[03:00] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[07:05] <lordievader> Good morning
[07:28] <ducasse> good morning
[11:03] <oerheks> hello darling ... http://darlinghq.org/
[11:04] <oerheks> = max osx emulator, like anbox and wine
[11:51] <Fuseteam> wine is not an emulator :p
[11:52] <oerheks> sure it is
[11:52] <jeremy31> in denial
[13:05] <sixwheeledbeast> acronyms that use themselves in there own acronyms need to burn in fire
[13:22] <pragmaticenigma> example sixwheeledbeast ?
[13:22] <sixwheeledbeast> wine
[13:23] <pragmaticenigma> I think that one might have been a backronym... I'm going to go look that one up
[13:24] <sixwheeledbeast> gnu
[13:25] <sixwheeledbeast> backronyms ashould have more fire for intent
[13:25] <pragmaticenigma> haha
[13:25] <sixwheeledbeast> like yaml, burn
[13:27] <pragmaticenigma> yet another markup language? I kind of thought that was kind of clever
[13:27] <pragmaticenigma> better than Spector or heartbleed
[13:28] <pragmaticenigma> i guess heartbleed wasn't an acronym
[13:31] <sixwheeledbeast> i see no issue in acronyms but when you have to explain a backronym and people look at you blankly, burn...
[13:55] <Fuseteam> just stating the name :P
[16:42] <pragmaticenigma> !info apache
[16:47] <marcoagpinto> hey guys
[17:03] <lordcirth_> !info apache2
[17:04] <lordcirth_> pragmaticenigma, ^ it's apache2
[17:04] <pragmaticenigma> thanks lordcirth_ ... I did figure it out... just decided not to flood the channel with my attempts :-)
[17:14] <lotuspsychje> lovetruth: before my notice, another volunteer already pointed you to stop offtopic, but you denied it
[17:15] <lovetruth> lotuspsychje, I came in the channel asking for help on something I have on my ubuntu 18.04 server. Someone told me I should try on some other channel, as they do not feel it´s an ubuntu issue. So... I did as I was told. I joined the other 2 channels and asked there
[17:16] <lotuspsychje> lovetruth: i never said you cant ask a question
[17:16] <lovetruth> Then I wanted to answer to ¨pulamea¨ question as it seemed obvious which would be the right path to take, as being an experienced sys admin I simply pointed him to the right best practices.
[17:16] <lotuspsychje> lovetruth: just in the #ubuntu support channel, try to divide support with discussions
[17:16] <pragmaticenigma> lovetruth: In #ubuntu, we don't offer help on such significantly outdated versions of Ubuntu. It adds too much liability and takes away from people who have legitimate support issues for actual supported versions of Ubuntu.
[17:17] <lovetruth> But, as it was normal in any discussion I have with anyone, I just told him before that that I normally feel offended by phrases like his nickname... then I answered
[17:18] <lovetruth> yes, pragmaticenigma, I get that. Thanks for that :) 👍
[17:18] <pragmaticenigma> lovetruth: we don't call out people for their choices in screennames... if you have a particular grievence. you can go to #ubuntu-ops in the future and express your concerns there. Never do that in chat
[17:20] <pragmaticenigma> TJ-: Why? seriously, just got them to stop
[17:20] <lovetruth> I didn´t recommend him anyway to use that outdated version... I even didn´t offer him any help on that outdated version... I just told him to upgrade to a supported version, like 18.04 - and, of course, told him the right path to do it - to help him to not get stuck on some production server - to use stagging servers and trying to use same versions or closer versions
[17:20] <lotuspsychje> lovetruth: and its not supported
[17:20] <lotuspsychje> we have an !eolupgrade
[17:21] <TJ-> pragmaticenigma: you obviously don't work in the real world. Reality is the server needs to remain active
[17:21] <lordcirth_> TJ-, yes, but that doesn't mean we have to support it in #ubuntu
[17:21] <pragmaticenigma> TJ-: I do work in the real world... the reality is that's an advanced approach and something no one in #ubuntu is going to be able to follow up on when you're not available
[17:22] <TJ-> lordcirth_: that's not support it's a suggestion on reducing the attack surface
[17:22] <pragmaticenigma> TJ-: The person you just suggeste that to already has a language barrier to overcome. You just jumped right in the middle of what we finally got them to move towards.
