[03:25] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[07:57] <nonix4> Any suggestions for GPUs to use with 20.04? Heard some rumors that current-gen AMD gpus (Navi) won't have proper support unless parts of 5.5 get backported in time...? As in if I'm fed up with nvidia flavored bugs and don't have igpu, are there options beyond 1: buy used hw, 2: wait until 20.04.2 hwe?
[07:59] <lotuspsychje> nonix4: the best what you can do in thise stage is help the community with your specific hardware
[08:00] <lotuspsychje> nonix4: fire up a daily, and file a !bug if one arises, so the devs can implement before final release
[08:00] <lotuspsychje> or did you have an existing bug ID yet about this?
[11:19] <lotuspsychje> mauz555: LTS upgrade from 18.04 is not yet adviced in this stage
[11:20] <mauz555> hello  I upgraded from ubuntu 18 to 20 now my system wont boot properly -- im stuck on ubuntu loading screen cannot access to login screen
[11:20] <lotuspsychje> mauz555: the LTS way is upgrading from 18.04 to 20.04.1 around august
[11:21] <mauz555> lotuspsychje: ok my bad
[11:21] <lotuspsychje> mauz555: if you like to help testing 20.04 its adviced to install a daily iso from the topic
[11:23] <mauz555> should I reinstall 18.04LTS or 19.10 ? what will make it easier to upgrade to 20 in august ?
[11:24] <lotuspsychje> mauz555: depends what you want exactly
[11:24] <lotuspsychje> mauz555: do you want your system to be stable and LTS? or will you be help testing?
[11:24] <mauz555> I need stability now :)
[11:24] <lotuspsychje> mauz555: then its adviced to clean install 18.04 again
[11:25] <lotuspsychje> 20.04 is still in development, beta & final in april, and LTS upgrade in august
[11:27] <tomreyn> nonix4: i'm not sure about 20.04, but on 18.04 with HWE navis should work. you may need to place updated firmware in /lib/firmware
[11:28] <tomreyn> (18.04 support would be in #ubuntu)
[14:09] <slingamn> i'm trying to install the focal server nightly but the graphics are all messed up, is there a kernel command line option to get some sort of fallback or safe mode?
[14:48] <tomreyn> try "text". which graphics chipset do you have there, which hardware?
[14:50] <tomreyn> slingamn: also remove "quiet" and "splash" if those are present
[15:04] <slingamn> thanks --- it's this: https://everymac.com/systems/apple/macbook/specs/macbook-core-2-duo-2.4-black-13-early-2008-penryn-specs.html
[15:04] <slingamn> so i think that's the i915 driver
[15:07] <slingamn> hmm, i tried text and removing quiet and it's still unreadable, there's a bit of purple at the very top of the screen then it turns into noise
[15:09] <slingamn> grub is totally fine, which is interesting
[15:11] <slingamn> i saw a mention of `vga=normal nomodeset`, unfortunately that didn't work either
[15:12] <tomreyn> slingamn: try removing "quiet" and "splash" and add "mitigations=off"
[15:14] <slingamn> splash isn't on the command line by default, removing 'quiet' and adding 'mitigations=off' doesn't seem to change things
[15:18] <tomreyn> slingamn: i think you can choose from two different kernel versions during boot, right? if so, try the other one
[15:20] <slingamn> i see /install/vmlinuz in grub...any idea what the other one's called?
[15:20] <tomreyn> oh you don't have a grub menu then?
[15:20] <slingamn> i do
[15:21] <slingamn> the options are: "install", "oem install", "check disk for defects", "rescue a broken system", "boot from next volume", "uefi firmware settings"
[15:22] <tomreyn> so no "advanced" submenu, no "failsafe graphics", no "HWE/LTSE" options, i guess
[15:22] <tomreyn> i'm afraid that's all i could think of right now.
[15:22] <slingamn> ah yeah i don't see an advanced
[15:22] <slingamn> hmm
[15:22] <TJ-> slingamn: the issue is that the graphical mode grub is putting the GPU into is causing Linux problems. at the GRUB menu tap 'c' to go to command mode and enter "set linux_gfx_mode=text" then Esc (i think) should return you to the menu ... if you're lucky that might allow you to boot it in text mode 
[15:23] <slingamn> interesting
[15:23] <TJ-> slingamn: I may be wrong about the Esc key though... long time since I did that (return to menu from command shell!)
[15:23] <slingamn> esc worked --- does that translate into a kernel command line option?
[15:24] <tomreyn> "set linux_gfx_mode=text" is a grub command, just like the "linux" is one, but a different one.
[15:24] <TJ-> slingamn: no it causes GRUB to set the mode before handing over to Linux
[15:24] <slingamn> oh, interesting
[15:24] <slingamn> but linux will just reset it presumably?
[15:25] <TJ-> slingamn: it does  "gfxmode $linux_gfx_mode" in the menuentry
[15:25] <slingamn> (i was able to do those steps but it didn't work)
[15:25] <TJ-> slingamn: OK, after returning to the menu highlight the entry press 'e' to edit it, and on the "linux ..." line add "text" (is that correct tomreyn ? )
[15:26] <slingamn> tried that one already :-\
[15:26] <slingamn> does that normally force the system to boot in console mode?
[15:26] <TJ-> slingamn: you'll need both I think... 1st tell GRUB to switch to text mode, 2nd to tell Linux not to switch out of text mode
[15:26] <slingamn> oh interesting
[15:26] <TJ-> slingamn: this may or may not work but worth a shot!
