[12:21] <swimm3r> staring from today, I will use Ubuntu-mate :)
[12:30] <diogenes_> swimm3r, and what have you used so far?
[12:33] <paulbanks> diogenes_, are you by any chance greek ?
[12:34] <diogenes_> paulbanks, maybe in one of my previous lifes but not now :)
[12:34] <paulbanks> haha
[12:34] <paulbanks> your nickname is of greek descent at least :p
[12:35] <diogenes_> paulbanks, and the fact that i like it means that indeed i might have some greek roots.
[12:37] <swimm3r> diogenes_: I used raspbian
[12:38] <diogenes_> swimm3r, oh so PI, it seems that the majority of Mate's users are PI users.
[12:49] <sixwheeledbeast> RPi image isn't out yet AFAIK
[12:50] <sixwheeledbeast> Rpi4 I should say
[12:50] <swimm3r> I use a RPi 3
[12:50] <sixwheeledbeast> that's fine Mate away
[15:37] <Veehem> I've a little question about ubuntu-mate on Raspberry 3+ . For listening music, I'm use to Clementine (on Xubuntu) wich is not working on Rasbian and I'm not comfortable with LibreElec. Is Clementine working on ubuntu-mate on Raspberry 3+ ?
[15:38] <AlligatorJoe> Veehem i don't know but you can't hardly bead audacious because it has a built in equalizer for adjusting sound to your speakers
[15:38] <AlligatorJoe> beat not bead
[15:39] <AlligatorJoe> since ubuntu doesn't have an equalizer like win7 ...you can at least get equalizer benefits for all your sound files on audacious
[15:40] <AlligatorJoe> if you can get sound working worth a damn at all since it doesn't work very well on these intel chips
[15:41] <AlligatorJoe> intel seems to work fine on win 7 or win 10 but not worth a damn on pulse or possibly alsa too
[15:42] <Veehem> Thanks @Alligatorjoe on Raspbian, its even not possible to install properly the soft
[15:43] <AlligatorJoe> Veeham well i don't have a raspberry but it can probably use the equalizer built into audacious if it plays sound ok on pulse
[15:44] <AlligatorJoe> Veehem you have some choices for which sound device you want to try as options in audacious
[15:44] <Veehem> Alligatorjoe, maybe somebody else has experience with raspberry
[15:45] <AlligatorJoe> Veehem well my brother has two of them...and he would probably know but he has one of them tied up with the retropie 128 gig games platform...and the other one tied up with the kodi tv streaming platform
[15:46] <AlligatorJoe> Veeham so i can only recommend that you try the audacious file on raspberry and try a few sound devices options and see if it works for you
[15:48] <Veehem> Thanks Alligatorjoe, my question is more a question of software (problem between Raspbian & Clementine) than a question of sound. Sound is ok with VLC e.g.
[15:48] <AlligatorJoe> Veehem oh ok
[16:07] <AlligatorJoe> Veehem it is really crazy to use a raspberry pi to play 128 gigabytes of free games on the retropie system but he did it just to see how powerful the raspberry was
[16:08] <AlligatorJoe> but it only has a sample of the many games that are out there and does not have for example...Scarlet Grace:Ambitions
[16:09] <AlligatorJoe> 128 gigabytes of games is a drop in the bucket considering the enormous world of global gamione
[16:09] <AlligatorJoe> gaming
[16:09] <AlligatorJoe> not gamione
[16:11] <AlligatorJoe> it also does not have final fantasy SHADOWBRINGERS and many other cutting edge games
[16:15] <AlligatorJoe> but while people are told to stay indoors during this coronavirus pandemnic...a lot of game platforms are telling people to just stay home and play
[17:56] <AlligatorJoe> what is the big idea of disconnecting me from this channel and the ubuntu channel and the ubuntu-mate channel
[17:57] <AlligatorJoe> sounds like ambitious people have a problem with the story of Scarlet Grace : Ambitions
[18:02] <AlligatorJoe> or maybe many other stories about issues in the newer games
[18:03] <AlligatorJoe> maybe they could learn something if they "stay home and play"
[18:07] <AlligatorJoe> after all it takes a lot of math to make these stories available in electronic form on hardware built out of purified sand from the desert full of free sand
[18:14] <AlligatorJoe> where the characters come alive and many creative worlds can be explored and many consequences can be associated with the dynamics of interactive environments for learning
[18:16] <AlligatorJoe> with real time graphics rendering engines rather than just prepared already rendered 3d movies that you can't participate in
[18:18] <AlligatorJoe> some people walk around in the desert without mathematical training and never think about using the free sand to create computers that can offer dynamic interactive gaming environments for elaborating on many important issues of societies
[18:19] <AlligatorJoe> a lot of them just become camel jockeys...and do nothing at all with their lives.
