[00:19] <nshire> was exfar-fuse removed or something
[00:20] <nshire> I can't find any exfat packages
[00:20] <pavlos> they should be exfat-utils and exfat-fuse
[00:21] <nshire> E: no installation candidate
[00:22] <nshire> I have a liveusb loaded, trying to get data off my broken installation before I do anything
[00:22] <marcodiego> I'm using 18.04 and my laptop's backlight sometimes starts blinking. I stopped systemd-udevd and it seem that it stops it from blinking, but I don't think it is a proper solution. Is ther a way to fix my backlight to be always at the maximum value?
[00:22] <nshire> and my only other drive is exfat......
[00:25] <Bashing-om> !info exfat-utils | nshire
[00:26] <Bashing-om> nshire: ^^ insure that the universe repo is enabled :D
[00:26] <nshire> is all that possible to do on a liveusb?
[00:27] <Bashing-om> nshire: Yes - just will not persist a reboot.
[00:28] <pavlos> sudo add-apt-repository universe; sudo apt update
[00:28] <smacktalk> it was a key combo with my laptop , now my camera works
[00:28] <Bashing-om> pavlos: :D
[00:29] <pavlos> smacktalk: does the camera appear in lsusb now that it is working?
[00:31] <pavlos> smacktalk: Fn+F6 enables camera for msi laptops
[00:41] <nshire> command not found when I try to add-apt-repository
[00:43] <pavlos> you're on liveusb, 18.04 ?
[00:43] <nshire> yep 18.04 lts
[00:44] <pavlos> sudo apt-get install software-properties-common
[00:47] <pavlos> it seems that add-apt-repository is part of the software-properties-common pkg
[00:53] <ScarletMarauder> Hello, I am trying to setup mergerfgs to merge two exteneral drives together and could use some help since this is the first time i have ever done this
[00:53] <nshire> ugh disk full
[00:55] <vigilant> ello friends
[00:55] <vigilant> dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of sendmail:
[00:55] <vigilant>  sendmail depends on sendmail-bin; however:
[00:55] <vigilant>   Package sendmail-bin is not configured yet.
[00:55] <vigilant> whenever i am trying to do apt-get upgrade, i get these errors
[00:55] <vigilant> :/
[00:57] <ScarletMarauder> pretty much that
[00:57] <vigilant> how do i configure it mr ScarletMarauder
[00:57] <Bashing-om> vigilant: Ehat resilts: ' sudo dpkg-reconfigure sendmail-bin ' ?
[00:58] <Bashing-om> vigilant: *what results
[00:58] <vigilant> sudo dpkg-reconfigure sendmail-bin
[00:58] <ScarletMarauder> vigilant, I am not sure, bashing om probably knows alot more then me and seems to be helping.
[00:58] <vigilant> /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: sendmail-bin is broken or not fully installed
[00:58] <pavlos> sudo sendmailconfig
[00:59] <vigilant> i did that
[00:59] <vigilant> i just did apt-get upgrade
[00:59] <vigilant> and it's broken
[00:59] <Bashing-om> vigilant: pastebin ' sudo apt update ; sudo apt upgrade ; dpkg -l sendmail-bin '.
[01:01] <vigilant> https://pastebin.com/9QRVYYYL
[01:04] <Bashing-om> vigilant: Force the upgrade - maybe not the best thing to do ' sudo apt full-upgrade ' .
[01:04] <vigilant> okay
[01:05] <ScarletMarauder> So I want to merge two of my drives in mergerfs so I change the mount points to /mnt/TVdisk1 and /mnt/TVdisk2 and then write this /mnt/disk*     /home/username/TV/     fuse.mergerFS direct_io,defaults,allow_other,minfreespace=5G,fsname=mergerFS 0 0 in fstab anything else?
[01:05] <vigilant> mr Bashing-om https://pastebin.com/cYjDbyy5
[01:08] <Bashing-om> vigilant: Now as pavlos suggestes '
[01:08] <Bashing-om> 19:59 < vigilant' ?
[01:09] <vigilant> same issue mr Bashing-om
[01:09] <Bashing-om> vigilant:  ?sudo sendmailconfig
[01:10] <vigilant> yes
[01:10] <vigilant> after doing that
[01:11] <Bashing-om> vigilant: Hummm ... ' sudo apt install -- reinstall sendmail ' give us any additional hints ?
[01:12] <vigilant> After this operation, 0 B of additional disk space will be used.
[01:12] <vigilant> E: Internal Error, No file name for sendmail:amd64
[01:13] <Bashing-om> Info sendmail eoan | vigilant
[01:14] <Bashing-om> !Info sendmail eoan | vigilant
[01:14] <Bashing-om> !info sendmail eoan | vigilant
[01:15] <Bashing-om> vigilant: ^^ Is in the universe repo . is that repo enabled ?
[01:15] <vigilant> mr Bashing-om
[01:16] <vigilant> how can i check if the repo is enabled
[01:16] <vigilant> ?
[01:20] <Bashing-om> vigilant: ' grep -I "main restricted universe multiverse" /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:20] <vigilant> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu eoan-security main restricted universe multiverse
[01:27] <ScarletMarauder> So I am trying to merge two drives in mergerFS using the following line    /mnt/TVdisk* /home/username/TV fuse.mergerFS direct_io,defaults,allow_other,minfreespace=5G,fsname=mergerFS 0 0 in. but then i get this error /bin/sh: 1:mergerFS not found anyideas what i did wrong
[01:27] <Bashing-om> vigilant: That is for security - not what we seek. We want something like " deb http://nl.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ eoan universe " .
[01:29] <Bashing-om> vigilant: If you have  GUI .. can check in the software center.
[01:56] <vigilant> mr Bashing-om
[01:56] <vigilant> i don't have gui
[01:56] <vigilant> it's a VPS
[01:56] <vigilant> can you tell me what repo to add and how?
[01:56] <vigilant> please
[01:57] <ScarletMarauder> sorry for the bother turns out i am an idiot
[01:57] <sarnold> ScarletMarauder: hehehe :)
[01:58] <sarnold> ScarletMarauder: what was it?
[01:58] <ScarletMarauder> sarnold, turns out i was supposed to type mergerfs not mergerFS
[01:59] <Bashing-om> vigilant: Compare ' cat /etc/apt/sources.list' to this exanple - https://gist.github.com/seveas/09139dc2ce7e46e37ca6647b193ac0c9 .
[02:01] <sarnold> ScarletMarauder: ahhhhhhhh :) yes, that'll do it.
[02:01] <ScarletMarauder> yeah litterally burst out laughing when the dev told me the mistake
[02:03] <sarnold> heheh :)
[02:04] <Bashing-om> vigilant: If you  do not have "deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ eoan universe multiverse" or a close resemblence - then we add that repo :D
[02:07] <vigilant> i replaced everythi0ng in the sources.list file with the line you gave me
[02:07] <vigilant> but it's still giving me the same problem
[02:07] <Bashing-om> vigilant: ' apt list sendmail
[02:08] <NGravity> vigilant: vps running?
[02:08] <NGravity> Sendemail is better because you can also use outside
[02:08] <NGravity> Then mailx
[02:09] <NGravity> So sudo -apt-install mailutils
[02:09] <NGravity> Then xrdp ,then xwindow so sudo apt install xfce4
[02:10] <NGravity> And then you are done and you have windows on your vps
[02:12] <NGravity> If eoan means you are running 19.10
[02:17] <vigilant> root@star:/home/vigilant# apt list sendmail
[02:17] <vigilant> Listing... Done
[02:17] <vigilant> sendmail/eoan,eoan,now 8.15.2-13 all [installed]
[02:17] <NGravity> Bravo, now install xfce4
[02:17] <NGravity> Then xrdp
[02:18] <NGravity> And you will have gui's
[02:18] <NGravity> Xrdp uses 3389 port remote desktop
[02:18] <vigilant> why NGravity
[02:18] <vigilant> too much wOrK
[02:18] <vigilant> ;>
[02:19] <NGravity> After finishing that yoù have to install wine-hq
[02:19] <vigilant> what are you talking about NGravity
[02:19] <vigilant> =s
[02:19] <NGravity> Then install max-bulk mailer
[02:20] <NGravity> After installed you can add your milion email list address then spam them up
[02:20] <NGravity> Via GUI's :)))
[02:20] <vigilant> what the heck are you talking about NGravity
[02:20] <vigilant> ;s
[02:20] <NGravity> ;)
[02:21] <NGravity> You can put xfce4 anyway :) to have a rdp or vnc connection
[02:21] <NGravity> Do not use much ram so
[02:21] <NGravity> If needed then do it
[02:21] <NGravity> ,)
[02:24] <ChadTaljaardt> I am getting a weird error when trying to install a specific version of erlang
[02:25] <ChadTaljaardt> https://gist.github.com/ChadTaljaardt/4c2baf30c47c5003ece673f068f81278
[02:25] <bratchley> hey, for some reason whenever I move my nginx server's doc root to a tmpfs mount I get 404's anyone ran into this before? https://dpaste.org/uivA
[02:25] <ChadTaljaardt> if i install it using the command apt-get install erlang it works fine
[02:26] <ChadTaljaardt> so it only has that issue when i do apt-get install <package-name>=<package-version>
[02:26] <NGravity> 404 means page not found, verify the link if corect
[02:26] <ChadTaljaardt> i did apt-cache policy erlang to make sure that version was available, and it was there
[02:27] <bratchley> NGravity: yeah the URL is correct, updated the snippet: https://dpaste.org/fq2O
[02:27] <ChadTaljaardt> https://gist.github.com/ChadTaljaardt/df7e43ddecc33d305bf41d3b08554bc0
[02:27] <bratchley> I can literally copy/paste the path it says it can't find and can read it as the user I'm running nginx as
[02:28] <NGravity> Ok, at this point try on root or with sudo
[02:28] <bratchley> to read the file from the command line? yeah all users appear to be able to read that file
[02:28] <bratchley> it's just getting to it through the web server that seems to have an issue
[02:29] <bratchley> it started when I moved the doc root to tmpfs but I don't know if that's related
[02:30] <NGravity> Chmod then chown can fix if not a code error
[02:30] <Bashing-om> !info erlang eoan | ChadTaljaardt
[02:30] <ChadTaljaardt> im on 18.04
[02:31] <Bashing-om> !info erlang bionic | ChadTaljaardt
[02:32] <ChadTaljaardt> so i should be installing 1:20.2.2+dfsg-1ubuntu2 instead?
