[00:00] <juanonymous> thanks ducasse, another question if example i have tls 1.6 installed and wanted to upgrade it to 1.7 what's the easiest way to do that?
[00:03] <Merc> merc@quanta:~$ sudo apt remove libxnvctrl0 nvidia-settings
[00:03] <Merc> those were the two packages that got installed
[00:03] <Merc> i got it fixed i think
[00:03] <Merc> whew
[00:04] <Merc> is there a command that will like, check the integrity of my entire apt/deb database?
[00:04] <Merc> just to make sure everything is kosher
[00:04] <Merc> i got nvidia-settings running again
[00:04] <oerheks> juanonymous, what tls are you pointing at?
[00:04] <Merc> i had gotten a few nvidia packages for 440.xx installed, when ubuntu supples 435
[00:05] <juanonymous> oerheks: tcl-tls
[00:06] <juanonymous> to upgrade tcl-tls 1.7.16 any way to achieve that without getting it from source?
[00:07] <oerheks> Bionic LTS gives 1.6 , next 20.04 LTS beta, 1.7.20-1 https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tcltls/
[00:07] <oerheks> Else Eoan 1.7.18
[00:07] <oerheks> Disco is dead, EOL
[00:09] <oerheks> i see no PPA on launchpad.
[00:10] <juanonymous> i see, i guess, i need to forward this to my service provider
[00:10] <juanonymous> Eoan 1.7.18 is a paid os?
[00:10] <oerheks> :-)
[00:10] <juanonymous> if i am right?
[00:10] <oerheks> no, just a step between LTS-LTS, 9 months support.
[00:10] <juanonymous> ok, thanks
[00:11] <oerheks> LTS gives 5 years, and 5 years extended.
[00:11] <juanonymous> got it
[00:11] <juanonymous> hmmm
[00:11] <oerheks> !tls
[00:11] <oerheks> err
[00:11] <oerheks> !lts
[00:12] <oerheks> ubuntu-studio just 3y
[00:42] <Drecondius> is there some way I can format an external disc as removable ext? and what is udf? I need it to be recognized by windows, linux, and errr, linux lol (because mac can kma) Oh, and how to do this without it being owned by root, it's going to connect to a raspberry pi, this pc in windows and ubuntu
[00:43] <juanonymous> oerheks: im trying to compile tls 1.7 from source
[00:43] <juanonymous> i get this error https://termbin.com/o751j
[00:43] <juanonymous> maybe you can help
[00:45] <juanonymous> configure: error: Unable to get OpenSSL Configuration <- that should be on the last part
[00:45] <juanonymous> that is the error message
[00:46] <Drecondius> it's not on that paste, but if it's unable to obtain the openssl config, do you have it  installed?
[00:48] <juanonymous> Drecondius: yep
[00:49] <juanonymous> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/nMG91c33/
[00:50] <juanonymous>  or is there a package i needed to install aside from openssl?
[00:51] <oerheks> apt install tcl8.6 tcl tcl8.6-dev tcl-dev build-essential libssl-dev pkg-config;  ### from https://wiki.tcl-lang.org/page/tls
[00:52] <oerheks> not sure numbers are right, but you get the idea
[00:53] <oerheks> you might ask for an impossibe fix, you might want to jump to 20.04 beta
[00:54] <Drecondius> did you sudo make? or just try make then, because I see no reason it wouldn't be able to find the configs if it's been installed
[00:56] <juanonymous> oerheks: i have all those installed except for pkg-config, let me try
[00:56] <juanonymous> Drecondius: not on the make part yet
[00:57] <juanonymous> i get that error | ./configure
[00:57] <Drecondius> i think it would be sudo make config to create the config for make to run
[00:58] <Drecondius> or am i using the wrong syntax here, someone correct me otherwise
[00:58] <oerheks> !build
[01:00] <juanonymous> plus my service provider does nt have ubuntu 20.04 beta as well, latest ubunut is ubuntu 19.10
[01:00] <Drecondius> ubuntu.com
[01:00] <Drecondius> that's the only way to get the beta
[01:01] <oerheks> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/
[01:01] <Drecondius> and i feel dumb now
[01:01] <oerheks> no, i  know the way, as member :-)
[01:02] <oerheks> i do not to pretend i know it all .. certainly not, but can tell who does
[01:03] <Drecondius> Maybe you can help me then, is there a way to set up an ext3 or ext4 drive to mount and unmount as a removable device
[01:03] <oerheks> for 1 user, any user?
[01:03] <Drecondius> any
[01:04] <Drecondius> it's going to a pi so i probably need to  stick with ext3 so i can mount it on windows
[01:04] <mattfly> i got a dell i14 5481 with ubuntu 18.04.4 lts
[01:04] <mattfly> its a touch laptop, or 2  in 1
[01:05] <mattfly> the screen doesnt spin automatically when i turn it, hiow can i throubleshoot, cant someone help me?
[01:09] <Drecondius> i'll see if there is an exfat driver on raspbian
[01:09] <juanonymous> what's the command to check for path? example i need to check the path where openssl is installed?
[01:10] <oerheks> Drecondius, create a group for that drive, or add it to something logical, adm
[01:10] <oerheks> https://itsfoss.com/set-write-permission-ext4-partition-ubuntu-linux/
[01:11] <Drecondius> yeah, but ext4 doesn't play well with the ext drivers on windows, so I'm gonna have to neuter it with fat 32 or install the exfat driver on the pi
[01:11] <oerheks> sudo chgrp adm /media/your/drive ##sudo chmod g+w /media/your/drive
[01:11] <Drecondius> so i can do that to the root of the drive and it will work recursively?
[01:11] <oerheks> exfat-fuse and exfat-utils are available too
[01:12] <p2hang> I'm going to say exFAT is your best bet
[01:12] <oerheks> Drecondius, yes, see that article.
[01:13] <oerheks> lots of choice, p2hang, that is the fun
[01:14] <SociallyDistant> Greetigns
[01:14] <SociallyDistant> Greetings
[01:14] <oerheks> <10 feet> hi SociallyDistant  <10 feet>
[01:14] <SociallyDistant> haha oerheks
[01:15] <SociallyDistant> I'm trying to install Ubuntu 18.04.4 server from a USB stick to an Acer laptop and the install can't see my SSD drive.  So I'm trying to edit the grub file.
[01:15] <SociallyDistant> Anyone experienced with this?
[01:15] <oerheks> sounds like you have an UEFI bios machine?
[01:15] <SociallyDistant> Yes
[01:16] <oerheks> Fastboot disabled?
[01:16] <SociallyDistant> I believe so, yes
[01:16] <oerheks> and some other stuff, raid to ahci..
[01:16] <SociallyDistant> I turned that off
[01:16] <oerheks> !uefi
[01:16] <SociallyDistant> I think the problem is the SSD
[01:16] <juanonymous> ./configure --with-openssl-dir=/usr/include/openssl/ --prefix=/home/one/tls117 - i think i got it
[01:16] <ducasse> SociallyDistant: is the drive set to ahci in bios?
[01:16] <Drecondius> SociallyDistant have you disabled secure boot in bios, does it have windows on it, if it does, do a full shutdown by holding shift when you click shutdown
[01:16] <oerheks> maybe not..
[01:16] <oerheks> dit you start the ubuntu iso in UEFI mode?
[01:17] <oerheks> this is sometimes only possible, after setting a password in uefi
[01:17] <SociallyDistant> One sec let me check on all this
[01:17] <Drecondius> oh yeah, if the usb is only using mbr it won't see the ssd
[01:17] <oerheks> jups
[01:18] <oerheks> perfectly safe.. if you set password.
[01:18] <SociallyDistant> Drecondius: Any remedy?
[01:19] <oerheks> oh, and make space free from windows itself, if any installed.
[01:19] <Drecondius> if you used rufus, you can set it to do mbr/uefi, uefi only
[01:20] <SociallyDistant> Ah, let me try that.  Thanks, Drone
[01:20] <SociallyDistant> oops Drecondius
[01:20] <SociallyDistant> I did use Rufus
[01:21] <Drecondius> If you have it go the mbr/uefi route, be sure to pay attention to the bootloader, there will be 2 entries, if you get a visual splash screen first, it booted into mbr, the uefi boot is just a text box
[01:23] <mattfly> monitor-sensor reports that "Has accelerometer (orientation: undefined)"
[01:23] <Drecondius> SociallyDistant the ubuntu uefi boot setup will be a black / brownish screen with just a text selection
[01:24] <SociallyDistant> Target system: BIOS or UEFI is only choice
[01:24] <SociallyDistant> Partition scheme:  MBR and GPT are two choices
[01:24] <oerheks> go for GPT.
[01:24] <oerheks> no limit of 4 primairy.
[01:24] <Drecondius> ^
[01:25] <SociallyDistant> Alright I'll give it a shot
[01:25] <oerheks> have fun!
[01:25] <SociallyDistant> Most here are from USA?
[01:25] <SociallyDistant> Not that it matters
[01:25] <SociallyDistant> Just interesting
[01:26] <SociallyDistant> It's cooking the USB now
[01:26] <oerheks> No idea who is on tonight, NL here.
[01:26] <SociallyDistant> geodedag
[01:29] <SociallyDistant> goededag
[01:29] <oerheks> goeie nacht, morgen uurtje korter slapen.
[01:30] <SociallyDistant> Yes, not morning yet :)
[01:37] <Drecondius> Ok, 15 hours is too long to wait for it to format a drive
[01:37] <Tom01> not
[01:39] <SociallyDistant> now when I boot the usb, it gives me a grub> prompt
[01:42] <mattfly> and monitor-sensor  doens't detect my rotations
[02:10] <Jordan_U_> SociallyDistant: What model laptop is this?
[02:10] <SociallyDistant> Acer Aspire 5
[02:11] <SociallyDistant> When I boot the usb, the install goes to a grub> prompt
[02:21] <Jordan_U_> SociallyDistant: To be clear, have you actually installed Ubuntu yet? It seems that your laptop has two drives, one small faster one that acts as a cache and one large slower one. My guess is that it is the job of the operating system / drivers to make these two drives appear as one. This is somewhat similar to FakeRAID.
[02:21] <SociallyDistant> Nah, I'm trying to install it
[02:24] <Jordan_U_> SociallyDistant: Are you planning to dual boot? Is there any valuable data currently on the drive (/ drive + cache combination)?
[02:25] <SociallyDistant> Windows is on the hard drive.  I just want to wipe it and install Ubuntu
[02:28] <Jordan_U_> SociallyDistant: Then Drecondius' recommendation may be what you need. Basically, you want to prevent your firmware from treating these two drives as one, and you also want to remove any raid / raid like metadate on the two drives.
[02:29] <Jordan_U_> SociallyDistant: I would look for instructions specific to your laptop. I unfortunately need to leave.
[02:29] <SociallyDistant> My laptop shutoff and can't get it to turn on.  Separate problem. :)
[02:29] <SociallyDistant> Thanks, Jordan_U
[03:17] <calcmandan> good evening, happy Friday, and I hope everyone here and their families are safe and healthy.
[03:18] <lotuspsychje> thank you calcmandan , the same for you!
  Not again.  Ran sudo apt update  and there were 21 outstanding packages.  did sudo apt upgrade  and it downloaded a bunch... then dpkg bombed out and now I've a mess.
[03:23] <Bashing-om> MarkB2: Show us the mess: pastebin ' sudo apt update ; sudo apt upgrade ' :D
[03:26] <MarkB2> I now have a 14K file full of "mess".
[03:26] <MarkB2> ?pastebin
[03:27] <MarkB2> ~pastebin
[03:27] <MarkB2> Pastes to paste.ubuntu.com ?
[03:29] <MarkB2> Bashing-om: Thank you.. here you go: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/tWTXs8Qz8m/
[03:29] <Bashing-om> MarkB2: looking.
[03:34] <Bashing-om> MarkB2: PPA ? what shows ' apt policy libreoffice ' ?
[03:34] <Bashing-om> !info libreoffice bionic
[03:35] <MarkB2> One moment..
[03:37] <MarkB2> Bashing-om: Post here in another paste?
[03:38] <MarkB2> About 12 lines.
  Right.. another paste coming right up.
[03:40] <MarkB2> Bashing-om: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/XxS4SykpC4/
[03:43] <Bashing-om> MarkB2: We can not adress here what a PPA does. You can either ask the PPA maintainer OR revert libreoffice to what is in the repo. - we can do that :D
[03:43] <Bashing-om> !ppa | MarkB2
[03:44] <MarkB2> I'm game.  Please tell me how to revert libreoffice.
[03:46] <Bashing-om> !ppa-purge | MarkB2
[03:46] <Jordan_U_> I'm trying to upgrade an Xubuntu 16.04 system to Ubuntu 18.04 using "sudo do-release-upgrade --mode=desktop" and the upgrade fails with this output: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/471030168/DpkgTerminalLog.txt I have a pre-upgrade btrfs snapshot so I can re-do the upgrade and do it cleanly if I can find a way to avoid this one problem.
[03:48] <MarkB2> Bashing-om: did sudo apt install ppa-purge and this "mess" insists on looking at the libreoffice. Won't install ppa-purge.
[03:52] <Bashing-om> MarkB2: Ouch ! Not at all sure of a best practice here, as I bet attempting to remove libreoffice will also fail.
[03:54] <MarkB2> I might be able to chainsaw libreoffice out... just wipe out anything that looks like it.
[03:54] <MarkB2> The automation is suggesting apt --fix-broken install.
[03:55] <Bashing-om> MarkB2: If you nare willing to try and hack - well got good backups ? we can sic dpkg on libreoffice and see what haps.
[03:55] <MarkB2> Now, there's a thought.  I've used dpkg before...
[03:55] <MarkB2> ... and it's been complaining about broken pipes left and right.
[03:57] <Bashing-om> !info libreoffice-math bionic
[03:59] <MarkB2> Right now it's complaining that two different libreoffice archives have the same file in them.
[04:01] <MarkB2> Let me paste what a sudo apt --fix-broken install says.
[04:02] <jjbuggle> [q] I am trying to upgrade the firmware of a new SSD drive that I got.  Samsung.  They only support windows with their tool that does it, but offer a bootable iso for linux users.  How to install that iso to a flash drive?  USB-creator doesn't seem to care about it
[04:03] <Bashing-om> MarkB2: As the goal here is to purge libreoffice, maybe here you can ' sudo dpkg -P libreoffice-common ' ? // waiting :D
[04:03] <jjbuggle> ubuntu startup disk creator, that is
[04:04] <genii> jjbuggle: Most times you just need to use dd with the iso image as input source and the usb drive designation as the output
[04:05] <MarkB2> Bashing-om: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/KmCtqH3DHz/
[04:06] <genii> jjbuggle: So if in the terminal, when: dmesg:tail   shows the USB stick you just plugged in is showing up as sdh and you are in the directory containing the file which is the iso, you'd use something like: sudo dd if=ssd-drive-update-firmware.iso of=/dev/sdh
[04:06] <jjbuggle> where sdh is the right drive for my flash?
