does the community menu seems strange to anyone, with sub entries for contact us, brand resources, products, and donate
[21:36] <jphilips> entries under development seem more like they should go under community, so it has sub entries for get involved, developer area, derivatives
[22:09] <ochosi> hm, looking at the wp contest voting and/or results doesnt seem to work 
[22:09] <ochosi> i guess "i'm holding it wrong"
[22:14] <ochosi> oh right
[22:14] <ochosi> i was looking in the wrong place
[22:52] <jphilips> ochosi: any idea when the votes will be finalized so we can announce the winners
[22:53] <ochosi> nope, i just voted a few minutes ago myself
[22:53] <jphilips> anyone else left to vote
[23:31] <bluesabre> Yep
[23:31] <bluesabre> Possibly
[23:32] <bluesabre> Looks like we're up to 5 people having voted
[23:33] <Unit193> So you're saying I should do that...
[23:34] <bluesabre> Yes, please :)
[23:35] <Unit193> There were so many choices, and not a lot of the style I use,  I just put it off. :3
[23:35] <Unit193> !info elementary-xfce-icon-theme unstable
[23:35] <Unit193> > 0.14 is up
[23:47] <ochosi> kewl thanks
[23:48] <Unit193> ochosi: To Debian, specifically.
[23:49] <ochosi> sure, that's much appreciated