[01:29] <AlligatorJoe> wow there is only 54 people here with crap video cards that need to run ubuntu mate
[01:32] <AlligatorJoe> i am just checking in...the ubuntu-mate welcome program asks us to check into this channel
[01:33] <AlligatorJoe> i thought there would be more people with crap video cards that would like to use ubuntu mate as a desktop
[01:36] <AlligatorJoe> it seems to make a decent desktop without requiring heavy graphics processing power.
[02:05] <m4t> hey my video card isn't crap!!!
[02:05] <m4t> ;)
[02:08] <AlligatorJoe> well mine is not too good...but it manages to run mate which i am thankful for.
[02:08] <AlligatorJoe> m4t what card do you have.
[02:08] <m4t> geforce 650 ti
[02:09] <m4t> its kinda old tbh
[02:10] <AlligatorJoe> well geforce 650 can run some apps and it may be able to run plasma or gnome3...i don't know because i have not tested that card....but i am thankful that mate exists for poorer video cards like many people have.
[02:12] <AlligatorJoe> consider mate the proletariat version of gnome
[02:13] <m4t> i originally switched because gnome3 wouldn't work on my old thinkpad t42p (circa 2005)
[02:13] <AlligatorJoe> and it is in pretty good shape
[02:14] <m4t> i was using gnome 2.32 but it was discontinued. i prefer the "classic" look to newer gnome look so i stuck with it even if my newer hardware could handle something fancier.
[02:14] <AlligatorJoe> m4t..yes that is what a lot of people are going to run into...that is why i was surprised that only 54 people are here now
[02:14] <m4t> there's #mate too
[02:15] <AlligatorJoe> m4t...oh i did not know about that....the ubuntu-mate welcome app recommends this channel
[02:15] <m4t> i don't think irc users is necessarily representative of total users though
[02:16] <AlligatorJoe> m4t...well maybe not...but it is a number that is readily available as a proxy...for possibly a proportional adjustment
[02:17] <m4t> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[02:18] <AlligatorJoe> m4t hey that is an interesting emoticon...reminds me of the days then games had characters as graphics objects
[02:18] <AlligatorJoe> when not then
[02:18] <m4t> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsu_(kana)
[02:21] <AlligatorJoe> m4t oh ok i see the link....and i guess then that set of characters is a language...well it looks like an emoticon and it reminded me of very early days of the trs80model 1 and the airraid game with character symbols moving around the screen rather than graphically detailed objects
[02:22] <m4t> yeah it's a "shrug"
[02:22] <AlligatorJoe> m4t ok thanks for letting me know
[03:12] <AlligatorJoe> m4t i really like the font setting features in the mate desktop because my eyes are deteriorating and i can read larger text better...so i use ctrl++ a couple of times in the mate terminal and it is very nice but i had to change the colors to get better readability of various types of filenames such as links, directories, files,etc...and i changed the menu title font to 13 or so to get a much easier to read list of
[03:12] <AlligatorJoe> apps....and all in all it is a pretty good desktop...i don't see any weaknesses in it
[03:14] <AlligatorJoe> i really like the ctrl++ in the terminal and it also works in firefox...but in links2 i had to set the font size to 30 and the html font option to 25 or so to get a nice readout of the slashdot website.
[03:15] <AlligatorJoe> i have to use links2 because i have a very slow internet connection most of the time
[03:17] <AlligatorJoe> so i just made a new profile called testing for the mate terminal rather than changing the default in case i needed to go back to it...and i told the mate terminal to use the testing profile on application launch...and it works very well
[03:18] <AlligatorJoe> and the original default is still there in case something ever goes wrong
[03:20] <AlligatorJoe> i also had to change the theme to custom where i made a couple of changes to the traditional theme to get much better readability on things.
[03:20] <AlligatorJoe> and the mate-desktop was able to handle all of that quite well
[03:23] <AlligatorJoe> every so often the brisk menu crashes for various reasons but it seems to be able to recover in every case so far
[03:26] <AlligatorJoe> also i had to compile nautilus anyway because acetoneiso and some other apps only have hookins for nautilus and the kde file manager and thunar...or so...but it really doesn't have any features that caja lacks. ...so caja is just as useful...and i guess i could have made a link to caja called nautilus to solve the hooks issues...but i needed to compile the gnome-builder code anyway so natilus was not difficult once the
[03:26] <AlligatorJoe> builder code was able to compile
[03:28] <AlligatorJoe> of course any changes i make ...anyone is welcome to....as part of the gnu agreement...but so far no one has asked for any files.