[02:33] <Bashing-om> ChadTaljaardt: depends on where you are pulling erlang from. A PPA enabled ?
[02:33] <ChadTaljaardt> https://gist.github.com/ChadTaljaardt/3280bf698b434cb059c6cb9cde8cdba3
[02:33] <ChadTaljaardt> this is how we are installing it
[02:35] <Bashing-om> ChadTaljaardt: If our version in the repo is not good enough for your needs; then you take up with erlang_solutions.asc the issues you face installing.
[02:36] <ChadTaljaardt> so wait i can jsut do sudo apt-get install erlang without having to add all that stuff?
[02:36] <ChadTaljaardt> also here is a error i got when trying to install the version in the thing you sent
[02:36] <ChadTaljaardt> https://gist.github.com/ChadTaljaardt/ce4551d31bd0b20d7fae985106ded644
[02:36] <Bashing-om> ChadTaljaardt: Yup !
[02:37] <ChadTaljaardt> let me try it quick, give me a few minutes :)
[02:37] <Bashing-om> !ppa-purge | ChadTaljaardt
[02:42] <ChadTaljaardt> thanks Bashing-om it looks like its working
[02:43] <ChadTaljaardt> didnt realise that i could do that, wonder why it was implemented this way originally..
[02:43] <Bashing-om> ChadTaljaardt: Great - glad we have resolution :D
[02:43] <Bashing-om> !ppa | ChadTaljaardt
[02:44] <ChadTaljaardt> yeah, i was wondering why the script we are working on used the ppa for this instead of the method you said where you can just get it from apt
[02:44] <ChadTaljaardt> software seems to work fine with this way.. so ill inquire about that with my team
[02:46] <Bashing-om> ChadTaljaardt: Depends on versioning needed . Then again prehaps erlang recently made it into the repo . would have to look at the changelog to know.
[02:47] <ChadTaljaardt> this script was originally made like 2 years ago if i recall, so maybe
[02:47] <ChadTaljaardt> anyway im gonna get back to testing this, thanks so much for the help, have a good evening :)
[02:48] <Bashing-om> ChadTaljaardt: Links provided ' apt show erlanf
[02:48] <Bashing-om> '*erlang
[03:23] <glestrade> my install of ubuntu is fairly fresh and I messed up a complex install process
[03:24] <glestrade> so it won’t hurt that much to do a “factory reset”
[03:24] <glestrade> how could I do that
[03:31] <ash_worksi> still looking for any help on recovering data from a usb drive that wont connect
[03:32] <lotuspsychje> ash_worksi: photorec to the rescue
[03:33] <ash_worksi> lotuspsychje: `apt install photorec` ?
[03:33] <ash_worksi> lotuspsychje: also, what is that?
[03:33] <lotuspsychje> ash_worksi: no, sudo apt install testdisk
[03:34] <lotuspsychje> ash_worksi: after that: sudo photorec and select your partition/hd you want to recover
[03:34] <ash_worksi> lotuspsychje: well, it's a usb drive that never connects
[03:34] <ash_worksi> so the partition is never available
[03:34] <lotuspsychje> ash_worksi: if photorec cant see it, its probably dead
[03:34] <ash_worksi> but it says: [20524.714099] sd 6:0:0:0: [sdb] Read Capacity(10) failed: Result: hostbyte=DID_NO_CONNECT driverbyte=DRIVER_OK
[03:34] <ash_worksi> dmesg I mean
[03:35] <lotuspsychje> ash_worksi: you might check it on another Os too, to doublecheck
[03:35] <ash_worksi> lotuspsychje: well, I don't know if it's a matter of photorec seeing it, but I'll tryin installing and seeing what happens when I run it
[03:35] <lotuspsychje> yeah try it
[03:35] <ash_worksi> I checked it on another laptop, but not a different OS
[03:35] <ash_worksi> I could try windows I guess
[03:36] <lotuspsychje> ash_worksi: yeah some cases, its a windows repair trick thats needed
[03:36] <lotuspsychje> ash_worksi: and you still need the data on it i suppose?
[03:37] <ash_worksi> I mean, there was indeed a lot of data written to it, but I think it's only like 1/2 full; most of it's activity was grepping
[03:37] <ash_worksi> lotuspsychje: yes
[03:37] <lotuspsychje> ok
[03:37] <ash_worksi> I just tried photorec
[03:37] <ash_worksi> doesn't seem to see it
[03:37] <ash_worksi> it'd be sdb
[03:38] <lotuspsychje> yeah prob bad news ash_worksi
[03:38] <ash_worksi> and it only shows sda and dm.
[03:38] <ash_worksi> I don't know what dm is though.... maybe referencing memory?
[03:38] <lotuspsychje> i always try gparted & photorec myself
[03:38] <ash_worksi> :(
[03:39] <ash_worksi> if I could just get into it one more time, I'd copy everything over
[03:39] <ash_worksi> (and never trust USB drives again)
[03:39] <lotuspsychje> ash_worksi: try gparted too, just to see if it recognizes
[03:40] <ash_worksi> so the fact that it can detect data like [sdb] 120127488 512-byte logical blocks: (61.5 GB/57.3 GiB) doesn't spark any hope?
[03:41] <lotuspsychje> ash_worksi: pastebin a journalctl -f with your medium plugged out, plug back in lets have a look on those errors
[03:43] <ash_worksi> lotuspsychje: k, well, I have a series of errors recorded by dmesg already if that's helpful
[03:43] <ash_worksi> lotuspsychje: is journalctl better?
[03:44] <lotuspsychje> ash_worksi: i like it realtime, and focused on what we are doing
[03:44] <ash_worksi> dmesg -w seems to be in real time
[03:44] <ash_worksi> output looks identical
[03:45] <ash_worksi> I might end up pasting the dmesg jsut cause it doesn't show my laptop name
[03:45] <ash_worksi> oh actually there are differences
[03:46] <ash_worksi> copying...
[03:49] <ash_worksi> pasting...
[03:50] <ash_worksi> lotuspsychje: https://gist.github.com/ash-m/87b6a8675bd2681ff15eaf13e2c48770
[03:51] <lotuspsychje> ash_worksi: yeah IO errors, this was not a device, device not accepting...looks like bad news to me
[03:52] <lotuspsychje> ash_worksi: as last resort i would try gparted and another Os
[03:52] <ash_worksi> "this was not a device"?
[03:52] <lotuspsychje> ash_worksi: mtp-probe[9905]: bus: 4, device: 4 was not an MTP device
[03:53] <ash_worksi> lotuspsychje: trying gparted
[03:53] <ash_worksi> oh I missed that
[03:54] <ash_worksi> lotuspsychje: gparted error: could not stat /dev/sdb
[03:54] <ash_worksi> no such file or directory
[03:54] <lotuspsychje> yeah presumed..
[03:54] <ash_worksi> so where is the other data that it *can* discern coming from?
[03:55] <lotuspsychje> sorry?
[03:55] <ash_worksi> ie: logical blocks: (61.5 GB/57.3 GiB)
[03:55] <ash_worksi> doesn't it have to read that from somewhere?
[03:56] <ash_worksi> or is that just some catalog on my system that knows this information based on some easily accessible id on the drive that isn't part of the main circuit and I'm just looking at basically a cache?
[03:58] <ash_worksi> windows is starting...
[03:58]  * ash_worksi crosses fingers
[03:59] <ash_worksi> IME, if I try any USB drive that was formatted on linux on windows, it'll immediately ask to reformat
[03:59] <ash_worksi> but we'll see
[03:59] <lotuspsychje> ash_worksi: if you can make it work that would be a start..
[04:04] <ash_worksi> shows up in device settings for a moment then says Unrecognized device (set address failed)
[04:04] <ash_worksi> DX
[04:04] <ash_worksi> shitty shitty bang bang
[04:05] <ash_worksi> I guess I'll be using external hdds from now on for this kind of stuff
[04:05] <ash_worksi> it's just a huge amount of miscellanous coding projects, logs, etc
[04:05] <ash_worksi> lots of nice helpful info in those IRC logs
[04:05] <ash_worksi> -_-
[04:07] <ash_worksi> couldve removing the drive unsafely caused this?
[04:07] <lotuspsychje> ash_worksi: i dont think so, you would get other errors
[04:08] <ash_worksi> so shittily annoying
[04:08] <lotuspsychje> please keep language family friendly
[04:10] <ash_worksi> lotuspsychje: sorry; how poppily annoying
[04:10] <ash_worksi> poopily*
[04:12] <ash_worksi> not even a "heh" :\
[04:13] <ash_worksi> not so much as a *cough* at my "hilarious" joke.
[04:13] <lotuspsychje> drop it please ash_worksi
[04:15] <ash_worksi> sorry, trying to make light of the situation during my hour of plight.
[04:15] <ash_worksi> thanks though for you help lotuspsychje
[04:18] <aaardvark> can someone please explain to me why chroot is restricted to the root - it seems to me that as long as I could only change to a directory to which I ave permissions there would be no loss of security - so clearly I am missing something
[05:15] <IntelCore> Bashing !
