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[07:00] <IrcsomeBot> <Sick_Rimmit> {{{hugs}}} for @Valoriez Superb job on the Kubuntu Test Week 20.04 reads great.
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[19:30] <valorie> thanks @Sick_Rimmit I lacked the energy to get it put onto our site last night
[19:31] <valorie> <--- needs more coffee
[19:32] <IrcsomeBot> <Sick_Rimmit> Hi Val {{Hug}} You want me to put it up ?
[19:37] <IrcsomeBot> <RikMills> Looks like I can attend akademy this year!
[19:41] <IrcsomeBot> <RikMills> https://mail.kde.org/pipermail/kde-community/2020q1/006078.html
[19:51] <jphilips> valorie: in case you didnt get my messages, i left you some more edit suggestions in the google doc :D
[20:00] <valorie> @Sick_Rimmit lemme give the doc one last runthough
[20:01] <valorie> @RikMills wow, since I had months ago decided I didn't want to fly to Europe this year, that's welcome news
[20:01] <valorie> took 'em long enough to decide though
[20:02] <valorie> otoh everyone is agonizing about such decisions
[20:03] <IrcsomeBot> <Sick_Rimmit> I'll be appearing on Big Daddy Linux Show on Saturday and I will be talking about the 20.04 Testing initiative, try to get the message out
[20:06] <valorie> cool!
[20:06] <valorie> do we have a simple key combo to open a konsole?
[20:06] <valorie> I always use yakuake so dunno
[20:06] <valorie> but most of our users don't
[20:07] <valorie> my instructions are to use the actual terminal
[20:07] <valorie> would be simpler to use konsole I suppose
[20:07] <valorie> and less scary to people who rely on the gui
[20:19] <IrcsomeBot> <ahoneybun> @RikMills, Are you going to show your face though?
[20:20] <IrcsomeBot> <RikMills> Sadly webcam is broken (or will be)
[20:44] <valorie> lol
[20:45] <valorie> love you, RikMills
[20:58] <jphilips> sorry to disturb you again valorie, but i added a few more and you had some typos :D
[20:59] <jphilips> @Sick_Rimmit: look forward to see you on BDLL and thanks for spreading the word
[21:00] <IrcsomeBot> <Sick_Rimmit> Sure thing, are the any key messages you want me to discuss about the Ubuntu Testing week ?
[21:01] <jphilips> you would likely know best, as you've likely been to ones before and i havent :D
[21:02] <IrcsomeBot> <Sick_Rimmit> No problem, leave it with me.
[21:12] <valorie> thanks jphilips, I've been doing that very thing for gsoc students on their proposals
[21:13] <valorie> it's a valuable service
[21:13] <valorie> :-)
[21:20] <jphilips> :D
[21:25] <valorie> i rarely get the luxury of having someone follow behind me, cleaning up
[21:25] <valorie> :-)
[21:44] <valorie> ok, I think I've finalized it for you, @Sick_Rimmit
[21:44] <valorie> now to deal with my gsoc students
[21:45] <valorie> we've been given a week breathing room, thank goodness
[21:54] <jphilips> the benefit of Ctrl + Alt + T over Ctrl + Alt + Fn is that they dont have to login to their account another time and dont have to use another shortcut to get back to the GUI. We want to limit users having to touch the terminal as much as possible :D
[22:14] <valorie> a crash can dump you there, so people should know what to do then
[22:15]  * valorie has learned these things the hard way
[22:21] <keithzg[m]> Yeah it's always risky to go "oh, well we've set things up so this should never be needed", if you don't have a reliable fallback for when things don't Just Work™ then you don't have a fallback when people need it most!
[22:28] <jphilips> definitely true, but not sure the announcement is the time to be teaching them more than what they need to know
[22:28] <jphilips> valorie's instructions don't mention having to login
[22:28] <jphilips> before they can 'ubuntu-bug packagename'
[22:45] <valorie> users are prompted to login if they don't have one
[22:45] <valorie> I mentioned it then removed it
[22:46] <valorie> and I thought about leaving out the terminal based on your feedback but IMO it is especially important to get bug reports from actual crashes
[22:46] <valorie> if possible
[22:53] <jphilips> actual crashes bring up the crash dialog, so there is no going into the terminal for that
[22:55] <keithzg[m]> You hope the crashes do! Depends what crashed . . .
[22:55]  * keithzg[m] still has battle scars from trying to run NVIDIA cards for many years ;)
[22:57] <jphilips> oh okay. i've seen crashes loading up ubuntu and xubuntu isos and assumed it was like for all the flavors
[22:58] <keithzg[m]> It is indeed the same for all flavours. You've just been lucky enough not to have a crash that actually kills (or otherwise makes inoperable) X11 or Wayland :)
[23:02] <jphilips> oh those kinds of crashes. :D
[23:03] <jphilips> well lets hope users dont go through that as they definitely arent going to know what to do
[23:04] <keithzg[m]> Well the first step is, they hit something like ctrl+alt+F2 . . . ;)
[23:09] <valorie> hopefully people practice this ahead of time, but....
[23:09] <valorie> my son made me practive
[23:09] <valorie> practice
[23:09] <valorie> :-)
[23:10] <valorie> just like my dad made me change a tire before he'd let me practice driving
[23:11] <valorie> it's true that I've not had a crash like that for awhile
[23:12] <valorie> but I do have nvidia, and would rather not deal with a dark screen more than necessary
[23:12] <valorie> off to do student proposals