[17:22] <lordcirth_> TJ-, and it's a good temporary solution, except they are incapable of executing it
[17:22] <TJ-> pragmaticenigma: doing it isn't a support issue, that's up to the end user, but its an option if the application is stuck
[17:23] <TJ-> lordcirth_: right, but that's for them to decide, not us
[17:23] <lordcirth_> From past experience, something being beyond their skill has rarely stopped a user from trying it and pestering volunteers for help for weeks
[17:23] <lotuspsychje> true that
[17:24] <TJ-> Now what'll happen is the user will do-release-upgrade to 18.04, find that apache/web-app no longer works, and come back asking how to fix it since that was the advice given :)
[17:24] <lotuspsychje> good idea from eol :p
[17:25] <pragmaticenigma> TJ-: The problem is, they have already expressed that they're tied up in burocratic red tape... they'll be lucky to do anything except get the current box working
[17:26] <TJ-> pragmaticenigma: well then they have to buy in expertise! nothing like making them dig into the pocket to think clearly
[17:27] <lovetruth> TJ-, I agree with you. It´s a must as they do not seem to really understand the upgrade process... :)
[17:28] <pragmaticenigma> It's Romania TJ- ... most of us have no idea what's going on there and looks like now... they're embargoed ... so I feel there is no hope
[17:29] <TJ-> lovetruth: sounds like we're getting to watch a slow-motion train wreck... rather like the virus over-reaction
[17:29]  * TJ- hands out the popcorn
[17:31]  * lovetruth hands out the fried potatoes :))
[17:32] <TJ-> I thought I was doing badly spending the last 8 days buried in kubernetes, juju, lxd all of which are terribly broken - found about 50 bugs so far even in basic config...
[17:33] <TJ-> and most of you probably agree that if it stumps me there's something very wrong!
[17:34] <marcoagpinto> guys!!!!!!
[17:34] <marcoagpinto> >:) <- cola demon!
[17:34] <pragmaticenigma> not now marcoagpinto
[17:34] <marcoagpinto> ahhhh... sorry...
[17:34] <pragmaticenigma> TJ-: yes, stumping you = very bad indeed
[17:35] <lovetruth> so telling someone to stop, like a warning, and to hire some expert help is off-topic too on #ubuntu , I guess?
[17:35] <pragmaticenigma> lovetruth: You didn't do that
[17:35] <TJ-> pragmaticenigma: my colleague has been witnessing me taking out contracts on various developers :D
[17:35] <TJ-> lovetruth: some of us get some lattitude due to longetivity and contributions
[17:36] <pragmaticenigma> lovetruth: The comment " you might be on your way to kill your job there" is an opinion and was way out of line
[17:36] <lovetruth> pragmaticenigma, did the first part - the warning :)) the second was coming, when you answered :)
[17:36] <lovetruth> I am sorry... I just really felt bad for that guy over there :) ... something really bad could happen to him if all he said is true...
[17:37] <pragmaticenigma> that's not something we have control over, and certainly doesn't help their situation either
[17:37] <TJ-> lovetruth: personally I hate this artificial bureaucracy - often it creates more 'noise' than simply letting comments pass
[17:38] <lovetruth> I mean - no backups, no cloning, why not stagging servers?... Really... basic best practices!... :)
[17:39] <TJ-> lovetruth: it sounds like an April Fool's joke
[17:39] <TJ-> IT department that sets policy but doesn't do... IT work ?
[17:40] <pragmaticenigma> lovetruth: It's a foreign country to me... the picture painted by the news outlets would have me believe that they are severly oppressed by Russia, and Russia controls what can go in and out of Romania
[17:42] <pragmaticenigma> So it is very possible they can't get the resources needed to do all that infrastructure build out. Until their attempted emancipation, they've been sheltered from the world by Russia. They're probably way behind when it comes to understanding what more modern societies have established as best practices for running servers
[17:43] <frib> TJ-, what kind of express card do I need, one that connects to USB?