[05:16]  * nshire turns on mitigations for IntelCore 
[05:17] <IntelCore> ty
[05:17] <IntelCore>  the /dev/sda2 is red in gparted
[05:18] <IntelCore> the Ms reserved partition is 128Mb
[05:22] <IntelCore> run chkdsk on it via cmd  ?
[05:23] <IntelCore> grub menu boots
[05:27] <NGravity> How fast . Total seconds?
[05:48] <Bomber4Chats> Having trouble getting my headphone's in-built mic to be detected by linux mate on my asus laptop. Details:   Linux version 4.15.0-92-generic.   driver=snd_hda_intel    No errors in journalctl -f  when connecting disconnecting device             Ubuntu 18.04.4 LTS \n \l
[06:06] <Strontium> After a recent package upgrade I started getting "/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libuuid.so.1: version `UUID_2.31' not found (required by uuidgen)" errors.  I looked and uuid-runtime and uuid-dev are both version 2.34-0.1ubuntu2.4 from eoan-updates
[06:06] <Strontium> Anyone else seen this?
[06:06] <openface> .j gentoo
[06:19] <rfm>  Strontium no problem here after updating.  Message sounds like libuuid.so.1 is damaged or missing.  Maybe try "apt-get installl --reinstall libuuid1"?
[06:22] <rfm> Strontium, if that doesn't help "ldd -v `which uuidgen`" might pop out a more informative message.
[06:23] <Strontium> rfm: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/mysWtP8YFK/
[06:23] <Strontium> Didn't work
[06:24] <Strontium> rfm: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/78p2wPRtRR/
[06:24] <Strontium> Output from ldd
[06:28] <rfm> Strontium, sure looks like a damaged libuuid.so.1.  I suppose the damage could be in the download of the .deb and the reinstall used the cache version.  Unfortunately I don't know offhand how to force a fresh download.
[06:30] <rfm> Strontium, ah, "apt-get clean" is the command to blow out the caches, apt-get install --reinstall will then download a fresh copy.  try that?
[06:30] <Strontium> rfm: rm -rf /var/cache/apt/archives/*
[06:34] <Strontium> rfm: No change.  Its certainly odd.  Either manual delete or apt-get clean resulted in the same result.
[06:34] <Strontium> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/7n8fNFWbZ6/
[06:36] <Strontium> I have submitted a bug report on it.
[06:37] <Bomber4Chats> Having trouble getting my headphone's in-built mic to be detected by linux mate on my asus laptop. Details:   Linux version 4.15.0-92-generic.   driver=snd_hda_intel    No errors in journalctl -f  when connecting disconnecting device
[06:37] <rfm> Strontium, I'm baffled,  the only difference I see between your install and my (working) one is you have the i386 libs, which I don't, but which should be irrelevant.
[06:38] <rfm> Strontium, I was going to blame the mirror, but I see you're going straight to archive.ubuntu.com.  (Unless there's a caching proxy in the way? I've gotten burned there in the past)
[06:39] <Strontium> No caching proxy that I have set up.
[06:42] <rfm> Strontium, here's the checksum of my version if you want to see if the file really is damaged: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/r7dWnJVhtt/
[06:42] <Strontium> rfm: so far the only noticable problem its causing is the error shows up every time i open a shell (or run uuidgen manually)  so it doesn't appear to be reaking my system.  Will see what the bug report yields if anything/
[06:47] <rfm> Strontium, ok.  i'm off to bed, good luck.  (The next thing I would try is seeing if the uuidgen binary is damaged, though I would expect the ldd output to be different if so.)
[08:24] <Polesch> I'm on Pop_OS with a dual monitor setup (1080p primary + 4k secondary), I have a problem where a lot of applications have the menu offset significantly to the right. Anyone how how to fix this?
[08:27] <ducasse> Polesch: only ubuntu is supported here, you need to ask in a pop os forum
[08:27] <Polesch> It's basically the same thing.
[08:28] <Polesch> This is the problem: https://ibb.co/MNZG95C
[08:28] <Bomber4Chats> Having trouble getting my headphone's in-built mic to be detected by linux mate on my asus laptop. Details:   Linux version 4.15.0-92-generic.   driver=snd_hda_intel    No errors in journalctl -f  when connecting disconnecting device
[08:28] <ducasse> !derivatives | Polesch
[08:28] <Polesch> Approximately half of the applications behave like this.
[08:29] <Polesch> Just pretend like it's ubuntu and I'll figure out the rest.
[08:30] <ducasse> sorry, we don't pretend anything, you need to ask in the appropriate forum. we have no ideas what they have changed
[08:31] <parlos> @Polesch I'm running 19.10 with 4K (primary) and 1200 secondary. Works fine. Running KDE... Test swapping prim and secondary.
[08:31] <ducasse> they left
[08:31] <lotuspsychje> parlos: please dont support users that just have been adviced to not get support in the future
[10:22] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[10:29] <mkquist> BluesKaj: hi
[10:29] <mkquist> BluesKaj: quiet usually at this time
[10:38] <BluesKaj> hi mkquist, not always
[10:59] <gimmel> Hi all, I've got a bootable Ubuntu USB that I've confirmed works by booting to it on another machine. I'm trying to make an Asus All in One PC boot to it. I've adjusted the BIOS settings to disable secure booth and enable CSM. But whether I configure the USB as the only boot device, or use the BIOS boot override to select the USB, either way it just loops back to the BIOS. Any thoughts?
[11:08] <EriC^^> gimmel: odd, which os does it have currently
[11:08] <EriC^^> gimmel: how did you make the usb btw?
[11:09] <Bomber4Chats> Having trouble getting my headphone's in-built mic to be detected by linux mate on my asus laptop. Details:   Linux version 4.15.0-92-generic.   driver=snd_hda_intel    No errors in journalctl -f  when connecting disconnecting device
[11:10] <gimmel> EriC^^: It's currently Windows 8.1 - I made the Ubuntu USB within Ubuntu, using Statup Disk Creator
[11:13] <gimmel> EriC^^: I was mistaken, even after making those BIOS changes, the USB simply doesn't show up in the boot options. I mistakenly thought one of the boot device entries was the USB, but it was just the HDD.
[11:14] <EriC^^> gimmel: i see try a different usb port and try disabling fastboot if that's enabled
[11:14] <gimmel> EriC^^: already disabled fastboot. I'll try a different port.
[11:15] <_alx_> Everytime I try to update I get this: https://bpaste.net/MXYQ
[11:17] <gimmel> EriC^^: dammit - I should have thought of that. Turns out it won't boot from the USB 3 ports, but it's picked it up and boots from the legacy port.
[11:17] <gimmel> EriC^^: Thanks for remembering what I should have remembered myself.
[11:25] <EriC^^> gimmel: no problem, glad it worked out
[11:31] <Bomber4Chats> Having trouble getting my headphone's in-built mic to be detected by linux mate on my asus laptop. Details:   Linux version 4.15.0-92-generic.   driver=snd_hda_intel    No errors in journalctl -f  when connecting disconnecting device
[11:31] <Bomber4Chats> Ubuntu 18.04.4 LTS \n \l
[11:35] <arunkumar413> some times my ubuntu system freezes upon launching the first app after login. Any idea if such behavior is logged in any log files?
[11:38] <_alx_> where can I find the authentic list of apt sources for ubuntu bionic?
[11:44] <promille> Hi guys. Ubuntu 19.10 64bit (installed yesterday) is very slow/almost unresponsive when GPU VRAM usage is maxed out (e.g. when running hashmap, folding@home, stress tests like Unigine Superposition). Is this expected behaviour? Geforce RTX 2060 with 440 open source driver from ppa graphic-driver.
[11:45] <promille> It's fine when clock frequency is maxed out, but not the graphics RAM.
[12:37]  * oerheks sips coffee, black with milk & sugar
[12:54] <howudodat> having a weird problem on ubuntu 19.10 running on a dell laptop.  when I click on a window's title bar it wont come to the fore.  I have disabled all extensions.  and I have set focus-mode to something other than the default 'click' and then set it back.  This has been happening for about a month or so
[13:02] <ioria> howudodat, have you checked in gnome-tweaks ? or just used gsettings ?
[13:12] <howudodat> ioria: yes I have looked through both and not found anything in particular, of course there are 10k settings in gsettings/dconf
[13:14] <oerheks> rename ~/.config and logout/login to see what happens?
[13:14] <ioria> howudodat, let's start with this : gsettings get org.gnome.desktop.wm.preferences focus-mode
[13:15] <howudodat> 'click'
[13:15] <ioria> howudodat, let's start with this : gsettings get org.gnome.desktop.wm.preferences focus-new-windows
[13:15] <howudodat> 'smart'
[13:15] <ioria> howudodat, gsettings get org.gnome.shell.extensions.dash-to-dock click-action
[13:16] <howudodat> focus-or-previews
[13:17] <ioria> howudodat, i don't have that range; try to set it only  to  'preview'
[13:17] <ioria> *s
[13:19] <howudodat> ioria: done
[13:20] <howudodat> btw: yesterday when I set focus-mode to X and then back to 'click' it worked for a while (5-10 minutes) and then stopped again.  I'll see if this last change helps
[13:27] <POQDavid> Hi, i am setting up a dedicated server i was wondering would it be wrong to use none LTS version of ubuntu-server
[13:28] <DArqueBishop> POQDavid: that depends. Is the server only going to be online for less than eighteen months?
[13:28] <oerheks> POQDavid, some choose LTS for stability and rich documentation
[13:29] <pragmaticenigma> POQDavid: For recommendations, polls, and soliciting opinions, please use the #ubuntu-offtpoic channel
[13:29] <oerheks> DArqueBishop, * 9 months
[13:29] <pragmaticenigma> sorry it is: #ubuntu-offtopic channel
[13:29] <POQDavid> ok ty
[13:51] <Phruis> in Plasma if a window is off the screen how can i move it back on?