[03:35] <AlligatorJoe> there is a small issue and that is the colors of the traditional theme on which the custom theme is based are different from the mate login screen colors which went with the original mate theme....and i guess i will have to locate that jpeg or png or whatever that login screen is and replace it with a matching picture of this new custom theme...but that is not really a problem it is simply cosmetics and can be done
[03:35] <AlligatorJoe> whenever.
[03:39] <AlligatorJoe> and i also noticed that pluma now uses the system font ubuntu mono 14 which seems to work out quite nicely for readability of text files or whatever documents you want to load into pluma and the menus are much more readable as well.
[03:43] <AlligatorJoe> so just like in the final fantasy 9 game ....the Proletariat version of gnome....is basically just as useful as the gnome3 stuff as far as i can tell.
[03:46] <AlligatorJoe> and i really like that it doesn't mess with the sound system so apps like players and DAW apps can have sole access to the also device for better quality work.
[03:46] <AlligatorJoe> alsa
[03:55] <AlligatorJoe> i also made a larger mouse cursor that i could see while moving it around the screen by about 50% larger and that seems to work out much better for me personally.
[04:00] <AlligatorJoe> anyway the key point is that mate accomadated all those types of changes for personal environments that depend on a person's eyesight.
[07:29] <AlligatorJoe> well i won't be able to say much as ubuntu has banned me from the channel so i don't know how long i can use this one before being banned
[07:30] <AlligatorJoe> i'll just go on record to say that mate is in fairly good shape and supports many more video cards than just the latest and greatest.
[07:37] <AlligatorJoe> for those who have better video cards they can run gnome3 or unity3d or plasma.....depending on which chips they buy and which desktops the particular gpu manufacturer supports...but they can also run the less sophisticated mate desktop if they want to.
[07:43] <AlligatorJoe> all that sophistication and snobbery reminds me of the bougoise nobility....which as you know are different than the proletariat...as depicted in final fantasy number 9 game.
[07:45] <AlligatorJoe> or perhaps Jim Croche said it well in his song "Car Wash Blues"
[07:56] <AlligatorJoe> but you would have to speak english to understand the words in Jim Croche's song with regards to high rise society news.
[08:00] <AlligatorJoe> trageically, he was reportedly killed in an airplane crash at a young age but his song remains with us.
[18:31] <skookum> just..wow
[18:44] <Eickmeyer> They were warned several times to keep the chatter in #ubuntu to a minimum and they couldn't.
[21:14] <Guma> Hello, I have problem accessing my local NAS. While back after initial fr ash install (18.04) I was able to access my NAs just fine. I guess somewhere after some updates it stop working.
[21:14] <Guma> When I got to Browse Network I click Windows Network and soon after I get popup dialog box sating
[21:15] <Guma>  Unable to mount location in title bar
[21:16] <Guma> Failed to retrieve share list from server: No such file or directory
[21:20] <sixwheeledbeast> So it's samba share?
[21:20] <sixwheeledbeast> Can you access it from any other devices on the LAN?
[21:27] <Guma> Yes I can access from other machines just fine
[21:27] <Guma> Do I need to apt-get install samba?
[21:27] <Guma> Looks like iti s not installed on my machine that has problem. Not sure why it was removed.
[21:30] <Guma> Ok installed samba. Now I see Windows Networks and icon for my hostname. Now when I enter Window Network I do not get error anymore. But my nas is not listed there. Well actually the list is enpty
[21:31] <sixwheeledbeast> you may have either smbfs or cifs-utils
[21:32] <sixwheeledbeast> I assume you tried rebooting first?
[21:32] <Guma> So should I uninstall samba? I do not need to run server on this machine. I just need to access remote shares
[21:33] <sixwheeledbeast> I think samba is for hosting a samba share, but it shouldn't be an issue.
[21:35] <Guma> ok I installed cifs-utils. Still can not see my share. Do I have to restart some services?
[21:39] <Guma> Do I have to have samba-ad-dc running?
[21:41] <sixwheeledbeast> Maybe just reboot?
[21:46] <Guma> let me try reboot
[22:01] <Guma> That did the trick. sixwheeledbeast thanx.
[22:01] <sixwheeledbeast> no problem