[00:00] <WaV> found the config file in /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections/
[00:01] <WaV> Not sure if it is editable via command-line, but it doesn't matter now I guess.
[00:03] <_Sym_> Bottlecap65, did you "apt-get update" your sources? You could always manually install the dependencies
[00:06] <Bottlecap65> Yea, I did. I'm new to Ubuntu so I'm not completely sure what I'm doing though, what do you mean by manually install the dependencies?
[00:07] <_Sym_> Bottlecap65, I mean use wget to pull the deb files from ubuntu's package website and install them with "dpkg -i *.deb"
[00:08] <Bottlecap65> It says that I require superuser privilege when I run "dpkg -i *.deb"
[00:09] <_Sym_> sudo
[00:10] <Bottlecap65> "cannot access archive "*.deb"
[00:10] <Bottlecap65> sorry, i'm really clueless when it comes to this
[00:10] <Bottlecap65> would it be easier if I installed Ubuntu, then downloaded the Windows 10 .iso and WoeUSB, then just format the drive and install windows?
[00:10] <Bottlecap65> instead of running off of the Ubuntu USB, I mean
[00:11] <_Sym_> Bottlecap65, its been a while since I ran dual boot, but I think you want to intall Windows first and then Ubuntu second
[00:12] <Bottlecap65> I'm not trying to dual boot, I don't actually have an operating system on this computer right now. The only one I do have is Ubuntu on a USB, so I'm trying to install Windows 10 using this
[00:13] <Bottlecap65> I had Ubuntu to troubleshoot a hardware problem from awhile ago, I don't really know how to use it
[00:16] <_Sym_> Bottlecap65, and your issue is you can't get woeusb to install?
[00:16] <Bottlecap65> Yea, basically
[00:17] <_Sym_> Bottlecap65, looks like woeusb is not part of the official ubuntu repository
[00:18] <_Sym_> Bottlecap65, maybe you can add a ppa for it
[00:19] <_Sym_> Bottlecap65, the issue is that your version of woeusb has dependencies that are not in your version of ubuntu
[00:19] <_Sym_> a ppa would solve that
[00:19] <Bottlecap65> Would I need to update Ubuntu?
[00:20] <Bottlecap65> oh
[00:20] <Bottlecap65> How would I go about getting that
[00:20] <Bottlecap65> actually, I think I did that already
[00:20] <Bottlecap65> "sudo add-apt-repository ppa:nilarimogard/webupd8"
[00:21] <_Sym_> yeah
[00:21] <Bottlecap65> then I did sudo apt-get update and sudo apt-get install woeusb
[00:21] <Bottlecap65> But then after the "sudo apt-get install woeusb" I get that error in the pastebin
[00:22] <_Sym_> normally the ppa would solve dependencies if its for your version of ubuntu
[00:23] <Bottlecap65> I'm running 18.04.3
[00:24] <_Sym_> look at packages.ubuntu.com
[00:24] <_Sym_> see if versions you need are available
[00:25] <Bottlecap65> i searched for "woeusb" and it gave 0 results
[00:25] <_Sym_> no, the dependencies
[00:26] <_Sym_> your version of ubuntu does not have the right versions of the dependencies
[00:26] <Bottlecap65> "ppa:nilarimogard/webupd8" right?
[00:26] <sarnold> p7zip-full libwxbase3.0-0v5 libwxgtk3.0-0v5
[00:28] <_Sym_> 18.04 should have those
[00:29] <sarnold> Bottlecap65: do you have universe enabled in your apt sources?
[00:29] <sarnold> Bottlecap65: try something like add-apt-repository universe
[00:30] <Bottlecap65> just added it
[00:30] <Bottlecap65> should I try reinstalling?
[00:30] <_Sym_> apt-get update
[00:30] <Bottlecap65> _Sym_ I checked in 18.04 "Bionic" and webupd didn't show up
[00:31] <_Sym_> the issue is not with webupd, its that you need "p7zip-full libwxbase3.0-0v5 libwxgtk3.0-0v5"
[00:31] <_Sym_> your error shows what version you need
[00:31] <Bottlecap65> sorry, I kinda need to be handheld
[00:32] <Bottlecap65> so then do I do "sudo apt-get install universe"?
[00:32] <_Sym_> it needs to install p7zip-full
[00:32] <Bottlecap65> then install the zip you posted?
[00:32] <_Sym_> and p7zip-full needs libwxbase3.0-0v5 (>= 3.0.4+dfsg) and libwxgtk3.0-0v5 (>= 3.0.4+dfsg)
[00:33] <_Sym_> so just try "apt-get install p7zip-full"
[00:33] <awalis> Bottlecap65: _Sym_: https://github.com/slacka/WoeUSB/issues/311
[00:33] <awalis> have you seen that issue  ?
[00:33] <Bottlecap65> _Sym_ just installed, now what
[00:34] <sarnold> awalis: probably best to ignore that, it appears to be about focal, the development release, not 18.04
[00:37] <_Sym_> Bottlecap65, if p7zip installed now, then retry woeusb intall
[00:37] <sebsebseb> hi
[00:37] <awalis> sarnold: in debian at least, the package name is a bit different, I see "libwxgtk3.0-gtk3-0v5" instead of just "libwxgtk3.0"
[00:38] <lestac_onelove> NickG365 hello!
[00:38] <_Sym_> Bottlecap65, "apt-get -f install" should complete the broken installation process if you solved the dependency issue
[00:39] <sarnold> awalis: oh crud, since I got results on https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=libwxgtk3.0 I assumed I'd gotten the package name right :/
[00:39] <veebull> Where is the best place (file) to put an export statement so that certain environment variables will be set every time I open the terminal?
[00:39] <Bottlecap65> I did "sudo apt-get install woeusb" and it seems to have worked
[00:39] <veebull> e.g. export LDLIBS="-lcs50"
[00:39] <Bottlecap65> which is what I was getting the error on before
[00:39] <Bottlecap65> how do I run it now?
[00:39] <_Sym_> ok
[00:39] <veebull> works, but only for the current session
[00:39] <awalis> veebull: ~/.bashrc
[00:40] <_Sym_> Bottlecap65, ive never used woeusb, but I'm sure there is a guide
[00:40] <veebull> awalis, the main config rc file, not ~/.bash_profile?
[00:40] <Bottlecap65> ah I found it, thank you for the help
[00:41] <lestac_onelove> "universe" is a package or what?
[00:41] <awalis> if my memory is good ~/.bash_profile is for login terminals
[00:41] <awalis> the terminal you open from the desktop environment is not a login terminal
[00:42] <veebull> Ah.  Gotcha, thanks!
[00:42] <awalis> veebull: you're welcome :)
[00:42] <sarnold> lestac_onelove: the ubuntu archive is split into different components -- main is supported by canonical, universe is supported by the community https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Ubuntu
[00:43] <awalis> Bottlecap65: what if you try "sudo dd if=/path/to/win.iso of=/dev/sdX" where X is your usb drive letter
[00:44] <sarnold> I don't think windows does that
[00:44] <sarnold> otherwise tools like woeusb and rufus wouldn't exist
[00:44] <awalis> fair enough ! sarnold
[00:46] <veebull> awalis, hate to say it... but it doesn't appear to work
[00:47] <veebull> FWIW, this is what I'm trying to set:
[00:47] <veebull> https://cs50.readthedocs.io/library/c/#environment-variables
[00:47] <awalis> Bottlecap65: the WoeUSB github issue link I sent suggests to use the CLI to avoid this gtk dependency
[00:47] <veebull> I copy/pasted that into the tail end of ~/.bashrc, reloaded the terminal window... nada
[00:47] <sarnold> veebull: I'd stuff those in the Makefile for the project that needs them
[00:48] <veebull> sarnold, at this point in the class, we're not *to* Makefiles yet
[00:48] <sarnold> veebull: those variables only matter in the context of running make, or other build tools, so no need to rush ahead I guess :)
[00:49] <awalis> veebull: after modifying the .bashrc you have to source it, (close & open the terminal, or type ". ~/.bashrc")
[00:49] <sarnold> veebull: you may need an 'export LDLIBS' in your configs, etc, for other programs to get the variables
[00:49] <awalis> veebull: oh, you did that before sorry
[00:49] <sarnold> veebull: but I still think your best bet is to set them in your makefiles
[00:50] <veebull> awalis, before, I was just typing export LDLIBS="-lcs50" at the prompt
[00:50] <veebull> sarnold, when we get to using makefiles, I probably will ;)
[00:51] <sarnold> veebull: when you get to makefiles, be *very* careful with tabs vs spaces; make recipes use TABS and will not work if you use spaces
[00:51] <veebull> awalis, I've closed and reopened the terminal several times, tried sourcing ~./bashrc, etc.  No go
[00:51] <sarnold> veebull: this bit of advice may not make sense today, but when something doesn't work, double check if you're using tabs or if you're using spaces. it'll make sense then. :)
[00:52] <veebull> sarnold, sounds like another reason to prefer python - spaces for the win! ;)
[00:52] <sarnold> veebull: hah, I'm of the opposite opinion. :) I've spent way too much of my life fixing python programs that used to work fine in previous versions but no longer work in newer versions of Python, but my Makefiles just keep working for decades.
[00:53] <veebull> cool!
[00:55] <bobdobbs> Hi all. I'm using KDE and liking it. There seems to be a small range of music players for KDE. Are any of them far superior to the others?
[00:55] <sarnold> yeah :) I never understood dislike for make.. sure you have to read the whole oreilly book a few times through before you can get it to go, but it's not so bad once you've got it working
[00:55] <awalis> veebull: here's some file the shell may or may not load at launch /etc/profile /etc/bash.bashrc ~/.bash_profile ~/.profile ~/.bash_login ~/.inputrc
[00:57] <en50> bobdobbs, try them all and see which one you like :)
[00:57] <awalis> does anyone here use Qemu ? I've been trying to get android-x86 to launch on it without success
[00:58] <awalis> I used these options "qemu-system-x86_64 -enable-kvm -machine q35 -smp 2 -accel kvm -m 2048 -k en-us -display gtk -vga std -usb -cdrom android-x86_64-9.0-r1-k49.iso"
[00:59] <awalis> instead of displaying the android GUI, all I get is a command prompt
[01:00] <en50> bobdobbs, I use audacious on GNOME. I don't know how GTK integration is in KDE these days, but that's my preferred one. It supports winamp themes, but you can turn that off.
[01:01] <bobdobbs> en50: do you know if it's good for managing music on an connected Android device?
[01:02] <sarnold> awalis: hmm, are you sure an .iso is supposed to get you to a gui?