[13:51] <Phruis> i can see a portion of it
[13:51] <pragmaticenigma> Phruis: if you can click on a portion of the window... press the alt key and click and drag it back into view
[13:52] <Phruis> pragmaticenigma, ahh thanks!
[13:52] <pragmaticenigma> Phruis: Otherwise, right click on the entry in the taskbar, then click more actions in the context menu, and then you will see "Move" there
[13:57] <Nyle> March is almost over!
[13:57] <compdoc> onward march!
[13:57] <Phruis> march is the best month
[13:57] <Nyle> compdoc lockdown goes into effect today
[13:58] <Nyle> Ubuntu 20.04 Beta: April 2, 2020
[13:58] <oerheks> Nyle, keep on topic. chit chat in an other channel.
[13:59] <compdoc> Ive been locked down for weeks, but I did go to buy groceries a few days ago. still alive
[13:59] <Nyle> Next time, message someone to say that.
[14:00] <sumagna> Nyle, compdoc: please use #ubuntu-offtopic for this chit chat
[14:01] <Nyle> People have stopped thinking for themselves a long time ago.
[14:01] <Nyle> Go on. Tell me about #ubuntu-offtopic again.
[14:01] <Nyle> Any more people to repeat this over and over?
[14:01] <oerheks> !ops | Nyle trolls again
[14:01] <Nyle> "again"? Ok. Find logs of me trolling ever.
[14:02] <Nyle> I would very much like to ignore this trouble maker.
[14:02] <sumagna> come in the offtopic channel and see how much i talk, Nyle
[14:02] <Nyle> Kids should not be allowed online without parental supervision. *sigh*
[14:02] <JimBuntu> Nyle: it's not only the idea of trolling, you disregard the policy.
[14:02] <Nyle> Stop talking, if you want the talking to stop...
[14:03] <Nyle> See how you start conflict? When you start playing mall cop. Just stop. Not everyone likes being told what to do by random mall cop wannabes.
[14:03] <Nyle> Ugh. What a way to start the morning. All I wanted to do was see about ubuntu and next months' relesae. But no... someone has to play mall cop and bully and harass me.
[14:03] <sumagna> sorry for argues
[14:03] <Nyle> Shame on you.
[14:03] <Nyle> AFK.
[14:04] <sumagna> sorry for *arguments
[14:04] <sumagna> ask JimBuntu how much i talk in #ubuntu-offtopic channel
[14:04] <pragmaticenigma> sumagna: Please stop, this isn't helping
[14:04] <sumagna> ok sorry
[14:05] <sumagna> sorry pragmaticenigma for arguing
[14:16] <nss> this is only ubuntu channel or kubuntu too?
[14:17] <pragmaticenigma> nss: Ask your question, if it isn't the right channel we can help redirect you. All things "ubuntu" are on topic here. Kubuntu has sometimes better help for things involving the Desktop Environment that some people here may not be familiar with
[14:17] <h00k> nss: normally ubuntu, some of the things are the same regardless of u/k, but there is also #kubuntu as well
[14:24] <tim23423424> hello everyone - I'm running Ubuntu 20.04 on a ThinkPad P50 with I think an Nvidia GPU. Yesterday my external monitor (an LG plugged in with HDMI) worked fine, and then after doing an apt update/upgrade I rebooted and am having some weird issues where screen refresh seems to be quite messed up, but only when the Desktop is visible. It looks like the desktop background isn't being drawn except for the top left corner (and my deskt
[14:24] <tim23423424> round image fits into that smaller top left corner). I also deleted ~/.config/monitors.xml  -- before I did that my monitor wasn't appearing at all and the Displays part of Settings was seeing the monitor but telling me "for hardware reasons" it wasn't working
[14:25] <oerheks> hi tim23423424 until release, support in #ubuntu+1 please
[14:25] <oerheks> to keep beta bugs concentrated
[14:25] <tim23423424> thanks!
[14:29] <nss> i could't find battery life comparisons between kubuntu and ubuntu, someone have some info?
[14:30] <howudodat> ioria: so it worked for a while, but just stopped working again (focus with click)
[14:31] <pragmaticenigma> nss: They will be effectively the same. If you're looking to reduce system load in an effort to reduce battery consumption. You might want to look into the lighter weight edition such as Lubuntu or Xubuntu
[14:32] <sparky8251> is there a 20.04 server install iso? i see a daily desktop one, but im curious if the server one exists somewhere
[14:33] <pragmaticenigma> sparky8251: 20.04 has not been released yet
[14:33] <sparky8251> i know. but they still are minting daily desktop ISOs for testing
[14:33] <oerheks> sparky8251, there is, daily builds http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/daily-live/current/
[14:33] <oerheks> support in #ubuntu+1 please
[14:33] <sparky8251> cool, i wasnt able to find that link. thanks much
[14:34] <_alx_> if I use grep, can I specify multiple -E at the same time?
[14:35] <_alx_> grep -vi -E … -E … -E … -E … ?
[14:36] <pragmaticenigma> _alx_: No, you cannot
[14:37] <_alx_> pragmaticenigma: so the wayto do it would be one, with a bunch of | to match all the cases I need?
[14:37] <pragmaticenigma> yes
[14:37] <oerheks> egrep does, i think, understand egrep 'foo|bar' *.txt
[14:37] <pragmaticenigma> oerheks: egrep is just a shortcut to grep -E
[14:38] <oerheks> oh indeed, then this should work too # grep 'word1\|word2\|word3' /path/to/file
[14:42] <_alx_> i'm actually doing this inside of vim to remove the lines I don't want
[14:42] <_alx_> grep -vi -E "(.mp3)$|(.mid)$|(.zip)$|(.mp4)$|(.ogg)$|(.mxl)$|(.flac)$|(.mscz)$|(.sib)$|(.avi)$|(.jpg)$|(.mkv)$"
[14:43] <pragmaticenigma> _alx_: I don't think that will work, but you can try it. I think "$" will only signify the end of line, at the end of the expression
[14:43] <_alx_> pragmaticenigma: it seems to work on regexr, but I guess I won't know till I try :D
[14:45] <_alx_> pragmaticenigma: it looks like it worked: i'm doing %!grep -vi …. in vim and it reduced my file list to only have the files ending with the extension I was interested in
[14:46] <_alx_> YES! it worked, it was important to add the $ because some files end in .sib.pdf
[14:46] <_alx_> I didn't want false positives
[14:47] <_alx_> vim, regex and grep are SO COOL!!! :D :D :D
[14:59] <ujjain> Hello. How can I mount system.img for Android 10 in Ubuntu?
[14:59] <mike10011088> hello. My Ubuntu won't boot. It's giving me a bunch of PCIe bus errors
[14:59] <ujjain>  Android 9: https://i.imgur.com/MvnYva0.png - Android 10: https://i.imgur.com/hmUMfQy.png - There is no longer ext4 in use for the system partition?
[15:01] <mike10011088> no one?
[15:01] <pragmaticenigma> !patience | mike10011088
[15:02] <pragmaticenigma> also mike10011088 that sounds a lot like hardware failure... if this is a desktop, power down, and remove all the cards in the PCIe slots... then re-seat them one-by-one
[15:02] <mike10011088> it is a laptop and it also has windows on it, which works
[15:03] <compdoc> mike10011088, boot ubuntu from a usb stick or dvd, and see if your drive can be mounted
[15:05] <pragmaticenigma> mike10011088: I would second the live disk boot... it would also tell you if it is your installation that has a problem or if it is hardware. If it is infact hardware, you will see similar message during the live boot
[15:06] <mike10011088> yeah, now windows won't boot either, so I think it is most likely a hardware problem... I will try booting it off an usb stick anyway I suppose
[15:07] <pragmaticenigma> mike10011088: bummer there... hope it's repairable
[15:11] <not_daif> anyone running ubuntu/samba pdc for windows clients?
[15:12] <pragmaticenigma> not_daif: It's often better to explain your issue as detailed as possible for assistance. That way if someone has some understanding about the topic, they will be more likely to respond
[15:19] <ioria> howudodat, i can suggest 3 things : uninstall all local extensions ; switch to wayland for a testing purpose ; reset gsettings to default
[15:20] <howudodat> ioria: thanks.  I'll probably suffer until 20.04 is released.  I have already disabled all extensions and it still happens.
[15:23] <ioria> howudodat, fully updated ? sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade
[15:27] <pavlos> mike10011088: there is a boot-repair.iso you can burn on a usb, boot from there and hopefully will fix boot issues
[15:28] <pavlos> mike10011088: https://sourceforge.net/p/boot-repair-cd/home/Home/
[15:29] <oerheks> there is a factoid for that
[15:29] <oerheks> !bootrepair
[15:35] <Malgorath> I don't know if this is the place to ask and if not I'd apperciate a bit of direction to look at.  I am using a 18.04 server for my gateway at home since I have dual gigabit  ethernet ports so bandwidth isn't an issue on it. Anyways my issue is I have dhcp running ipv4 net fowarding and my other PC gets DHCP address from server but it does not tracert.exe from the windows box does not go beyond the gateway, I am sure I missed something small
[15:38] <pragmaticenigma> Malgorath: This might be better asked in ##networking or #ubuntu-server... though it sounds like DHCP maybe isn't pushing routes to the clients?
[15:39] <tomtastic> You can check by opening a command prompt on windows and typing 'route print'
[15:40] <tomtastic> Make sure the 'Gateway' is the IP of your router
[15:42] <tomtastic> Amusingly, I see the same behaviour in my Win10 VM, anyway this question belongs in a windows or networking channel
[15:43] <usr13> Malgorath: So you are using the 18.04 server as router for your LAN?
[15:45] <mike10011088> pavlos too late for that haha but thank you, it seems very useful and I'll use it in the future
[15:48] <Malgorath> usr13, yes
[15:51] <usr13> Malgorath: So the 18.04 server's gateway is working ok.... Right?  (You can access internet from it?)