[04:06] <genii> ( but of course substituting as according to your individual system )
[04:07] <genii> jjbuggle: When you stick a USB drive in, it will use the next available letter available on your specific setup. So probably not sdh, but the value can be found by the command mentioned: dmesg|tail
[04:08] <MarkB2> Bashing-om: I kind of see why this thing is fouled up.  It wants to remove libreoffice-common but that conflicts with a bunch of other packages that require it.
[04:09] <Bashing-om> MarkB2: Looks to me like we can start down the rabbit hole or try and whole sale Purge libreoffic.
[04:09] <jjbuggle> genii: heh, I've never dd'd before.  Makes me nervous, but it's done.  Time to reboot.   Hope it works
[04:09] <MarkB2> I'm game for the purge.  Once the dust settles, I'll drop that ppa out of there and go direct.
[04:10] <genii> jjbuggle: So for instance, just now I plugged a USB stick in here and part of the output of: dmesg|tail   was: [1666927.952523] sd 7:0:0:0: [sde] 489062400 512-byte logical blocks: (250 GB/233 GiB)
[04:10] <genii> ...and they left
[04:11] <bleb> i have ubuntu 18.04 on an htpc
[04:11] <Bashing-om> MarkB2: Then the sledge hammer; try: ' sudo dpkg -P libreoffice '
[04:11] <bleb> (a nuc)
[04:11] <bleb> it started failing to boot.
[04:12] <MarkB2> Bashing-om: I've got my hard hat on and the BFH ready.  Here goes...
[04:13] <MarkB2> Bashing-om: That was one of the most anticlimatic commands I've ever typed.
[04:13] <bleb> it gets to the ubuntu loading screen (before the login display), stays there for few minutes, then flashes some console messge that ends with "Control-D to continue"
[04:13] <bleb> anything i should try short of reinstalling ubuntu?
[04:13] <MarkB2> I mean, after all this, I fully expected 30 or 40 screens of dpkg chasing down chunks of libreoffice while emitting "come here my darling..."
[04:13] <bleb> it has worked fine for the past year or so
[04:14] <MarkB2> Bashing-om: uh, it didn't get all of it.
[04:17] <MarkB2> Bashing-om: thank you.. that seems to have cleaned up most of the debris.  How do I get rid of that libreoffice ppa ?
[04:17] <MarkB2> Argh.
[04:17] <Bashing-om> MarkB2: But, did it get enough that "autoremove' will now be effective ?
[04:17] <MarkB2> AHA!  Didn't try that. Lets see..
[04:19] <MarkB2> No, it's still got a bad case of dependency problems.
[04:21] <MarkB2> how do I remove that ppa?
[04:21] <MarkB2> I mean, manually?
[04:23]  * MarkB2 slaps self.
[04:23] <Bashing-om> MarkB2: Look for the list ; tail -v -n +1 /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* '.
[04:26] <MarkB2> Got rid of the ppa through the Ubuntu "Software and Updates" application.
[04:26] <MarkB2> And, now, if I run sudo apt update, it comes up clean.
[04:26] <MarkB2> Except...
[04:27] <MarkB2> sudo apt autoremove spits up "the following packages have unmet dependencies:"  and there is libreoffice-base... which depends on libreoffice-command and it's off to the races we go .  Again.
[04:28] <Bashing-om> MarkB2: Yukkie - with the PPA source removed - what now ' dpkg -P libreoffice '?
[04:30] <MarkB2> I love it:  "dpkg: warning: ignoring request to remove libreoffice which isn't installed"
[04:31] <MarkB2> aha.
[04:31] <MarkB2> dpkg-query -l libre*
[04:32] <MarkB2> some things are there, some are not.
[04:32] <Bashing-om> MarkB2: ' dpkg -l | grep -i  'libre-' ?
[04:33] <ducasse> MarkB2: dpkg -l | grep libreoffice | awk '{print $2}' | xargs sudo dpkg -P
[04:33] <MarkB2> It reports "ii libdjvulibre-text  Linguistic support files for libdjvulibre".
[04:34] <MarkB2> pardon.. afk for a few minutes.
[04:38] <jjbuggle> genii: it worked.  Didn't need the update  :P                  thanks!
[04:40] <MarkB2> Bashing-om: I'm just enough of an awk(1) guy to list off all the dpkg-query entries for libre* and run dpkg -P on each one.
[04:41] <MarkB2> That is on the entries with "ii" at the front of the line.
[04:42] <RadSurfer> Anyone else having FREEZE-UP, HANGING after that last 19.10 update?
[04:43] <RadSurfer> Appears to lock up, although mouse can move around, can't interact with any application! What gives!
[04:43] <Towser> having n issue with ubuntu on a VM on an old macbook. it comes up with an error saying it cant FLUSH CACHE
[04:44] <Bashing-om> MarkB2: As ducasse pointed out above - the safer seek is to look for libreoffice rather than libre- . My bad as I am getting tired from long hours and my thinking is forced.
[04:44] <Jordan_U_> I'm trying to upgrade an Xubuntu 16.04 system to Ubuntu 18.04 using "sudo do-release-upgrade --mode=desktop" and the upgrade fails with this output: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/471030168/DpkgTerminalLog.txt I have a pre-upgrade btrfs snapshot so I can re-do the upgrade and do it cleanly if I can find a way to avoid this one problem.
[04:44] <jjbuggle> Towser: virtualbox?  latest from website?
[04:44] <Towser> jjbuggle, I believe it's the latest that macbook can run yes
[04:46] <MarkB2> I just tumbled to the idea of using "libreoffice" instead of just "libre".  One of the entries was "libreadline" and that would probably caused a little havoc.
[04:47] <RadSurfer> no1's aware if any freezing-up issues after last update?
[04:48] <RadSurfer> or different bootup actions since last 19.10 update?
[04:48] <Bashing-om> RadSurfer: You are the 1st I have seen with a update/freezing/19.10 issue.
[04:49] <jjbuggle> Jordan_U_: fwiw, i think the error is saying that you are missing perl
[04:50] <jjbuggle> does your 16.04 have perl installed?
[04:50] <RadSurfer> seems to happen more when firefox is running also
[04:51] <RadSurfer> but something is not right since that last 19.10 update
[04:51] <Towser> I'm not sure how to fix this error, it takes a while to boot then comes up with that
[04:51] <RadSurfer> only hexchat running right now... we're see if this can go 10 minutes without hanging!
[04:52] <MarkB2> Bashing-om: Ran the dpkg -P package_name where package_name had an ii at the front of it at the dpkg-query .
[04:53] <MarkB2> But was still getting a pile of insanity on an update.
[04:53] <MarkB2> THEN ran sudo apt autoclean.
[04:53] <MarkB2> That blew a whole load of packages out the door.
[04:54] <MarkB2> But autoremove still fails miserably.
[04:55] <jjbuggle> Towser: I'm guessing that your error means that for whatever reason, virtualbox has decided to lock your disks.  Some kind of error has happened and now vbox won't write to your disks anymore
[04:56] <Jordan_U_> jjbuggle: It does.
[04:56] <Towser> it's weird because it's a fresh install
[04:56] <Bashing-om> MarkB2: Just ran across a similar issue on launchpad: sudo dpkg --purge --force-depends libreoffice-base libreoffice-base-core libreoffice-base-drivers libreoffice-core libreoffice-common python3-uno - - https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+question/689517 .
[04:58] <Jordan_U_> jjbuggle: It also has the package perl-modules-5.22 which contains the file /usr/share/perl/5.22.1/PerlIO.pm .
[04:58] <jjbuggle> Jordan_U_: maybe the perl dependency for doc-base is messed up.  Like it needs one of the pre-depends kind of things
[04:59] <jjbuggle> yeah, but above, it is installing perl 5.26
[04:59] <RadSurfer> going to run firefox, let's see if this starts to freeze again! (if U don't hear from me)
[05:00] <jjbuggle> Jordan_U_: if it really is a dependency issue, i think you would need to file a bug
[05:00] <jjbuggle> I'm just kind of speculating
[05:00] <MarkB2> Bashing-om:"dpkg: error: --purge needs a valid package name but '-' is not.
[05:01] <MarkB2> So those last two dashes aren't required?
[05:01] <jjbuggle> so like, pearl 5.22 is removed, but perl 5.26 isn't fully setup, so doc-base fails because at install time, there is no fully setup perl
[05:02] <MarkB2> Well... it did .. something.
[05:02] <Bashing-om> MarkB2: Yeah -- those two dashes were inapproipriate :( seperators only to denote a source.
[05:02] <Jordan_U_> jjbuggle: Ahh, good catch. Since "Unpacking perl-modules-5.26 (5.26.1-6ubuntu0.3)" appears much earlier, I wonder if the problem is that perl 5.22 is still being invoked somehow despite having been replaced.
[05:03] <jjbuggle> yeah, that's what I'm thinking.
[05:03] <RadSurfer> I do NOT see firefox listed in the Software app? is that normal?
[05:04] <RadSurfer> installed software app...
[05:04] <Jordan_U_> jjbuggle: I can't think of a way to fix that properly, though I can think of a few improper ways to cludge it. I wonder why more people aren't hitting this problem during upgrade.
[05:05] <RadSurfer> I did find 2 entries, deleted both of them.
[05:05] <RadSurfer> Anything I can check I wonder?
[05:06] <Jordan_U_> jjbuggle: I may try removing doc-base before the upgrade then re-installing it afterward. The only dependencies seem to be xubuntu-core and (recusively) xubuntu-desktop.
[05:06] <RadSurfer> Going to re-start and see how it behaves.
[05:06] <jjbuggle> Jordan_U_: the proper fix would be to file a bug against doc-base, and let the devs push a fix.  This kind of thing would happen if maybe they updated doc-base in some way, but didn't test the 16.04->18.04 upgrade.....
[05:06] <jjbuggle> yeah, maybe that would work
[05:09] <Jordan_U_> jjbuggle: I have filed a bug report. I'll add more information to it now that we have a good guess as to the problem. Thank you!
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[05:10] <RadSurfer> What is the PROPER way to install Firefox-ESR please?
[05:11] <MarkB2> Bashing-om: alright... am down to just ONE dependency: libreoffice-lightproof-ru-ru .
[05:12] <MarkB2> It depends on two other packages, neither of which are installed.
[05:13] <genii> RadSurfer: https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/ubuntu/ppa add with sudo add-apt-repository ppa:mozillateam/ppa then update, install package named firefox-esr
[05:14] <RadSurfer> irony is, I have NO browser presently!
[05:15] <genii> RadSurfer: Then just issue the command given above
[05:15] <RadSurfer> is there a way to install firefox via Terminal?
[05:15] <RadSurfer> I got you.
[05:16] <Bashing-om> MarkB2: checking :)
[05:16] <genii> RadSurfer: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:mozillateam/ppa && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install firefox-esr     ....should do it
[05:17] <RadSurfer> Thank you.
[05:17] <genii> rad Glad to assist
[05:17] <RadSurfer> Just hope it stops this FREEZE-UP
[05:18] <jjbuggle> Jordan_U_: yw, gl!
[05:20] <Bashing-om> MarkB2: Nope - can not confirm as https://packages.ubuntu.com/bionic/libreoffice-lightproof-ru-ru only list libreoffice-core and python3-uno as dependencies.
[05:21] <RadSurfer> Here goes nothing... launching ESR (crosses-fingers)...
[05:22] <RadSurfer> odd how under Linux, things can freeze-up, yet mouse moves just fine ;)
[05:22] <MarkB2> Yeah, those are the two dependencies.  I've almost got that lightproof out... but dpkg is complaining as it errors out when trying to remove a file that doesn't exist.  Almost have it...
[05:23] <RadSurfer> (waiting 10 full minutes ... then my next text, wish me luck )
[05:25] <MarkB2> Bashing-om: It ... looks like the problem is over.
[05:25] <MarkB2> I think.
[05:26] <MarkB2> That last was dumb.
[05:26] <MarkB2> dpkg was erroring out because it wanted to remove a file... but the path to that file didn't exist.
[05:28] <MarkB2> I wonder if there is something between dpkg and apt-get that performs something of a .."consistency" check over installed packages.
[05:28] <Bashing-om> MarkB2:  ' sudo apt --purge autoremove ; sudo dpkg --configure -a ; sudo dpkg -C ' run clean ?
[05:29] <MarkB2> That looks about as dangerous as  rm -rf / .
[05:30] <Bashing-om> MarkB2: As long as the package manager is in a some what sane state -- all safe :P Else the package manager will scream.
[05:30] <MarkB2> all clean.  wow.
[05:31] <Bashing-om> MarkB2: ' sudo apt update ; sudo apt full-upgrade ' shows a happy state ?
[05:32] <MarkB2> A full upgrade??
[05:33] <Bashing-om> MarkB2: Yeah will deal with things that a "update' can not deal with.
[05:33] <MarkB2> Oh, that looks like such a nifty thing to do that I'm going to do it right now. :-)
[05:33] <MarkB2> Clean as a whistle.
[05:34] <RadSurfer> we're still here?
[05:34] <Bashing-om> MarkB2: By golly - I think we dood it then :P
[05:34] <MarkB2> Amusing.  I think the drive is about 300M lighter .
[05:34] <RadSurfer> We'll hope this helped whatever was going on...
[05:35] <MarkB2> What was "going on" was a couple ?hours? ago I ran  sudo apt update  followed by   sudo apt upgrade   and something from a libreoffice ppa snuck in and raised havoc
[05:36] <MarkB2> I remember seeing a Microsoft-sponsored update to their C# package and had to restrain myself from playing with the keyboard.
[05:37] <MarkB2> The microsoft emitted package had some oddball stuff that had apt hanging from a tree and twisting in the wind.
[05:37] <MarkB2> Two days later MS dumped something out that fixed everything.
[05:38] <MarkB2> You can just see it.  Jack drags Ted to Robert's office: "Ted, you wanna tell Robert what just happened>"
[05:39] <MarkB2> But... it's all cleaned up (I hope).
[05:42] <GoingViral> I've been complaining about broken pipes for a while now but my doctor said he's busy. You believe that?
[05:42] <GoingViral> Stopping now.
[05:43] <GoingViral> Sorry.
[05:43] <MarkB2> Bashing-om: Add another "1" to the Win column.  Thank you.
[05:44] <MarkB2> Make that a 5.  :-)
[05:46] <Bashing-om> MarkB2: ducasse Allows me to add gold stars to the status board :P
[05:47] <GoingViral> I hear gold is going up
[05:56] <MarkB2> Yeah... and those that are worth their weight in gold... need more of 'em in this world.
[05:58] <GoingViral> To melt
[06:13] <towser> trying to boot live and getting a lot of SQUASHFS errors
[06:16] <towser> mainly errors that it can't read things
[06:20] <Jordan_U> towser: Most likely bad media then.
[06:21] <towser> maybe the iso is bad?
[06:21] <Jordan_U> towser: You can run the self check at boot to be sure. Also be sure to check the sha256sum of the iso.
[06:22] <towser> ok how do I do that?
[06:24] <Jordan_U> towser: In a terminal run "sha256sum /path/to/file.iso".