[01:06] <awalis> sarnold: it has a live CD entry, and install entry
[01:07] <awalis> I went both ways
[01:07] <sarnold> heh, livecd does sound like the kind of thing that ought to give you a gui
[01:07] <awalis> live CD doesn't get my to the GUI
[01:07] <sarnold> is that prompt useful enough to see logfiles? dmesg?
[01:07] <awalis> I even went through the install, on reboot it's the same issue, a land on a command prompt instead of the android GUI
[01:08] <awalis> sarnold: might be :)
[01:12] <s3vla> hey there hows it going? Where should I go to, in order to solve this error: "SUMMARY: libfuzzer: deadly signal" ... "NOTE: libfuzzer has rudimentary signal handler"
[01:16] <Bottlecap65> _Sym_ my computer just crashed and i lost everything since it's on a usb, could you repaste the p7zip thing?
[01:19] <sarnold> Bottlecap65: https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2020/03/24/%23ubuntu.html
[01:20] <Bottlecap65> ah ty
[01:20] <sarnold> s3vla: does it look like that message came as a result of fuzzing something? ie, a bug in whatever it is you're testing?
[01:20] <s3vla> yes
[01:20] <sarnold> well done :)
[01:20] <s3vla> but it only happens on an older machine of mine
[01:21] <sarnold> interesting
[01:21] <sarnold> sometimes a C implemtnation and optimized assembly implementation will be provided for computationally intensive things
[01:21] <s3vla> can only get one single fuzzer to work on that machine ..
[01:22] <sarnold> so you may have found a flaw in the C version that can't be tripped with the assembly version
[01:22] <sarnold> and perhaps the choice of routines is made based on CPU features, either at compile time or runtime
[01:23] <myuser> are there any changes for mdadm in 20.04?
[01:25] <s3vla> yes, that might be something along those lines sarnold ... thing is I have got no idea how to modify it
[01:25] <sarnold> myuser: the View Full Changelog link here may be helpful https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mdadm
[01:25] <s3vla> is that even possible? if so what should I learn?
[01:26] <sarnold> myuser: it's a bit confusing since there's changelogs from several releases interleaved together, but it'll have a fair amount of information without forcing you just read the sources immediately, hehe
[01:26] <sarnold> s3vla: it depends upon what you're fuzzing
[01:26] <sarnold> s3vla: it'll probably take some source code changes though, fuzzing is a bit more work to do well than I expected
[01:28] <s3vla> sarnold thanks for the tip!
[01:31] <en50> bobdobbs, I don't think it can do what you're looking for. Sorry
[01:59] <RoseBus> hello friends, i just uninstalled a lot of stuff on windows to shrink the partition and expand my ubuntu partition
[01:59] <RoseBus> i'm trying to make ubuntu my main mode from now on
[02:00] <RoseBus> so far i've noticed a significant increase in battery life :)
[02:00] <banyantree> do you like to remove windows completely or just set the default value in your bootmanager like grub
[02:00] <banyantree> ?
[02:00] <RoseBus> i still need windows for microsoft office
[02:00] <banyantree> hahah
[02:01] <banyantree> just like me
[02:01] <RoseBus> yea
[02:01] <RoseBus> what a shame this libre-office has come so far but can't compete with msoffice
[02:02] <banyantree> what do you miss?
[02:02] <RoseBus> vba
[02:02] <banyantree> i dont miss anything
[02:02] <banyantree> hmmm
[02:02] <banyantree> javascript
[02:02] <banyantree> same shit
[02:02] <banyantree> but only other language
[02:02] <RoseBus> collaborating with others
[02:02] <sarnold> but half the financial software in the world is in vba
[02:02] <banyantree> yes!!
[02:02] <sarnold> good luck converting it
[02:03] <banyantree> thats a good point
[02:03] <RoseBus> and downloading macro-enabled *.xlsm files
[02:03] <banyantree> haha
[02:04] <RoseBus> for example nvidia's pinmux for their jetson nano comes in .xlsm format
[02:04] <sarnold> what's a pinmux, what's a jetson, and ewww nano, the first package I uninstall on any ubuntu system :)
[02:05] <RoseBus> lol
[02:06] <RoseBus> pinmux is basically configuring the hardware pinout on the jetson nano (small board comparable to raspberry pi but loaded with a nice GPU)
[02:06] <banyantree> ah
[02:06] <RoseBus> so you edit the excel file and click the button and a macro will generate a hardware tree file
[02:06] <banyantree> what stuff are you going to develope?
[02:06] <RoseBus> "device tree"
[02:06] <RoseBus> i think
[02:07] <RoseBus> i was working on a silly project to detect vehicles using a camera mounted on a bicycle
[02:07] <RoseBus> nothing spectaculat
[02:07] <banyantree> sounds very cool!
[02:07] <sarnold> neat
[02:08] <RoseBus> it's a pain in my but
[02:08] <RoseBus> butt*
[02:08] <RoseBus> senior design project
[02:23] <RoseBus> hello, i'm having trouble configuring my bluetooth headset with ubuntu
[02:23] <RoseBus> i'm using bose soundlink
[02:23] <RoseBus> i think it uses pulseaudio
[02:38] <JoakimZiegler> Hello, I'm having some problems installing Ubuntu Server 19.10 on an AMD Threadripper / ASUS Prime TRX40-Pro motherboard with an NVidia Geforce GT1030 GPU. Basically, the installer hangs right after enumerating USB devices. Using "Safe Graphics" or manually adding nomodeset to the GRUB options doesn't make any difference.
[02:39] <JoakimZiegler> Is there some known problem I should be aware of?
[02:39] <theobald> ‏could someone send me ubuntu.css , i messed up mine
[02:39] <sarnold> JoakimZiegler: maybe try one of the focal daily images, I've heard something about amd better supported in the upcoming release
[02:40] <theobald> ‏18.04.2
[02:41] <JoakimZiegler> sarnold: I was actually considering those, because ideally I want this box to end up on an LTS version anyway. Are those images fairly stable now?
[02:42] <theobald> ‏usr -> share -> gnome-shell -> theme -> ubuntu.css
[02:42] <sarnold> JoakimZiegler: I'm not sure; the kernel I'm running has some seriously frustrating issues, but I haven't rebooted into a newer kernel lately.
[02:43] <JoakimZiegler> sarnold: Hm, might just give it a try, not much to lose I guess.
[02:43] <sarnold> JoakimZiegler: and I think a transition between gnome versions is underway at the moment, so the desktop may have its own issues (I run i3wm, so no idea how much that affects the system)
[02:43] <sarnold> JoakimZiegler: good point :)
[02:43] <JoakimZiegler> sarnold: Is there a daily server image? I don't really need/want any desktop stuff on this.
[02:43] <sarnold> oh right, ubuntu server, then the gnome transiotn probably doesn't matter
[02:44] <JoakimZiegler> Or alternatively, can I use the desktop image and just install minimally to avoid the desktop stuff?
[02:44] <sarnold> JoakimZiegler: try this http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/daily-live/current/
[02:44] <JoakimZiegler> sarnold: Ah, excellent, thank you.
[02:45] <JoakimZiegler> I'll try that, this is just a simple production server that will eventually host critical infrastructure VMs, so no reason not to try some daily builds. :)
[02:45] <sarnold> lol
[02:45] <sarnold> JoakimZiegler: but still, if you can report bugs, that'd be sweet :)
[02:45] <theobald> ‏could someone send me /etc/alternatives/gdm3.css from 18.04.2
[02:45] <JoakimZiegler> sarnold: I might well, in a high-pitched keening voice.
[03:17] <JoakimZiegler> sarnold: That worked and installed, at least. I'll report bugs if I find any. Thanks for your help.
[04:34] <alesan> hello, I have a command called "mplayer" installed from the regular ubuntu apt.
[04:35] <alesan> if I type mplayer [TAB] [TAB] it does NOT SHOW ANYTHING even if there are several files in the current directory. why is tab completion not working?
[04:35] <alesan> it works in the other cases
[04:35] <alesan> ???
[04:55] <enriooooooo> getting sslexception from terminal even when ca certificate is present.
[05:12] <nomad_fr> hi, my screen locker is strange, it lock when I close my lid but don't blank it ... when I open my lid my screen seems not block but I have to type my passwd and enter to unlock ... it's like I have a transparent lock screen
[05:40] <drbean_> What's the equivalent to RedHat/fedora's alternatives, originally a debian script to allow sys admin to swap in and out commands with the same functionality under a common name. Like 'editor' for 'vim' or 'emacs'.
[05:40] <drbean_> Or 'mta' for 'sendmail' or 'exim' or 'postfix'
[05:41] <drbean_> I tried googling for alternatives ubuntu and all I got was alternative distributions.
[05:48] <frickler> drbean_: update-alternatives
[06:35] <exit70> does 18.04 (lightdm, unity) auto load ~/.Xmodmap ?
[08:11] <Bluerate> I need to run vpn for Ubuntu 18.04 ... I tried openvpn but with no success, I am confused with server and client configuration of openvpn, how to work with openvpn on a local machine?
[09:00] <JimBuntu> Bluerate: I don't use 18.04, so I'm not sure how different it would be. Are you trying to use openvpn to HOST a VPN service, or so you can connect to a remote VPN service?
[09:04] <JimBuntu> Bluerate: If using it to connect to a remote VPN service, you should be able to run something like `sudo openvpn --config /path/to/config.conf --allow-pull-fqdn` and that will establish your connection from the command line. Assuming you already have a properly created config file to use. The config file could also end with .ovpn instead of .conf
[09:05] <JimBuntu> Bluerate: I will not see/hear an alert when you reply, so anyone else is welcome to help with follow-up questions
[09:53] <davros> I got my 'spare machine' working yesterday but i do have the residual question - is there a way to install a bootable ubuntu distro onto a second hard-drive on a machine running ubuntu
[09:53] <eliyahuTBR> morning all. some of you may remember me from the past several days. i've been having promlems w/ sound output. i found a work around that if I ran pulseaudio from terminal and went into the sound settings in the GUI and selected my headphones as output it (more or less) worked. However, today in the gui all that shows up is "Dummy Output". What can I do?
[09:54] <eliyahuTBR> and a thank you to everyone who has helped me recently.
[09:54] <davros> (e.g for the scenario where you have an old version with data, and a new HD, and you want to install a new version on the new HD and move some files across)
[09:54] <eliyahuTBR> I can't WFH w/o music
[09:56] <JimBuntu> sure davros. For the scenario you describe you can go the more simple route of changing drive boot order in BIOS. I have a machine like that. multiple drives, but not a normal multi-boot set up.