[17:43] <TJ-> I think 'no backups' and 'not upgrading' aren't amongst those though
[17:43] <pragmaticenigma> I'm sorry marcoagpinto ... it's been a interesting discussion going on in here regarding support
[17:44] <pragmaticenigma> TJ-:  You would think... but a company I worked for in 2007 through 2011 didn't have backups
[17:44] <pragmaticenigma> and they were a payment processing company
[17:44] <TJ-> frib: you're misunderstanding. ExpressCard is an interface on laptops to allow an external device to connect to the PCIe bus. There's an external device/housing that provides a standard PCIe slot that can take standard PCIe adadpters. The ViDock does that
[17:45] <TJ-> pragmaticenigma: scary!
[17:45] <lovetruth> pragmaticenigma, I live in Romania :) I do IT work for many Companies - and some are using government funds... Yes, there are some old minds around here... but I managed to convince the people I work for to upgrade properly... :) - it´s part of the IT job, actually... :)
[17:46] <pulamea> pragmaticenigma: How dare you?! Romania is a modern liberal democracy, a member of the European Union, has a HDI of 0.816, and one of the most developed internet backbones in the entire world. And yet you are trying to imply that I originate from some backwoods hellhole dominated by Russia? Since the fall of communism in 1989, we are one of the
[17:46] <pulamea> fastest developing western nations! For shame.
[17:46] <frib> TJ-, ok I see. ExpressCard is the standard right?
[17:46] <pragmaticenigma> TJ-: it wasn't until I got in there and decoupled a large amount of code from hardcoded passwords and account number handling that I finally got it so they could at least back up their code base
[17:46] <TJ-> frib: yes... not so common on laptops since USB 3.0/3.1 came along
[17:46] <frib> ViDock holds the GPU and can be connected using various PCI adapters?
[17:46] <frib> TJ-, oh so I have to check if my laptop supports ExpressCard first?
[17:47] <TJ-> frib: yes, it has a ribbon cable that has an ExpressCard/34 on it that is plugged into the laptop
[17:47] <TJ-> frib: indeed
[17:47] <frib> TJ-, how ?
[17:47] <lovetruth> pulamea, Romania does have, indeed, very good backbone internet :) I live in Bucharest :)
[17:47] <pragmaticenigma> pulamea: I prefaced my comment with "the news in my country paints the picture for me" ... I also mentioned I'm not aware of everything going on there, only what my local news outlets tell me... all of this prefaced in my comment. learn to read more carefully as I'm fully aware I have no idea what is really goin on in Romania right now
[17:47] <TJ-> frib: it's a long thin slot. There are two widths... /54 and /34
[17:47] <frib> oh no, I only have an sd card reader
[17:48] <frib> and 4 usb3 ports
[17:48] <lotuspsychje> pulamea: upgrade from what to what
[17:48] <pragmaticenigma> lotuspsychje: this is 8.10 person
[17:48] <frib> can viDock be connected some other way?
[17:48] <lotuspsychje> i know pragmaticenigma :p
[17:48] <pulamea> pragmaticenigma "They're probably way behind when it comes to understanding what more modern societies have established as best practices for running servers" << Looks like a statement of fact to me
[17:49] <pulamea> pragmaticenigma Apologise please.
[17:49] <pragmaticenigma> pulamea: Funny how just a moment ago you claimed to have limited english skills... now it seems to not be an issue. I'm now marking you as a troll... congrats
[17:49] <pulamea> pragmaticenigma ??
[17:50] <pulamea> pragmaticenigma All I'm asking for is an apology. And how dare you judge me based on my English skills
[17:51] <lotuspsychje> pulamea: so..that update went real smooth heh?
[17:51] <pulamea> pragmaticenigma This sort of appalling racism is not what I expected trying to seek help from the Ubuntu community, but I guess I should have seen it coming.
[17:51] <TJ-> frib: what do you want this eGPU to do? just add more displays, or something that requires a lot of power for ML ?
[17:51] <pulamea> lotuspsychje Yes is work very well thank you! :)  :)
[17:51] <lotuspsychje> pulamea: what did you do exactly?
[17:51] <frib> TJ-, gaming
[17:52] <pulamea> lotuspsychje I am run sudo apt-get dist-upgrade, then typing password which is duteinpizdamatii123, and leave it to upgraded :)
[17:53] <lotuspsychje> pulamea: and wich version are you on now?
[17:53] <pulamea> lotuspsychje How I can check plesae?