[06:25] <towser> the problem is the live cd gives thoes errors on boot
[06:26] <towser> so I cant run a terminal
[06:26] <Jordan_U> towser: What operating system do you have available to check the iso file? Is this really a CD or did you write the iso to a USB drive?
[06:28] <towser> it's an iso on the hard drive trying to run in virtualbox. host is a old macbook
[06:28] <RadSurfer> Things are very sluggish again! This seems to be an intermittent problem for me. But it lasted this long.
[06:29] <RadSurfer> my last message was about an hour ago.
[06:29] <Jordan_U> towser: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM#MD5SUM_on_Mac_OS_X
[06:30] <towser> Jordan_U: does that count for a vm?
[06:30] <Jordan_U> towser: You should first check the md5sum of the iso file on the host.
[06:33] <vadi01> guys need help with thunderbird
[06:34] <vadi01> no option of downloading headers only in this version
[06:34] <vadi01> how to download headers only?
[06:39] <RadSurfer> WHAT ARE some alternative browswers for Ubuntu other than ff?
[06:42] <RadSurfer> pity if even ff-esr is going downhill so rapidly
[06:43] <akem> RadSurfer, Chromium.
[06:43] <RadSurfer> LOL yeah right.
[06:44] <towser> can't find md5 for 18.04.1
[06:44] <RadSurfer> Brave acted really weird on this PC too
[06:44] <RadSurfer> but firefox was relatively stable before this last update
[06:49] <towser> no md5 for 18.04.1 on website only 18.04.4 which doesnt match
[06:52] <towser> or do I need to get a new ubuntu iso?
[06:55] <vadi01> RadSurfer: i just downloaded chrome from the website and installed it
[07:05] <towser> ubuntu 18.04 LTS, 19.0 or 16.04.6 LTS? which do I get?
[07:05] <GoingViral> towser: for what purpose?
[07:07] <towser> for a VM of ubuntu? my last iso was having issues as you may know
[07:07] <GoingViral> towser: 19
[07:08] <GoingViral> towser: yeah I recognized your nick but couldn't quite place why
[07:09] <Jordan_U> towser: What sum did you get?
[07:10] <Jordan_U> towser: Fun thing about hashes is that for anything even remotely popular you can just google the hash. If there are no results, your image is corrupt.
[07:10] <GoingViral> I can't believe I changed my nick from md5sum so I'm less irrelevant and now all of a sudden...
[07:11] <GoingViral> About 2 or 3 days ago even
[07:13] <towser> GoingViral: I use this nick in a few places
[07:13] <GoingViral> towser: pretty sure it may have been the general Linux channel because I spend most of my time there. Not sure though.
[07:14] <towser> would 64 bit desktop image work with a vm or do i need to get a different one?
[07:15] <GoingViral> towser: assuming you have a 64 bit host (which you *probably* do) then 64 is preferred
[07:16] <towser> I dont know if late 2007 macbook is 64 bit
[07:16] <GoingViral> Uhhhh probably, I'll find out
[07:16] <GoingViral> And that's how I know you
[07:17] <GoingViral> I'm using the MBP 2015
[07:18] <GoingViral> towser: yeah it's 64
[07:19] <towser> ok ill get the 19.10 64 bit image
[07:19] <GoingViral> Dual core, wow. I forgot what 2007 was like lol
[07:19] <towser> hopefully it works
[07:20] <towser> and yes a bit of a potatoe (is using irc on it now)
[07:21] <GoingViral> towser: before you go too far, maybe xubuntu or lubuntu would be better
[07:21] <GoingViral> Lighter graphical environment over the standard
[07:22] <GoingViral> I personally would recommend xubuntu, but that's what is familiar to me
[07:22] <GoingViral> (more familiar the lxde I mean)
[07:22] <GoingViral> Than*
[07:24] <GoingViral> towser: what you're downloading will work, but not be quite as performant I think
[07:25] <towser> so maybe xubuntu?
[07:25] <GoingViral> That's what I would do
[07:25] <towser> 18.04?
[07:26] <GoingViral> towser: you can get 19.10
[07:26] <towser> ahh 19.10 64 bit?
[07:27] <GoingViral> Yep
[07:28] <towser> ok downloading 19.10 xubuntu 64 bit. eta on download about 5 minutes, is that fast?
[07:29] <GoneViral> No idea what the size is
[07:29] <GoneViral> But lots of things take longer than 5 minutes
[07:29] <GoneViral> hehe
[07:29] <Jordan_U> towser: How much RAM are you allowing the VM to use? https://xubuntu.org/requirements/ says that 512 MB is the minumum for Xubuntu, and it looks like 2007 macbooks only came with 1GB of RAM generally.
[07:29] <towser> 1.5gb it says on the browser but idk if thats correct
[07:30] <GoneViral> towser: on the bottom of your machine should be a model number
[07:30] <GoneViral> maybe printed in an annoyingly small font
[07:30] <slackerx> towser: too funny i am doing the exact same thing right now with a 2007 macbook pro I have tried a bunch of distros and none seem to work well. I just downloaded lubuntu tonight but it doesnt seem to want to install the 64bit version from USB
[07:31] <towser> slackerx: mine is trying to be in a vm
[07:32] <GoneViral> towser: what are you running on it now? As the host?
[07:32] <slackerx> Im going to try using the 32 bit version tomorrow. based on my model number it should be a 64bit arch but i havent had much luck getting a 64bit version to work
[07:32] <GoneViral> still osx?
[07:32] <towser> GoneViral: mac cos it's a macbook
[07:32] <slackerx> I see. I wiped it clean and installed fresh
[07:32] <GoneViral> didn't know if you had some linux distro on it already
[07:33] <towser> model a1181 i believe
[07:33] <slackerx> the only one I got working so far was kubuntu but it was super slow
[07:34] <GoneViral> mac hardware can be a little ornary
[07:34] <slackerx> I would think running it in a VM would be even slower
[07:34] <GoneViral> oh it will be
[07:35] <slackerx> I formatted the drive and installed fresh and it was pretty slow I would image installing it in a vm on this hardware would be even worse
[07:35] <towser> yeah mac hardware is annoying to work with if you ask me
[07:36] <GoneViral> I actually think they're the only ones who got a trackpad right
[07:36] <GoneViral> but the rest is annoying sometimes
[07:36] <slackerx> no biggie for me as I was just messing around trying to bring life back to my old macbook but it is annoying that i cant get even the lightest of distros to load
[07:36] <towser> and yay md5 looks like it matches
[07:37] <GoneViral> slackerx: what is the lightest of distros that you tried?
[07:39] <towser> ubuntu or ubuntu 64 for the vm settings?
[07:39] <GoneViral> towser: 64
[07:39] <slackerx> ubuntu budgie, lubuntu, unbuntu mate. solus, LXLE
[07:40] <RadSurfer> Unable to d/l updates: failed to refresh cache:W: an error occurred during signature verification. Repository is not updated & previous index files will be used. GPG error: http://dl.google.com/linux/earth/deb stable Release: Following
[07:40] <RadSurfer> Signatures couldn't be verified because public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 788D65473CB3BD13
[07:40] <RadSurfer> WHAT does all that tell you? There is a problem here?
[07:40] <GoneViral> RadSurfer: so the Google Earth repo is causing issues
[07:40] <GoneViral> and you should remove it
[07:41] <towser> 10gb ok for hard drive space?
[07:41] <slackerx> so far they have all been 64 bit version. but im wondering if I try a 32 bit version if i would have any luck. I read that the 2007 models the earlier ones could be 32bit. but I cant remember when i purchased this macbook pro in 2007
[07:41] <RadSurfer> Please show me how.
[07:41] <slackerx> 10 gig should be good
[07:41] <slackerx> for linux
[07:41] <towser> for xubuntu in vm
[07:41] <GoneViral> RadSurfer: while you're in a terminal do "ls /etc/apt/sources.list.d"
[07:42] <RadSurfer> stand by.
[07:42] <slackerx> towser: yeah should be good
[07:42] <GoneViral> RadSurfer: you may have a google earth related filename there
[07:42] <RadSurfer> since its only 2 lines:
[07:42] <RadSurfer> ls /etc/apt/sources.list.d
[07:42] <RadSurfer> grr!
[07:42] <towser> about 5 minutes to make fixed size 10gb hard disk for vm, seems slow
[07:42] <towser> but is an old macbook
[07:42] <RadSurfer> google-earth-pro.list       mozillateam-ubuntu-ppa-eoan.list
[07:42] <RadSurfer> google-earth-pro.list.save  mozillateam-ubuntu-ppa-eoan.list.save
[07:42] <slackerx> towser, good luck! im out, gotta go to bed
[07:42] <RadSurfer> There.
[07:43] <slackerx> yeah the 2007 macbook seems awfully slow
[07:43] <slackerx> for me too
[07:43] <GoneViral> RadSurfer: "sudo mv /etc/apt/sources.list.d/google-earth* ~/"
[07:43] <RadSurfer> stand bu
[07:44] <GoneViral> RadSurfer: should produce no output, then you can run "sudo apt-get update" again
[07:44] <towser> this channell is for all ubuntu right, xubuntu lubuntu kubuntu etc etc?
[07:44] <GoneViral> yes
[07:45] <akem> There is #xubuntu #lubuntu etc.
[07:45] <RadSurfer> Immediately recent another prompt; nothing else.
[07:45] <GoneViral> RadSurfer: good.
[07:45] <GoneViral> RadSurfer: that's expected.
[07:45] <RadSurfer> Now what?
[07:45] <GoneViral> RadSurfer: you can run your "sudo apt-get update" again
[07:45] <RadSurfer> Okay.
[07:45] <GoneViral> and the issue should be gone
[07:46] <RadSurfer> Fetched 532 kB in 1s (430 kB/s)
[07:46] <RadSurfer> Reading package lists... Done
[07:46] <RadSurfer> No warnings or errors.
[07:46] <GoneViral> Cool
[07:47] <towser> do i need efi on to make it work?
[07:47] <GoneViral> RadSurfer: I don't know what you were doing before you asked this question but you can continue it now
[07:47] <towser> or pae/nx
[07:48] <RadSurfer> AM trying to discover why this Ubuntu workstation decides it wants to FREEZE-UP on me lately; particularly when firefox-esr is running!
[07:48] <RadSurfer> but this started after that LAST update was issued
[07:48] <GoneViral> likely unrelated
[07:48] <Merc> o/~ linuuuuuuuuuuuuuux
[07:49] <Merc> firefox eric s raymond?
[07:49] <GoneViral> but I will have to say that I'm about to go to bed and freezing issues are pretty complex to diagnose, so I'm not sure I should get started
[07:49] <Merc> GoneViral: check logs
[07:49] <GoneViral> Merc: you check YOUR logs!
[07:49] <GoneViral> huh?
[07:50] <GoneViral> huh?
[07:50] <GoneViral> :P
[07:50] <Merc> :-|
[07:50] <GoneViral> You have a nose
[07:50] <GoneViral> where did my nose go?
[07:50] <Merc> congenital defect
[07:50] <Merc> :-(
[07:50] <RadSurfer> going to restart after that... brb
[07:51] <Merc> oh sorry, yeah, RadSurfer has the hanging problem
[07:51] <Merc> hell i dunno
[07:51] <RadSurfer> brb
[07:51] <Merc> you said "not sure where i should get started"
[07:51] <Merc> so i thought it was you
[07:51] <Merc> BRIEFLY
[07:51] <akem> Complete freeze is probably due to kernel driver bug. I had freezes with my intel chipset, fixed in new kernel.
[07:51] <akem> I mean graphic chip.
[07:56] <GoingViral> With freezing I've learned not to predict
[07:56] <GoingViral> Just have to actually troubleshoot, which is a pain.
[07:58] <RadSurfer> There are now errors being posted in text when restarting/rebooting, I have never seen before. Something definitely broke apparently.
[07:58] <RadSurfer> It lasted from November! Then this happened.
[07:59] <RadSurfer> Wonder if harddrive is having issues? How may I scan harddrive for issues, please?
[07:59] <GoingViral> RadSurfer: well slow down for a moment and pay attention to the errors
[08:00] <RadSurfer> Next time, I'll try to get a photo with my camera :)
[08:00] <RadSurfer> But let's scan hdd... let's see if it does report anything...
[08:00] <GoingViral> RadSurfer: run "sudo dmesg"
[08:00] <GoingViral> You'll get a lot of stuff
[08:01] <GoingViral> Look for things that look like errors
[08:02] <GoingViral> Don't take guesses that waste time when you have tools that can help you direct your attention to the actual issue.
[08:02] <RadSurfer> for verification, this is how it starts:
[08:03] <RadSurfer> [    0.000000] Linux version 5.3.0-42-generic (buildd@lcy01-amd64-026) (gcc version 9.2.1 20191008 (Ubuntu 9.2.1-9ubuntu2)) #34-Ubuntu SMP Fri Feb 28 05:49:40 UTC 2020 (Ubuntu 5.3.0-42.34-generic 5.3.18)
[08:03] <GoingViral> Ok
[08:03] <RadSurfer> just 1 more item: [    0.000000] Command line: BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-5.3.0-42-generic root=UUID=6894e54f-df29-4c9b-b6b4-3384cdf4b76c ro quiet splash
[08:05] <GoingViral> Another log file I think... I'm getting a little too tired to be of much use, but maybe someone else here can help. Gotta go count sheep
[08:05] <RadSurfer> Thanks, look for you later tomorrow, perhaps.
[08:06] <RadSurfer> not finding anything obvious in this list
[08:06] <GoingViral> Today for me lol
[08:06] <RadSurfer> Rad@Ub: Sat Mar/28/20 088 04:06:18 (08:06 UTC 01:06 PAC 02:06 MTN 03:06 CEN)
[08:06] <RadSurfer> 4am here.
[08:06] <GoingViral> Same
[08:06] <GoingViral> But I'm assuming you're much younger than I.
[08:07] <RadSurfer> gosh. 60 doesn't feel young much these dayz.
[08:07] <GoingViral> Lying doesn't feel genuine much either lol
[08:08] <RadSurfer> hows that?
[08:08] <GoingViral> ?
[08:08] <RadSurfer> Line 1071 has this :: [   24.150311] [drm] Warning: check cp_fw_version and update it to realize 			      GRBM requires 1-cycle delay in cp firmware
[08:09] <GoingViral> Keep looking
[08:09] <RadSurfer> I kept that dump of information, but nothing saying ERROR apparently.
[08:09] <GoingViral> Ok
[08:10] <RadSurfer> Line 822 :: [    1.513225] RAS: Correctable Errors collector initialized.
[08:10] <RadSurfer> Line 967 :: [   10.708951] EXT4-fs (sda2): re-mounted. Opts: errors=remount-ro
[08:10] <RadSurfer> no more 'errors'
[08:11] <RadSurfer> .&. I was having such fun with this system too, before these freeze-ups started. Wah.
[08:12] <GoingViral> Well now you can have fun learning a lot while troubleshooting and hopefully fixing the issue!
[08:13] <RadSurfer> Will turn in myself, and see what I find in a few hours. THANKS for your assistance. Later friend.