[09:59] <davros> JimBuntu, yeah i've been able to change boot  order, use the boot menu, or even just swap the damn cables :)
[10:00] <davros> but with my current knowledge i can only actually install ubuntu from a USB stick (the "sticking point" yesterday was that the older machine in question was refuding to boot of USB. i had to install on a HD transplanted from another machine)
[10:00] <davros> (i fixed my problem by doing a fresh install on another machine, then just moving the drive over physically)
[10:01] <davros> So the question is would there be a way to just download a distro, put a new HD in a spare drive-slot, then say "Install this distro to the second drive, and make that drive independently bootable"
[10:09] <eliyahuTBR> progress.
[10:09] <eliyahuTBR> I have but a single, easy to answer question. How do I get pulseaudtio to always run on boot up?
[10:09] <eliyahuTBR> or start of session, or whatever.
[10:22] <Timbo> when I look at /etc/resolv.conf, I see that my dns server is 127.0.0.53, not (as I would expect) the DNS server that my DHCP returns
[10:22] <Timbo> what is providing 127.0.0.53, and how do I flush its cache so that it resolves newly created upstream DNS records?
[10:36] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:12] <Mibix> trying to figure out how to add tiemstamps to my terminal in 18.04, anyone know a quick way these google results keep telling me to edit ~/bash.rc and i dont have that file
[11:17] <BluesKaj> MibixFox, maybe it's the hidden file  ~/.bashrc
[11:18] <BluesKaj> err Mibix^
[11:26] <Mibix> i mean i tried gedit ~/.bachrc and it seems empty
[11:26] <Mibix> err bash.rc
[11:27] <Mibix> oh ok nvm .bashrc worked lol
[11:27] <Mibix> ty
[11:28] <BluesKaj> np
[12:03] <Hamilton> Audio playback is distorted on 18.04.
[12:05] <BluesKaj> check your alsamixer and pavucontrol and media player volume levels
[12:08] <lestac> hello, every time start ubuntu i have pop up: problem has detected in a program of the system
[12:08] <lestac> where i can see report?
[12:09] <pragmaticenigma> lestac: /var/crash is where reports are saved
[12:09] <Hamilton> BluesKaj, There are fine. What should I check in them? I don't have this distortion problem in VLC or FF
[12:10] <BluesKaj> Hamilton, which player distorts?
[12:10] <pragmaticenigma> Hamilton: It might help if you explained what "distortion" means to you. It has different meanings to different people. Some might say low volume is distored, or the pitch is wrong. The more information you give us, the better volunteers can help troubleshoot
[12:10] <lestac> how open that files? (or what can do with that?)
[12:11] <Hamilton> BluesKaj, Clementine and Strawberry. Both are using gstreamer
[12:11] <pragmaticenigma> any text editor will be able to look at them lestac
[12:11] <Hamilton> pragmaticenigma, It's like radio noise when you can't find channel
[12:11] <pragmaticenigma> Hamilton: Static?
[12:11] <Hamilton> pragmaticenigma, yes
[12:12] <Hamilton> But it's very subtle. Also one time it completly went static
[12:12] <lestac> well, i don't have permissions to open files
[12:12] <BluesKaj> Hamilton, those player volume levels must be overloading the inputs
[12:14] <pragmaticenigma> lestac: Is this not your computer?
[12:14] <lestac> sure, that is
[12:15] <BluesKaj> static isn't distortion, it's usually called RF intereference
[12:15] <egrain> cups printer keeps disabling itself. lpstat -t says unknown reason. happened yesterday, happened again today. i know how to activated it using the 631 interface, but is there a command?
[12:16] <BluesKaj> interference even
[12:45] <emx> Hi. When I plug in my headphones into my laptop (yes, the 3.5 mm jack) then sound is still routed to the laptop speakers. How can I have it redirected to the headphones? (Same issue with the microphone)
[12:47] <ioria> emx,   enable   alsamixer -> automute ?
[13:17] <gebbione> hi folks, my Ubuntu 18.04 keeps me alive by not working well with my double screen setup. It is mirroring and the screens are not present in the settings. I tried removing (it was already there ) GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="nomodeset" and this made no difference. Anything else i can try? I also have GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="acpi=force"
[13:18] <akem> gebbione, Tried arandr?
[13:18] <gebbione> is that a grub option?
[13:18] <pragmaticenigma> I don't think acpi has much to do with your monitors, that's mostly related to power saving/distribution features in the firmware. More details about your setup would be needed to further troubleshoot accurately
[13:19] <gebbione> sure happy to provide more, I am just unsure on what changed recently
[13:19] <akem> gebbione, No it's an app to configure screens. Try it: sudo apt install arandr
[13:19] <gebbione> i also tried booting the older kernel
[13:19] <gebbione> i have 2 installed
[13:19] <gebbione> but made no difference
[13:20] <pragmaticenigma> gebbione: "details" mother board manufacture, system manufacture, graphics card manufacture,... all the details you can provide about your setup will help
[13:20] <gebbione> is there a neat way to run a command and pastebin it somewhere?
[13:21] <akem> gebbione: your_command 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999
[13:22] <pragmaticenigma> I'm giving up ... gebbione I'm asking for some simple information ... and you're doing everything to avoid posting it. sorry
[13:23] <gebbione> arandr sees only one screen
[13:24] <akem> gebbione, With some setups, i noticed for the 2nd screen to be nicely detected, it's good to plug it at the loggin screen then power it up. Then login once detected.
[13:25] <Nyle> akem: don't need bash redirection unless the program doesn't print to stdout by default
[13:25] <akem> Nyle, It's still interesting to have both stdout and stderr, we never know.
[13:25] <Nyle> akem: Perhaps
[13:26] <Nyle> you can try xrandr -q to see what xrandr sees. Arandr only works on top of xrandr
[13:26] <Nyle> randr extention does not work with Xinerama or Twinview etc
[13:26] <Nyle> So no custom xorg with 'device' config params.
[13:27] <Nyle> If your xorg.conf is not empty, make it empty and let randr discover whatever is there
[13:27] <gebbione> pragmaticenigma, it is an 18.04 desktop Gigabyte  X58A-UD3R with an I7 and 12 GB of RAM. It has a Juniper XT [Radeon HD 5770]
[13:27] <Nyle> gebbione: how many monitors are reported when you type 'xrandr -q'
[13:28] <gebbione> Nyle only one... but it is powering and displaying on both of them
[13:31] <Nyle> That's not good.
[13:31] <Nyle> what's your video driver?
[13:31] <Nyle> official ati or open source?
[13:32] <gebbione> i dont have a custom one, the radeon card should work with the kernel ones
[13:32] <Nyle> So open source drivers?
[13:32] <gebbione> yes
[13:32] <ubone> how to make gnome's shell theme white like in the gnome classi session
[13:32] <Nyle> Have you thought about trying fglrx (ATI linux drivers official)
[13:33] <Nyle> Which would probably let you configure dual head
[13:33] <gebbione> I am regularly installing updated, i wonder what broke it as it might have been something in the last update
[13:33] <Nyle> If xrandr only sees one display, there is nothing you can do.
[13:33] <pragmaticenigma> ubone: https://www.gnome-look.org/
[13:33] <Nyle> You need to use the proper driver and configure it properly afaik
[13:33] <gebbione> Nyle, usually nomodeset works but not at the moment
[13:33] <Nyle> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/AMD
[13:33] <gebbione> and i think fglrx is something i tried in the past
[13:34] <ubone> it's obsolete
[13:34] <Nyle> nomodeset is not relevant here.
[13:34] <Nyle> neither are any acpi related functions on your gpu
[13:34] <gebbione> it was last time i had a problem, once set in grub my double screen worked
[13:36] <Nyle> Were you using the framebuffer driver?
[13:36] <pragmaticenigma> ubone: Themeing your gnome shell is not on topic here. I provided you a link to a resource where you can find themes. there are plenty of online tutorials on how to make your own theme.
[13:37] <Nyle> Previously, setting up the video card was the job of the X server. Because of this, it was not easily possible to have fancy graphics in virtual consoles. Also, each time a switch from X to a virtual console was made (Ctrl+Alt+F2), the server had to give control over the video card to the kernel, which was slow and caused flickering. The same "painful" process happened when the control was given
[13:37] <Nyle> back to the X server (Alt+F7 when X runs in VT7).
[13:37] <Nyle> With Kernel Mode Setting (KMS), the kernel is now able to set the mode of the video card. This makes fancy graphics during bootup, virtual console and X fast switching possible, among other things.
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[13:37] <Nyle> What it would have to do with dual head or not, and wheather xrandr sees one or more displays, I don't follow.
[13:38] <emx> ioria, Now I hear sound through headphones and speakers. If I mute "Speaker" in alsamixer I have no audio at all. Any ideas why?
[13:38] <Nyle> Try the amdgpu drivers and see if X can see more than 1 monitor
[13:39] <Nyle> The proprietary AMD Catalyst driver does not support KMS. You have to use the amgpu or ati catalyst drivers anyway.
[13:39] <Nyle> Anyway, KMS is not an issue or factor.
[13:42] <Nyle> Though if KMS is disabled, some Xorg drivers are problematic.
[13:44] <gebbione> i thought all those drivers are obsolete for 18.04
[13:44] <Nyle> https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/v4.15/gpu/drm-kms.html#overview you can read more here
[13:46] <Nyle> gebbione: Then I'm sure you can find the current driver for your gpu.
[13:50] <ducasse> gebbione: how are the screens connected?
[13:54] <gebbione> ducasse, i think the cable type is called dvi if not wrong
[13:54] <gebbione> and i see this error https://termbin.com/qplr
[13:58] <ducasse> you've tried booting with radeon.modeset=0?
[14:01] <gebbione> ducasse i m readying about that, do you know how to add it to the grub file ? is it radeon.modeset=0 or another way
[14:03] <ducasse> add that to the line that starts with GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT= in /etc/default/grub and run update-grub
[14:03] <ducasse> put it inside the quotes
[14:05] <gebbione> thanks, i ll try now and reboot
[14:06] <ducasse> you can forget about fglrx, it's been obsolete for years and won't work on 18.04, radeon should be the driver you need
[14:14] <oerheks> paraxial, fix your vpn, thanks
[14:15] <mrproper> I am running Ubuntu Workstation on VMware Fusion. When I turn on HiDPI mode, no wallpapers render. However, when I use Kubuntu HiDPI mode works fine.
[14:21] <oerheks> paraxial, fix your vpn, thanks
[14:22] <oerheks> paraxial, fix your vpn, thanks
[14:24] <akem> I think you can just ignore him. He's not in front of his machine.
[14:24] <akem> Hm looks like ignore don't hide join/part...so forget what i said :P
[14:25] <ducasse> !quietirc
[14:25] <oerheks> he is using 3 ways, so he is there
[14:28] <Bromite> guys why aren't my systemd service logs files persisting for my application?