[15:52] <Malgorath> usr13, yes I get on the internet fine, the internal network seems to ping and respond fine
[15:52] <Malgorath> only issue I am having is getting passed the gateway, like I'm gonna reboot and see if it was just something I forgot to restart brb
[15:52] <Hamilton> Can someone help me with this? my OS's hplip wasn't working. So I removed it and nuked the /usr/share/hplip.. Then I initiated installation of hplip from a scritp. Problem is, it is using pip2 as SUDO to fetch a shitload amount of deps...What should I do now?
[15:53] <howudodat> ioria: upgrade, full-upgrade, dist-upgrade all report 0, so I should be fully up2date
[15:53] <usr13> Malgorath: So look at the DHCP info that is being issued from the 18.04 server, check one of the PCs to see
[15:54] <usr13> Manouchehri: Ok, reboot and report back to us.
[15:54] <usr13>  Ok, reboot and report back to us. was for Malgorath
[15:54] <usr13> Sorry Manouchehri
[15:54] <Manouchehri> reporting in for duty
[15:55] <dg14> hi all, where i can write something about focal?
[15:57] <pavlos> dg14: channel #ubuntu+1
[15:57] <dg14> thanks pavlos
[15:58] <usr13> Did you enable IP packet forwarding?
[16:00] <usr13> I suppose Malgorath is not back yet.
[16:06] <ioria> howudodat, yeah; is it affected only the title bar or  the entire window ?
[16:07] <howudodat> ioria: I thought it was only the title bar, but it also seems to affect the rest of the window.  I can see that the main window loses it's focus and the other gains it, it just doesn't come to the top
[16:15] <ioria> howudodat, as far as i understand, you want an auto-rise of the focused window ?
[16:17] <ioria> howudodat, if so, set Windows Focus to 'Sloppy' and run  ' gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.wm.preferences auto-raise true '
[16:19] <howudodat> ioria: auto-raise was already set, I changed focus-mode to sloppy, lets see how that goes
[16:19] <ioria> ok
[16:20] <JohnnyonFlame> I've hit some of the weirdest issues on ubuntu, my monitor's line-out over displayport (rx480, foss drivers) is emiting some weird whining noise when booted into ubuntu and it happens even if both volumes are set to 0, I can't reproduce it on windows either
[16:21] <anon_linux> Olá a todos
[16:21] <anon_linux> Where do I download Ubuntu 20.04
[16:22] <lordcirth_> anon_linux, 20.04 is discussed in #ubuntu+1
[16:22] <pragmaticenigma> anon_linux: Ubuntu 20.04 has not been released yet... it is for testing purposes only
[16:23] <anon_linux> ok
[16:26] <Zajt> Hi! I'm running an Ubuntu 18.04 in Azure, and I am trying to run hashcat but I get "clGetPlatformIDs(): CL_PLATFORM_NOT_FOUND_KHR" - so I googled and followed the steps at the top here: https://github.com/intel/compute-runtime/releases - but get same error after I ran and installed those
[16:26] <Zajt> What else can I try?
[16:26] <monojamoon|> Still stuck with this problem: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1219977/how-to-resolve-acer-wmi-errors-filling-up-kern-log-and-syslog
[16:27] <monojamoon|> So solution yet :(
[16:30] <howudodat> ioria: so those settings made no difference.
[16:30] <ioria> howudodat, no idea then; create a new user and test it
[16:32] <pragmaticenigma> Zajt: Why are you following instructions for Desktop/Servers when you are running the cloud instance. For help and support for Azure, please consult with the Azure support team. The images used there do not follow the documentation the community relies upon to provide support.
[16:32] <TomyWork> I'm using a logitech g933 headset on linux. works out of the box, but the sound is thin, as if the DSP was off
[16:33] <TomyWork> sounds like on windows before the logitech gaming software initializes it. any idea if that can be helped?
[16:34] <Zajt> alright I see, thanks pragmaticenigma
[16:34] <pragmaticenigma> TomyWork: sounds like there is a proprietary driver involved there... don't think there is much anyone can do here
[16:37] <pavlos> TomyWork: install pavucontrol and see if playing with the settings helps
[16:41] <TomyWork> nah, unfortunately not
[16:43] <TomyWork> https://github.com/Sapd/HeadsetControl there's this, which actually tells me the battery level and presumably also sets sidetone (no idea how to test it), but it doesn't enable the DSP, unfortunately
[16:44] <TomyWork> i'll see what their support says about this :)
[16:45] <pragmaticenigma> TomyWork: have you seen this: https://hobo.house/2016/01/26/logitech-g933-wireless-headset-linux/
[16:52] <TomyWork> pragmaticenigma, the article itself didn't help much, but one of the commenters mentioned in passing that one of the G buttons defaults to "surround on/off"
[16:52] <irrationaljessy> hey, firefox runs super slow, and results in my whole pc running slowly (even under light load). It's the only app to do this. Is there anyway I can find out what's going wrong?
[16:52] <pragmaticenigma> TomyWork: I saw some stuff in there on checking if the profile is setup correctly
[16:53] <pragmaticenigma> irrationaljessy: look for extensions being installed in firefox that you don't remember installing or don't need anymore
[16:53] <TomyWork> one of the other buttons seems to default to audio profile switching
[16:53] <TomyWork> the top one
[16:54] <irrationaljessy> pragmaticenigma: running in safe mode, no extension
[16:54] <IntelCore> hi, grub will load, and ubuntu works, but sda2 is red in gparted. can that get rebuild, or fixed?
[16:54] <IntelCore> because Win10 wont boot
[16:54] <pragmaticenigma> IntelCore: what do SMART controls report on the device? red usually means dead I think
[16:55] <IntelCore> no.. I an using the pc now
[16:55] <IntelCore> ubuntu works
[16:56] <pragmaticenigma> IntelCore: In Gparted... there should be a menu option to see SMART control reports
[16:56] <IntelCore> so far no viruses
[16:56] <pragmaticenigma> ah I give up IntelCore ... you're not going to try and help me to help you
[16:57] <IntelCore> defender had no report before this
[16:58] <pavlos> IntelCore: there is a disks app that allows you to look at smart data
[16:59] <oerheks> if that sda2 is windows, fix from windows?
[16:59] <pavlos> he say, win10 wont boot
[17:00] <oerheks> and there are tons of malware out there, defender does not see
[17:00] <oerheks> antivirus live iso perhaps?
[17:01] <IntelCore> there is a repair from gparted
[17:01] <IntelCore> search for filesystem..
[17:02] <IntelCore> 013456.. and 2 is fried
[17:03] <IntelCore> uefi-gpt drive
[17:08] <monojamoon|> What is the best way to at an executable to path in for terminal used in Ubuntu?
[17:08] <monojamoon|> *add an executable
[17:09] <monojamoon|> editing the .bashrc?
[17:10] <pavlos> example export PATH=$PATH:/opt/wine-stable/bin  ...
[17:10] <IntelCore> clam=Tk see 16 things so far,, ruy roh
[17:10] <monojamoon|> thanks pavlos
[17:11] <pragmaticenigma> monojamoon|: better approach is to put a link in one of the /bin folders... ideally ~/.local/bin
[17:11] <monojamoon|> @pavlos, and if I want to append another executable into the path. An executable with a different path than /opt/wine-stable/bin
[17:12] <monojamoon|> ok, pragmaticenigma! Checking up on how to create a link.
[17:13] <pragmaticenigma> monojamoon|: "ln -s /path/to/target/executable /path/to/save/link/at"
[17:13] <monojamoon|> Thanks :)
[17:13] <monojamoon|> trying it out.
[17:13] <pragmaticenigma> monojamoon|: I frequently check "man ln" for the instructions... just to double check
[17:15] <IntelCore> oerheks - registry corrupt that bad?
[17:15] <pavlos> example export PATH=$PATH:/opt/wine-stable/bin:/someotherlocation/bin  ...
[17:16] <monojamoon|> Nice :)
[17:16] <IntelCore> oerheks - what antiVirus to fet to a usb?
[17:16] <IntelCore> get
[17:17] <IntelCore> let me look at housecall..
[17:17] <oerheks> anything will do, as long as your windows is not running
[17:18] <pavlos> monojamoon|: echo $PATH ... you will see how the paths are ...
[17:21] <monojamoon|> ok
[17:23] <IntelCore> oerheks - in winPE..
[17:35] <IntelCore> i find an article at MS that tells about this..corrupted
[17:36] <IntelCore> clam-tk finding many things
[17:47] <itxo> in kubuntu after setting the laptop to sleep and then starting it again, the names of icons on the desktop display white boxes
[17:47] <itxo> whats causing this?
[17:49] <ioria> itxo, have you tried to restart plasmashell ?
[17:55] <itxo> ioria no, I log out and log back in to fix it every time, but I think it's time to fix this
[18:06] <Blackout_Inc> How to open the file explorer from terminal?
[18:10] <bluesj0t> How do I reset my USB mouse driver
[18:10] <bluesj0t> Mouse works on macbook but not on ubuntu (at all) it's a deathadder chroma
[18:10] <bluesj0t> Even doesnt work with openrazer installed
[18:11] <ioria> itxo, i suppose you're using nvidia driver ?
[18:15] <Glorfindel> Blackout_Inc: depends which one you are using. if you are able to open it from the app drawer or whatever you can find out by navigating to Help > About
[18:16] <Glorfindel> I'm not sure what the default is for ubuntu as I haven't used the main flavor for a while
[18:20] <oerheks> Blackout_Inc, why not just use the icon?
[18:20] <IntelCore> :)
[18:21] <Blackout_Inc> Just asking to know
[18:21] <pavlos> Blackout_Inc: try nautilus
[18:21] <IntelCore> clam find 1250 not done 'file system
[18:22] <oerheks> IntelCore, could well be a lot of false positives.