[08:14] <GoingViral> Goodnight old man
[08:14] <RadSurfer> ;)
[08:14] <GoingViral> (which is complete bs)
[08:14] <RadSurfer> No its true, if you hard discord or skype, you would realize it instantly.
[08:14] <RadSurfer> /s/hard/had
[08:15] <GoingViral> I don't think so. You have tells.
[08:15] <RadSurfer> It is nice to `thinque young`
[08:16]  * RadSurfer is outta here, see ya in a few hours.
[08:17] <GoingViral> Just that one statement... No way you're 60. "Outta" is not a thing, nor is "ya", and no 60 year old leaves at 4am and returns "a few hours" later.
[08:17] <Merc> lol
[08:17] <GoingViral> Up your AARP game bro
[08:18] <Merc> GoingViral: ok zoomer
[08:18] <Merc> im 43 and i say all that stuff
[08:18] <Merc> you just, like, assumed our age
[08:18] <GoingViral> Merc: I'm 36 and I do also
[08:18] <Merc> pretty offensive
[08:18]  * Merc slaps GoingViral 
[08:18]  * Merc runs
[08:18] <GoingViral> Don't pop your knee out gramps
[08:19] <Merc> ive had gout
[08:19] <Merc> in my knee
[08:20] <Merc> that makes me *super* old
[08:20] <Merc> (or, an alcoholic)
[08:20] <towser> yay it booted up just fine from live cd that time
[08:20] <GoingViral> Scurvy at all?
[08:20] <Merc> nah no scurvy... i take a vitamin C tablet every day
[08:21] <indyZ> 36? damn geezers.
[08:21] <Merc> ive been running linux as long as you've been alive, son
[08:22] <towser> is the microphone below thw volume the mic volume?
[08:22] <indyZ> Merc: for most of the people I talk about linux with, that's true. :/
[08:22] <Merc> indyZ: it's cool tho, you're getting started early :)
[08:22] <Merc> i started at the age of 16 or so
[08:22] <Merc> leanred a lot!~
[08:22] <Merc> s/leanred/learned
[08:22] <indyZ> nah. I started using linux in 94, when I was 11. :)
[08:23] <indyZ> apparently that was a long time ago now.
[08:23] <Merc> well you're not that much younger than me
[08:23] <GoingViral> indyZ: actually, same here!
[08:23] <Merc> i was uhhh, 17 in '94
[08:23] <indyZ> GoingViral: Nice (same age, too)
[08:23] <sc0utonlinux> Hello, is there a way to install more than one package at a time through discover app .. each time i click one app it already starts installing it .. directly
[08:23] <indyZ> GoingViral: I thought I was the only one.
[08:23] <Merc> sc0utonlinux: you can just use apt
[08:23] <Merc> apt install [...]
[08:24] <GoingViral> Red Hat 5.0 floppies, just don't say that in #ubuntu
[08:24] <Merc> as many as you like
[08:24] <GoingViral> Whoops
[08:24] <indyZ> For me it was slackware 2.x remotely, 3.0 at home
[08:24] <Merc> GoingViral: heh, i was always a slackware/redhat guy... never liked debian, still dont.  ubuntu is cool tho :-)
[08:24] <indyZ> back when most telnet servers ran a real form of Unix..
[08:25] <GoingViral> I was dialing into RIPterm man
[08:25] <sc0utonlinux> Merc, i could but then i gotta know exactly the names of each item and type each item .. id rather point and click and then commit
[08:25] <Merc> indyZ: heh yeah my first unix "experience" was a solaris user account at the local university
[08:25] <indyZ> lol. ripterm was dope. but I only knew a few boards that supported it, and my modem was too slow, anyway. :)
[08:25] <Merc> sc0utonlinux: just use 'apt search' to find the names of packages
[08:25] <Merc> much quicker
[08:25] <Merc> for instance 'apt search emacs'
[08:25] <Merc> it will show all emacs packages
[08:25] <Merc> then just `apt install` the ones you want
[08:25] <sc0utonlinux> Merc, im quite dislexic so i always make writing mistakes.. i would have to remember the exact letters of each package ..
[08:26] <GoingViral> indyZ: that's where I got all the "pics" to put on floppies and sell at middle school
[08:26] <Merc> alright well i dont know the answer to your question about Discover
[08:26] <indyZ> GoingViral: Believe it or not.. there are still some dialup BBSs. Lately I've been calling them with a modem over voip.
[08:26] <indyZ> GoingViral: Lol
[08:26] <sc0utonlinux> im guessing it's not possible .. is what your saying .. each time i click .. it will install
[08:26] <Merc> i dont know, i dont use discover
[08:26] <sc0utonlinux> you cant select more than one package
[08:26] <Merc> i install from command line with apt
[08:27] <sc0utonlinux> i gather :D
[08:27] <Merc> ill test something
[08:28] <Merc> yeah i thought maybe selecting more than one package by holding down alt/shift would work
[08:28] <Merc> but it doesnt
[08:29] <GoingViral> Did you try control?
[08:29] <GoingViral> Because that's the normal multi-select
[08:31] <sc0utonlinux> GoingViral, same effect just goes to install directly
[08:33] <GoingViral> Ok
[09:26] <StianL> I've got apt stuck in a weird state and I'm struggling to get out of it. Any pointers would be appreciated. Thanks! https://askubuntu.com/questions/1220935/apt-stuck-in-weird-state-that-apt-fix-broken-install-wont-fix
[09:28] <lotuspsychje> StianL: do you have external ppa's added to your system?
[09:34] <lotuspsychje> StianL: we advice to use ubuntu with the official repos/packages try to revert your apt as default possible with !ppapurge first
[10:54] <CoolerX> where is the preferences in gedit?
[10:55] <CoolerX> I make some changes to settings like "show line numbers" "indent with spaces" etc. but when I close and reopen those settings are reset to the defaults
[10:55] <CoolerX> I am on ubuntu 18.04
[10:56] <lotuspsychje> CoolerX: open nautilus with ctrl+l and type admin:///
[10:56] <CoolerX> lotuspsychje, huh?
[10:57] <lotuspsychje> CoolerX: its a gedit file you are editing?
[10:57] <CoolerX> lotuspsychje, I am editing .py files
[10:57] <CoolerX> using gedit
[10:58] <lotuspsychje> CoolerX: yeah so open your py files after entering nautilus in admin mode
[10:58] <CoolerX> lotuspsychje, and then what?
[10:58] <lotuspsychje> CoolerX: then you will be able to save them from gedit
[10:59] <CoolerX> lotuspsychje, save the settings I select?
[11:00] <lotuspsychje> try it CoolerX
[11:01] <CoolerX> lotuspsychje, I tried it
[11:01] <CoolerX> it doesn't save the options, if I reopen the file the settings are reset
[11:02] <CoolerX> lotuspsychje, where is the preferences option?
[11:02] <CoolerX> can I not change the defaults?
[11:02] <lotuspsychje> CoolerX: are you trying to edit a file, or edit gedit preferences?
[11:02] <foo> I'm trying to split screen within linux screen, doesn't seem to be working with this from man page: │C-a |            │ (split -v)      │ Split  the  current region vertically into - any ideas? It simply doesn't do anything when I attempt to split
[11:03] <CoolerX> lotuspsychje, these stackoverflow posts say to change the preferences in the edit menu https://askubuntu.com/questions/64118/why-is-gedit-going-back-to-default-tab-sizes-all-the-time
[11:03] <CoolerX> askubuntu posts
[11:03] <CoolerX> but there is no edit menu
[11:03] <CoolerX> there is no menu bar even
[11:04] <lotuspsychje> CoolerX: gedit should show the 3 lines - to enter preferences?
[11:05] <CoolerX> lotuspsychje, what 3 lines?
[11:05] <lotuspsychje> the menu
[11:05] <lotuspsychje> CoolerX: alternate, try dconf-editor to change gedit settings
[11:06] <lotuspsychje> CoolerX: org.gnome.gedit.preferences.editor tabs-size
[11:07] <CoolerX> "
[11:07] <CoolerX> @Flimm: In Gedit in Gnome 3, you can find the preferences dialog by clicking on the top bar of the screen, next to "Activities". – Raoul Steffen Aug 9 '19 at 7:53
[11:07] <CoolerX> "
[11:35] <werdoe> hi guys
[11:35] <werdoe> new here, can I ask a question?
[11:36] <werdoe> ive been looking for an extension to rearrange/sort my status indicators, is that possible?
[11:39] <lotuspsychje> werdoe: not sure thats possible, but you can always search: https://extensions.gnome.org/
[11:40] <werdoe> i cant seem to find one. been looking since yesterday.
[12:12] <chmykh> Hello dear Ubuntu users! Please help. I like ubuntu, but it's 'purple' design is hard to use daily. Is there some manual to change it's theming (color theming, grub, splash, login screen, etc)?
[12:13] <lolobaba> hello
[12:18] <towser> in xubuntu my sound doesn't work in vm, please help
[12:19] <john_rambo> , I have downloaded the Tor browser and extracted it
[12:19] <john_rambo> Hi, I have downloaded the Tor browser and extracted it to the /home/username/Downloads .....I want to launch Tor browser with Firejail ...How do I do that ?
[12:23] <sixwheeledbeast> firejail tor-browser in the appropriate directory?
[12:27] <towser> hey on xubuntu in vm sound doesn't work, can you help?
[12:42] <pavl> is it possible to write mount point to fstab to make new disk accessible for all users on system?
[12:43] <pavl> becouse now I need to chmod it
[12:51] <akem> pavl, Yes, you may be able to specify uid=,gid= as mount options.
[12:58] <pragmaticenigma> pavl, make sure the drive is mounted under a group that all the users belong to. Then make sure the mount options give group members read/write permissions
[12:58] <shevchuk> Hello. Some package A depends on other package B version less than 1.5. My repos have 3 versions for B (none installed yet): 1.5, 1.4 and 1.3 (apt policy B shows candidate being 1.5 of course).
[12:59] <shevchuk> When I try to install A (which needs B less than 1.5, i.e. less than my default candidate) it fails to install syaing "A: Depends: B (< 1.5) but it is not going to be installed" without trying to install other available versions. Is that normal? Can A do something about it?
[13:02] <pragmaticenigma> shevchuk, we need details in order to help you. At the moment, I'm going to assume that you have enabled a PPA in your sources, which is not supported here. Remove the PPAs and all the packages should start working again
[13:03] <NissanGTR_FanBoy> hi
[13:07] <GoingViral> Wow yeah that A and B stuff is confusing
[13:08] <GoingViral> "If a train starting at point A is traveling at..."
[13:09] <shevchuk> pragmaticenigma: my question was about how apt works, I just want to better understand its mechanism. I have no problems with my system, package A is dummy and is just a learning example.
[13:10] <pragmaticenigma> shevchuk, This is a support channel for helping others with system issues. For hyptheticals there is the #ubuntu-offtopic channel
[13:13] <shevchuk> pragmaticenigma: ok, I just thought that since apt is a core part of Ubuntu, this would be the right place to ask.
[13:14] <GoingViral> It's a REALLY core part of Debian, you should ask over there.
[13:14] <GoingViral> (kidding don't do that)
[13:15] <pragmaticenigma> GoingViral, if you're not actively helping someone, or requesting help, please don't add commentary. It can be distracting and confuse others
[13:16] <GoingViral> pragmaticenigma: understood. Very pragmatic also.
[13:41] <ktosiek> Hi! Is there any tool for remote desktop that: 1. allows me to grab an existing session, and 2. keeps the local screen locked?
[13:42] <ktosiek> vino unlocks the screen, so that's a no-go. xorgxrdp just crashes Xorg for me, so I haven't even really tested it
[13:42] <GoingViral> ktosiek: by existing session, you mean an existing local session?
[13:42] <ktosiek> GoingViral: yes
[13:43] <GoingViral> ktosiek: as far as I know they all use the actual X display so I don't think so. I could be wrong, though. It's happened before.
[13:43] <akem> With VNC you can control an existing session. But you won't be able to lock it and use it at the same it :P
[13:44] <akem> -it+time
[13:44] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[13:45] <akem> Hey.
[13:45] <ktosiek> And if I go with Wayland? Is the lock screen separate from the actual session there?
[13:47] <akem> I don't think so.
[13:47] <akem> Why do you need to lock the screen?
[13:49] <ktosiek> For the most part, I'd just feel better if it's locked. But there's also a practical consideration - I have a cat, and she likes keyboard :-)
[13:49] <GoingViral> Hahaha
[13:50] <RadSurfer> GoingViral :: we're still here. just launched ff though.
[13:51] <GoingViral> ktosiek: I'm going to consider this support: https://www.popsci.com/article/gadgets/defend-your-cubicle-nerf-sentry-gun/
[13:53] <akem> ktosiek, Maybe XDMCP is what you want: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/327532/how-to-remotely-log-in-with-full-graphical-desktop-over-x11
[13:54] <akem> I never tried it tho, so i cannot help with that.
[13:55] <ktosiek> akem: I don't think that XDMCP will help with accessing an existing local session, I think it works by starting new server-side sessions for remote X11 servers.
[13:56] <GoingViral> ktosiek: I think maybe having the lock screen on is probably only a consideration for kitty, because you can relock it when you log out, so you'll always have eyes on it while in use.
[13:57] <GoingViral> ktosiek: may be able to use more real life solutions for this than anything technical probably.
[13:58] <ktosiek> I could use VNC and disconnect the keyboard :-)
[13:59] <pragmaticenigma> wireless keyboards have a power switch
[13:59] <ktosiek> I hoped there's something closer to how Windows manages local and remote graphical sessions
[13:59] <GoingViral> ktosiek: sounds a lot more practical than my nerf sentry idea
[13:59] <GoingViral> ktosiek: RDP is patented, sadly
[13:59] <TJ-> ktosiek: I'm confused about what you're asking for and that is unusual! you mention 'remote desktop' but seem to be talking about attaching to a session on the same PC (local) not another PC
[13:59] <GoingViral> Not that that part necessarily is
[14:00] <ktosiek> pragmaticenigma: mine uses a normal USB-C cable, so I can disconnect that without jumping behind the computer
[14:01] <GoingViral> Or plug it into another computer for the cat, who is obviously trying to look something up
[14:01] <ktosiek> TJ-: I'm talking about connecting from a remote PC, and controlling a session that was started locally. So more like VNC or Windows RDP, not like remote X11.
[14:02] <TJ-> ktosiek: so terminology is a bit confused. You're connecting FROM the local PC TO a remote PC and want the REMOTE to remain locked
[14:02] <akem> It's simple, he wants to use the session from remote, but lockscreen on local.
[14:03] <ktosiek> TJ-: yes
[14:03] <TJ-> ktosiek: in which case that simply means you need to trigger the lock-screen once the VNC connection comes up
[14:03] <TJ-> ktosiek: which desktop environment are you using, is it Gnome ?
[14:04] <GoingViral> TJ-: but he wants to use it while locked on the remote end
[14:04] <akem> It will lock up VNC too AFAIK.