[14:29] <pragmaticenigma> Bromite: Can you elaborate more? where are you looking, how are you trying to view the logs?
[14:29] <oerheks> Bromite, who can tell, with such sparse information?
[14:29] <oerheks> what application?
[14:31] <hggdh> paraxial: please fix your connection
[14:31] <hggdh> paraxial: please fix your connection, or we will have to block yo
[14:32] <Bromite> pragmaticenigma, oerheks: so i'm runing a go app, and i've set up logging in a systemd service file, but i don't think the log is persiting
[14:32] <Bromite> i.e. when i stop the app, the file disappears
[14:34] <pragmaticenigma> Bromite: You might want to consult a forum that is dedicated to Go programming... they might have better suggestions for you
[14:36] <Bromite> thanks
[14:36] <gebbione> About my dual screen problem, i tried updating drivers, nomodeset or radeon.modeset=0 grub options make no difference :/ not sure what else to try
[14:36] <benfrancis> Why do the docs on Ubuntu Core refer to /var/log/syslog which doesn't seem to exist? Did the logs get moved? https://docs.ubuntu.com/core/en/guides/intro/security
[14:37] <gebbione> benfrancis, it is there for me -> Mar 24 14:36 /var/log/syslog
[14:38] <pragmaticenigma> gebbione: Ubuntu Core is a base for an IoT platform
[15:08] <gebbione> any other suggestions on how to fix a dual monitor setup not being detected suddenly? I tried a few grub options like adding an removing "nomodeset" (it was already added in the option when working fine), tried installing AMD graphics drivers, switching to lightdm and also tried adding option radeon.modeset=0 in GRUB but I am still unable to get the dual screens working. They are just mirroring and also CairoDock is
[15:08] <gebbione> moved to the right and not visible in the middle so it goes out the screen.
[15:09] <oerheks> so, the 2nd screen works, just mirroring?
[15:10] <gebbione> yes and it is not visible in the settings
[15:10] <oerheks> there is a setting in systemsettings > devices > displays for that
[15:10] <oerheks> 'join displays'
[15:11] <gebbione> it was working yesterday. Something in the updates for yesterday must have caused it but I dont know what it was. I usually blindly install them
[15:11] <gebbione> oerheks, no it is not there
[15:11] <gebbione> thats the problem
[15:12] <oerheks> i would go back to GDM for this
[15:12] <akem> gebbione, Try with 19.X live USB.
[15:12] <gebbione> you mean configuring back to GDM or a channel for GDM
[15:13] <gebbione> i was using gdm too
[15:13] <gebbione> akem i can try that but then what would i do if it works? update to 19 ?
[15:13] <gebbione> upgrade*
[15:13] <akem> Yeah, that's what i'd do.
[15:14] <oerheks> no, fresh install, to avoid those changes
[15:14] <gebbione> fresh install is a nightmare for me
[15:14] <akem> Fresh install is easy, just backup your home directory.
[15:14] <oerheks> one thing in my mind says this only happens when 1st monitor is oninternal gpu, and 2nd on pci card
[15:15] <oerheks> oh boy, freshinstall a nightmare,... you already have a nightmare though
[15:15] <ducasse> gebbione: can you pastebin the output of 'xrandr'?
[15:16] <ChadTaljaardt> Is there any benifit to building stuff from source as opposed to the APT repo?
[15:16] <pragmaticenigma> ChadTaljaardt: Primarily.. the biggest different is packages you build will not be supported here
[15:17] <ducasse> ChadTaljaardt: use the repos unless you *need* a newer version that is not available elsewhere
[15:18] <pragmaticenigma> ChadTaljaardt: Unless you have a specific reason to build your own software, the version available in the repos will be fine for everyday use. Know that software may not have the latest version as Ubuntu looks to stability instead of latest, though all patches and security fixes are applied. If you must have the latest version, you should see if the application is available as a Snap.
[15:18] <oerheks> ChadTaljaardt, that was more than 10 years ago, dedicated config is faster..
[15:19] <ChadTaljaardt> Hmm
[15:19] <monojamoon|> hello everyone, dual booted ubuntu on my system and I am consistently getting these errors [https://pastebin.com/q36sQxhC] in kern.log ... any idea how to resolve it?
[15:20] <doug16k> ChadTaljaardt, if you used a mainline kernel and that broke `perf` because the kernel didn't match, then rebuilding perf from source would fix it. you wouldn't then go ask for support on that config though :D
[15:20] <oerheks> use past.ubuntu.com please, i have no javascript enabled
[15:20] <ChadTaljaardt> So we have a weird situation, we have a script that automatically configures ubuntu servers as webservers for our software, but management is scared about installing stuff from APT incase there is a update to a package which breaks things, so theyre wanting me to manually download and make a script to configure absolutely everything, including things like wget, autoconf, ca-certificates, curl..
[15:20] <ChadTaljaardt> seems pointless to me, i think getting it from APT is appropriate
[15:21] <akem> monojamoon|, I think you need the boot parameter "pci=noaer".
[15:21] <pragmaticenigma> ChadTaljaardt: If that is their concern, your company should have a staging environment, where your software runs like it would in production, but where you apply updates before you apply them in the production
[15:21] <ChadTaljaardt> idk what to do really, they are so scared about getting the latest versions of these package from APT incase there is security issues or incase the API changes etc
[15:22] <ChadTaljaardt> We do have staging environments, but because the software isnt version pinned, when we do create a production environement the package might have been updated since
[15:22] <monojamoon|> @akem .. ok! thanks.
[15:22] <ChadTaljaardt> we are not using disk images etc, so everything is installed fresh when a new instance is needed
[15:22] <akem> monojamoon|, Np.
[15:22] <pragmaticenigma> ChadTaljaardt: Since this really isn't a support question, let's please move this conversation to #ubuntu-discuss please
[15:22] <ChadTaljaardt> sure thing
[15:23] <monojamoon|> I'll check how to add it :)
[15:23] <gebbione> ducasse https://termbin.com/fz10
[15:25] <littlekimmy> i get permission denied when downloading on another partition who's owner is root
[15:25] <littlekimmy> and group too is root
[15:25] <oerheks> ChadTaljaardt, no testing setup for these issues??
[15:25] <littlekimmy> so how can i make firefox dowload the file, should i run firefox as rooot
[15:26] <akem> monojamoon|, Edit /etc/default/grub and there is a line GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="..."
[15:27] <oerheks> littlekimmy, sure, run as root .. i would chown to my user, or make a group and add myself to access that another partition
[15:27] <NorthwestVegan> littlekimmy, if it were me, id change the download location to be owned by your non-root user
[15:27] <monojamoon|> cool ... :)
[15:27] <akem> Add the parameter pci=aer at the end, before the closing '"'.
[15:27] <monojamoon|> checking..
[15:28] <akem> monojamoon|, Then you need to update grub, with "sudo update-grub" IIRC
[15:28] <akem> And reboot.
[15:28] <littlekimmy> how do i add myself user to root group? is it safe
[15:28] <monkeyisl> hi, how could i set ppp0 is always the default network available? even i plugged eth0
[15:28] <monkeyisl> when i reboot, i mean
[15:29] <gebbione> is grub not getting update if update-grub is not run?
[15:29] <pragmaticenigma> littlekimmy: you've been told before, trolling is offtopic here
[15:29] <oerheks> littlekimmy, that is not what i wrote., nor NorthwestVegan
[15:29] <oerheks> yeah, i got that idea too, pragmaticenigma
[15:29] <monojamoon|> @akem, it has this line
[15:29] <monojamoon|> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash"
[15:30] <monojamoon|> I should add that parameter after splash, right?
[15:30] <akem> monojamoon|, GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash pci=noaer"
[15:30] <monojamoon|> will do
[15:35] <akem> monojamoon|, When booting, at the grub screen when choosing Windows or Linux you can press "e" on Linux, to double check that "pci=noaer" is actually defined in the parameters, then F10 to boot.
[15:37] <monojamoon|> sure thing, akem. just saving a couple of things and will test it :)
[15:38] <monkeyisl> i have one service that send udp packets via ppp0. but the system as also eth0, i wanna the service will look up ppp0 only and fails, and retry until ppp0 shows up. how coudl i do it? should i route table priority?
[15:39] <jayjo> for the last few months, the software updater has told me that there is a LVVCM C++ Compiler that is 3+KB that I cannot install. It's available on every software update, says it's a anecssary update, but it's not checked and is unable to be checked. Is there a way I can upgrade this. Is it a security vulnerability?
[15:42] <lotuspsychje> jayjo: can you pastebin the whole apt output please, so volunteers can take a look for you?
[15:43] <oerheks> use past.ubuntu.com please, i have no javascript enabled
[15:47] <pavlos> typo ... paste.ubuntu.com
[15:47]  * oerheks edits the hotkey
[15:47] <oerheks> thanks
[15:57] <littlekimmy> oerheks: which cmd to do that to add myself to another group/and to add that group...whatever you meant
[15:57] <littlekimmy> it's not safe to run firefox as root?
[15:57] <littlekimmy> my main / partition is full.... what to do
[15:58] <littlekimmy> i am not even trolling and called me that
[15:59] <oerheks> tons of examples 'chown partition to user'  .. what have you found sofar?
[15:59] <littlekimmy> ?? what did you mean i should do
[16:00] <littlekimmy> so you said- you didn't say that i should add myself to root group
[16:00] <oerheks> no, again, that is not what i wrote.
[16:00] <littlekimmy> what did you mean then god
[16:00] <oerheks> i never ask anybody to add to the root group, that is silly
[16:01] <littlekimmy> yes, then what did you mean, as the partition cannot have two groups
[16:01] <oerheks> oke, 1 free example: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/454962/mounting-volume-partition-with-permissions-for-user
[16:01] <littlekimmy> only root group is present
[16:01] <littlekimmy> mounting is easy
[16:02] <pragmaticenigma> littlekimmy: as you have been told on numerous occassions... this channel is for support only. you do not currently have a support issue. instructions on how to use your computer is not the topic of this channel. If you can't follow the rules and read the room topic, then you will be asked to leave
[16:06] <monojamoon|> @akem, thanks mate! that error has disappeared :)
[16:07] <oerheks> monojamoon|, yay!
[16:08] <monojamoon|> :)
[16:09] <akem> Great ;)
[16:09] <monojamoon|> Is it normal that every 2-3 minutes something or the other keeps popping up in kern.log
[16:09] <monojamoon|> Now this keeps coming up: https://pastebin.com/DD5DGEv5
[16:10] <monojamoon|> I have my doubts that I have installed Ubuntu correctly.
