[03:06] <lotuspsychje> good morning
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[16:40] <Kon-> Hi, I thought all the apt installing snaps were just aliases, but it looks like it pulls a snap install script from the repos :(
[16:40] <Kon-> Is there anything else that does this except Chromium?
[16:51] <oerheks> softwarecenter is mixed with deb and snap packages, see the description
[16:52] <Kon-> I know all about that. Not asking about softwarecenter
[16:53] <oerheks> so explain ' apt installing snaps were just aliases' ?
[16:53] <Kon-> Currently if the user opens the terminal and enters 'sudo apt install chromium-browser' it pings the ubuntu repositories as normal, and the repository sends back a snap install script
[16:53] <oerheks> chromium is available as snap AND deb
[16:54] <Kon-> What apt command do I need to enter to get the deb?
[16:55] <Kon-> It's described as a Transitional package - chromium-browser -> chromium snap
[16:55] <Kon-> https://packages.ubuntu.com/focal/chromium-browser
[16:57] <oerheks> oh, it is snap solely .. indeed > https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/chromium-browser/80.0.3987.87-0ubuntu1
[16:57] <Kon-> But more importantly, I was wondering if there are any more of these "transitional packages" in the apt repositories
[16:57] <Kon-> of deb to snap
[16:57] <TJ-> it's becoming ridiculous tracking them
[16:58] <Kon-> That sounds like a yes then?
[17:02] <Kon-> tbh I'm not here to rag on Ubuntu but trying to figure out how this will impact community spins and/or my workflow if Ubuntu starts removing software from the apt repositories
[17:04] <oerheks> i think in the chromium situation, developers needed an universal distribution tool. laque of chromium supporters gave publishing delays of days/weeks
[17:07] <TJ-> says a lot about the bugginess of such packages though doesn't it? We've got used to frequent updates and don't think it a bad thing, when in fact it shows the applications are not well-engineered
[17:08] <oerheks> that is what the debian crew say too
[17:09] <Kon-> Fair, Chromium does require 
[17:09] <Kon-> a lot of attention from the distro
[17:10] <Kon-> But again, can anyone name a similar decision regarding at least one package not directly tied to Chromium? TJ-'s comment seemed to suggest there were others
[17:11] <TJ-> Kon-: lxd, many of the gnome parts
[17:11] <oerheks> calculator is a standard snap, though gnome-calculator is in the repos
[17:12] <Kon-> Yes, I saw calculator is going back to deb as default. I think that was a good move
[17:13] <TJ-> on the ISOs:
[17:13] <TJ-> snap:core stable 8689
[17:13] <TJ-> snap:core18 stable 1668
[17:13] <TJ-> snap:gnome-3-34-1804 stable/ubuntu-20.04 21
[17:13] <TJ-> snap:gtk-common-themes stable/ubuntu-20.04 1474
[17:13] <TJ-> snap:snap-store stable/ubuntu-20.04 308
[17:25] <Kon-> Thanks TJ- but I wasn't concerned with the defaults on the ISO, just the apt repositories. I'm satisfied as long as deb access remains possible
[17:25] <Kon-> So I did look it up
[17:25] <Kon-> Packages currently removed from the repository include all packages covered by the snaps:
[17:25] <Kon-> chromium, chromium-ffmpeg, lxd, maas, snapcraft
[20:44] <feoh> Hi all.
[20:45] <feoh> Since we ship Thunderbird as the default GUI email clinet
[20:45] <feoh> Client
[20:46] <feoh> It's kind of a shame given how hard Ubuntu has worked to make the distro accessible, that Thunderbird itself is totally unusable for low vision people
[20:46] <feoh> Does anyone have a sense of where I should report that or who I should talk to?
[20:47] <feoh> Maybe I'll just poke around Launchpad and see where it gets me :)
[20:58] <Rounin> So, I've noticed one new change since upgrading to 20.04... I'm using KDE, right, and every GTK application has the numeric Unicode replacement font as its interface font
[20:58] <Rounin> Other fonts show just fine, but the GUI is exclusively in hex codes
[20:59] <Rounin> This is a great feature to earn hacker cred, obviously
[21:01] <Rounin> I wonder if it's the font "Sans" that's doing it... My IRC client was using it too, and text showed up as hex there too, until I switched
[21:01] <Rounin> I guess Sans isn't a thing anymore
[21:02] <feoh> Heh
[21:02] <feoh> Are you running Kubuntu?
[21:02] <feoh> (You can use KDE with mainline Ubuntu if you install the meta-package)
[21:03] <Rounin> Two seconds... I tried switching fonts again... Now it's all hex
[21:03] <Rounin> The problem seems to be URW Gothic L
[21:04] <Rounin> feoh: kubuntu-desktop is installed at least, so it seems to be that
[21:04] <feoh> You would have had to choose the Kubuntu ISOs :)
[21:05] <Rounin> I upgraded with upgrade-manager
[21:05] <Rounin> My original install was from stone tablets
[21:05] <feoh> What does lsb_release -a say?
[21:05] <Rounin> feoh: Ubuntu Focal Fossa
[21:06] <feoh> So you're running stock Ubuntu but installed the KDE meta package.
[21:06] <Rounin> Who knows at this point
[21:06] <Rounin> Hm... At the very least, the font URW Gothic L seems to now be called URW Gothic... So I guess I'm using that for the GUI, and it's falling back to hex codes for some reason
[21:07] <valorie> feoh: release-a will always say Ubuntu
[21:07] <valorie> mine does and I run stock kubuntu
[21:09] <Rounin> gtk-font-name=URW Gothic L, Book 10
[21:09] <Rounin> That seems to be it
[21:20] <Rounin> Phew
[21:20] <Rounin> Apparently, lxappearance from LXDE was what was needed to change the font