[14:04] <ktosiek> it is Gnome. I've tried the built-in VNC server, and it did lock the VNC too
[14:06] <TJ-> ktosiek: VNC is the wrong tool then, it *shares* not duplicates the session
[14:06] <GoingViral> ktosiek: I think the solution you're looking for may be more difficult than unplugging the keyboard, if there even is a solution
[14:08] <TJ-> ktosiek: do you *really* need access to the desktop? If you can want to simply run remote applications then ssh -X tunnelling
[14:10] <GoingViral> TJ-: I can see having access to an existing session being important
[14:10] <TJ-> ktosiek: e.g. I do that to a remote office to run the DAW (ardour) and have its display locally, 50 miles away
[14:10] <GoingViral> If not for the extra resource usage averted then for the convenience.
[14:11] <TJ-> ktosiek: if you;re mostly worried about cat interference you could programmatically disable/enable the keyboard on VNC connection/disconnection. You could also potentially turn the monitor off via DPMS
[14:12] <GoingViral> That's actually a pretty good idea
[14:12] <GoingViral> I'm sure probably some vnc server(s) have session start/end scripts
[14:14] <TJ-> or just launch a script that also launches vino over ssh
[14:15] <akem> Hacky ways :P TJ- What about XDMCP?
[14:16] <TJ-> akem: is it still functional? I've seen many reports over the past couple of years of problems but not tried it myself
[14:17] <ktosiek> My use case is working outside, with a bit of luck I'll have the computer in sight. Tunneling won't work, as it would kill the app when switching back to working locally. I like the keyboard disabling script idea (maybe something that grabs the evdev device?)
[14:18] <akem> TJ-, I don't know, i thought maybe you had some ideas about it. Didn't try it either.
[14:18] <TJ-> akem: From what I recall it was OKish around 12.04-14.04 but started to bit rot and was always difficult to configure due to changes in the other layers
[14:21] <akem> TJ-, Ok. I must say i often use VNC on another machine too and i reconn it would be nice to be able to lock the screen of that machine while having it unlocked remotly.
[14:23] <TJ-> looks like ReaLVNC has this ability to disable local input
[14:24] <ConfusedTranslat> Hi. I'm having to use linux for the first time for a university subject. Instead of just blindly copy/pasting terminal commands I'm trying to learn a little bit about what I am doing (might as well). I was wondering if there is a channel for absolute newbies to ask questions in or if this channel is the appropiate one. Thanks
[14:24] <TJ-> ktosiek: which VNC server are you using?
[14:25] <TJ-> ConfusedTranslat: ##linux #bash for more general questions
[14:25] <jaakkos> ConfusedTranslat: as general advice please always do basic googling first. People don't usually like if you ask questions that are trivially googlable.
[14:26] <pragmaticenigma> ConfusedTranslat, The best tool is use a search engine and research the commands... Never blindly copy anything from IRC or the web. When you see a command you don't understand... they all have a manual page which you can access with "man {name_of_command/program}"
[14:26] <ktosiek> TJ-: I've tried vino so far, I'll look at RealVNC next. Thank you!
[14:27] <lotuspsychje> jaakkos: new users trying to find their way on irc, we can still forward to the right channel like TJ- did or advice !alis
[14:28] <TJ-> ^^ not on all distros! man-pages are part of Debian policy requirements which is why we mostly have them https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-docs.html
[14:28] <TJ-> ConfusedTranslat: welcome to GNU/Linux as well :)
[14:28] <jaakkos> lotuspsychje: sure :)
[14:29] <ConfusedTranslat> Thanks. It is what I am doing, but there are certain commands we are instructed to do by the professor, for example to update a repository, which while they work, I don't actually understand what the command is doing, even after googling  what the commands and options do. I'll go and ask on the other channel.
[14:29] <TJ-> ConfusedTranslat: are you referring to "apt update" ?
[14:29] <pragmaticenigma> ConfusedTranslat, That's an opportunity to talk to your professor... if you ask them, they will realize that there are probably other students who could benefit from clarification
[14:30] <TJ-> pragmaticenigma: it's also an opportunity for self-learning which is far more beneficial
[14:30] <TJ-> We should always encourage and support inquisitiveness and intelligent questions
[14:41] <ConfusedTranslat> pragmaticenigma Professor is a language theorist who isn't really computer literate :D, they just gave us a list of instructions to follow to set up an Ubuntu VM. It is a machine translation course.
[14:41] <ConfusedTranslat> The issue is that we are told to use (wget https://apertium.projectjj.com/apt/install-nightly.sh -O - | sudo bash). Now I undestrand wget is download from the address, and the -O means output to a file with the dash disabling link conversion.  Then, the pipe means the output would be sent to bash (with Superuser privileges). What I don't get is how
[14:41] <ConfusedTranslat> that would update/add to my repository.
[14:44] <pragmaticenigma> ConfusedTranslat, The dash redirects what would be outputted to a file, to stdout, which is piped to the sudo bash command
[14:45] <TJ-> ConfusedTranslat: the effect of the command is to *execute* a remotely stored shell script as 'root' user on your local PC - generally thought to be a VERY dangerous thing to do
[14:45] <TJ-> ConfusedTranslat: presumably that script is adding an entry to APTs archive/repository database under /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
[14:46] <TJ-> ConfusedTranslat: but we'd always recommend you download the script and check it out first before executing it
[14:46] <TJ-> ConfusedTranslat: there are much better, safer, ways of adding additional repositories
[14:46] <ConfusedTranslat> TJ- Ah, I think I got it then. So all the actual work is done by the script at that url. With the command I am just retrieving the script and sending it to be ran on the terminal
[14:46] <TJ-> ConfusedTranslat: precisely
[14:47] <TJ-> ConfusedTranslat: and you don't know what it is going to do
[14:47] <akem> I think, if it's not computer oriented class (your goal is something else) then you don't necessarly need to understand all the underlying commands/config...I mean it could be a full script, you cannot waist time learning everything that is going on. Only if something goes wrong or doesn't work you need to go that way, or ask for help. But if you like computer stuff then go for it.
[14:47] <lotuspsychje> ktosiek: dont forget the security part when playing with vnc, a lot of scanners will hammer your way
[14:50] <ktosiek> lotuspsychje: thanks for the heads up. It won't be exposed to the internet, but I'll keep it behind TLS and a password.
[14:51] <ConfusedTranslat> We are using a VM on VirtualBox set up exclusively to run Apertium for this course, just to learn how to script for the machine translation. It's not a computer specialized course, but it always bugged me that I didn't understand at least the basic workings of Linux. Anyway. Thanks a lot, that cleared that up. Have a good one!
[14:51] <lotuspsychje> ktosiek: allrighty
[14:52] <pragmaticenigma> ktosiek, It is better to use something like VPN to access the remote network or create a tunnel using SSH... that way no one can tap into the data stream and see your screen. It also reduces the entry points to your machine and/or home network
[14:52] <lotuspsychje> ktosiek: passworded vnc can also be bypassed, just keep in mind
[14:52] <pragmaticenigma> VNC does not encrypt the datastream... anyone can intercept and see your remote desktop if it is not layered inside of an encrypted protocol like a VPN or SSH
[14:55] <zaggynl> nginx won't start, claims 443 is in use, sudo netstat -lpn or fuser shows nothing running, anyony have ideas?
[14:56] <pragmaticenigma> zaggynl, how are you starting nginx? where are you seeing the error message?
[14:56] <zaggynl>  sudo service nginx start
[14:56] <zaggynl> "systemctl status nginx.service" and "journalctl -xe"
[14:56] <zaggynl> also tried by hand with sudo nginx
[14:56] <zaggynl> can't telnet to localhost 443 either
[14:57] <pragmaticenigma> zaggynl, have you tried a restart of the system?
[14:57] <zaggynl> yes
[14:57] <pragmaticenigma> zaggynl, Are you using any tools for LetsEncrypt?
[14:57] <zaggynl> just did system upgrade via apt
[14:57] <zaggynl> nothing on this server
[14:58] <zaggynl> 1 not fully installed or removed.
[14:58] <TJ-> zaggynl: what does "systemctl status ..." report?
[14:58] <TJ-> zaggynl: presumably that ios where you're seeing the 'port in use' message? show us the full output of the command in a pastebin
[14:59] <zaggynl> I think apt got interrupted, trying to reinstall a package, hang on
[14:59] <TJ-> '443' in use *could* occur for a 'restart' operation if the previous instance isn't terminating immediately and the control script doesn't check
[15:04] <zaggynl> eh, I think this box is kaput, I
[15:04] <zaggynl> I'll reinstall it
[15:11] <Amnesia172> Hi, help please. How in Ubuntu 18 make country flag in language section
[15:13] <oerheks> country flag?
[15:13] <oerheks> Amnesia172, explain please?
[15:14] <lotuspsychje> maybe he means lubuntu style language icon
[15:14] <Amnesia172> When i change language only text EN or CZ, i want change on flags
[15:14] <Amnesia172> like an icon
[15:15] <Amnesia172> lotuspsychje: Yes !!
[15:31] <neteffect> hello, it says 'files: one new notification', where is this notification?
[15:32] <oerheks> neteffect, explain 'it' ?
[15:32] <neteffect> like on the lock screen
[15:32] <neteffect> the printer has a message for me too
[15:34] <ioria> neteffect, don't you have a dot near the date/clock in the top panel ? you have to click on it
[15:34] <neteffect> ok
[15:34] <neteffect> sweet thanks
[15:35] <ioria> np, you can disable it, if you want neteffect
[15:35] <neteffect> nah im new to ubuntu just now.  i used linux years and years ago.  pretty nice this ubuntu
[15:36] <neteffect> way back before redhat had their commercial packages
[15:36] <neteffect> what a difference between then and now, wow
[15:37] <pragmaticenigma> neteffect, that might be a question better asked in the #ubuntu-offtopic channel... if you have no further support related questions, we'll look for you in there :-)
[15:37] <neteffect> my question was about ubuntu
[15:38] <pragmaticenigma> neteffect, the history of ubutnu and differences between different distros is not ontopic for this support channel. Please come join us in #ubuntu-offtopic
[15:38] <neteffect> seems appropraite still and it's not busy in here.  But I did not know about the offtopic channel, i will check it out.
[15:39] <neteffect> thanks
[15:39] <leaftype2> neteffect: ubuntu-offtopoic is quite frendly adn active, you'll like it there
[15:41] <ericus> I i were to install windows and ubuntu alongside on a laptop, would I first install windows?
[15:41] <ericus> and then let GRUB pickup as bootloader?
[15:42] <pragmaticenigma> ericus, that is correct
[15:43] <ericus> I also want a third distro, guess I'll just leave free disk space for that one
[15:45] <leaftype2> ericus: the same tool that resizes windows during install will also resize linux, so it shouldn't be a major issue
[15:46] <ericus> the two linux dists needs to be encrypted though
[15:47] <pragmaticenigma> that could get a little tricky ericus ... are you certain you need full partition encryption? not just home directory encryption?
[15:48] <ericus> FDE on one of them
[15:48] <ericus> well maybe not /boot
[15:48] <pragmaticenigma> ericus, is this a UEFI based machine?
[15:48] <ericus> yes
[15:49] <pragmaticenigma> I think if you're using GPT (instead of MBR) you won't need /boot ...
[15:49] <oerheks> encrypted .. wants LVM? so it would use whole disk
[15:49] <pragmaticenigma> won't need a dedicated /boot
[15:50] <ericus> got you pragmaticenigma
[15:51] <oerheks> encryption works, but if something fails, make sure you have backups of important files
[15:51] <ericus> it's gonna be a fresh install, so no important files
[15:51] <ericus> quarantine project...
[15:53] <ericus> I could go for just Win10 and a Linux FDE, would that be easier?
[15:53] <ericus> instead of triple boot
[15:54] <ericus> FDE as in that whole partition that is
[15:55] <oerheks> encryption wants LVM, so format the whole disk  and drop windows 10?
[15:55] <ericus> I need Win10 for a project
[16:11] <sixwheeledbeast> Maybe run Win10 etc virtually?
[16:17] <TJ-> ericus: you can make a seperate /boot/ file-system partition (~768M+ shared by the distros) plus a partition for LVM with multiple LVs - both distros can use the LVM VG each having its own LVs
[16:18] <TJ-> ericus: with a separate /boot/ it can be encrypted so GRUB unlocks it via /etc/default/grub GRUB_ENABLE_CRYPTODISK=y
[16:30] <eeos> hi! I would like to monitor the average battery consuption by process on my *ubuntu laptop 18.04 LTS .... how do I do that? I think there is something that does not work well with lat update, and battery consumption is through the roof..
[16:31] <oerheks> eeos, one better use top to see what process is using huge memory/cputime
[16:32] <oerheks> 'power per process' if existed, is calculated on that anyway
[16:32] <GoingViral> eeos: powertop
[16:32] <BluesKaj> !crosspost | eeos
[16:34] <cgi> how do i get gcc10 on ubuntu18 to co-exist with the current gcc?
[16:36] <oerheks> cgi,  build yourself? no gcc 10 in toolchain ppa https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-toolchain-r/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[16:37] <oerheks> and wait for Focal 20.04 LTS is out https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gcc-10
[16:38] <eeos> GoingViral: thanks!
[16:39] <cgi> oerheks, is there a place where i can find instructions to safely build and install gcc on ubuntu? Perhaps a deb file so i can easily remove it?
[16:39] <oerheks> if you build it, it creates a bed file
[16:39] <oerheks> no clue for instructions ..
[16:41] <eeos> oerheks: can you use top to produce a report over let's say 20 days?
[16:42] <oerheks> eeos, no, i dont think so.
[16:42] <oerheks> where would that data be?
[16:45] <Apfelwurm> Hi! :) I try to get PXE boot working with secure boot, at the moment with the signed shim and grubnet (2.04) efi x64 packages from ubuntu 19.10 (also tested 2.02 from 18.04). The boot to grub works but it dont requests a grub.cfg from the tftp server after it has loaded. If i specify it manualy via configfile everything works. After booting,the
[16:45] <Apfelwurm> root,pxe_default_server, net_default_server net_efinet0_boot_file Vars are not set at all. I have tested to place the file in /grub.cfg , /grub/grub.cfg and /boot/grub/grub.cfg in my tftproot but i dont think that the wrong path is the problem, since no file gets pulled from the tftp after grubx64.efi. I also tried the Grub from the debian package
[16:45] <Apfelwurm> repos in version buster  and bullseye, they all behave exactly the same way. I also got wireshark on the line and there is definitly no request to the TFTP after the grubnetx64.efi.signed (or that file renamed to grubnetx64.efi to chainload it via shim.efi.signed) so what am i missing? Thanks :)
[16:45] <eeos> oerheks: this is the kind of stuff I need .... similar to what happens for example eon android?
[16:45] <pavlos> eeos: you can install sysstat ... https://tecadmin.net/sysstat-monitor-linux-system-performance/
[16:48] <Rhombix> could someone direct me to an ubuntu/linux help channel?
[16:49] <Fjorgynn> Topic: Official Ubuntu Support Channel
[16:49] <oerheks> and there is ##linux too
[16:50] <Rhombix> ty
[16:54] <zaggynl> anyone using ubuntu 20.04? mic not getting detected in firefox and chromium, works in chrome
[16:56] <katnip> try #ubuntu+1
[16:56] <eeos> pavlos: thank yu I will look at it!