[16:11] <revmoo> I have a server that has been untouched since installing 18.10 I just tried to use apt and I'm getting all 404s. What broke and how do I fix it?
[16:12] <revmoo> The repository 'http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu cosmic Release' no longer has a Release file.
[16:12] <ducasse> revmoo: 18.10 is eol
[16:12] <oerheks> Remy^, nothing broke, 18.10 is EOL, dead, upgrade please
[16:12] <revmoo> wtf?
[16:12] <oerheks> !eolupgrade
[16:12] <oerheks> please, keep the language family friendly, kiddo
[16:14] <akem> monojamoon|, No, but is it continuous? It's all the same time here, are you using multiple screens?
[16:17] <monojamoon|> akem, nope. Not multiple screens. I think it came up after logging into the system, another time when I altered the system's resolution.
[16:20] <akem> monojamoon|, If it just happens once at login, or when you change resolution or something like that, i think you can ignore it, just check it is not flooding the logs / I don't really know about NVidia drivers, please use https://paste.ubuntu.com/ for pasting, maybe someone else will have an idea about it.
[16:24] <monojamoon|> The logs aren't being flooded with it. It shows up after certain periods of time and that too (I think) after certain event.
[16:26] <akem> monojamoon|, I would just ignore that if everything works, it's not labeled as error or warnings.
[16:28] <monojamoon|> oops! Got disconnected. Hope I didn't miss out on any pings :)
 monojamoon|, I would just ignore that if everything works, it's not labeled as error or warnings.
[16:28] <monojamoon|> ok :)
[16:30] <akem> monojamoon|, Is it an Acer predator?
[16:30] <monojamoon|> yes
[16:30] <akem> Ok, cool.
[16:31] <monojamoon|> this is my third attempt at getting a successful dual boot :P
[16:31] <monojamoon|> so far ... its OK :)
[16:32] <akem> Good you got it working :) I got dual boot too, but i very rarely boot Windows nowdays.
[16:33] <monojamoon|> oh! I keep windows to play video games! otherwise I like Ubuntu for my dev work
[16:35] <greatgatsby> I don't think I've dual-booting in over 15 years.  VMs all the way :-P
[16:35] <celphi>  how do i give multiple users full access to one directory only. key note: the directory is a webroot directory, so some files are root:root and some are root:nginx
[16:35] <greatgatsby> *dual-booted
[16:36] <monojamoon|> greatgatsby, I don't want to share my RAM. Don't know why but I don
[16:36] <monojamoon|> *I don't get a happy feeling with VMs. :)
[16:36] <pragmaticenigma> celphi: you don't... users should commit their stuff to a deployment folder and one person handles merging the files to the server
[16:37] <monojamoon|> Not just RAM, every resource on the computer.
[16:38] <snake-venom> i am trying to setup Virtual host on my ubuntu 18.4 desktop..
[16:38] <snake-venom> but after all steps its throwing "Unable to connect"
[16:43] <greatgatsby> snake-venom, not that I'll be able to help, but I'm not sure what you're talking about.  "Virtual host"?  What is that?
[16:43] <greatgatsby> connect to what?
[16:49] <zmagii> sup
[16:49] <lotuspsychje> zmagii: what can we do for you?
[16:49] <zmagii> what is the best way to format external drives in xfce?
[16:50] <zmagii> there doesn't seem to be a "disks" program
[16:50] <zmagii> should i just install it?
[16:50] <lotuspsychje> zmagii: you could try gparted
[16:50] <zmagii> lotuspsychje: also not installed by default, should I?
[16:51] <lotuspsychje> zmagii: your choice what to install on your system
[16:51] <zmagii> maybe a stupid question, sorry, but i am still being cured from macOS
[16:51] <oerheks> install gparted or gnome-disks-tool?
[16:52] <zmagii> can you install gnome-disk-tool on xfce?
[16:52] <greatgatsby> zmagii, if you're comfortable on the CLI, you just need cfdisk and mkfs.<fs-type>
[16:54] <zmagii> greatgatsby: i am happy to do it on the cli
[16:54] <zmagii> let me try cfdisk
[16:54] <zmagii> another question: can i format it to exfat, or is that difficult?
[16:55] <oerheks> sure
[16:55] <oerheks> install exfat-fuse and exfat-utils
[16:55] <oerheks> restart the disk utility, and voila
[16:56] <greatgatsby> mkfs.exfat /path/to/partition
[16:56] <zmagii> greatgatsby: only that?
[16:56] <greatgatsby> after partioning of course
[16:56] <zmagii> ok, what is the command to partition?
[16:56] <greatgatsby> you just need cfdisk to setup your partions, then mkfs.<fs-type> to format
[16:57] <zmagii> ok
[16:57] <greatgatsby> cfdisk /path/to/device
[16:58] <oerheks> not sure cfdisk pulls in the exfat stuf ..
[16:58] <greatgatsby> oh, the package you need?
[16:59] <greatgatsby> yeah, cfdisk isn't responsible for formatting, just partitioning.  You'll need exfat-utils, as you mentioned
[17:01] <oerheks> exfat-fuse and exfat-utils
[17:02] <monojamoon|> Hey guys, I would love to get well versed with inner workings of Ubuntu and Linux. I love how you guys just look at the logs and know which module might be malfunctioning. Is this [https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/installation-guide/s390x/index.html] the correct place to start? Any other resource (possibly books) you would like to recommend?
[17:02] <zmagii> if it already has an EFI system partition, do i leave that?
[17:03] <greatgatsby> why exfat-fuse?  Genuinely curious.  If I'm not using fuse, why would I need that package?
[17:04] <oerheks> you need it, to mount the exfat partition
[17:04] <oerheks> just the tools is not enough.
[17:05] <snake-venom> i am trying to setup Virtual host on my ubuntu 18.4 desktop..  but after all steps its throwing "Unable to connect"
[17:05] <pavlos> zmagii: you dont have gnome-disks ?
[17:06] <zmagii> pavlos: no, but i can install it
[17:06] <greatgatsby> oerheks, I see, does that mean exfat is not built into the kernel?
[17:06] <zmagii> so in cfdisk it says filesystem: exfat but it says partition type: Apple HFS/HFS+
[17:07] <oerheks> Nope, not yet. plans are made to do so
[17:07] <gebbione> just to let you know, nomodeset in grub was causing my problem of a malfunctioning dual screen system
[17:07] <zmagii> oerheks: should i change the partition type? I don't even know what that means in this case as it seems formatted as exfat already now
[17:07] <gebbione> working now without it
[17:08] <akem> I would install gparted even if fine with CLI, it's cool to visualize partitions etc sometimes.
[17:08] <akem> Gnome-disks is very basic i think.
[17:08] <zmagii> akem: i did install gparted, but it doesn't seem to see that i installed exfat-utils
[17:09] <akem> zmagii, You don't have exfat in the list, or is it grayed out?
[17:10] <zmagii> akem: greyed out
[17:11] <zmagii> but i did manage to partition it using the command mkfs.exfat
[17:11] <zmagii> so it's correctly formatted now. i am just a bit confused why there is a parameter called "partition type" in cfdisk
[17:12] <greatgatsby> zmagii, not to bike-shed, but cfdisk does the partitioning, and mkfs does the formatting (creating a filesystem).  So if a device is only partitioned, it has not been formatted.  FYI, not trying to be rude.
[17:13] <akem> Hm, i can't seem to use exfat in my gparted either though i have installed it.
[17:13] <zmagii> greatgatsby: so i left the partition the way it was. I just formatted it from HFS/HFS+ Apple to exFat
[17:14] <zmagii> it was partitioned into an EFI file system and then the large partition was Apple HFS/HFS+
[17:14] <greatgatsby> zmagii, partition type 7 is for HPFS/NTFS/exFAT, so you can select that type before formatting
[17:14] <akem> Ha exfat not yet supported in gparted other than moving or copying. :(
[17:14] <akem> So you better know the CLI way in fact for that.
[17:15] <zmagii> So in my cli gui there are only names, FreeBSD Vinum, Apple HFS/HFS+, Apple UFS and so forth
[17:18] <greatgatsby> cfdisk --version  ?
[17:20] <akem> Why not using regular fdisk? You can type L for types IIRC then the number ID you want.
[17:20] <Hamilton1> I'm using polybar which needs .pcf fonts. I just copied them to a directory I made inside /usr/share/fonts/my-fonts. Is it enough?
[17:22] <greatgatsby> was just going to say the same, on my older Fedora box, I don't see exfat in cfdisk, but do with fdisk.  I just find cfdisk a nicer commandline experience.  Here's a exfat/fdisk tutorial:  https://appuals.com/how-to-format-a-drive-as-exfat-on-linux/
[17:23] <greatgatsby> the cfdisk on my ubuntu 18.04 machine lists exfat, FWIW
[17:23] <zmagii> cfdisk from util-linux 2.34
[17:24] <oerheks> pcf fonts is so old, they seems to need compression.gz ?
[17:25] <greatgatsby> hrmmm.. actually I'm not 100% sure why exfat does or does not show up, investigating now
[17:27] <greatgatsby> ahh, it's the label type
[17:27] <greatgatsby> gpt -> not exfat, dos -> exfat
[17:27] <greatgatsby> *no exfat
[17:31] <Hamilton1> oerheks, I found one instruction : `sudo rm /etc/fonts/conf.d/70-no-bitmaps.conf && fc-cache`
[17:31] <Hamilton1> Why is it needed? Why Ubuntu disables bitmap fonts?
[17:32] <oerheks> it does not.
[17:32] <oerheks> pcf fonts is so old, they seems to need compression.gz ?
[17:32] <oerheks> not even mentioned at the font wiki
[17:33] <Hamilton1> oerheks, I see that rule in my conf
[17:33] <zmagii> are you guys discussing fonts because of that Windows vulnerability?
[17:34] <lotuspsychje> !discuss | zmagii
[17:34] <greatgatsby> so according to the googles, gpt drives can't be formatted exfat (for windows)
[17:34] <Hamilton1> zmagii, no, polybar needs a damned font for its symbols
[17:34] <oerheks> zmagii, it is from an app outside our repositories
[17:34] <zmagii> oh, so just coincidence
[17:34] <zmagii> there was a discussion on HN about fonts being programatically generated
[17:34] <TJ-> fontconfig (2.13.1-2ubuntu1) disco; urgency=medium
[17:34] <zmagii> and then blah blah blah Mr Freeman
[17:34] <TJ->     - Add 07_no_bitmaps.patch:
[17:34] <TJ->       + Install 70-no-bitmaps.conf
[17:35] <TJ->  -- Sebastien Bacher <seb128@ubuntu.com>  Fri, 25 Jan 2019 15:39:42 +0100
[17:35] <pragmaticenigma> zmagii: please, this is a support channel... discussions in #ubuntu-offtopic or #ubunut-discuss
[17:35] <oerheks> oh wait, there is a snap https://snapcraft.io/install/polybar-git/ubuntu
[17:35] <zmagii> pragmaticenigma: sorry, i was just trying to follow the convo
[17:38] <zmagii> oerheks: so i had to go and partition on macOS just because i had to get it to work. But i'll read more about cfdisk to understand it properly.