[18:22] <IntelCore> this shows haw lame that win10 is
[18:22] <oerheks> no, it is explainable, i just did.
[18:22] <IntelCore> i hate them now
[18:22] <itxo> ioria yes.
[18:23] <ioria> itxo, someone solved with : NVIDIA X Server Settings -> Prime Profiles -> Check NVIDIA On-Demand
[18:24] <ioria> itxo, logout /login , suspend and resume
[18:24] <itxo> Okay. Thanks.
[18:25] <ioria> ok
[18:26] <IntelCore> end of life 18.04 ?
[18:27] <itxo> IntelCore We'll survive beyond that I believe.
[18:27] <IntelCore> unbuntu Covid ?
[18:27] <oerheks> yes, end of life, soon .. 3 years.
[20:10] <Comnenus> Does anyone know which file the proxy setting gets stored in when it prompts in the installer?
[20:16] <pavlos> Comnenus: it might be in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/proxy.conf
[20:16] <Comnenus> pavlos: thanks!
[20:44] <Goop> I do I make a Ubuntu Desktop that is so stripped down that it only has a web browser?
[20:44] <Goop> Maybe a terminal, in case I need to install other graphical programs.
[20:44] <Goop> No libre office, no media player
[20:45] <oerheks> there is --no-install-recommends for a minimal desktop
[20:45] <ioria> Goop, https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2018/02/ubuntu-18-04-minimal-install-option
[20:45] <oerheks> or the option in the installer, too
[20:46] <pragmaticenigma> https://ubuntu.com/tutorials/secure-ubuntu-kiosk#1-overview
[20:46] <pragmaticenigma> Goop: use kiosk instructions ^ ^
[20:58] <LordDoskias> hello i have 64g ram and Xorg is using 22.6% of that which seems a lot, my uptime is 14 days and xorg version is: 1:7.7+19ubuntu8~18.04.3
[20:59] <oerheks> LordDoskias, browser open with 50 tabs?
[20:59] <LordDoskias> just 13 actually
[20:59] <LordDoskias> i'm using chromium, let me close it and see what happens
[20:59] <oerheks> that would be a good test.
[21:00] <LordDoskias> closed it and no change
[21:00] <LordDoskias> ps -eo pmem,pcpu,vsize,pid,cmd | sort -k 1 -nr | head -5
[21:00] <LordDoskias> 22.6  2.1 21923752 12599 /usr/lib/xorg/Xorg vt2 -displayfd 3 -auth /run/user/1000/gdm/Xauthority -background none -noreset -keeptty -verbose 3
[21:01] <kostkon> LordDoskias, you could try loggin out and see if that makes any difference
[21:01] <LordDoskias> you mean simply log out and not reboot the computer?
[21:02] <LordDoskias> let me try, brb :)
[21:03] <LordDoskias> ok, log out log in fixed it
[21:03] <kostkon> LordDoskias, did you play any games
[21:04] <LordDoskias> yes, i played guild wars 2 via lutris/qemu
[21:04] <LordDoskias> wine that is, not qemu :D
[21:04] <oerheks> :-)
[21:05] <LordDoskias> but after i finish playing and close/kill all processes i.e wine and gw2 then shouldn't the memory be freed
[21:07] <oerheks> dmesg | grep -i memory
[21:07] <LordDoskias> now after the logout dmesg doesn't contain anything with memory in it
[21:08] <LordDoskias> let me play for a couple of minutes and see if xorg takes more memory
[21:11] <Aleric> Russian roulette: $ !sudo
[21:31] <Mrhubris> so i'm using ubuntu 19.10 with firefox 74.0 (64-bit). I'm listening to music using Deezer. I don't know if this is deezer or firefox or ubuntu but each time a new song starts, a new "sound item" is added in the sound section of settings
[21:31] <Mrhubris> each time the volume is "reset" to a lower value
[21:31] <Mrhubris> anyone else noticed this?
[21:32] <Mrhubris> I don't know if this an ubuntu "issue" or if it only happens with Deezer so it's more a general question i belive
[21:32] <Mrhubris> believe*
[21:35] <sc0utonlinux> Hello, how do i set my main display with displaymanager? there deosn't seem to be a check box
[21:35] <Mrhubris> if you use ubuntu 19.10
[21:35] <sc0utonlinux> i am
[21:35] <Mrhubris> you have two displays (or more)
[21:35] <sc0utonlinux> 3
[21:35] <oerheks> om 18.04 one can set primairy display
[21:36] <Mrhubris> just below that you have selection screen for "primary monitor"
[21:36] <Mrhubris> you can set it there
[21:37] <sc0utonlinux> no i have just display "enabled"
[21:37] <sc0utonlinux> is that it ?
[21:37] <sc0utonlinux> they are all ticked but no "primary display"
[21:38] <sc0utonlinux> https://i.imgur.com/JcVMlmk.png
[21:39] <Mrhubris> ah kde :-)
[21:39] <sc0utonlinux> i think i found it .. im in the nvida x server settings
[21:39] <Mrhubris> :-)
[21:40] <pnwise> Does anyone know what would be the default python version for the new server
[21:40] <pnwise> new = 20.04
[21:40] <pnwise> Seems like 3.8?
[21:40] <tomreyn> !ubuntu+1
[21:40] <sc0utonlinux> do I need to save the x configuration file ? or will it remember automatically ?
[21:43] <tomreyn> i suspect nvidia-settings just dumps whatever it thinks should be there to /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[21:44] <tomreyn> if so, that'll be preserved across reboots
[21:45] <Mrhubris> i think i found my own answer. For other struggling with the whole audio thing: https://linuxhint.com/per_application_sound_volume_ubuntu/
[21:45] <sc0utonlinux> i can't find the xorg.conf :(
[21:46] <sc0utonlinux> is it called something different perhaps in Kubuntu ?
[21:47] <sc0utonlinux> https://i.imgur.com/NUU1mJU.png
[21:47] <tomreyn> sc0utonlinux: no, it'd be the same file name. but it's not normally present, the only software i know writes it is this nvidia proprietary driver, which i think nvidia-settings is part of.
[21:47] <dont-panic> I'm on 19.04 and sometimes when I open my laptop and attempt to install software, it tells me apt is locked.  When I check I see its automatically doing updates without asking.  I'm not trying to turn this off, I'd just like to know if 20.04 will also be doing this so I know if I should walk away from ubuntu.  This is the first time I've really questioned the direction of the OS since 2004.  Updates
[21:47] <dont-panic> should never happen without a user being asked.
[21:48] <tomreyn> !19.04 | dont-panic
[21:48] <dont-panic> tomreyn: you clearly didn't read what I said, I'm aware of the support dates
[21:48] <oerheks> dont-panic, it happens after boot, pretty normal
[21:49] <dont-panic> oerheks: you also did not read.  I'm not asking if its normal, I'm wondering if its a bug that will also be in 20.04.  I do not see auto updates as a feature.
[21:49] <tomreyn> dont-panic: for a matter of fact EOL releases aren't supported here, though.
[21:49] <oerheks> basicly, *if* you want to install something, one should be fully updated. you can turn it off.
[21:50] <dont-panic> tomreyn: I didn't ask about support, I asked an OS question.
[21:50] <dont-panic> tomreyn: for 20.04, not for 19.04
[21:50] <oerheks> but then people come to complain; apt gives error..
[21:50] <tomreyn> dont-panic: that's the same to me. see the /topic for what this channel is about.
[21:50] <dont-panic> tomreyn: ok, I',m using 18.04 on my desktop, it auto updates, will this be around in 20.04 as a bug as well?
[21:51] <EriC^> bug?
[21:51] <tomreyn> !20.04 | dont-panic
[21:51] <dont-panic> I've been using ubuntu since 2004, the date.  I'm aware of how it works, auto updates are a bug in my field.
[21:51] <oerheks> dont-panic, on your own risk>> https://linuxconfig.org/disable-automatic-updates-on-ubuntu-18-04-bionic-beaver-linux
[21:51] <dont-panic> I'm going back to arch, no wonder most people I know stopped using this os.
[21:52] <oerheks> bye!
[21:52] <EriC^> lame
[21:52] <oerheks> 1 less unsafe system on the internets
[21:53] <pnwise> Wait I think that is the behaviour since like forever
[21:53] <pnwise> or at least after 16.04
[21:53] <JimBuntu> yes, AFTER 16.04
[21:53] <pnwise> might have been before that, but I did not noticed it
[21:54] <pnwise> ...and you can also disable it
[21:54] <EriC^> i think it used to require a password input, maybe not anymore?
[21:54] <pnwise> and like almost every distro does have automatic updates
[21:54] <oerheks> jups, sometimes inconveniant.. but helpfull
[21:54] <pnwise> well not the rolling release ones
[21:54] <JimBuntu> EriC^: it used to bring up a notice and allow you to apply them or not
[21:54] <pnwise> nah it just runs in the background
[21:54] <pnwise> tbh it could be annoying
[21:55] <EriC^> it sometimes is, it's easy to disable though
[21:55] <pnwise> sometimes when I have not turned on my laptop for a long time and I want to do something fast coulf be pita
[21:55] <pauljw> it's annoying when you have data caps
[21:55] <pnwise> yeah agree - never was enough of a problem to bother disabling it
[21:55] <EriC^> or when you just need to install something and it's on a update quest in the background, no apt til its done
[21:56] <tomreyn> pauljw: does updating still happen when you have your connection set to limit background data?
[21:56] <pauljw> yep
[21:56] <pauljw> don't know tomreyn, i just disable auto updates and do them manually before 8am.
[21:57] <tomreyn> i see. but i assume it would work around it.
[21:57] <pauljw> it may
[21:58] <vimart> Hi
[21:58] <sc0utonlinux> Im very happy with Kubuntu :)
[21:58] <amazoniantoad> Hey guys. I can't put my laptop on hibernate but when I close the lid the screen only becomes black, with some text across the top of the screen. Could someone help me fix this issue?