[17:53] <pulamea> *pleace
[17:53] <lotuspsychje> lol
[17:54] <TJ-> frib: it looks like the ViDocks are no longer made, but here's a link with a good overview https://www.amperordirect.com/pc/r-resources-audio-video/z-reference-ViDock4_Plus_Review.html
[17:54] <lotuspsychje> pulamea: you dont know wich version you upgraded to?
[17:54] <lovetruth> pulamea, cat /etc/lsb-release
[17:55] <lovetruth> and maybe uname -a           would tell you the kernel
[17:56] <marcoagpinto> guys?! What is the maximum size of icons in toolbars in Ubuntu?
[17:57] <marcoagpinto> someone in the PureBasic forum was saying that OS APIs limit the size to 24x24 but I think it is not true
[17:57] <pulamea> bash: lsb_release: command not found
[17:57] <lovetruth> pulamea, that was wrong
[17:57] <lordcirth_> pulamea, mentioning that some countries have less development and infrastructure is not racism.
[17:57] <lovetruth> you have to type               cat /etc/lsb-release
[17:57] <frib> TJ-, could it be this was the an earlier method and now people call them eGPUs?
[17:57] <TJ-> frib: nope
[17:57] <pulamea> cat: /etc/lsb-release: No such file or directory
[17:57] <TJ-> eGPU is just short for external Graphical Processing Unint
[17:58] <frib> so can't I just get one of those
[17:58] <TJ-> pulamea: "cat /etc/issue"
[17:58] <pulamea> lordcirth_ Ok I understand I just feel sometimes that maybe people is should a little more sensitivity about these things
[17:58] <pulamea> TJ- cat: /etc/issue: No such file or directory
[17:58] <TJ-> frib: it's not a 'thing' it is more a way to connect something externally, like eSATA is an external SATA interface
[17:59] <TJ-> pulamea: so, broken system then. you'd best hire a *good* expert
[17:59] <frib> looks lie its an external GPU
[17:59] <frib> for example: https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?d=egpu
[18:01] <lovetruth> pulamea, did it restart? after upgrade?
[18:02] <TJ-> frib: right, but most of those require a Thunderbolt v3 interface
[18:02] <pulamea> lovetruth Not sure
[18:02] <lovetruth> also - did you cancel anything during the upgrade process?...
[18:02] <frib> TJ-, yes i'm noticing that, but I also just read that usb 3.0 is more than capable of handling the bandwidth
[18:02] <pulamea> This is what its says:
[18:03] <pulamea> Last login: Fri Mar 27 17:51:00 on ttys000
[18:03] <pulamea> admin@buchs-MacMini-35f6 ~ % cat /etc/lsb-release
[18:03] <pulamea> cat: /etc/lsb-release: No such file or directory
[18:03] <pulamea> admin@buchs-MacMini-35f6 ~ % cat /etc/issue
[18:03] <pulamea> cat: /etc/issue: No such file or directory
[18:03] <pulamea> admin@buchs-MacMini-35f6 ~ %
[18:03] <lovetruth> pulamea, do you have physical access to it?... If it doesn´t boot anymore - do you have access to some keyboard plugged into it, so you can choose something from the grub menu?...
[18:03] <TJ-> frib: does the system have USB C connectors?
[18:03] <TJ-> "MacMini"
[18:03] <frib> No, it's an HP envy 15
[18:03] <TJ-> definitely April Fools
[18:03] <lovetruth> :)))
[18:04] <pulamea> TJ- Oops my mistake
[18:04] <TJ-> one of many
[18:04] <pulamea> TJ- I have forget telnet
[18:04] <frib> there's nothing that can use HDMI?
[18:04] <lovetruth> pulamea, are you sure it still boots?...
[18:05] <TJ-> frib: HDMI drives a display. There are USB video adapters but they're not designed to cope with gaming, only relatively low intensive 'office' type workloads
[18:05] <pulamea> lovetruth Ok so telnet its connected now
[18:06] <pulamea> lovetruth So ye its boosts
[18:06] <lovetruth> good
[18:06] <lovetruth> cat /etc/lsb-release
[18:06] <pulamea> ????? Im typing the wrong letters are coming
[18:07] <lovetruth> also, try the command            uptime
[18:07] <pulamea> I can't its the wrong letters
[18:07] <lovetruth> copy paste
[18:07] <pulamea> For example if i'm press L it's come N
[18:07] <frib> TJ-, i'm watching one guy who plugged a cable into the internal wifi slot
[18:07] <pulamea> jay z.yjznox[p.n.ao.