[16:56] <kromaz> zaggynl: check your firefox permissions for mic
[16:57] <tripelb> Sum: elementary borked my 18.04 so how do I ro
[16:59] <tripelb> skookumo how do I remove it. I installed the DE but.. in grub, all of my ubu partitions say elementary. When 18.04 boots up it gets stuck on caja and flickered the window on and off.
[17:00] <tripelb>  Sum: elementary borked my 18.04 so how do I  remove it?  I installed the DE but.. in grub, all of my ubu partitions say elementary. When 18.04 boots up it gets stuck on caja and flickered the window on and off.
[17:03] <someone235> Hi, when I try to install wine I have the following error
[17:04] <someone235> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/3Bj11vRq/
[17:04] <someone235> Is someone familiar with this error?
[17:04] <smacktalk> 18.04.1-Ubuntu - keeps loosing internet connectivity.  ifconfig doesn't work
[17:05] <leaftype2> someone235: how were you attempting to install it?
[17:05] <someone235> leaftype2: sudo apt-get install --install-recommends winehq-stable
[17:05] <oerheks> wine-stable is from a PPA?
[17:05] <someone235> leaftype2: I tried to follow these instructions
[17:05] <someone235> For ubuntu 18.04
[17:07] <oerheks> i read tons of issues with that ppa, and it is not supported here, try #winehq ?
[17:08] <someone235> ok thx
[17:09] <someone235> leaftype2: I meant these instructions https://wiki.winehq.org/Ubuntu
[17:11] <leaftype2> someone235: good call, oerheks knows what they're talking about
[17:13] <coreyhuinker> just saw something weird happen with nemo on ubuntu 19.10:  I have two folders windows open. First folder is is a subdir of my Dropbox folder. Second folder is a subdir to one of my google drive accounts. I copied 3 files from first folder to second folder, and noticed that for each file copied a link file was also copied.  I checked google drive, and only the three expected files were copied. I clicked "UP" in the second folder
[17:13] <coreyhuinker>  re-selected the destination folder and only the three files I expected to see were there. So everything _worked_, but the UI was briefly showing me 3 phantom symlink files. Is this a known issue?
[17:13] <pavlos> someone235: did you install FAudio as explained in the link?
[17:15] <someone235> pavlos: No, I missed that actually
[17:19] <Hamilton> My sound output is okay on VLC and Firefox most of the time. But some times after a while it becomes noisy...When I use music players , it is *always* noisy. What is the problem?
[17:23] <oerheks> Hamilton, sounds like a hardware issue to me
[17:23] <Hamilton> oerheks, it works fine on windows
[17:23] <Hamilton> It's not just speakers...It happens on headphones also.
[17:24] <Hamilton> When it becomes noisy in FF, if I just pause or mute, then play back, the issue is gone
[17:27] <filohuhum> anyone kno the no-wifi after suspension issue?
[17:27] <filohuhum> hi folks!
[17:27] <garshol> filohuhum: quite normal on some wireless cards .
[17:28] <garshol> filohuhum: https://askubuntu.com/a/893823/918383
[17:30] <garshol> Hamilton: do you have `pavucontrol` installed?
[17:30] <Hamilton> garshol, yes
[17:32] <Hamilton> In Configuration tab, Profile is set to Analog Stereo Duplex. Should I change it to off or anything else? there are 6 options
[17:32] <garshol> Hamilton: ok, then i have less of a clue. try asking in #pulseaudio
[17:32] <garshol> no, not really.
[17:34] <TJ-> Hamilton: what do you mean by noisy? distorted, extra loud?
[17:34] <Hamilton> yeah distorted like static interference. And if it continues it becomes a loud static noise
[17:34] <filohuhum> ty
[17:35] <garshol> np filohuhum
[17:37] <TJ-> Hamilton: is there a hardware device 'boost' option enabled on the output device? some ALSA devices have one which probably needs disabling. try "alsamixer" see what controls are there
[17:37] <oerheks> maybe line-out is selected, not amplified speakers
[17:52] <IntelCore> tomorrow I will need help parting drive with grub 2.. I had to install new windows side-ways
[17:52] <IntelCore> don't have grub loading ubuntu atm
[17:53] <oerheks> help yourself
[17:53] <oerheks> !grub
[17:53] <IntelCore> hope that does not mean the ubuntu is destroyed
[17:53] <oerheks> i remember you did not run ubuntu?
[17:54] <IntelCore> oerhrks.. my hero!
[17:54] <IntelCore> I think Bashing help me 5 years aho to do it
[18:00] <IntelCore> I'll be baack.. (Terminator)
[18:08] <ESphynx> hi all, is there an easy way to install glibc 2.30 on 18.04 ?
[18:12] <oerheks> nope, no PPA afaik, it will come with Eoan https://packages.ubuntu.com/source/focal/glibc
[18:12] <oerheks> and focal, bets
[18:12] <oerheks> beta*
[18:13] <tomreyn> why do you need to, maybe there's a better solution?
[18:28] <ESphynx> oerheks: any reasons why there's no ppa? tomreyn: because it makes it a pain to build dynamically linked packages for my LTS server on my rolling linux system
[18:29] <ESphynx> the only alternatives I see area to statically link or to upgrade my server to a non-LTS
[18:29] <oerheks> any reasons? why would there be a reason?
[18:29] <oerheks> build your stuff in a VM then?
[18:30] <ESphynx> well I build my stuff on another machine, but that's still more of a pain than just building on my system directly.
[18:30] <ESphynx> what is preventing 2.30 from being built for bionic on the PPA?
[18:30] <tomreyn> chroot / lxc/lxd/docker should work
[18:32] <oerheks> no, getting glibc on your 18.04 is more a pain
[18:32] <ESphynx> oerheks: I don't understand why that is.
[18:32] <ESphynx> (or why glibc versions aren't more binary compatible)
[18:47] <ktosiek> glibc versions are pretty compatible, but only backwards - you need a runtime not older than the version used at build time.
[18:47] <ktosiek> ESphynx: I don't think targeting an older version is really supported, but it seems people do hack their way around it: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/4032373/linking-against-an-old-version-of-libc-to-provide-greater-application-coverage
[18:49] <ESphynx> ktosiek: thanks that sounds interesting... ktosiek I think the ABI forward compatibility varies between the different versions
[18:50] <ESphynx> ktosiek: Thanks it seems like that could ease my pain a great deal.
[18:51] <jexmex> For months I have had a lockup issue. I have tried various versions of nvidia driver and the open source alternative. Using a Nvidia gt 710 card. I got my log from just before the crash I just had. The screen stays on but is locked when it happens. Sometimes the mouse will move. Last few lines of log before reboot https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ZNxZdYytRg/
[18:53] <jexmex> Any help to point me in the right direction would be greatly appreciated
[18:54] <ESphynx> jexmex: I've had similar issues on my Ryzen 5 but with AMD video... never found a solution
[18:55] <jexmex> I should probably buy a new video card anyways, but I wish I could figure out what the issue is with it
[18:55] <TJ-> are you both using Gnome ?
[18:55] <jexmex> I am
[18:55] <TJ-> have you thought about trying an alternative desktop environment?
[18:56] <jexmex> Might be worth a shot atleast
[18:56] <jexmex> Any suggestions?
[18:56] <TJ-> jexmex: I've used xubuntu for the last 10 years - simple and doesn't try to override my choices
[18:57] <jexmex> That is xfce, yes?
[18:57] <TJ-> !info xubuntu-desktop | jexmex
[18:57]  * wicknix prefers lxde
[18:57] <TJ-> jexmex: installing that will install everything required
[18:57] <TJ-> jexmex: then you can select the Xubunti session at the greeter before log-in
[18:57] <Jordan_U> erwrs
[18:58] <jexmex> ok will give it a go, maybe at the very least it will narrow down the issue
[18:58] <TJ-> jexmex: right - process of elimination. if it still happens it points towards drivers/kernel
[18:59] <jexmex> will look into them, not heard of lxde before. Xfce was a little simplistic for my taste when I tried it before, but it will be worth it to just know if that is the issue
[19:00] <Hamilton> https://askubuntu.com/a/1127514/172587
[19:01] <ESphynx> ktosiek: That S/O link is gold... thanks again.
[19:01] <Hamilton> What is speech-dispacher and why is it running?
[19:01] <TJ-> Hamilton: accessibilty tooling for visually impaired
[19:02] <Hamilton> TJ-, Does it always auto-start?
[19:02] <TJ-> Hamilton: I think it does, probably integrated into the autostart options and can be disabled
[19:18] <dmdf> hey guys, what is the default user/group for squid in 18.04 ?
[19:19] <nickzxcv> has anyone had luck using http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/focal/main/uefi/efilinux-amd64/current/ ? I'm trying to pxeboot a dell c6420 server with it in uefi mode and it just crashes :(
[19:19] <nickzxcv> grubnetx64.efi.signed works though
[19:20] <oerheks> dmdf, you might want to reask in #ubuntu-server
[19:21] <nickzxcv> https://imgur.com/QzB1c2k is the result of using efilinux.efi.signed to pxe boot the dell c6420
[19:22] <dmdf> oerheks: thanks
[19:24] <oerheks> i cannot find the answer easily, so i wonder too
[19:26] <dmdf> oerheks: yeah, i was following this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DansGuardian and then i got stuck at iptables part
[19:26] <dmdf> specifically  this part >> sudo iptables -A OUTPUT -p tcp -m multiport --dports 80,443 -m owner --uid-owner privoxy -j ACCEPT
[19:34] <zippo^> Is PPA true?
[19:34] <tomreyn> "PPA" is binary but not boolean
[19:41] <jexmex> I tried installing xubuntu-desktop but getting unmet dependencies, it is recommending that I install xserver-xorg-input-synaptics, that won't break gnome will it?
[19:44] <zutat> jexmex: it's just a driver for touchpads
[19:44] <tomreyn> jexmex: which ubuntu release are you running there? do you want to share the full command you ran and the output it produced, on a !pastebin ?
[19:45] <jexmex> Seems like it won't be an issue. I made a mistake years ago that caused all sorts of problems so I am a lot more careful now
[19:45] <tomreyn> "unmet dependencies" should not normally happen on a standard ubuntu installation when installing a supported package such as "xubuntu-desktop"
[19:46] <jexmex> Wish me luck, thanks!
[19:46] <tomreyn> community supported, that is
[19:46] <oerheks> did you run a proper full upgrade?
[19:47] <tomreyn> they already left
[20:40] <elioporco> hello, i've got a problem on my ubuntustudio 19.10, after i've used boot repair i can't boot my os again
[20:40] <elioporco> i've tryed to install in dual boot along a win10 installation already on the machine but unsuccesfull, i've partitioned manually and i've installed ubuntustudio along looking for preserve the win installation and i was able to boot and use only the ubuntu os
[20:40] <elioporco> but after i installed and used boot-reapir i can't boot my pc at all and i see only a screen with "grub>"but after i installed and used boot-reapir i can't boot my pc at all and i see only a screen with "grub>"
[20:41] <elioporco> i've used rEFInd after and gdisk to investigate in what situation i was
[20:41] <elioporco> the gdisk say MBR only
[20:42] <EriC^^> elioporco: can you boot a live usb to troubleshoot?
[20:42] <EriC^^> right now i mean
[20:42] <elioporco> i'm on a live now
[20:42] <EriC^^> elioporco: ok, type 'sudo parted -ls | nc termbin.com 9999' and paste the link it gives you here
[20:44] <elioporco> sudo parted -ls | nc termbin.com 9999'
[20:44] <elioporco> sorry
[20:44] <elioporco> nc: getaddrinfo for host "termbin.com" port 9999: Temporary failure in name resolution
[20:44] <EriC^^> elioporco: do you have internet access on the pc?
[20:45] <elioporco> yes
[20:45] <elioporco> i'm writing on it with ubuntustudio 19.10 live
[20:45] <EriC^^> elioporco: seems dns is down, try "ping 5.39.93.71"
[20:45] <oerheks> ip of termbin.com is  5.39.93.71
[20:46] <elioporco> ok
[20:46] <oerheks> sudo parted -ls | nc 5.39.93.71 9999'
[20:46] <elioporco> 4 packets transmitted, 4 received, 0% packet loss, time 3004ms
[20:46] <EriC^^> elioporco: great, try oerheks 's command
[20:46] <elioporco> yes
[20:46] <elioporco> sudo parted -ls | nc 5.39.93.71 9999
[20:47] <elioporco> https://termbin.com/5f9z
[20:47] <elioporco> ok
[20:47] <elioporco> great
[20:47] <elioporco> i understand
[20:47] <EriC^^> elioporco: ok it seems that windows was installed in legacy mode, ubuntu was installed using uefi
[20:47] <elioporco> ook
[20:48] <EriC^^> elioporco: did you alter the partition table type by any chance?
[20:48] <elioporco> i've run bootreapir
[20:48] <EriC^^> cause i find it odd the efi partition is there at the very start and then the ntfs one, almost as if windows was initially uefi
[20:48] <EriC^^> ok
[20:48] <elioporco> repair and in advanced mode i've selected, disperately, mbr
[20:48] <EriC^^> what
[20:49] <EriC^^> did you 'convert to mbr' or something?
[20:49] <elioporco> in boot-repair in advanced mode i've tried install grub and it was unsucessfully
[20:49] <elioporco> after i've tried the mbr option
[20:49] <EriC^^> aha
[20:50] <elioporco> i'0m sorry
[20:50] <EriC^^> it happens plus it's your pc not mine no need to apologize
[20:50] <elioporco> it's the first time that i have a pc with uefi
[20:51] <EriC^^> anyways, do you remember exactly what the feature was? i want to make sure it was as such so that we can just convert back to gpt
[20:51] <elioporco> i'm looking for a solution from this morning
[20:51] <elioporco> yes
[20:51] <elioporco> i can relaunch boot repair only for look
[20:52] <EriC^^> this has a bunch of images of features https://www.google.com/search?q=boot+repair+mbr+option&client=ubuntu&hs=I60&channel=fs&sxsrf=ALeKk00E7pf8h8kPDQxFI9ZxMawGRZ58Nw:1585428689914&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiN3oOPhr7oAhWJ4IUKHWWQC9AQ_AUoAnoECA0QBA&biw=1535&bih=802#imgrc=4YgxbGQIEjWn2M
[20:52] <EriC^^> ok, please do
[20:52] <elioporco> the option is "restore MBR"
[20:53] <Jonopoly> I
[20:53] <Jonopoly> I'm working on an open source project which runs on win/linux
[20:53] <EriC^^> elioporco: i see
[20:53] <Jonopoly> i want to include postgreSQL, what version of PosgreSQ
[20:53] <Jonopoly> L
[20:54] <Jonopoly> oops, sorry what version of postgreSQL runs is on ubuntu?
[20:54] <oerheks> easy to find at launchpad. select ubuntu version first..