[17:39] <zmagii> it seems like i did partition to exfat, but something was still wrong
[17:39] <zmagii> deleting and redoing partitions didn't seem to work (in cfdisk) but i was unsure what to do with the EFI partition
[17:40] <greatgatsby> zmagii, it seems making a "universal" exfat device is not straight forward:  https://matthew.komputerwiz.net/2015/12/13/formatting-universal-drive.html
[17:41] <Hamilton1> oerheks, yeah it;s edge I used  ppa:kgilmer/speed-ricer
[17:41] <pavlos> zmagii: I suggest you use gparted, wipe the disk, create partition, format ntfs (which has exFAT) and you should be ok.
[17:42] <Hamilton1> So any ideas why Ubuntu does this? http://i.imgur.com/Tr80HwW.png
[17:42] <Hamilton1> And any side-effects if I remove it?
[17:42] <zmagii> greatgatsby: pavlos: thanks guys, i am slowly learning, unlearning, relearning
[17:42] <Hamilton1> http://i.imgur.com/7wfarFj.png
[17:43] <greatgatsby> seems gdisk will to GPT+exfat  <shrug>  Nothing's ever easy :-P
[17:44] <greatgatsby> zmagii, np, and sorry it wasn't as straight forward as I thought it would be.  If it was ext4 or xfs or whataver, it's a 2 minute job to partition and format a drive.
[17:44] <oerheks> Hamilton1, contact that PPA owner?
[17:44] <oerheks> !ppa
[17:44] <oerheks> we do not really like to support others mistakes, while we have no influence on it
[17:44] <Hamilton1> oerheks, it's not about PPA. Ubunut by default has this rule on /etc/fonts/conf.d
[17:44] <sarnold> Hamilton1: oh interesting, that's the first I've noticed that
[17:45] <oerheks> nice
[17:45] <Hamilton1> Actually I'm on Xubuntu but polybar instructions say that it is Ubuntu that does this
[17:45] <sarnold> Hamilton1: *probably* it's because fonts like fixed and similar would be TERRIBLE for documents and so on
[17:46] <Hamilton1> sarnold, well if I choose a bitmap font, yeah that's on me...but why does it exculde it
[17:46] <sarnold> probably to make the list of fonts reasonable-sized, heh
[17:46] <sarnold> but yeah, I could see wanting to use terminus for something :D
[17:47] <oerheks> one can file a bugreport, if you can reproduce it.
[17:50] <shinobi_> Are there any changes to mdadm from 18.04 to 20.04?
[17:50] <zmagii> greatgatsby: just one last comment. according to that URL you posted, it looks like the correct type should be "microsoft basic data"
[17:50] <oerheks> shinobi_, ubuntu+1 for 20.04 until release
[17:52] <greatgatsby> zmagii, ah, and that is a gpt option with cfdisk.  Thanks :-)
[17:53] <greatgatsby> so it depends on gpt/dos whether it's "ms basic data" or "exfat/and/friends"
[17:54] <zcontra> ls
[17:54] <zcontra> w
[17:55] <oerheks> not tru, exfat can be used on legacy mbr too
[18:29] <greatgatsby> I was just saying the options are difference but there in cfdisk, depending on if you choose gpt or dos.  With GPT, pick "ms basic data" and with DOS pick "HPFS/NTFS/exFAT"
[18:31] <greatgatsby> although I certainly admit I'm not a filesystem gur
[18:31] <greatgatsby> *guru
[18:31]  * greatgatsby has a wireless keyboard that's at its EOL
 Remy^, nothing broke, 18.10 is EOL, dead, upgrade please
[18:33] <Remy^> huh?
[18:33] <banisterfiend> hi guys, anyone here have an understanding of how the 'resolvconf' utility works? i'm having great problems with it
[18:34] <oerheks> !18.10 | Remy^
[18:34] <oerheks> *was*
[18:35] <oerheks> 9 months to test it.
[18:47] <Remy^> oerheks, i didnt say anything ?
[19:00] <preyalone> Who's joining the BOINC hackathon? We're fighting COVID-19, no programming required.
[19:02] <MonkeyDust> preyalone: there's also folding@home
[19:03] <preyalone> 👍
[19:06] <sarnold> preyalone: are CPUs remotely useful for the task? or is this a GPU-only thing?
[19:08] <stevelanday> Hey guys, brand new to ubuntu IRC, need help fixing dual boot partition issues with osx/ubuntu, i may not be in the right place but perhaps you have suggestions on who to talk with or what better room to try etc
[19:08] <sarnold> this is probably as good as any
[19:08] <sarnold> if you describe where you're stuck, what's happening, what you expectred to happen, hopefully someone'll know what's up
[19:09] <stevelanday> I'll give this a try then, thank ya!   let me compose a clear description and then i'll post shortly.
[19:10] <MonkeyDust> stevelanday: try to keep it in one line
[19:11] <stevelanday> one line?  hmmmm, ok.  So i'm only a little familiar the finer details of mac osx boot stuff, so I'll explain how I got to the place Im at
[19:11] <dirtycajunrice> So i just got a new set of headphones that are only a minor revision different than my current headphones but its not detecting the mic. Any way to force it?
[19:12] <dirtycajunrice> i can see the mic in arecord
[19:13] <stevelanday> I Started a tutorial to add dual boot to a macmini.   I created a new small partition on the internal osx drive, and i stopped before completing because I was afraid I was about to wipe my osx data.
[19:14] <stevelanday> I somehow installed ubuntu onto my external, and with it attached it boots, but problem is, i can no longer see or boot macosx.
[19:14] <stevelanday> I'm trying to recover the OSX boot ability, and afraid I dont know what I'm doing, and dont want to wipe the osx stuff
[19:15] <EriC^^> stevelanday: hey, are you booted in ubuntu right now?
[19:16] <stevelanday> YES , i'm booted and using ubuntu now.  I can also boot osx recovery and use diskutil but I dont want to mess anything up there before I know what to do.
[19:17] <MonkeyDust> stevelanday: reboot, the when you see No Signal, hold the Alt key
[19:17] <MonkeyDust> then*
[19:18] <MonkeyDust> stevelanday: EFI is Linux, choose the other
[19:19] <EriC^^> stevelanday: try what MonkeyDust is suggesting, see what happens
[19:20] <stevelanday> I will lose this ichat connection when I try, should I just do it and then rejoin to update you guys?
[19:20] <stevelanday> Also, i'm on an apple keyboard and dont see an ALT key
[19:21] <sarnold> https://store.storeimages.cdn-apple.com/4982/as-images.apple.com/is/MLA22LL?wid=2000&hei=2000&fmt=jpeg&qlt=95&op_usm=0.5,0.5&.v=1496944005839
[19:21] <sarnold> control option and command. cripes, it's been too long since I'd used my old apple keyboard
[19:22] <stevelanday> to be clear, i'm to reboot holding all three keys, right?
[19:22] <sarnold> no
[19:23] <sarnold> I was just hoping by saying the names of the three funny keys someone else here woul dhave known off-ahnd which one runs as the alt key. heh.
[19:23] <stevelanday> gotcha
[19:23] <sarnold> I think I'd try command first and if that doesn't work, then try option, then last control
[19:23] <Xard> option is alt
[19:23] <stevelanday> its the option key
[19:24] <Xard> in my macbook pro 2013 the "option" is still labeled as "alt"
[19:24] <Xard> don't know when they changed that
[19:24] <stevelanday> sorry, i see that now.  its little.  ok i'll give this a try and return  with results.
[19:27] <Xard> seems like at 2017 the "alt" label was removed, source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Option_key
[19:31] <jayjo> I mentioned an error earlier with LVVM C++ Standard Library update that is 3 KB and I can't select it to update in the software updater. I can just take a screenshot of this, but what's the correct way to try this update so I can get logs to paste here?
[19:31] <sarnold> sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade
[19:32] <oerheks> try full-upgrade ?
[19:33] <dirtycajunrice> No thoughts on USB Headset/Mic Combo headset visible but mic not?
[19:34] <sarnold> dirtycajunrice: sorry, not from me, never tried linux bluetooth
[19:35] <stevelanday> I'm back. Holding ALT while restarting gave me two drive options, 'EFI Boot' and 'WINDOWS'. I chose 'windows' and was present with "No bootable device - insert boot disk and press any key"
[19:37] <sarnold> MonkeyDust, EriC^^, any ideas for stevelanday? ^^
[19:38] <EriC^^> stevelanday: type 'sudo parted -ls | nc termbin.com 9999' and paste the link it gives you here, it'll show your partitions
[19:39] <oerheks> dirtycajunrice, so the mic is visable in arecord?
[19:39] <stevelanday> sudo parted -ls | nc termbin.com 9999
[19:39] <stevelanday> Error: /dev/sdc: unrecognised disk label
[19:39] <oerheks> sure you hve the correct soundcard selected? open terminal: alsamixer; hit F6; select soundcard
[19:40] <EriC^^> stevelanday: any link?
[19:41] <dirtycajunrice> oerheks, https://termbin.com/sxr8i
[19:41] <oerheks> dpends where you put the headset in ..
[19:41] <stevelanday> response was: Error: /dev/sdc: unrecognised disk label
[19:41] <dirtycajunrice> card 0 is the old one. Card 1 is the new one. they look... identical (sans the name) ad the new one has a 1/1 subdevice
[19:42] <oerheks> you know haow to change it now, test them all/
[19:42] <dirtycajunrice> and that was the first thing i did with F6. i get  annot load mixer controls: Invalid argument
[19:42] <EriC^^> stevelanday: ok, how about 'lsblk | nc termbin.com 9999'
[19:42] <EriC^^> stevelanday: make that, "lsblk -f | nc termbin.com 9999"
[19:43] <dirtycajunrice> (the error is when i try to switch to the new headset not initially)
[19:43] <oerheks> is it a headset on usb? or a one plug/3way connector?
[19:43] <dirtycajunrice> USB.
[19:44] <dirtycajunrice> USB wireless. The "changes" from the first version to this is 7.1 audio is an option. thats it
[19:44] <dirtycajunrice> so i dont understand why it wouldnt just use the same drivers if it had nothing new
[19:44] <stevelanday> Eric: lsblk -f response is: https://termbin.com/igsa
[19:48] <EriC^^> stevelanday: hmm
[19:49] <stevelanday> If I wasnt clear during my initial problem description, i only have UBUNTU installed on an external drive, not the internal mini drive. unplugging the external drive and booting the mac gets me nothing.