[18:07] <pulamea> ^ Thats cat etc relaese
[18:08] <lovetruth> you have physical access to it?
[18:08] <pulamea> lovetruth No this is telnet
[18:08] <pulamea> lovetruth I am telnet from my XP machine
[18:08] <lovetruth> and why Mac-Mini?!
[18:08] <pulamea> lovetruth ??
[18:09] <frib> TJ-, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fO5uQeLZtU
[18:09] <lovetruth> sure you are not typing from a Mac?...
[18:09] <pulamea> lovetruth No this is XP
[18:09] <lovetruth> are you using putty or the windows xp telnet client? Try Putty
[18:09] <pulamea> lovetruth Mac mini is other PC that i'm on for use IRC at the moment
[18:10] <lovetruth> you can netcat from Mac to that machine, if you are in the same network
[18:10] <pulamea> lovetruth Do you have link to putty?
[18:10] <lovetruth> with nc IP_address
[18:11] <lovetruth> it´s https://www.putty.org/ ... Do not trust XP´s telnet client to connect to your ubuntu machine. Had bad experiences with that.
[18:11] <pulamea> Lovetruth Thank you
[18:11] <pulamea> Oh :(
[18:11] <pulamea> Its say:
[18:12] <pulamea> Internet Explorer cannot display the webpage
[18:12] <pulamea> What you can try:
[18:12] <pulamea> Diagnose Connection Problems
[18:12] <pulamea> More information
[18:12] <lovetruth> try https://the.earth.li/~sgtatham/putty/latest/w32/putty.exe
[18:13] <pulamea> lovetruth Same message again
[18:15] <lovetruth> you have total commander?... Man... everything you have there is so outdated!... :)
[18:15] <pulamea> Total commander?
[18:23] <pulamea> Ok now telnet is work
[18:44] <lovetruth> output of uname -a?
[18:46] <pulamea> It's say:
[18:46] <pulamea> C:\>uname -a
[18:47] <pulamea> Bad command or file name
[18:52] <lovetruth> pulamea, you have no telnet to ubuntu :) ... Really - this is april´s fool - right?... :))
[18:54] <TJ-> lovetruth: well, considering pulamea  is in the UK on the '3' cellular network... what do you think?
[18:55] <lovetruth> TJ-, I checked that too :)) but it could be some VPN or something ... :)
[18:55] <pulamea> TJ- No I am only on 1 cellular network not 3... sorry for confusion
[18:55] <TJ-> lovetruth: over the cellular network? unlikely
[18:56] <TJ-> the netblock is a /24 located in the UK
[18:57] <pulamea> Try check now, I think should be better :)
[18:57] <TJ-> origin is on AS60339 https://ipinfo.io/AS60339
[18:58] <pulamea> I think I have fixed it, I don't know why it would said UK, I am not able to go to that because of the Berxit :)
[18:59] <TJ-> lovetruth: we always get these when school's out
[19:01] <pulamea> TJ- I am not school, I am government worker
[19:01] <TJ-> pulamea: don't tell me, you're self-isolated at home and your name is Boris!
[19:02] <pulamea> TJ- No sorry
[19:02] <pulamea> TJ- My name Alexandru Petrescu
[19:03] <pulamea> TJ- I am not speaking with Boris as he is chubby blond nonce
[19:04] <lovetruth> pulamea, you hate PSD?... :)
[19:04] <pulamea> TJ- And as well he teld me his government its better than mine :(
[19:04] <pulamea> lovetruth: Yes. XCF is a much better format.
[19:05] <TJ-> I sense the ban-hammer falling from a great height
[19:05] <daftykins> i don't, that'd require ops that do their jobs
[19:05] <pulamea> I AM THE OPS!!!
[19:07] <daftykins> well you achieve about as much
[19:07] <pulamea> daftykins Between you and I, I think I've actually achieved more today.
[19:34] <lovetruth> pulamea: you should have better regard for people. Then you can start to think as you being from Romania. Romania deserves more... :)
[19:40] <pragmaticenigma> oh geeze