[20:54] <elioporco> i think that the MBR was restored on a wrong partition
[20:54] <oerheks> !find postgresql
[20:55] <EriC^^> elioporco: i wonder if we backup the mbr somewhere, then zap it or create a protective mbr there, i think the gpt stuff should still be there
[20:56] <Jonopoly> oerheks: Does that mean Postgres 11 is on ubuntu?
[20:56] <EriC^^> elioporco: usually the mbr is the first 512 bytes of the disk, the gpt is after that 4096bytes, with gpt usually there's a fake 'protective' mbr so that other old os and such dont think there's no partition table and attempt to format the disk/partition or something
[20:56] <oerheks> Jonopoly, yes
[20:56] <elioporco> ok
[20:56] <EriC^^> elioporco: anyways, what we can do is first backup your current mbr somewhere, so we can revert if needed
[20:57] <elioporco> but don't work
[20:57] <elioporco> now i can't boot any os
[20:58] <elioporco> the mbr is corrupted i think
[20:58] <oerheks> Jonopoly, oh, that was wrong, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/bionic/+source/postgresql-9.5
[21:00] <EriC^^> elioporco: yeah
[21:01] <EriC^^> do you have another usb you can use to save the current mbr backup to?
[21:01] <elioporco> yes Eric
[21:01] <EriC^^> elioporco: ok, plug it in
[21:01] <elioporco> can you guide me pls
[21:02] <EriC^^> elioporco: yes no worries, plug it in and mount it from the file manager
[21:02] <elioporco> i'm ready is on
[21:02] <oerheks> https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/28/new-yorkers-have-until-july-15-to-file-state-returns-cuomo-confirms.html  .. *before you are dead*
[21:02] <oerheks> oops wrong channel
[21:03] <elioporco> eric you think that i  can recovery also the booting of win partition?
[21:03] <EriC^^> elioporco: yes, that's the whole point
[21:03] <elioporco> oh yeees
[21:03] <EriC^^> elioporco: can you do something for me real quick though i just thought of something
[21:03] <EriC^^> elioporco: type 'sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt'
[21:04] <elioporco> ok
[21:04] <EriC^^> elioporco: we can see if windows had its efi files on the efi partition, that would confirm more it used to use uefi
[21:04] <elioporco> good
[21:04] <EriC^^> elioporco: after that command, type "ls -lR /mnt | nc 5.39.93.71 9999"
[21:05] <elioporco> https://termbin.com/gv7ma
[21:06] <EriC^^> seems no windows there
[21:07] <elioporco> there is another partition
[21:07] <EriC^^> elioporco: try "sudo umount /mnt"
[21:07] <EriC^^> then 'sudo mount /dev/sda2 /mnt'
[21:08] <elioporco> Mount is denied because the NTFS volume is already exclusively opened.The volume may be already mounted, or another software may use it whichcould be identified for example by the help of the 'fuser' command.
[21:08] <elioporco> ok i've mounted all the partition early for a try to boot repair
[21:09] <EriC^^> elioporco: oh ok, where is it mounted? try "ls /media/ubuntu"
[21:09] <elioporco> ls: cannot access '/media/ubuntu': No such file or directory
[21:10] <EriC^^> elioporco: try first "alias pasteit='nc 5.39.93.71 9999'"
[21:10] <EriC^^> then "mount | pasteit"
[21:11] <elioporco> https://termbin.com/v3z0
[21:12] <elioporco> i think is on sda6
[21:12] <EriC^^> elioporco: ok, type "ls -l /media/ubuntu-studio/F2468D33468CF99D" see if there's any sensitive data or not
[21:12] <EriC^^> if it's all good, do "ls -l /media/ubuntu-studio/F2468D33468CF99D | pasteit" to paste it to termbin
[21:13] <elioporco> yes
[21:13] <elioporco> https://termbin.com/sx4x
[21:15] <EriC^^> elioporco: hmm, apparently both uefi windows and legacy have the file 'bootmgr'
[21:16] <EriC^^> on my uefi windows pc the size is same as yours exactly, but i dunno if that's the same for both uefi and legacy same file
[21:16] <EriC^^> do you have a windows cd? cause if windows is actually installed in uefi mode, you'll need it to reinstall the efi files to the efi partition
[21:17] <EriC^^> or the windows iso, you can put that on a usb easily and use it
[21:18] <elioporco> a fresh install of windows?
[21:18] <elioporco> EriC^^you mean to reinstall windows only in that partition?
[21:18] <EriC^^> no, not a fresh install, in the install usb, you go to repair - advanced > command prompt
[21:19] <EriC^^> from there you mount the efi partition using diskpart and the c:\, and run a command to install the efi files
[21:19] <EriC^^> elioporco: do you at all remember if the partition used to be GPT before? or have a boot-repair log? anything to kind of confirm if windows was installed in legacy or uefi mode
[21:20] <elioporco> EriC^^ ah ok i can try but when i've installed ubuntu i've got many problem to boot it and with the win tool doesn't change the situation
[21:20] <EriC^^> elioporco: cause if it used to be GPT partition, windows for sure was in uefi mode cause it doesn't allow mbr + uefi
[21:21] <elioporco> EriC^^ in fact i've used only ubuntu for months, only today i've got the boot repair and broken the ubuntu also
[21:21] <elioporco> the partition in gparted is the first
[21:22] <elioporco> if i run gparted is the ntfs 500Mb and was it
[21:22] <elioporco> the first, then i've partitioned manually to boot a ubuntu
[21:22] <elioporco> splitting the ntfs partition
[21:23] <elioporco> and installing with many grub error
[21:23] <elioporco> grub wasn't able to install many times
[21:23] <EriC^^> elioporco: i see
[21:23] <elioporco> and i don't remember what i did to boot ubuntu
[21:24] <EriC^^> elioporco: so you're saying it used to be 500mb ntfs first partition, not 500mb fat32
[21:24] <elioporco> sorry fat32
[21:24] <elioporco> sorry
[21:24] <EriC^^> it used to be 500mb fat32 before you installed ubuntu even? you are certain?
[21:24] <elioporco> yes
[21:25] <EriC^^> ok, then windows must have been in uefi mode, there was just that partition yeah?
[21:25] <elioporco> i've thinked a lot to install grub2
[21:25] <EriC^^> 500mb then the ntfs one(the big one)
[21:25] <elioporco> but i've formatted this fat32 partition, but i've changed the flag many times
[21:25] <jjbuggle> new disk.  What kind of partition table do I want?  msdos?
[21:26] <elioporco> yes at first the 500Mb fat32 and 900Mb ntfs
[21:26] <tomreyn> jjbuggle: probably gpt
[21:26] <elioporco> i've splitted the ntfs and installed ubuntu
[21:26] <EriC^^> elioporco: i see
[21:26] <EriC^^> elioporco: ok, let's try to convert back to gpt then
[21:27] <jjbuggle> tomreyn: ok, thanks, ill check it out
[21:27] <EriC^^> elioporco: so you do have a windows iso you can put on a usb?
[21:28] <elioporco> EriC^^ ok this partition was changed only on the flag and i not formatted yet from the origin
[21:28] <elioporco> EriC^^ from gparted now is on ESP flag
[21:28] <EriC^^> elioporco: it seems like it got formatted somehow, maybe ubuntu formatted it? because no windows files exist in it anymore
[21:29] <EriC^^> it should have microsoft/boot/bootmgfw.efi to be able to boot windows
[21:29] <elioporco> oook
[21:29] <EriC^^> elioporco: can you type "sudo dd if=/dev/sda bs=512 count=1 | hexdump -C | pasteit" ?
[21:30] <EriC^^> i wonder what the current mbr looks like, might give us some more insight
[21:31] <elioporco> 1+0 records in1+0 records out512 bytes copied, 3.0872e-05 s, 16.6 MB/spasteit: command not found
[21:31] <EriC^^> elioporco: try first "alias pasteit='nc 5.39.93.71 9999'"
[21:32] <elioporco> yes
[21:32] <ESphynx> ktosiek: it was a bit of work, but I managed to build binaries from my rolling system that runs outtadabox on the LTS :P
[21:32] <elioporco> https://termbin.com/zr32
[21:34] <EriC^^> elioporco: do you have a windows iso you can use to restore the efi partition?
[21:35] <EriC^^> elioporco: our other option would be to try to install the legacy version of grub, and boot ubuntu in legacy mode and try to manually boot windows from grub, to see if it used to actually be legacy, but til now if you said the 500mb always used to be fat32, then windows was probably in uefi mode
[21:36] <elioporco> probably i have it
[21:36] <EriC^^> elioporco: btw, what does "sudo gdisk -l /dev/sda | pasteit" give?
[21:36] <elioporco> EriC^^ but i've to prepare the usb stick
[21:36] <EriC^^> i forgot, it should mention if it finds gpt data i think
[21:36] <elioporco> https://termbin.com/r5tv
[21:38] <elioporco> i've found that i can convert the mbr to gpt with gdisk
[21:39] <EriC^^> elioporco: yeah, first unmount all sda partitions
[21:40] <EriC^^> elioporco: sudo umount /dev/sda*
[21:40] <elioporco> YES
[21:43] <EriC^^> elioporco: ok, is "mount | grep sda" clean ?
[21:43] <elioporco> yes
[21:43] <elioporco> absolutely
[21:44] <EriC^^> elioporco: is the usb you brought mounted at /media/ubuntu-studio/EStudio ?
[21:45] <EriC^^> the one for the mbr backup
[21:45] <elioporco> yes
[21:45] <elioporco> it is mounted
[21:45] <EriC^^> elioporco: ok, great, type "sudo dd if=/dev/sda bs=9K count=1 of=/media/ubuntu-studio/EStudio/mymbr.backup"
[21:46] <EriC^^> that should backup the mbr and any gpt partition table after it too
[21:46] <elioporco> copied
[21:46] <EriC^^> elioporco: ok, convert the table to gpt
[21:47] <elioporco> @eri
[21:47] <EriC^^> all good?
[21:47] <elioporco> EriC^^ sudo gdisk  /dev/sdado you like it?
[21:48] <elioporco> sudo gdisk  /dev/sda
[21:48] <EriC^^> yes elioporco
[21:50] <EriC^^> elioporco: after it loads up, press 'w' to write it
[21:50] <elioporco> EriC^^ command? "t	change a partition's type code" or "w	write table to disk and exit
[21:50] <EriC^^> elioporco: yup 'w'
[21:51] <elioporco> ooook
[21:51] <elioporco> The new table will be used at the next reboot or after yourun partprobe(8) or kpartx(8)The operation has completed successfully.
[21:51] <elioporco> seems ok
[21:52] <elioporco> EriC^^ i've to reboot or i launch a big boot repair to install grub?
[21:52] <EriC^^> elioporco: never use boot-repair again elioporco, it's an evil program :D
[21:52] <EriC^^> elioporco: try 'sudo partprobe /dev/sda'
[21:55] <elioporco> now i know the evil that boot repair do
[21:56] <EriC^^> hehe
[21:58] <EriC^^> elioporco: did you run the partprobe command?
[21:58] <elioporco> EriC^^ yes
[21:58] <elioporco> you are a linux beast
[21:59] <EriC^^> elioporco: not really :P i know my uefi though!
[21:59] <EriC^^> elioporco: try now 'sudo gdisk -l /dev/sda | pasteit' to see how it looks
[22:00] <elioporco> EriC^^ hahahah make it sense
[22:00] <elioporco> https://termbin.com/y1bpo
[22:01] <EriC^^> ok the partition table looks great now
[22:01] <EriC^^> elioporco: ok, let's reinstall grub quickly then after ubuntu boots moves on to the windows efi
[22:01] <EriC^^> elioporco: type 'sudo mount /dev/sda6 /mnt'
[22:02] <elioporco> ok
[22:02] <EriC^^> then type 'sudo cat /mnt/etc/fstab | pasteit'
[22:02] <elioporco> grub-install?
[22:02] <EriC^^> not yet
[22:03] <elioporco> https://termbin.com/ns5z
[22:03] <EriC^^> elioporco: type 'sudo blkid /dev/sda1 | pasteit'
[22:04] <elioporco> https://termbin.com/gnf0
[22:05] <EriC^^> elioporco: ok, type 'sudo nano /mnt/etc/fstab'
[22:05] <EriC^^> then go to the line that says #UUID=EFEB-2451  /boot/efi   and remove the "#" at the start of the line
[22:05] <EriC^^> (it's currently commented out with the #)
[22:07] <elioporco> yes
[22:07] <EriC^^> elioporco: press ctrl+x to save and exit
[22:07] <EriC^^> then 'cat /mnt/etc/fstab | pasteit' to confirm
[22:07] <elioporco> https://termbin.com/fj8y
[22:08] <EriC^^> looks good
[22:08] <EriC^^> elioporco: type 'ls /mnt/boot/efi' to confirm the mountpoint exists
[22:08] <EriC^^> if it says no such dir then its bad
[22:08] <elioporco> EriC^^ no good
[22:09] <elioporco> ls /mnt/boot/efi say nothing
[22:09] <EriC^^> that's good,no error then
[22:09] <EriC^^> elioporco: ok, type the following line
[22:10] <EriC^^> for i in /dev /proc /sys /run; do sudo mount -R $i /mnt$i; done
[22:11] <elioporco> ok
[22:11] <EriC^^> elioporco: ok, all good? no errors etc
[22:11] <elioporco> yes
[22:11] <elioporco> all good
[22:11] <EriC^^> cool
[22:11] <EriC^^> elioporco: type 'sudo chroot /mnt'
[22:11] <elioporco> ok
[22:12] <elioporco> "#"
[22:13] <EriC^^> elioporco: now type 'dpkg -l | grep grub | nc 5.39.93.71 9999'
[22:13] <EriC^^> elioporco: also try 'ls /sys/firmware/efi' to see if it says no dir found or gives something, just to know if the live usb is booted in uefi mode or not
[22:13] <elioporco> https://termbin.com/lg8t
[22:14] <EriC^^> no need to say what it gives, just that there's stuff
[22:14] <elioporco> it give me something
[22:14] <EriC^^> ok great
[22:14] <elioporco> fw
[22:14] <elioporco> runtime
[22:14] <elioporco> efivars
[22:15] <EriC^^> elioporco: ok, type 'apt-get purge grub-pc grub-efi-amd64+ grub-efi-amd64-signed+ grub2-common+'
[22:15] <EriC^^> elioporco: notice the other grub-efi.. etc have a "+" at the end whereas grub-pc doesnt
[22:15] <Jordan_U> EriC^^: elioporco: Have you actually mounted the ESP to /boot/efi/ yet?
[22:15] <EriC^^> Jordan_U: ah good catch
[22:15] <EriC^^> elioporco: hold that thought
[22:16] <EriC^^> elioporco: type 'mount /boot/efi'
[22:17] <elioporco> on apt-get purge
[22:17] <EriC^^> yeah?
[22:17] <elioporco> there is a problem "Errors were encountered while processing: plymouth-theme-ubuntustudioProcessing was halted because there were too many errors.W: Can not find PkgVer for 'grub-pc'E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)"
[22:17] <EriC^^> elioporco: ok, no worries, we'll get to it
[22:18] <EriC^^> elioporco: type first 'mount /boot/efi'
[22:18] <EriC^^> it should give a clean prompt back, no errors
[22:18] <elioporco> ye
[22:19] <elioporco> it'ok
[22:20] <EriC^^> elioporco: try apt-get install --reinstall grub-efi-amd64-signed grub-efi-amd64 grub2-common
[22:20] <elioporco> Processing was halted because there were too many errors.