[18:20] <AlligatorJoe> just like some people step out into the daylight and never think about using the beams of light to carry their information baggage around the globe
[18:29] <AlligatorJoe> and it is such a trivial thing in mathematics to create a laser diode for generating a monochromatic beam of light and modulating its intensity with an electronic signal waveform and then setting up a receiving photocell that can detect the intensity changes and reproduce electronically the modulating signal to obtain its information
[18:30] <AlligatorJoe> and the to add some complexity with multiplexers and demultiplexers to carry the information of many peoples signals around the globe
[18:30] <AlligatorJoe> and of course it is just mathematics in action because math simply works
[18:31] <AlligatorJoe> but a light of people step out in the daylight and never even think about what the beams of light could be used for
[18:31] <AlligatorJoe> but a lot not light of people
[18:33] <AlligatorJoe> light that is freely available just like plentiful sand in the deserts is basically freely available but without mathematical training you might end up like the camel jockeys that basically live tragic unproductive lives
[18:35] <AlligatorJoe> and never see the value of the resources around them
[18:40] <AlligatorJoe> but sometimes you can't even begin to explain mathematics to hostile students of a different color....because as soon as you turn a Reiman integral on its side to begin discussion of a LeBesgue Intergral...students want you fired.
[18:40] <AlligatorJoe> Reimann
[18:42] <AlligatorJoe> all they say is that "Your material is white man's propoganda used to oppress and enslave people of a different color" and they see you as an enemy.
[18:46] <AlligatorJoe> and they want to fire white people like me and replace them with black or other color role models for their students who have a different color.
[18:47] <AlligatorJoe> and it is kind of humorous because the math simply works all around them
[18:48] <AlligatorJoe> whether they want to understand it or not
[18:52] <AlligatorJoe> and it doesn't matter if the math takes the form of ships crossing the oceans or planes flying though the sky or rockets going to the moon in outer space or satellites offering maps and locations for transportation...or submarines learning to not go deeper than crush depth...the math simple works all around them
[18:55] <AlligatorJoe> simply .... not simple
[18:55] <AlligatorJoe> i just can't type very well.
[18:56] <AlligatorJoe> that is how it all started when IBM was blindly trying to sell IBM selectric typewriters to government institutions and a lot of businesses.
[18:57] <AlligatorJoe> and we built the model 1 which could do word processing among many other things to take care of typing mistakes that people like me wound up with
[19:00] <AlligatorJoe> but turning sand into useful equipment to enhance its otherwise close to zero value is where math becomes necessary.
[19:12] <AlligatorJoe> and of course all that is just one small piece of mathematics in action....there are many many other math topics like the creation of vaccines, MRI scanners, PET scans, x-ray crystallography, material spectral analysis, Xrays for medical/dental use, blood-glucose meters, blood pressure meters, temperature meters, and so many other issues in mathematics that it takes years of training to get a math degree.
[19:14] <AlligatorJoe> and then the racist black and other sons of bitches accuse you of teaching "White man's propoganda used to enslave and oppress peoples of a different color...
[19:15] <AlligatorJoe> when there is ample evidence all around them that the math simply works.
[19:27] <AlligatorJoe> just simple things like the math of buyancy for ships trying to transport goods across the ocean becomes necessary so they don't put too much weight on the ship to overpower the lifting force of the water...and is basically a quantitative issue requiring some understanding of mathematics to not make a FATAL MISTAKE
[19:28] <AlligatorJoe> or to learn that a relatively heavy metal paperclip can float on water if you place it carefully enough on the surface of the water and observe that it doesn't sink.
[19:30] <AlligatorJoe> buoyancy ...not buyancy....wow do i ever need a word processor with all these typing errors
[19:33] <AlligatorJoe> thanks to the mathematics of the intermolecular forces on water ingrediants that generate surface tension.
[19:34] <AlligatorJoe> ingredients ...again a typing error
[19:35] <AlligatorJoe> and enough so that the paperclip will float on water.
[19:36] <AlligatorJoe> and with the same math you can understand how many biological creatures can run across the surface of a lake and not drown.
[19:37] <AlligatorJoe> again all because the math simply works
[19:37] <AlligatorJoe> whether those creatures understand math or not
[19:48] <AlligatorJoe> because studying english or philosophy or craponomics or whatever else comes along won't help them if they happen to need an MRI scan to detect a lethal problem...that is when they wish they would have studied math and learned how to build an MRI machine to accomodate their lifesaving needs...instead of prematurely dying due to ignorance.