[21:59] <EriC^> amazoniantoad: this might help with hibernate ussues and similar stufff http://iam.tj/prototype/enhancements/Windows-acpi_osi.html
[22:00] <amazoniantoad> thanks EriC^
[22:00] <EriC^> no problem amazoniantoad
[22:02] <tomreyn> other reasons why hibernation wouldn't work are no or not enough active / usable swap space, a swap file rather than a swap partition in combination with some file systems (btrfs subvolumes and zfs, IIRC)
[22:02] <sixwheeledbeast> Are you sure it's hibernate and not sleep? I don't believe hibernate is used as default due to the potential of a hardware issue
[22:02] <r3dux> Hello, can I ask for help on this channel or is there a specific ubuntu help channel?
[22:03] <sc0utonlinux> For the sleep problem could it not just simply be the "energy saving" settings ?
[22:03] <sixwheeledbeast> hibernate should store to disk and sleep/suspend would store to RAM
[22:03] <oerheks> r3dux, ask, wait and see :-)
[22:04] <tomreyn> !support | r3dux
[22:04] <sixwheeledbeast> Also yes it could just be that the settings are set not to suspend on lid close and the screensaver is active or the like
[22:05] <amazoniantoad> EriC^: it worked. Thanks
[22:05] <amazoniantoad> I have another issue now. I cannot control the brightness of my screen. Can someone help me figure out this issue?
[22:07] <tomreyn> that's also ACPI related, probably the same root cause
[22:08] <r3dux> Hello family! I have a surface book 2 in which I have removed windows 10 and replaced it with linux. I would also like to get rid of windows boot manager so when i restart my machine I am not greeted with a windows logo or the secure boot lock. I have to use a specific kernel for my hardware and dont want to have to sign everything to make secure boot happy. Can I get rid of windows boot manager?
[22:08] <amazoniantoad> tomreyn: well the solution provided to me did not solve the brightness issue.
[22:08] <amazoniantoad> What should I do?
[22:09] <amazoniantoad> r3dux: you could just disable secure boot, right? I get if you don't want to do that though
[22:09] <tomreyn> amazoniantoad: what's the change you made while enacting the solution that was provided to you?
[22:09] <amazoniantoad> tomreyn: I simply ran the following script: http://iam.tj/prototype/enhancements/acpi_osi.sh
[22:09] <r3dux> amazoniantoad: secure boot is disabled. It has to be disabled to work with the unsigned kernal I use.
[22:09] <oerheks>  surface book 2 .. ouch
[22:10] <tomreyn> amazoniantoad: did you reboot since?
[22:10] <amazoniantoad> tomreyn: yes
[22:10] <r3dux> I have tried to go about signing it but can never see to figure it out. I think id need some hand holding to complete that.
[22:10] <tomreyn> oh okay. so     cat /proc/cmdline    will tell which options were set.
[22:10] <tomreyn> amazoniantoad: ^
[22:11] <oerheks> one needs a special kernel for that :-( >>>> https://github.com/linux-surface/linux-surface
[22:11] <amazoniantoad> tomreyn: BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-5.3.0-42-generic root=UUID=656652a0-e65c-4f90-8746-c260dc10dd08 ro acpi_osi=! "acpi_osi=Windows 2015" quiet splash vt.handoff=1
[22:11] <r3dux> oerheks: ouch indeed! I will say it works great though. I have everything working, touch, the pen, audio, it all works great. I just don't want to have to see the windows logo and that stupid secure boot screen each time it starts up.
[22:11] <tomreyn> amazoniantoad: and your brightness keys worked before this change was made?
[22:11] <amazoniantoad> tomreyn: they never worked
[22:11] <oerheks> r3dux, I SEE, NO FIX FOR THAT I AM AFRAID
[22:12] <oerheks> OOPS
[22:12] <pnwise> amazoniantoad, what machine?
[22:12] <amazoniantoad> pnwise: asus zenbook
[22:13] <r3dux> oerheks: So I have to keep windows boot manager? Is there a way I can hide it from displaying at startup like is possible with grub?
[22:13] <tomreyn> amazoniantoad: hmm, then you may need to review the system log for what happens when you press those keys, as well as for the acpi initialization during boot, to get a better idea of why they don't work. finally, you could also use "xev" to get the key scan codes that need to be handled and work from there.
[22:13] <pnwise> did you try detecting the keys with acpi_list
[22:13] <pnwise> I had to switch to that for my new laptop
[22:13] <amazoniantoad> pnwise:
[22:14] <oerheks> r3dux, no clue, if your bios does not give that option, live with it :-(
[22:14] <pnwise> oh wait you are probably normal person with the gnome DE
[22:14] <amazoniantoad> pnwise: no tomreyn: how?
[22:14] <oerheks> ubuntu20.04 shows all sorts of vendors basicly ..
[22:14] <r3dux> oerheks: :(
[22:14] <tomreyn> amazoniantoad: "no" and "how" to what?
[22:15] <amazoniantoad> Oh sorry. pnwise asked if I tried detecting the keys with acpi_list. And I was asking you about how to execute the event tester, but I realized you were providing me with the command
[22:16] <tomreyn> xev is just X events, acpi events should be handled directly by the kernel (and potentially systemd) ideally.
[22:17] <amazoniantoad> I see
[22:17] <tomreyn> but you could assign X events as a fallback. solving it on the ACPI/kernel level would be the better approach, though, and  pnwise's suggestion points towards that
[22:18] <pnwise> amazoniantoad, https://ivan.reallusiondesign.com/i3wm-brightness-control-on-t480s/
[22:18] <pnwise> somethin like this
[22:19] <pnwise> but I think the command there is wrong
[22:19] <pnwise> I think it was acpi_listen
[22:19] <pnwise> if you are not detecting the keys with xev
[22:19] <pnwise> it is acpi event
[22:20] <amazoniantoad> pnwise: thanks. I'm reading the page now
[22:22] <pnwise> np, also seems you might be able to use different way to control the brightness
[22:22] <pnwise> not sure if yours will be in /sys/class/backlight/intel_backlight/brightness
[22:22] <pnwise> might be elsewhere, for sure will be elsewhere if you are having zenbook with amd
[22:22] <amazoniantoad> pnwise: acpi_list is a command not found
[22:23] <tomreyn> https://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/bionic/en/man8/acpi_listen.8.html is part of the "acpid" package.
[22:23] <amazoniantoad> Oh I see
[22:23] <amazoniantoad> lol, thanks guys
[22:23] <tomreyn> but then acpi control has since been handed over to systemd, so i'm not actually sure this will still work. worth a try, though.
[22:24] <tomreyn> or maybe not, hmm, i'm unsure
[22:28] <tomreyn> so acpid and acpi-support are still installed by default on desktops. so i guess systemd only handles some of the calls and putting the system to sleep / hibernation
[22:30] <forgotmynick> is it "safe" to mount an lxc volume on the host machine while the container is running to back it up?
[22:38] <amazoniantoad> tomreyn: it didn't work :<
[22:39] <amazoniantoad> I'm using my traditional buttons to trigger the brightness change, though
[22:41] <amazoniantoad> tomreyn: the bash scripts themselves don't work either
[22:42] <Traca> Hello
[22:43] <tomreyn> amazoniantoad: okay, i haven't used acpi_listen since years ago. i'd start with system logs.
[22:43] <amazoniantoad> thanks
[22:43] <tomreyn> hi Traca
[22:45] <tomreyn> forgotmynick: https://serverfault.com/questions/513573/accessing-lxc-containers-filesystem-from-host
[22:46] <pnwise> amazoniantoad, keys are either detected with xev or acpi_listen
[22:46] <pnwise> so should start from there I think
[22:46] <amazoniantoad> pnwise: the keys are being detected. The script just doesn't work
[22:46] <pnwise> I told you your brightness is probably somewhere else
[22:46] <pnwise> this is for intel  intergated gpus
[22:47] <amazoniantoad> Oh
[22:47] <pnwise> ls -lha /sys/class/backlight/
[22:47] <pnwise> what does it show
[22:47] <pnwise> if anything at all
[22:47] <amazoniantoad> intel_backlight -> ../../devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:02.0/drm/card0/card0-eDP-1/intel_backlight
[22:48] <pnwise> cat /sys/class/backlight/intel_backlight/brightness
[22:48] <pnwise> does it give some number?
[22:48] <amazoniantoad> yes
[22:48] <pnwise> what is?
[22:48] <amazoniantoad> 3661
[22:49] <pnwise> sudo echo 3361 > /sys/class/backlight/intel_backlight/brightness
[22:49] <pnwise> should lower it
[22:49] <pnwise> hm maybe I gave you too low of a number
[22:49] <pnwise> try 3561
[22:50] <amazoniantoad> it says permission denined...using sudo though
[22:50] <pnwise> then do sudo -i
[22:50] <Jordan_U> pnwise: That will run "echo" as root, while bash (running as the user) will try to write to /sys/.
[22:50] <Jordan_U> amazoniantoad: pnwise: No need for sudo -i...
[22:50] <sc0utonlinux> what VM is best for Ubuntu ?
[22:50] <pnwise> and run the command without sudo
[22:50] <amazoniantoad> sc0utonlinux: depends on your intentions and hardware
[22:50] <pnwise> kk Jordan_U will help you out
[22:51] <amazoniantoad> thanks pnwise Jordan_U so what should I do?
[22:51] <Jordan_U> amazoniantoad: pnwise: echo 3561 | sudo tee /sys/class/backlight/intel_backlight/brightness
[22:51] <amazoniantoad> Okay
[22:51] <amazoniantoad> Nothing happened?
[22:51] <amazoniantoad> Should I lower it more?