[19:49] <EriC^^> stevelanday: currently ubuntu is installed sdb, however it's using the efi partition on sda, and swap there too
[19:49] <stevelanday> would it help if I give what diskutil sees from my mac osx recovery boot?  I remember it showing one partition, and talking about linux swap or something
[19:49] <EriC^^> stevelanday: type 'sudo gdisk -l /dev/sda | nc termbin.com 9999'
[19:49] <EriC^^> i want to find out if the internal hdd is sda or sdc
[19:50] <stevelanday> gdisk reply is: https://termbin.com/vs8m
[19:56] <jalepenoftw> Hi there! I've been working on an open source project (https://FreePN.com) for a few months and wanted to get some feedback! FreePN is a Linux-first (Ubuntu included) open-source peer-to-peer VPN project.
[19:56] <jalepenoftw> (Since it's a p2p VPN, we allow users to decide what categories of traffic they're comfortable hosting (i.e. file-sharing) -- wrote up explanations for this and other common questions here: https://freepn.com/pages/faq.html)
[19:56] <jalepenoftw> We're working on launching in about a month and if you're interested in the project, I'd really appreciate it if you'd join our waitlist at https://freepn.com! Thanks for your time!
[19:56] <oerheks> jalepenoftw, please don't spam here
[19:56] <oerheks> nice project, talk about it in #ubuntu-discuss  or something
[19:58] <jalepenoftw> Thanks! Will check out #ubuntu-discuss
[19:59] <EriC^^> stevelanday: how big was the internal hdd?
[19:59] <zmagii> sup again
[19:59] <shinobi_> I'm using gparted to copy paritions from one drive to another. After the copy I am comparing the partitions with cmp. They show differences. Does anyone have an idea as to why? I previously ran the badblocks write test on the destination drive and there were no errors reported.
[19:59] <EriC^^> stevelanday: also can you run "sudo gdisk -l /dev/sdc | nc termbin.com 9999" ?
[19:59] <zmagii> somewhat esotheric question, but is it possible to "recover" a bootcamp partition when you replace macOS with ubuntu?
[19:59] <zmagii> the bootcamp partition is a windows partition
[19:59] <zmagii> or, used to be
[20:00] <EriC^^> shinobi_: is the partition table the same on both?
[20:00] <EriC^^> or at least the exact size of the partition where the fs is
[20:01] <stevelanday> Eric, internal macmini HDD size is 500gb< i think, i can recheck that if you need me too.
[20:01] <stevelanday> Eric, gdisk -l reply is: sudo gdisk -l /dev/sdc | nc termbin.com 9999
[20:01] <stevelanday> sorry
[20:01] <zmagii> i guess this could be a hardware question, but would be nice if you can solve it from the main OS, the ubuntu partition
[20:01] <stevelanday> https://termbin.com/gje3
[20:01] <EriC^^> stevelanday: ok, if you care about the data on your macmini, firstly type "sudo umount /boot/efi; sudo swapoff -a"
[20:02] <stevelanday> I do care about the data so, here goes...
[20:02] <EriC^^> stevelanday: it seems it's been overwritten with swap, the more swap is being used the more it's being written to
[20:02] <shinobi_> IriC^^: It copies fine so I would assume so. I'm not getting a message from gparted saying there is not enough space. However, the destination drive is 512 sector size and the source is 4k.
[20:03] <stevelanday> Eric, I entered sudo umount /boot/efi; sudo swapoff -a , reply was just a command prompt
[20:03] <EriC^^> shinobi_: can you pastebin 'sudo parted /dev/sdx unit s print' for both disks?
[20:04] <EriC^^> stevelanday: ok that's good, first let's get rid of the swap and efi partition being mounted, cause that can potentially write over your stuff, type 'sudo nano /etc/fstab'
[20:04] <stevelanday> eric, response was:
[20:04] <stevelanday> # /etc/fstab: static file system information.
[20:04] <stevelanday> #
[20:04] <stevelanday> # Use 'blkid' to print the universally unique identifier for a
[20:04] <stevelanday> # device; this may be used with UUID= as a more robust way to name devices
[20:04] <stevelanday> # that works even if disks are added and removed. See fstab(5).
[20:04] <stevelanday> #
[20:05] <EriC^^> stevelanday: please dont paste in the channel, the bot will unquiet you in a min, for long pastes use a pastebin site like http://paste.ubuntu.com
[20:06] <stevelanday> ok thanks, sorry, still new at this. shall i paste what i got there?
[20:06] <EriC^^> stevelanday: no worries, actually open another terminal, and type 'cat /etc/fstab | nc termbin.com 9999'
[20:06] <EriC^^> it'll paste it for you and give a link back
[20:07] <EriC^^> stevelanday: do you have a backup of your stuff btw? it's possible you won't be able to get your stuff back fully as it was right now
[20:07] <stevelanday> Eric, response was: https://termbin.com/zftp4
[20:08] <EriC^^> stevelanday: ok, add a "#" before UUID=2860-11F4  /boot/efi, so it becomes #UUID=28.....
[20:08] <stevelanday> i have an older backup somewhere i think.  Could i also copy that drive as it is now for future hopes to gain back access?
[20:08] <EriC^^> same for UUID=4e5e0ca0-5cb5-4200-bb76-19ad4c84c294 none            swap, make it #UUID=4e5e0ca0-5cb5-4200-bb76-19ad4c84c294 none            swap
[20:09] <EriC^^> stevelanday: i didnt understand your last sentence
[20:09] <EriC^^> stevelanday: you mean you want to copy the older backup over this one?
[20:10] <stevelanday> Eric, lets go back because I'm not a little lost.  Last thing I did was enter: cat /etc/fstab | nc termbin.com 9999  and the response was: https://termbin.com/zftp4
[20:10] <stevelanday> i AM a little lost
[20:11] <stevelanday> haha!  not "not" urgh
[20:11] <EriC^^> :D
[20:11] <EriC^^> stevelanday: ok, in the sudo nano /etc/fstab , window
[20:12] <EriC^^> do you see the line that says "UUID=2860-11F4  /boot/efi" ?
[20:12] <stevelanday> Eric, ( i'm only suggesting that I can copy the entire macmini drive to a new thumbdrive, in the hopes that if I lose stuff I may be able to recover later), sorry for my uinclarity. :)
[20:13] <stevelanday> ERic, ok hold on let me look. I think I understand now.:D
[20:13] <EriC^^> stevelanday: ah i see, yeah that would definitely be a good idea to do in a sec
[20:14] <stevelanday> ERIC!  YES ! I see the UUID=2860-11F4 etc
[20:14] <EriC^^> firstly though let's make sure ubuntu doesnt touch the drive for now, then copy it, then try to recover and see what can be done
[20:14] <EriC^^> stevelanday: ok, add a "#" at the start of the line to comment it out
[20:14] <EriC^^> (rendering it disabled)
[20:16] <stevelanday> Eric: by "add a # to the start..", do you mean  i should add the # so it now looks like this? #UUID=2860-11F4  /boot/efi       vfat    umask=0077      0       1
[20:16] <EriC^^> yes stevelanday, exactly
[20:17] <EriC^^> stevelanday: do the same for the last line, UUID=4e5e0ca0-5cb5-4200-bb76-19ad4c84c294 none            swap
[20:18] <Mrhubris> question, i've remapped my music folder (in home dir) to another location. in the GUI it's working as it should but when i ssh into the machine that folder is again empty. I edited this file ~/.config/user-dirs.dirs
[20:18] <stevelanday> Eric, i've added the #s, but have not entered them with a return key or anything, did I do this correctly?
[20:18] <stevelanday> Eric, so both lines have a # in front of them
[20:21] <stevelanday> question about xchat, how are you guys using the xchat interface to select the person you wish to reply to?  like when eric replies to me, his text is in red and formatted with my username and a :   am I blasting the whole channel with my replys to eric?  sorry, still learning.
[20:21] <EriC^^> stevelanday: you type a few letters of the nickname, then press tab to tab-complete it
[20:22] <EriC^^> stevelanday: everything you type here is public on the channel, but if you type the nickname in the line, my client will highlight it in red and notify me someone used the nickname
[20:22] <akem> I think you should switch to Hexchat.
[20:23] <stevelanday> ok thanks
[20:23] <pavlos> if you type E then tab you will see all nicks that start with E. If you continue and type r, you will see nicks starting with Er ...
[20:23] <EriC^^> yeah, xchat is not maintained anymore stevelanday
[20:24] <EriC^^> stevelanday: anyways, if you are done putting the "#"s, press ctrl+o to save the file
[20:24] <stevelanday> EriC^^, press control along with a ZERO or an O?
[20:25] <oerheks> Mrhubris, i guess that is only valid for the user, i am looking for system wide setting..
[20:26] <EriC^^> stevelanday: an O
[20:26] <stevelanday> akem, hexchat it is
[20:26] <stevelanday> EriC^^, sorry, is that an Ohhhhh, or a zero?
[20:26] <EriC^^> stevelanday: an oh
[20:26] <oerheks> Mrhubris, yes, edit /root/.profile  for system wide change
[20:27] <stevelanday> OhhhH! :D
[20:27] <EriC^^> :D
[20:27] <mfilipe> is there anyway to record mic from gnome's embedded screencast?
[20:27] <Rxlizard> Hey I am running 16.04 and this morning I went to ssh into it and it wont even connect but the web panel I installed onto it is up and running anyone know some common issues with this I have tried a reboot still nothing wont let me even connect just session timed out.
[20:28] <stevelanday> EriC^^, I pressed control and an O and hit enter, it looked like it did something, and returned me to the /etc/fstab stuff
[20:29] <EriC^^> stevelanday: great, press ctrl+x to exit
[20:29] <stevelanday> EriC^^, done! back at a prompt
[20:29] <pavlos> Rxlizard: is sshd running ?    ps -ef | grep sshd
[20:29] <oerheks> mfilipe, not in the basic screencast, simplescreenrecorder, kazam and such, can
[20:29] <EriC^^> stevelanday: ok, type 'cat /etc/fstab | nc termbin.com 9999' to confirm everything
[20:30] <stevelanday> EriC^^, cat /etc/fstab | nc termbin.com 9999
[20:30] <stevelanday> sorryu
[20:30] <stevelanday> EriC^^, https://termbin.com/54qd
[20:32] <EriC^^> looks great
[20:32] <EriC^^> stevelanday: ok, now's the time to backup your /dev/sda
[20:33] <stevelanday> EriC^^, (a side question here for my learning, are the terminal codes your giving me, automatically posting the results somewhere where you can see them?  Because thats COOL!