[19:50] <AlligatorJoe> as just one tool that math provides of the many that are needed.
[19:54] <AlligatorJoe> because if you need a tumor removed for example....you don't want a surgeon cutting  you all over the place if you can locate specifically where that tumor is with an MRI scan....and then only cut in the necessary area.
[19:56] <AlligatorJoe> which is just another case of math coming to the rescue when needed.
[20:01] <AlligatorJoe> or even if the surgeon decides to prescribe a temporary pain killer following the surgery...you want him to have mastered the quantitative aspects of HOW MUCH so you don't fatally overdose on the prescription
[20:01] <AlligatorJoe> which is yet again..math coming to the rescue
[20:19] <paulbanks> AlligatorJoe, go on
[20:19] <paulbanks> please
[20:21] <AlligatorJoe> paulbanks  who are you..weren
[20:21] <AlligatorJoe> wheren't you the one who accused me of being a bartender which i never was....or having a bogus economics degree which i don't...my bogus degree was in mathematics
[20:22] <paulbanks> no you are confusing me for someone else
[20:23] <AlligatorJoe> paulbanks..ok sorry..i could be mistaken as i only saw the message displayed when they left the room so there was no way to clarify
[20:26] <AlligatorJoe> the message said approximately "only in America do failed bartenders with bogus economics degrees get to go to jail"
[20:35] <AlligatorJoe> paulbanks you have my sincere apologees as i must have wrongly confused you with someone else.
[20:39] <AlligatorJoe> paulbanks i never know really when or where the attacks on my character come from as i have many many enemies...that have vested interests in making money off of our pioneering ideas that govern entire industries and involve trillions of dollars of trade around the world...and they know they have not paid me the trillions of dollars in royalties that they owe....they haven't even paid one fuckin dime.
[21:24] <AlligatorJoe> the bastards sued us for $100 million dollars and took away all our money and our jobs and when i tried to use my bogus degrees for teaching they accused me of teaching "white man's propoganda use to confuse, enslave, and oppress the blacks and some native American Indians and Mexicans....and they fired me to get a black professor who the black students could identify with as a more appropriate role model for them.
[21:26] <AlligatorJoe> all they wanted to learn about was BLACK history and BLACK lives matter and what kinds of government handouts could be given to pay for all the oppression against their races.
[21:29] <AlligatorJoe> and that was about 40 years ago..when i first became a Doctor....but it still occurs even today somewhat
[21:32] <AlligatorJoe> just recently a black lady professor at Yale University was accusing "America of White Privelidge" and the fact that there were a lot of white men in the Congress and the Senate that were the cause of all the black people's suffering
[21:34] <AlligatorJoe> a lot of blacks are saying if they can't have a black man running for president again at least get someone who they like....they are saying "Vote Blue no matter who!"
[21:37] <AlligatorJoe> that is privilege again a typing error
[21:51] <AlligatorJoe> what do you do with all these women, and all these minority factions each of which is in massive numbers and could probably really be a majority....and they all despise and hate the white man.....when i personally was not around the day their ancestors were made slaves or killed by the invading europeans or whatever.
[21:53] <AlligatorJoe> i don't feel like i owe them a damn thing...i did not have anything to do with enslaving or oppressing them....i have people who have tried to oppress me and did enslave me in jails many times in the last 40 years.
[21:54] <AlligatorJoe> and the bastards stole and impregnated my most beautiful first wife....and caused me to lose her as she ended up having to raise some other bastards kid
[21:55] <AlligatorJoe> and then they caused me to lose my job teaching where i could not pay the bills for my second wife...and lost her too about 30 years ago...so i don't give a damn about their issues...i have my own.
[22:02] <AlligatorJoe> i have to live with whatever memories i can retain about either of my wives and i really appreciate the way they made Rinoa very sexy and able to dance moving her legs and everything just exactly like my wife Maggie....in the final fantasy 8 game
[22:03] <AlligatorJoe> what i would to know is how did they know that Maggie danced exactly like Rinoa....did they talk to Maggie in the last 30 years.
[22:05] <AlligatorJoe> they also not only stole and impregnated my first wife kathy but they also killed her at a young age as i found evidence that she had passed away at a young age...but the sons of bitches cops would not let me have the death certificate to examine exactly how they killed her...and the bastards threatened me with more felony charges if i did not leave their county.