[22:21] <EriC^^> elioporco: how's the dns looking right now? try 'ping -c1 google.com'
[22:22] <elioporco> mmm
[22:22] <elioporco> 1 failure
[22:22] <elioporco> 1 ok
[22:22] <elioporco> Temporary failure
[22:24] <EriC^^> elioporco: ok, try 'apt-get -f install | nc 5.39.93.71 9999'
[22:24] <EriC^^> to see what the errors are
[22:26] <elioporco> no i'ts ok
[22:26] <elioporco> on 15 ping
[22:26] <elioporco> no failure
[22:27] <EriC^^> did it return a link back?
[22:27] <elioporco> 1 packets transmitted, 1 received, 0% packet loss, time 0ms
[22:27] <EriC^^> ah ok nice
[22:27] <EriC^^> try then, "apt-get update"
[22:28] <elioporco> ok done
[22:31] <EriC^^> elioporco: ok, try 'apt-get -f install | nc 5.39.93.71 9999'
[22:32] <elioporco> https://termbin.com/kgvw
[22:33] <glestrade> hello again, do any of you have experience with the /etc/network/interfaces file
[22:34] <EriC^^> elioporco: try pressing 'y' for now
[22:34] <elioporco> E: Write error - write (32: Broken pipe)E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[22:34] <glestrade> I found the following to help me setup wireless lan manually
[22:34] <glestrade> https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/48431/connect-to-hidden-wifi-ap-with-wpa-supplicant
[22:34] <EriC^^> elioporco: try again, apt-get -f install
[22:34] <EriC^^> then press y
[22:34] <elioporco> yes
[22:34] <glestrade> Are those lines all it should take? I think the driver’s not working
[22:34] <elioporco> no good
[22:35] <elioporco> E: Write error - write (32: Broken pipe)E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[22:35] <elioporco> Processing was halted because there were too many errors.E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[22:35] <elioporco> Processing was halted because there were too many errors.E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[22:35] <jjbuggle> can you paste all the errors elioporco?
[22:35] <elioporco> dpkg: too many errors, stoppingErrors were encountered while processing: plymouth-theme-ubuntustudio
[22:35] <jjbuggle> like in pastebin?
[22:36] <elioporco> sorry
[22:36] <EriC^^> elioporco: try 'apt-get -y -f install |& nc termbin.com 9999'
[22:36] <elioporco> https://termbin.com/5k3n
[22:36] <elioporco> yes
[22:37] <jjbuggle> do you have grub?
[22:38] <jjbuggle> elioporco: do you use grub?
[22:38] <elioporco> i think not anymore, i'm reinstalling it
[22:38] <jjbuggle> elioporco: why don't you have grub?
[22:38] <jjbuggle> elioporco: it is failing because I think the devs assumed you would have grub
[22:39] <EriC^^> elioporco: ok, try apt-get install --reinstall plymouth-theme-ubuntustudio grub-efi-amd64 grub-efi-amd64-signed grub2-common
[22:39] <oerheks> jjbuggle, EriC^^ is onto it
[22:40] <Aavar_> How can I show what is using my external haddrive?
[22:40] <EriC^^> Aavar_: iotop maybe
[22:40] <elioporco> EriC^^ no error reported
[22:40] <oerheks> Aavar_, "what is using" , can you explain?
[22:41] <oerheks> i would say; you are :-D
[22:41] <EriC^^> elioporco: great, ok, what does the uefi list look like i wonder, try 'efibootmgr -v | nc termbin.com 9999'
[22:41] <EriC^^> elioporco: also, which laptop/pc model is this?
[22:41] <elioporco> EriC^^ https://termbin.com/kh4f
[22:43] <EriC^^> elioporco: looks good, how about 'mokutil --sb-state' ?
[22:43] <Aavar_> oerheks: I mean what process is accessing the drive. It is chattering but I don't know why and it worries me...
[22:44] <elioporco> sec boot disabled
[22:44] <elioporco> ok
[22:44] <EriC^^> elioporco: great, ok, type "exit"
[22:44] <oerheks> Aavar_, go for iotop, https://askubuntu.com/questions/276669/how-to-monitor-disk-activity
[22:45] <EriC^^> elioporco: then try rebooting, in the BIOS make sure uefi mode is enabled, or csm legacy is disabled
[22:45] <elioporco> ok csm now is auto
[22:45] <elioporco> uefi on other os
[22:45] <Aavar_> EriC^^ oerheks: tnx, I'll try that... Looks like the drive stopped, but I'll keep it in mind :)
[22:45] <EriC^^> try to put it on csm disabled
[22:45] <elioporco> secureboot disabled
[22:45] <elioporco> ok
[22:46] <EriC^^> elioporco: alright, give it a go see what happens
[22:46] <oerheks> Aavar_, it all depends what actions you did on that drive
[22:46] <elioporco> EriC^^  we'll see from the other side
[22:46] <EriC^^> :D
[22:57] <EriC^^> elioporco: any luck?
[22:57] <elioporco> hey
[22:57] <elioporco> no good
[22:57] <EriC^^> elioporco: which pc model is this?
[22:57] <elioporco> only a minimal bash of grub2
[22:58] <EriC^^> elioporco: oh you got a grub?
[22:58] <elioporco> mother asus, i7, 16Gb ram
[22:58] <EriC^^> elioporco: was it grub or grub rescue> ?
[22:58] <elioporco> only grub
[22:59] <EriC^^> elioporco: ok good
[22:59] <EriC^^> elioporco: csm legacy set to disabled right?
[22:59] <elioporco> yes
[23:00] <EriC^^> elioporco: ok, type 'sudo mount /dev/sda6 /mnt'
[23:00] <elioporco> in the uefibios was a ubuntu boot ride
[23:00] <EriC^^> elioporco: then 'cat /mnt/boot/grub/grub.cfg | nc 5.39.93.71 9999'
[23:01] <elioporco> no such a file
[23:01] <EriC^^> elioporco: a grub> is good, it means it was able to load the efi file fine, the grub.cfg might be missing though so no pretty menu
[23:01] <EriC^^> elioporco: ok, type again the following line
[23:01] <EriC^^> for i in /dev /proc /sys /run; do sudo mount -R $i /mnt$i; done
[23:02] <elioporco> ok
[23:02] <EriC^^> elioporco: then sudo chroot /mnt
[23:02] <elioporco> y
[23:03] <EriC^^> elioporco: then "update-grub"
[23:04] <elioporco> Syntax errors are detected in generated GRUB config file.
[23:05] <elioporco> EriC^^ no good
[23:07] <EriC^^> 1 sec
[23:07] <EriC^^> elioporco: try 'tail -v -n+1 /etc/grub.d/* | nc termbin.com 9999'
[23:08] <EriC^^> elioporco: also 'cat /etc/default/grub | nc termbin.com 9999'
[23:08] <elioporco> No such file or directory
[23:09] <elioporco> https://termbin.com/gt75
[23:10] <elioporco> EriC^^ the first one say ail: cannot open '/etc/grub.d/*' for reading: No such file or directory
[23:10] <TJ-> EriC^^: elioporco  are you actually in the chroot ?
[23:11] <elioporco> EriC^^ y
[23:11] <EriC^^> elioporco: type 'dpkg -l | grep grub | nc termbin.com 9999'
[23:12] <EriC^^> elioporco: we're like a command away basically hold tight
[23:12] <elioporco> https://termbin.com/ca43b
[23:12] <EriC^^> elioporco: try 'apt-get purge grub-pc'
[23:14] <elioporco> EriC^^ Do you want to have all GRUB 2 files removed from /boot/grub?
[23:15] <EriC^^> elioporco: sure why not
[23:15] <elioporco> and we use grub
[23:15] <elioporco> ok
[23:16] <EriC^^> yeah
[23:16] <EriC^^> elioporco: how's "dpkg -l | grep grub | nc termbin.com 9999" looking now?
[23:17] <elioporco> https://termbin.com/xdgoo
[23:17] <elioporco> like before
[23:17] <EriC^^> elioporco: nope, grub-pc is gone finally
[23:18] <EriC^^> elioporco: ok, type 'apt-get install --reinstall grub-common grub2-common grub-efi-amd64-signed grub-efi-amd64-bin'
[23:18] <EriC^^> elioporco: ok, type 'apt-get install --reinstall grub-common grub2-common grub-efi-amd64-signed grub-efi-amd64-bin grub-efi-amd64'
[23:19] <elioporco> ok
[23:19] <EriC^^> if it says any errors let me know
[23:20] <elioporco> EriC^^ seems ok
[23:20] <EriC^^> elioporco: nice, try 'cat /boot/grub/grub.cfg | nc termbin.com 9999'
[23:20] <pyzozord> hey guys my super key doesnt work. I have logitech G710+.
[23:20] <elioporco> EriC^^No such file or directory
[23:20] <EriC^^> elioporco: ok, try 'apt-get install --reinstall grub-common'
[23:21] <pyzozord> xev doesn't respond when I press the super key
[23:21] <elioporco> ok
[23:21] <EriC^^> elioporco: then try 'update-grub' again
[23:22] <elioporco> EriC^^nope
[23:23] <EriC^^> elioporco: hmm, what does 'ls /etc/grub.d | nc termbin.com 9999' give?
[23:23] <EriC^^> the grub-common package is supposed to have those grub.d files
[23:23] <EriC^^> (which update-grub uses along with /etc/default/grub)
[23:24] <elioporco> EriC^^ https://termbin.com/gt75    https://pastebin.com/yyKGmKqE
[23:25] <EriC^^> elioporco: what's the output of "ls -l /etc/grub.d | nc termbin.com 9999" ?
[23:26] <elioporco> EriC^^https://termbin.com/4pdw8
[23:26] <elioporco> 0
[23:27] <elioporco> caput
[23:27] <EriC^^> elioporco: so weird
[23:28] <Jordan_U> EriC^^: It may be because of how debian handles files in /etc/, trying to preserve user edits. I'm veguely remembering some dpkg stuff with --confmiss, which I'm looking more into now.
[23:28] <EriC^^> elioporco: what about 'dpkg -L grub-common | nc termbin.com 9999'
[23:28] <elioporco> EriC^^https://termbin.com/7lvy
[23:28] <EriC^^> Jordan_U: but why are there no /etc/grub.d files? we reinstalled grub-common which supposedly installs those there
[23:29] <TJ-> --force-confnew
[23:30] <EriC^^> what's the full dpkg command for that?
[23:31] <EriC^^> do we have to point it to /var/cache/apt/grub-common.....deb ?
[23:31] <Jordan_U> TJ-: Does this seem reasonable?: sudo apt install --reinstall -o Dpkg::Options::="--force-confask,confnew,confmiss" grub-common
[23:31] <TJ-> EriC^^: you can set an apt option on the command line
[23:31] <TJ-> Jordan_U: nailed it
[23:31] <Jordan_U> TJ-: From https://askubuntu.com/questions/66533/how-can-i-restore-configuration-files
[23:31] <TJ-> Jordan_U: saved me some typing :D
[23:32] <Jordan_U> elioporco: sudo apt install --reinstall -o Dpkg::Options::="--force-confask,confnew,confmiss" grub-common
[23:32] <elioporco> EriC^^ done
[23:33] <elioporco> no error
[23:33] <EriC^^> elioporco: ok, type 'update-grub'
[23:33] <pyzozord> hey, sorry to bother you, would someone mind helping me with the super key problem? I checked in xev, it doesnt respond. I also checked in dmesg -w and there is no reaction
[23:33] <Jordan_U> pyzozord: How have you ruled out a broken keyboard?
[23:34] <elioporco> EriC^^done but no win
[23:35] <elioporco> found only linux image
[23:35] <TJ-> elioporco: in which case "update-initramfs"
[23:35] <pyzozord> Jordan_U: any ideas on how to check that?
[23:36] <Jordan_U> pyzozord: Another OS? Test with it connected to another computer? LiveUSB?
[23:36] <TJ-> pyzozord: are you able to test the keyboard on another PC or OS?
[23:36] <elioporco> yes
[23:36] <EriC^^> elioporco: it wont find windows yet, you need to use the windows iso/usb to reinstall the efi files, then ubuntu will pick it up
[23:37] <EriC^^> elioporco: it should boot ubuntu now though, give it a go, it's getting late here, so hopefully we can continue later if you want getting windows booting back
[23:37] <EriC^^> elioporco: in any case, type 'exit' then reboot and see what happens, if ubuntu boots
[23:38] <elioporco> EriC^^ ok tnks i'ts a great thing! thanks for the time, king regards
[23:38] <elioporco> EriC^^see you
[23:38] <EriC^^> no problem, im not leaving just yet though
[23:38] <pyzozord> TJ-: I have ubuntu and mac os, in both cases the super key wasn't working. Before I thought it was just osx being osx. Now I thought it's something with the drivers
[23:39] <TJ-> pyzozord: remind us of the model of the keyboard
[23:39] <pyzozord> TJ-: Logitech G710+
[23:46] <TJ-> pyzozord: silly question but is it programmable, and is it possible you've somehow reprogrammed it to cause this?
[23:48] <pyzozord> TJ-: It has 6 extra G keys and 3 extra M keys. I haven't done anything with it at all. I installed ubunty two hours ago
[23:48] <TJ-> pyzozord: is it the Windows key that is non functional?
[23:49] <pyzozord> TJ-: aaah you are a genius!
[23:49] <TJ-> pyzozord: and I bet the content menu key on the right side of the space bar is also disabled
[23:49] <pyzozord> there is a wierd little button looking like a joystick!
[23:49] <TJ-> pyzozord: you've got the keyboard in GAME mode
[23:50] <TJ-> which disables those two keys
[23:50] <TJ-> pyzozord: so the Game mode LED was lit?
[23:50] <pyzozord> I noticed there is a diod with the same icon light up. I pressed that button. Light turned off. And now my super key works normal
[23:50] <pyzozord> wtf is a game mode?
[23:50] <TJ-> pyzozord: Always helps to read the manual ; page 5 of https://www.logitech.com/assets/46072/2/g710-mechanical-gaming-keyboard-setup-guide.pdf
[23:50] <pyzozord> I got this keyboard from a friend for free. Never had a keyboard like this before. I got it only because I wanted to try out mechanical switches.
[23:51] <pyzozord> TJ-: Indeed. My fault. Thank you so much for help!
[23:51] <TJ-> pyzozord: For Windows it prevents accidentally bringing up the start menu or
[23:51] <pyzozord> So it's literally the block-super-key mode
[23:51] <pyzozord> that would explain a lot
[23:52] <pyzozord> thank you so much. I can't believe it was so simple. I was fighting with this problems for days! It's one of the main reasons I bought this laptop.
[23:53] <TJ-> pyzozord: :D
[23:54] <pyzozord> TJ-: thanks again!
[23:55] <TJ-> We love the easy ones!