[20:33] <EriC^^> it's about 500GB
[20:33] <EriC^^> stevelanday: yeah they are, yeah it's pretty handy
[20:35] <stevelanday> EriC^^, excellent!  ok, I'll get this 500g drive copied, I have a super large flashdrive here somewhere.  Is there a simple command I can enter that will do all the work for me?
[20:35] <stevelanday> EriC^^, , actually i have a 1tb ssd i can hook up and use
[20:35] <mfilipe> oerheks, I'm looking for some application which works with wayland
[20:35] <EriC^^> stevelanday: yeah, well you'll want to mount the drive/ssd first from the filemanager
[20:35] <oerheks> mfilipe, oh oke, no clue what will work
[20:36] <oerheks> try some? write an article about it on askubuntu?
[20:36] <stevelanday> EriC^^, thanks.  I'll work on this now, probably will take a couple hours, I can return here once its copied.
[20:36] <EriC^^> stevelanday: then type "sudo dd if=/dev/sda of=/path/to/mounted/ssd/myhdd.backup bs=4M conv=notrunc && sync"
[20:37] <EriC^^> stevelanday: you'll want to replace the of= part with where you mounted the ssd
[20:37] <EriC^^> stevelanday: no problem, ok
[20:37] <stevelanday> EriC^^, you mean IF= or OF=?
[20:37] <EriC^^> of=
[20:37] <stevelanday> gotcha
[20:38] <stevelanday> EriC^^, so your original string has an if=, was that a typo and should have been an of=?
[20:39] <stevelanday> EriC^^,
[20:39] <stevelanday> EriC^^, sorry, my miostake
[20:40] <stevelanday> EriC^^, i see it now
[20:41] <EriC^^> stevelanday: no worries
[20:41] <Mrhubris> so, what's the correct way of remapping folders inside the home dir to another location?
[20:42] <Mrhubris> i've done so by editing this file ~/.config/user-dirs.dirs
[20:42] <galaxie> Hello, I was wondering what would happen if I use tmpfs and swap is disabled and there isn't enough RAM - would it just throw some sort of partition full error or what?
[20:42] <Mrhubris> it worked when i'm on the desktop itself but when log into the machine over ssh (same user) the folder is empty
[20:43] <stevelanday> Thanks so much you guys, i really appreciate your expertise and knowledge. I'll return later with updates.
[20:56] <sarnold> galaxie: it depends upon which operations are in progress and can't proceed due to low memory conditions -- maybe a malloc() call or C++ new call will fail, maybe a function call wn't be able to grow the stack automatically, maybe a fork() or an exec() call will fail, maybe directory listings will start to fail..
[20:57] <sarnold> galaxie: basically no software is prepared for memory allocations to fail, so it'll be very confusing when it happens
[20:57] <sarnold> galaxie: probably nothing will just tell you "out of memory"
[21:35] <doug16k> problem with out of memory handling is, normally overcommit is enabled, so it generally can't fail at the point where memory is allocated. later, when the program touches that memory, at that point it allocates pages, and that point has to handle the a signal. good luck with that, nobody handles that
[21:36] <oerheks> so, you create a problem :-D
[21:36] <sarnold> funny enough, irssi does very well with it :) my irssi runs on an aws instance that has 512M of memory; it tries to fork a new process to do async dns lookups when it needs to reconnect to an irc network, that fails due to ENOMEM, and irssi falls back to a sync dns lookup and continues on as if nothing went wrong!
[21:36] <sarnold> itr's crazy
[21:37] <sarnold> nothing ever handles it, but irssi handles it great :) at least in this case..
[21:39] <pavlushka> genii: is a coffeeholic, doesn't even share his coffee on IRC
[21:40] <oerheks> he does ..
[21:43] <doug16k> sarnold, it must be "prefaulting" the pages (either allocating with MAP_COMMIT, or touching each page within a code section expecting a bus error signal)
[21:43] <doug16k> textbook "check the return value" method won't work on a normal modern os
[21:44] <doug16k> sure you got virtual address space, but no pages
[21:44] <doug16k> possibly no pages*
[21:44] <sarnold> doug16k: I always assumed it was a matter of not being able to duplicate all the page tables for irssi
[21:45] <doug16k> a fork will set it all up CoW. it must be provoking it to make pages unique (or heroically try to handle bus errors everywhere)
[21:46] <doug16k> fork will essentially make everything read only in both processes, then when you write one, spontaneously get a new page for there, and point the original one to the readonly one (now made readwrite), and make the copy page also readwrite
[21:47] <doug16k> that can spontaneously fail anytime
[21:48] <doug16k> anyway, demand paging really made a mess of out-of-memory handling
[21:48] <doug16k> when overcommitting*
[21:50] <shinobi_> Eric^^    https://pastebin.com/YMTJsEDd
[22:12] <galaxie> sarnold: Good to know. I don't think I'll run out anyways
[22:13] <sarnold> galaxie: no one ever says "I had too much memory" :)
[22:16] <nikolam> I wonder why vlc is locking for so long in ubuntu? I open video then vlc process gets stuck and can only be killed with kill -9 process_id
[22:16] <nikolam> Is that actually Ubuntu's issue that is not solved for so long time, is it VLC's issue
[22:16] <jayjo> In the "Software Updater" GUI tool, there is a box for "LLVM C++ Standard Library  3 kB" that I cannot select. It's been there for a while. When I try to update from the command line, I do get errors, although I think they're unrelated: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/KbjM7MHc8S/
[22:18] <sarnold> wow
[22:18] <oerheks> nikolam, what vlc version, and how did you install it?
[22:19] <oerheks> jayjo, fix is simple, you have https souces
[22:19] <oerheks> c/sources
[22:19] <oerheks> install apt-transport-https for that, and it will go
[22:19] <nikolam> oerheks, it is vlc VLC media player 3.0.8 Vetinari (revision 3.0.8-0-gf350b6b5a7) on updated Xubuntu 19.10 64bit
[22:20] <oerheks> !info apt-transport-https
[22:20] <oerheks> nikolam, and how did you install it??
[22:20] <nikolam> oerheks, using Ubuntu repository, I think it were installed upon install or i installed it via apt or Synaptic
[22:21] <oerheks> not as snap
[22:21] <oerheks> !info vlc eoan
[22:21] <Bashing-om> jayjo: ^^ Also bluez PPA: last supported in zesty: http://ppa.launchpad.net/bluetooth/bluez/ubuntu/dists/ .
[22:22] <nikolam> oerheks, so what if it is normal package, why would it be a snap?
[22:22] <oerheks> and not from apt
[22:22] <oerheks> so your claim is invalid.
[22:22] <nikolam> oerheks, ??
[22:23] <oerheks> if you google that version, tons of problems.
[22:24] <oerheks> nikolam, do not act as you are surprised, please
[22:24] <oerheks> how did you install it?
[22:24] <MonkeyDust> nikolam: did you install it with apt or as a snap
[22:24] <oerheks> snap does not give that version, and ubottu showed that too for apt
[22:24] <nikolam> I think I installed it via aether regular apt command or via synaptic..
[22:24] <jayjo> Bashing-om: I actually haven't got bluetooth to work properly with an audio headset on this machine yet. I'm on 19.10. Do I need to downgrade the OS version or is there a different tool to use instead?
[22:25] <nikolam> I am uninstalling it to check what I will get after reinstalling and in the meantime i will check repos
[22:27] <Bashing-om> jayjo: Can not advise of bluetooth as I have minimal experience there. for sure the PPA must be done away with as there is no support.
[22:27] <oerheks> i have bluez ppa installed, to fix the wonky connection too
[22:27] <oerheks> bionic
[22:29] <Bashing-om> jayjo: oerheks is correct . last support in bionic :(
[22:29] <oerheks> but eoan got the same 5.50 ..https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bluez
[22:30] <jeremy31> jayjo: Do you have broadcom wifi?
[22:32] <jayjo> jeremy31: I have the usb dongle Broadcom Corp. BCM20702A0 Bluetooth 4.0
[22:32] <jeremy31> jayjo: do you have the USB ID for it?
[22:32] <jayjo> 0a5c:21e8
[22:32] <oerheks> jayjo, so updates work properly now?
[22:33] <jeremy31> jayjo: in terminal do> cd /lib/firmware/brcm && sudo wget https://github.com/winterheart/broadcom-bt-firmware/blob/master/brcm/BCM20702A1-0a5c-21e8.hcd && sudo cp BCM20702A1-0a5c-21e8.hcd BCM.hcd
[22:34] <jeremy31> jayjo: then shut down and boot
[22:37] <tripelb> 18.04 how do I set my resolution for my better monitor not my laptop monitor?
[22:38] <tripelb> I just figured it out, single monitor. I clicked to try.
[22:43] <nikolam> oerheks, I am not sure what you were reffering to, but it seems that version I get when I install vlc with 'apt install vlc' is exactly the same I see is available in 19.10 on packages.ubuntu.com So I suppose those are same binaries.
[22:44] <nikolam> Maybe you were suggesting NOT to use vlc from Ubuntu repos and find alternative, newer?
[22:46] <oerheks> 3.0.8-2 on eoan. ... not that download from vlc itself > 3.0.8 Vetinari (revision 3.0.8-0-gf350b6b5a7)
[22:47] <oerheks> and please, google on 3.0.8 Vetinari (revision 3.0.8-0-gf350b6b5a7) ... 1000s of issues
[22:47] <EriC^^> shinobi_: the partition sizes look the same, sorry no idea
[22:47] <oerheks> it is *not* from our apt repos. period.
[22:48] <oerheks> maybe you are on a derivate, like mint or something?
[22:49] <EriC^^> shinobi_: maybe try to compare the actual files by using md5sum on the filesystem while mounted, then comparing with the other using md5sum -c, because i think some very minor stuff could be different, such as the info in the filesystem regarding where you mounted the filesystem, if you did try to mount it after copying the partition
[22:50] <nikolam> oerheks, I have exactly 3.0.8-2 here. I have not been downloaded anything elsewhere outside Ubuntu repos. I have give vls --version output
[22:51] <oerheks> so howcome you said earlier 3.0.8 Vetinari (revision 3.0.8-0-gf350b6b5a7) ???
[22:51] <oerheks> you just unstalled that, and installed the proper one, right?
[22:51] <nikolam> oerheks, that is whar vlc --version spits out when asked for version..
[22:52] <nikolam> I installed with apt install, but I think it is the same thing I had before uninstall
[23:01] <MonkeyDust> vlc 3.0.8 Vetinary here too