[10:04] <gnrp> hrm, I am having a problem with Xubuntu 19.10:
[10:05] <gnrp> Fresh installation, just some packages on top. But still standard lightdm with xfce
[10:05] <gnrp> however, the shutdown/restart buttons are greyed out, suspend is not even shown.
[10:05] <gnrp> all the "old" recommendations are consolekit stuff, but that doesn't exist anymore
[10:06] <gnrp> ah, and the policykit pkla files I found I tried out, but didn't work
[10:06] <gnrp> anybody with an idea on what to do?
[10:06] <gnrp> in lightdm, the shutdown/restart buttons are also greyed out
[10:08] <gnrp> also, when I put the suspend action on the power button via energy manager, it requires me to enter a password when I push the power button before it works
[10:12] <diogenes_> gnrp, run: groups | nc termbin.com 9999
[10:12] <diogenes_> and share the link.
[10:12] <gnrp> diogenes_: https://termbin.com/py5j
[10:14] <gnrp> on my notebook, also on 19.10, shutdown and all that stuff works. There, groups are mostly the same, but due to the installed software (replace lxd by adbusers)
[10:15] <diogenes_> gnrp, did you install on top of the previously saved /home?
[10:17] <gnrp> yep
[10:17] <gnrp> was an 18.04 before
[10:18] <gnrp> (did the same on the notebook btw, where it works)
[10:18] <diogenes_> gnrp, when it comes about troubleshooting issues that occur after an upgrade, first thing i do i create a new clean user to rule out configuration issues.
[10:19] <gnrp> will try. At the moment I was too inpatient and I am upgrading to focal right now^^
[10:19] <gnrp> but yeah, that's a good idea in general, I should follow that
[10:22] <gnrp> and yes, from "something doesn't work" to "using experimental releases" is not very smart. But at least I have some good corona-time now for reporting bugs, heh
[10:23] <diogenes_> so it's called "corona-time" now? maybe "covid-time" :)
[10:25] <gnrp> depends on whether you spend time at home or you spend time drinking beers? ;)
[10:29] <gnrp> diogenes_: So focal does the same, and a new user also has the same issues
[10:29] <gnrp> (as does lightdm, btw)
[10:31] <diogenes_> gnrp, hmm xfce4-session is responsible for that afaik.
[10:48] <gnrp> hm
[10:48] <gnrp> so the action required for the suspend at least is org.freedesktop.login1.suspend-ignore-inhibit
[10:49] <gnrp> how would I allow my user to perform tihs?
[11:12] <gnrp> wohooo, I made it work! :D
[11:12] <gnrp> suspend, hibernate, reboot, all works. Had to grant some of the org.freedesktop.login1 permissions
[11:12] <gnrp> although I am not happy with the result. :(
[11:12] <gnrp> now that I understand it I cannot insult and rant about policykit anymore. That sucks.
[11:13] <gnrp> and this time even the on-board documentation alone was doing ti
[16:57] <xubuntu45w> hello
[16:59] <xubuntu45w> I have strudels downloading applications
[16:59] <xubuntu45w> Can you help me please?
[17:04] <xubuntu45w> the error message is: "It is not possible to install Inkscape: cannot perform the following tasks:"
[20:38] <xubuntu40w> Hi there guys! You might be able to help me out with this one.
[20:39] <xubuntu40w> As you guys know, the images, documents folders have different icons.
[20:39] <xubuntu40w> I added a Games folder, but I can't set a different icon for it, how do i do that? I'd appreciate some guidance.
[20:42] <diogenes_> xubuntu40w, you can make it a link and specify the desired Icon= or right click > properties > emblems, maybe there are other ways too.
[20:44] <xubuntu40w> diogenes: Uh this is weird, but if I click one of the emblems, it unclicks itself.
[20:45] <diogenes_> indeed weird.
[20:49] <xubuntu40w> Any suggestions?
[20:52] <diogenes_> maybe someone else could suggest something, it's too late for me so i'm off, if you won't find anything, come again tomorrow and maybe we could find something.
[20:52]  * diogenes_ is offline
[20:53] <xubuntu40w> Alright, thanks anyways!
[22:34] <DarkTrick> Sometimes when I'm shutting down my computer,some programs hang
[22:34] <DarkTrick> This prevents ubuntu to shut down immediately
[22:35] <DarkTrick> in the shutdown-phase it hangs with a "waiting for a process to finish"-like message. This has a 2 min timeout.
[22:35] <DarkTrick> If 5 apps hang at the time, the computer won't shut down for 10 minutes.
[22:36] <DarkTrick> Q1.) Is there anything I can do (in that situation) to stop the waiting and tell the computer to immediately shut down?
[22:37] <DarkTrick> Q2.) The system won't show which process it's waiting for, until the time is up. Is there any setting, that will make the system show which process it's waiting for?
[22:53] <brainwash> DarkTrick: maybe "sudo systemctl poweroff" will do the job
[22:54] <DarkTrick> brainwash, then I would have to shutdown my system like that all the time. Isn't there any antimeasure when I'm in the situation of a hanging process?
[22:54] <DarkTrick> I would expect something like CTRL+\ to work
[22:55] <brainwash> no idea
[22:56] <brainwash> I guess I would need a reproducer
[22:56] <brainwash> something that triggers your scenario
[22:57] <brainwash> I know that a running Virtual Box instance can block logout/shutdown
[22:57] <DarkTrick> brainwash, hm... that's difficult, I guess
[22:57] <DarkTrick> yes, I also figured that the last time
[22:57] <DarkTrick> my most recent example is a not shutting down mousepad
[22:58] <brainwash> huch
[22:58] <brainwash> interesting
[22:58] <brainwash> probably due to unsaved changes, right?