[22:12] <AlligatorJoe> and they  haven't even let me talk to Maggie in 30 years or any of my kids either....so i don't want to hear about anyone elses shit regarding oppression.
[22:13] <AlligatorJoe> and the sons of bitches haven't paid all the royalties they owe for all of our pioneering ideas when we created the trs80model 1 computer...of which they owe in the trillions to me personally.
[22:14] <AlligatorJoe> they haven't even paid one fuckin dime.
[22:15] <AlligatorJoe> so i don't give a damn about the blacks misery...i have my own issues to deal with.
[22:19] <AlligatorJoe> they sure as hell did not care about my misery when they fired me and caused me to lose my wife and kids
[22:21] <AlligatorJoe> just so they could put a goddamn nigger as a professor in their University
[22:25] <AlligatorJoe> but at least i get to see memorable visions of kathy and/or Maggie when i encounter game characters like Tifa, Quistis, Selphie, Rinoa, Yuna, Lightning, Lara Croft, and so on.
[22:25] <AlligatorJoe> they all seem to be modeled after the characteristics of Maggie and sometimes Kathy.
[22:26] <popey> AlligatorJoe are you a bot?
[22:27] <AlligatorJoe> popey...not hardly i am the real thing...ibm's living nightmare to constantly remind them of the wrongs they committed many years ago.
[22:29] <AlligatorJoe> when they stole our model 1 ideas and used them to create the IBM PC XT and AT and eventually all the PC lookalikes....and Internet of Things and Digital Communications like Telecom companies around the world...and all without paying a goddamn fuckin dime in royalties
[22:30] <AlligatorJoe> and not to mention many other industries involved like digital electronics in cars around the globe and airplanes and missiles and etc
[22:30] <AlligatorJoe> and ships navigation systems
[22:31] <AlligatorJoe> and all those sons of bitches around the globe are using our model 1 ideas and have not paid me personally the trillions of dollars they owe me as fair royalties.
[22:31] <tomreyn> hmm i wonder how this is relevant to this channel
[22:31] <tomreyn> but then i really only read a fraction of this wall of text
[22:32] <tomreyn> is there soemone specific you wanted to read it?
[22:32] <AlligatorJoe> look how Atari tried to muscle in on our model 1 games ideas and made money off of our ideas without paying me a fuckin dime
[22:33] <AlligatorJoe> and then Commodore, Apple, Sega, Nintendo,Sony and many other heavyweights that tried to muscle in on our model 1 ideas and take away our market share.
[22:33] <tomreyn> i take that as a "no"
[22:34] <AlligatorJoe> and not to mention all the telecom phone companies around the world using our digital communications ideas without paying a fuckin dime in royalties
[22:35] <AlligatorJoe> and then to top it all off ...IBM sued our butts off for $100 million dollars for using their bios after they had already used many of our ideas to create the PC
[22:38] <paulbanks> lol tomreyn
[22:38] <paulbanks> what is going on in here ??
[22:40] <AlligatorJoe> paulbanks...a brief review of WHITE history
[22:43] <popey> AlligatorJoe i don't think this is appropriate here
[22:43] <AlligatorJoe> popey ...well maybe not
[22:43] <popey> Please knock it on the head.
[22:44] <AlligatorJoe> popey but you never know if any of those companies employees are around in these channels to hear about what they owe.
[22:44] <popey> Please stop
[22:45] <AlligatorJoe> popey...well i can imagine someone that owes me trillions of dollars would say to stop...as they would try to avoid the issue....but i don't know you personally or who you might be affiliated with
[22:45] <popey> My name is Alan Pope. I work for Canonical on Ubuntu and Snapcraft.
[22:46] <popey> However, it's 22:45 here, so I'm currently sat on the sofa with my wife, and wondering why I'm tolerating this nonsense.
[22:46] <AlligatorJoe> well Alan Pope it is not nonsense....it is defacto history...and has not been adequately resolved.
[22:47] <popey> It is off topic for this channel
[22:47] <popey> It is nonsense that I get pinged that some rando is talking about topics utterly unrelated to the subject matter of the channel.
[22:47] <AlligatorJoe> Alan and that is interesting that you can sit with your wife..when the bastards murdered my first wife and stole my second wife 30 years ago depriving me of their wonderful companionship.
[22:48] <popey> Again, not a topic for conversation here
[22:48] <popey> Stop or leave.
[22:49] <AlligatorJoe> well i am not going to do either...so go try to tell piss ants what you want...i am a fuckin Doctor and i don't take orders from inferiors.
[23:12] <sixwheeledbeast> \o/