[22:51] <Jordan_U> pnwise: That runs echo as the normal user, but pipes the output to tee running as root. Since it's tee that's writing the file, and tee is running as root, it works as intended.
[22:52] <sc0utonlinux> amazoniantoad: Windows - photoshop and stability
[22:52] <pnwise> idk man ask Jordan_U
[22:53] <amazoniantoad> sc0utonlinux: there is gimp for ubuntu...There are different types of virtualization. One in which all vm's are running directly on the hardware. and one in which all vm's are running directly within a host OS (in your case windows)
[22:53] <amazoniantoad> So I'm assuming you want to run all vm's inside of windows, yes?
[22:57] <amazoniantoad> Jordan_U: nothing happened
[22:59] <glestrade> hi again all
[22:59] <sc0utonlinux> amazoniantoad: my host os is Ubuntu
[22:59] <sc0utonlinux> I want to run windows in a window on Ubuntu
[22:59] <Jordan_U> amazoniantoad: What is the output of "cat /sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:02.0/drm/card0/card0-eDP-1/intel_backlight" ?
[22:59] <sc0utonlinux> I'm not sure if that is what you are saying
[22:59] <sc0utonlinux> forgive my noobyness
[23:00] <amazoniantoad> sc0utonlinux: You should look at either vmware or virtualbox. Virtualbox is free. vmware and virtualbox are equal in their usability and functionality
[23:00] <Ben64> or libvirt
[23:00] <amazoniantoad> Other options are kinda out of your range, like xen or libvirt
[23:00] <Ben64> :|
[23:00] <glestrade> I got grub to work last time via a stack overflow answer
[23:00] <amazoniantoad> Ben64: he's not capable of that
[23:00] <amazoniantoad> He's new
[23:00] <Ben64> why not? it's easy
[23:00] <amazoniantoad> Let him understand the fundamentals of virtualization before that
[23:00] <Ben64> you don't have to understand it
[23:00] <Ben64> you press button and it works
[23:01] <amazoniantoad> He could break his computer. Oh you mean the gui?
[23:01] <amazoniantoad> I forget it has a gui...
[23:01] <amazoniantoad> sorry
[23:01] <amazoniantoad> I still say virtualbox is his best bet
[23:01] <glestrade> i have another question
[23:01] <Ben64> vbox is pretty meh
[23:01] <amazoniantoad> Jordan_U: No such file or directory
[23:02] <amazoniantoad> Ben64: you're being elitist. sc0utonlinux go watch a video showing the difference between the two. I'm sure you will choose virtualbox over libvirt.
[23:02] <Ben64> elitist? lol
[23:02] <forgotmynick> you the man tomreyn
[23:02] <amazoniantoad> there's no reason for him to dive into libvirt other than it being harder for him
[23:03] <Ben64> i used virtualbox for years, it works, but libvirt works better
[23:03] <glestrade> guys let’s not scold linux people about elitism. it’s like a siren song for arch users :P
[23:03] <sc0utonlinux> I aprecaite both of your inputs
[23:03] <Ben64> so if elitist means choosing the superior option...
[23:03] <amazoniantoad> Under the hood it works better, but he doesn't need that.
[23:03] <oerheks> KVM for the win
[23:04] <amazoniantoad> sc0utonlinux: use either virtualbox or vmware. You are not capable of the other options right now. Or the options have poor interfaces (like libvirt)
[23:04] <amazoniantoad> hehe
[23:04] <Ben64> sc0utonlinux: you're definitely capable of using libvirt
[23:04] <amazoniantoad> He doesn't even understand virtualization...
[23:04] <sc0utonlinux> I've had virtual box crash on me a few times .. and in the software manager it's only version 5.3 .. where as on the website its 6+ .I'm wondering which VM is most stable.
[23:04] <Ben64> you don't need to understand it!
[23:04] <amazoniantoad> Ben64: then he shouldn't use it
[23:05] <glestrade> my question: if I go visit a package repository that has a ppa
[23:05] <amazoniantoad> Don't use a car unless you know the basics
[23:05] <Ben64> that's dumb
[23:05] <Ben64> most people don't know how a car works and drive fine
[23:05] <amazoniantoad> Knowing how something operates before you operate it is dumb?
[23:05] <glestrade> can I presumably get an old version
[23:05] <sc0utonlinux> I had not heard of libvirt .. I will do what you say watch a few videos and read about both
[23:05] <amazoniantoad> sc0utonlinux: vmware is a paid alternative to virtualbox with a free client
[23:06] <sc0utonlinux> Please don't fight .. :°) i apreciate both of your help :D and advice
[23:06] <glestrade> several times when I’ve needed to do something new I surprised myself
[23:06] <Ben64> file -> new virtual machine
[23:06] <Ben64> i don't see how that's hard?
[23:06] <glestrade> like I put on a spare tire. didn’t think I could do that
[23:06] <Ben64> then you pick the installation media and you're up and running, ez pz
[23:07] <amazoniantoad> I guess we will find out which one is superior...sc0utonlinux
[23:07] <amazoniantoad> Come back and tell us what you choose
[23:07] <amazoniantoad> We should bet some money on this, Ben64
[23:07] <Ben64> what's your deal
[23:07] <amazoniantoad> I'm just being silly
[23:07] <Ben64> i know, why
[23:08] <amazoniantoad> I'm bored? Is being silly a bad thing to do? I'm waiting for Jordan_U to help me
[23:08] <glestrade> guess I’ll have to ask my ppa question later haha
[23:08] <Jordan_U> amazoniantoad: ls /sys/class/backlight/
[23:08] <glestrade> it’s getting crowded in here
[23:08] <Ben64> amazoniantoad: well it'd be great if you weren't misleading
[23:08] <amazoniantoad> Jordan_U: intel_backlight
[23:08] <amazoniantoad> Ben64: misleading because you don
[23:08] <amazoniantoad> don't agree*
[23:09] <amazoniantoad> That's the same as calling me a troll
[23:09] <oerheks> pretty good tutor for backlights.. https://itsfoss.com/fix-brightness-ubuntu-1310/
[23:09] <Ben64> well if the bridge fits
[23:09] <oerheks> 1310 is a typo of the author
[23:09] <amazoniantoad> Annnd here is where I won everyone
[23:10] <oerheks> glestrade, just ask, more fun
[23:10] <amazoniantoad> He name called me, I won
[23:10] <amazoniantoad> oerheks: thanks
[23:10] <glestrade> oerheks: I just want a version of timeshift for ubuntu 14.04
[23:11] <kostkon> glestrade, a specific version?
[23:11] <glestrade> I would assume so
[23:11] <glestrade> I can’t accidentally update the compiler
[23:11] <glestrade> because the package I’m compiling is picky
[23:12] <oerheks> ubuntu got a sort of timeshift buildin, redshift/
[23:12] <glestrade> (c compiler)
[23:12] <glestrade> will google that
[23:13] <oerheks> or do you mean timeshift/systemrestore?
[23:15] <glestrade> well since I hardly know the difference between those three, I couldn’t exactly say
[23:15] <glestrade> i want to be able to go backwards if I screw up this thing
[23:15] <oerheks> https://github.com/teejee2008/timeshift
[23:15] <glestrade> it’s got steps where it makes me change the firmware lol
[23:16] <amazoniantoad> oerheks: didn't work :/
[23:17] <Bashing-om> glestrade: https://www.tecmint.com/rear-backup-and-recover-a-linux-system/ - have not used so can not vouch but looks interesting.
[23:20] <oerheks> amazoniantoad, i think you need to reboot for this to take effect?
[23:20] <amazoniantoad> oerheks: I did. All it accomplished was warping my screen
[23:20] <glestrade> by the way, as a macbook owner I’m clearly the least elitist person here :P
[23:20] <amazoniantoad> So I deleted the file
[23:21] <glestrade> but OS/2 is actually the best OS xD
[23:24] <glestrade> i’m kidding of course
[23:24] <amazoniantoad> I actually appreciate osx. It's not horribad like, redhat.
[23:25] <glestrade> eh I only like os x’s gui tbh
[23:25] <glestrade> just need a distro to steal it
[23:26] <glestrade> tbh I don’t mind red hat
[23:26] <glestrade> but apple trackpads are buttery smooth
[23:26] <amazoniantoad> Yes they are. I customized my macbook a few years ago by punching some dints in its pretty case.
[23:28] <aodsnasion> Hi guys, trying to 'sudo apt update' a new-installed ubuntu 16.10 x64 system
[23:29] <aodsnasion> And im getting these kind of errors:
[23:29] <aodsnasion> E: The repository 'http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu yakkety Release' does no longer have a Release file.N: Updating from such a repository can't be done securely, and is therefore disabled by default.N: See apt-secure(8) manpage for repository creation and user configuration details.
[23:29] <kk4ewt> yes becasue its EOL aka its Dead JIm
[23:31] <kostkon> !yakkety
[23:46] <robertparkerx> it's better to add another user to the group rather than add two users chown
[23:46] <robertparkerx> or what do you do rather in that situation
[23:47] <robertparkerx> where i want to allow www-data:www-data and also winscp: user I created
[23:49] <oerheks> with 2 users, chown is useless.
[23:49] <oerheks> so, a group is the solution, yes.
[23:50] <robertparkerx> so I add winscp to www-data group?
[23:50] <oerheks> correct
[23:52] <oerheks> sudo usermod -aG www-data $USER ( or in your case winscp)
[23:54] <robertparkerx> I still get permission denied
[23:55] <robertparkerx> if I change it to 777 it will upload
[23:55] <robertparkerx> oh wait if I enter 'groups' www-data doesn't show up
[23:55] <robertparkerx> is that strange?
[23:57] <oerheks> if one adds a user ot a group, logout/login to let it take effect
[23:58] <oerheks> i don't know a short route
[23:59] <robertparkerx> I needed 775 not 755