| lotuspsychje | good morning | 03:06 |
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| Kon- | Hi, I thought all the apt installing snaps were just aliases, but it looks like it pulls a snap install script from the repos :( | 16:40 |
| Kon- | Is there anything else that does this except Chromium? | 16:40 |
| oerheks | softwarecenter is mixed with deb and snap packages, see the description | 16:51 |
| Kon- | I know all about that. Not asking about softwarecenter | 16:52 |
| oerheks | so explain ' apt installing snaps were just aliases' ? | 16:53 |
| Kon- | Currently if the user opens the terminal and enters 'sudo apt install chromium-browser' it pings the ubuntu repositories as normal, and the repository sends back a snap install script | 16:53 |
| oerheks | chromium is available as snap AND deb | 16:53 |
| Kon- | What apt command do I need to enter to get the deb? | 16:54 |
| Kon- | It's described as a Transitional package - chromium-browser -> chromium snap | 16:55 |
| Kon- | https://packages.ubuntu.com/focal/chromium-browser | 16:55 |
| oerheks | oh, it is snap solely .. indeed > https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/chromium-browser/80.0.3987.87-0ubuntu1 | 16:57 |
| Kon- | But more importantly, I was wondering if there are any more of these "transitional packages" in the apt repositories | 16:57 |
| Kon- | of deb to snap | 16:57 |
| TJ- | it's becoming ridiculous tracking them | 16:57 |
| Kon- | That sounds like a yes then? | 16:58 |
| Kon- | tbh I'm not here to rag on Ubuntu but trying to figure out how this will impact community spins and/or my workflow if Ubuntu starts removing software from the apt repositories | 17:02 |
| oerheks | i think in the chromium situation, developers needed an universal distribution tool. laque of chromium supporters gave publishing delays of days/weeks | 17:04 |
| TJ- | says a lot about the bugginess of such packages though doesn't it? We've got used to frequent updates and don't think it a bad thing, when in fact it shows the applications are not well-engineered | 17:07 |
| oerheks | that is what the debian crew say too | 17:08 |
| Kon- | Fair, Chromium does require | 17:09 |
| Kon- | a lot of attention from the distro | 17:09 |
| Kon- | But again, can anyone name a similar decision regarding at least one package not directly tied to Chromium? TJ-'s comment seemed to suggest there were others | 17:10 |
| TJ- | Kon-: lxd, many of the gnome parts | 17:11 |
| oerheks | calculator is a standard snap, though gnome-calculator is in the repos | 17:11 |
| Kon- | Yes, I saw calculator is going back to deb as default. I think that was a good move | 17:12 |
| TJ- | on the ISOs: | 17:13 |
| TJ- | snap:core stable 8689 | 17:13 |
| TJ- | snap:core18 stable 1668 | 17:13 |
| TJ- | snap:gnome-3-34-1804 stable/ubuntu-20.04 21 | 17:13 |
| TJ- | snap:gtk-common-themes stable/ubuntu-20.04 1474 | 17:13 |
| TJ- | snap:snap-store stable/ubuntu-20.04 308 | 17:13 |
| Kon- | Thanks TJ- but I wasn't concerned with the defaults on the ISO, just the apt repositories. I'm satisfied as long as deb access remains possible | 17:25 |
| Kon- | So I did look it up | 17:25 |
| Kon- | Packages currently removed from the repository include all packages covered by the snaps: | 17:25 |
| Kon- | chromium, chromium-ffmpeg, lxd, maas, snapcraft | 17:25 |
| feoh | Hi all. | 20:44 |
| feoh | Since we ship Thunderbird as the default GUI email clinet | 20:45 |
| feoh | Client | 20:45 |
| feoh | It's kind of a shame given how hard Ubuntu has worked to make the distro accessible, that Thunderbird itself is totally unusable for low vision people | 20:46 |
| feoh | Does anyone have a sense of where I should report that or who I should talk to? | 20:46 |
| feoh | Maybe I'll just poke around Launchpad and see where it gets me :) | 20:47 |
| Rounin | So, I've noticed one new change since upgrading to 20.04... I'm using KDE, right, and every GTK application has the numeric Unicode replacement font as its interface font | 20:58 |
| Rounin | Other fonts show just fine, but the GUI is exclusively in hex codes | 20:58 |
| Rounin | This is a great feature to earn hacker cred, obviously | 20:59 |
| Rounin | I wonder if it's the font "Sans" that's doing it... My IRC client was using it too, and text showed up as hex there too, until I switched | 21:01 |
| Rounin | I guess Sans isn't a thing anymore | 21:01 |
| feoh | Heh | 21:02 |
| feoh | Are you running Kubuntu? | 21:02 |
| feoh | (You can use KDE with mainline Ubuntu if you install the meta-package) | 21:02 |
| Rounin | Two seconds... I tried switching fonts again... Now it's all hex | 21:03 |
| Rounin | The problem seems to be URW Gothic L | 21:03 |
| Rounin | feoh: kubuntu-desktop is installed at least, so it seems to be that | 21:04 |
| feoh | You would have had to choose the Kubuntu ISOs :) | 21:04 |
| Rounin | I upgraded with upgrade-manager | 21:05 |
| Rounin | My original install was from stone tablets | 21:05 |
| feoh | What does lsb_release -a say? | 21:05 |
| Rounin | feoh: Ubuntu Focal Fossa | 21:05 |
| feoh | So you're running stock Ubuntu but installed the KDE meta package. | 21:06 |
| Rounin | Who knows at this point | 21:06 |
| Rounin | Hm... At the very least, the font URW Gothic L seems to now be called URW Gothic... So I guess I'm using that for the GUI, and it's falling back to hex codes for some reason | 21:06 |
| valorie | feoh: release-a will always say Ubuntu | 21:07 |
| valorie | mine does and I run stock kubuntu | 21:07 |
| Rounin | gtk-font-name=URW Gothic L, Book 10 | 21:09 |
| Rounin | That seems to be it | 21:09 |
| Rounin | Phew | 21:20 |
| Rounin | Apparently, lxappearance from LXDE was what was needed to change the font | 21:20 |
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