[22:58] <DarkTrick> I can't tell
[22:58] <DarkTrick> Mousepad was hanging *before* I tried to shut down
[22:59] <brainwash> oh I see
[22:59] <DarkTrick> I opened a file, window opens, but mousepad hangs
[22:59] <DarkTrick> btw: why would a virtual box instance block from logout/shutdown?
[23:00] <brainwash> https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14429
[23:02] <DarkTrick> brainwash, ok, so it's been working on
[23:02] <DarkTrick> I guess I should comeback with my stuff, if I can reproduce it securely
[23:03] <DarkTrick> thank you brainwash!
[23:03] <brainwash> what gives you the impression that someone is working on it? :)
[23:04] <DarkTrick> :D
[23:04] <DarkTrick> because it's in the system
[23:04] <DarkTrick> well.. I was struggeling sending out that sentence :D
[23:05] <brainwash> your case sounds a bit different though
[23:05] <brainwash> I mean you that dialog window with a timeout
[23:05] <brainwash> you get
[23:05] <DarkTrick> In my case Xorg already finished an I'm on TTY1
[23:06] <DarkTrick> It looks like this
[23:06] <DarkTrick> [ **] Waiting for process to finish [ 1s / 1m59]
[23:07] <brainwash> ah okay. that is systemd.
[23:08] <DarkTrick> So 'Systemd is waiting for a process to finish' is the right description I guess(?)
[23:11] <brainwash> I think it is
[23:11] <brainwash> grep Timeout /etc/systemd/system.conf
[23:11] <brainwash> #DefaultTimeoutStopSec=90s
[23:11] <brainwash> but that's 90s or 1m30
[23:11] <brainwash> and you got 1m59
[23:14] <DarkTrick> hm... maybe my eyes played a trick on me...? I'm pretty sure it was 1m59, though
[23:14] <DarkTrick> I will change this time and watch my system for a while
[23:16] <brainwash> you can check the journal entries for the previous boot
[23:17] <brainwash> if persistent logging is enabled
[23:17] <DarkTrick> brainwash, I could, but I would need some guidance for that
[23:19] <brainwash> it is enabled when /var/log/journal exists
[23:19] <DarkTrick> brainwash, does not exist
[23:20] <brainwash> sudo mkdir /var/log/journal
[23:21] <DarkTrick> (funny... there's already stuff in the newly created folder)
[23:21] <brainwash> and with "journalctl -b -1" you can access the log entries from the previous boot
[23:22] <DarkTrick> `No journal files were opened due to insufficient permissions.`
[23:22] <DarkTrick> and with sudo
[23:22] <DarkTrick> "Data from the specified boot (-1) is not available: No such boot ID in journal"
[23:23] <DarkTrick> I guess, I'll leave it like this and the next time I experience the problem, I check there?
[23:24] <brainwash> you didn't reboot yet
[23:24] <brainwash> so there is no previous boot log data
[23:28] <kgb> seems like there's nobody alive in #vbox, what size of partition should I use for Oracle VM - like 10, 20 GB (less?)
[23:29] <brainwash> for what purpose?
[23:29] <kgb> (just need it for messing around, maybe trying to build Firefox with less features. :))
[23:29] <kgb> I mean, I'll use.VDI right so I can expand and all that
[23:29] <DarkTrick> kgb: I would use 20G or even more. And set the option to "dynamically allocated"
[23:30] <kgb> DarkTrick: yessir. that's cool!..:) ty
[23:30] <brainwash> mine is 10GB
[23:30] <kgb> um, encrypt the swap??
[23:30] <brainwash> but I only keep things installed that I need
[23:31] <brainwash> encrypt swap? what you mean?
[23:32] <kgb> the swap partition, should i encrypt it - or just not bother with that?? oh and what RAM... I've got 16GB, is there any need of using more than 2 ?? .o0
[23:33] <kgb> maybe 4GB, if I'll be compiling and all that, yeah?
[23:34] <DarkTrick> kgb: I'm using 1 - 2GB. Works fine for compiling smaller applications. Remember, that you always change those settings :)
[23:35] <kgb> DarkTrick: ugh, sure - bt, it (_always?!?) takes a while to manipulate the partition(s) size(s)?
[23:35] <kgb> hm
[23:36] <DarkTrick> kgb: I was talking about RAM
[23:36] <DarkTrick> That should be changed with a reboot and 10 seconds of mouse clicking
[23:37] <kgb> DarkTrick: well, yeah - the RAM is the actual size of the swap partition, no?! :-o
[23:38] <DarkTrick> kgb: I don't know. I though "swap partition" is for an actual partition. The RAM is only used in case there is no specific 'partition' for swap (setup in /etc/fstab)
[23:39] <DarkTrick> **But I might be wrong**
[23:39] <kgb> hey SRY about all the questions, bt how about CPU number - I'm on a Asus FX505DU laptop with AMD Ryzen 7 3750H
[23:39] <kgb> more than 2, or will two be alright??
[23:42] <kgb> *running it!..:)
[23:44] <DarkTrick> kgb: I'd say, the same thing again: just try and change if necessary :) I personally use only 1 core and it runs fine.
[23:45] <kgb> cool, cool! :D just... I *really* want to build Firefox; maybe even for, like, F-Droid or something
[23:45] <kgb> (for sure for personal use, without a BUNCH of stuff. :))