[15:27] <TJ-> slingamn: i'm not clear if grub 'remembers' the option when you set it in command shell and then exit back to the menu... that's the crux of this
[15:27] <slingamn> oh so i could add it to the commands in the edit pane
[15:28] <TJ-> slingamn: oh yes, of course, silly me! duh
[15:28] <TJ-> slingamn: all you'd need is "gfxmode text" just before the "linux ..." line
[15:28] <slingamn> are you sure just plain 'text' is the name of the kernel commandline option? i can't find that documented anywhere
[15:29] <slingamn> oh there's a 'set gfxpayload=keep' in the default menu
[15:29] <TJ-> slingamn: right which means 'keep' the graphical mode GRUB started in
[15:29] <TJ-> slingamn: so you need to force 'text' mode before linux is loaded
[15:31] <slingamn> cool, i'm trying: set gfxmode=text, set gfxpayload=keep
[15:31] <slingamn> and then s/quiet/text/ on the kernel command line
[15:32] <slingamn> hmm if i were to install 18.04 or 19.10 server, would i be able to upgrade to 20.04 in place?
[15:34] <TJ-> slingamn: you could use the original text-mode installer that uses debian-installer not this ridiculous subiquity graphical monstrosity
[15:35] <slingamn> that's a possibility with 20.04? i thought it was discontinued in 20.04
[15:36] <TJ-> slingamn: this: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/daily/current/ I think (hope) is the debian-installer one (the other is daily-live)
[15:37] <slingamn> oh neat
[15:40] <slingamn> oh hmm, i got excited because the sha256sum was different, but it looks like the one i used before was just the march 28th nightly
[15:41] <slingamn> and this is the 29th
[15:41] <slingamn> so i'll try it but i'm not really expecting different results
[15:48] <slingamn> yeah, same stuff
[16:21] <tomreyn> TJ-: i'm slightly late ;) but yes, that sounds correct.
[16:22] <tomreyn> slingamn: when you said "esc worked", what were you seeing before you pressed escape, and what afterwards?
[16:24] <tomreyn> slingamn: sorry, ignore this question, the later chat already explained it.
[16:29] <tomreyn> i would also assume that http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/daily/current/focal-server-amd64.iso (779MB) is debian-installer (which you could try) and http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/daily-live/current/focal-live-server-amd64.iso (911M) is subiquity (the 'new' default installer you have supposedly tried so far). both were built on march 29, 2020.
[16:34] <slingamn> ah, i've been trying the ones named focal-server-amd64.iso
[16:34] <slingamn> i'll try the one with live in the name next
[16:35] <slingamn> also going to try the desktop image because lol why not
[16:35] <lotuspsychje> the new server installer is worked on for revamp
[16:36] <lotuspsychje> not tested myself though
[16:37] <tomreyn> hmm maybe the (supposedly debian-installer based) images such as "focal-server-amd64.iso" are simply unmaintained / broken now.
[16:37] <slingamn> oh i would believe that
[16:37] <slingamn> i heard rumors of this
[16:37] <slingamn> https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Ubuntu-20.04-Server-Install
[16:37] <tomreyn> we should have asked you "did you try the proper image" initially ;)
[16:38] <slingamn> heh
[16:38] <slingamn> if those other images really are desupported, they are unfortunately quite prominent / easy to google
[16:38] <lotuspsychje> can you check this tomreyn does this look new? https://linuxconfig.org/ubuntu-20-04-server-installation
[16:40] <tomreyn> this article points to https://linuxconfig.org/ubuntu-20-04-download for downloads which in turn points to URLs which contain the word "live" in the .iso file name. so this should be the 'proper/new' subiquity installer.
[16:41] <lotuspsychje> tnx
[16:42] <tomreyn> those screenshots also show subiquity
[16:46] <slingamn> destop image booted up fine lol
[16:46] <slingamn> *desktop
[16:57] <slingamn> cool yeah the live server got me all the way to the integrity check
[16:57] <slingamn> *live server image
[18:52] <slingamn> heh, i wasn't paying attention and i let the autopartitioner make me a / that's only 4 GB, out of a 2 TB drive
[18:52] <slingamn> is that normal/expected?
[19:00] <TJ-> slingamn: not sure but I'd always use LVM on something that big
[19:00] <TJ-> slingamn: then you can easily do "lvextend -L +4G --resizefs VG/LV"
[19:00] <slingamn> ah cool
[19:04] <TJ-> slingamn: I never allocate all space initially, then there's room for snapshots, extending LVs as needed, experimental LVs, LVs for VMs and on and on :)
[19:37] <slingamn> any way to change the disk encryption cipher at install time?
[19:41] <mason> slingamn: Worst case, do a debootstrap install and you can tune it endlessly. Aside from that, knobs to do that don't immediately jump to mind.
[19:44] <slingamn> interesting
[19:45] <slingamn> i'm not sure how to set up /boot/efi and /boot correctly in that context
[19:45] <mason> slingamn: Hold on and I'll share some notes.
[19:47] <mason> slingamn: This isn't as up-to-date as the Devuan version of the same, and it does ZFS for everything, but this shows how you might set up the ESP, mirrored or otherwise: https://bpaste.net/JNIQ
[19:47] <slingamn> awesome, thanks
[19:47] <mason> slingamn: It's not a bad model for a full debootstrap install anyway. Adapt it to whatever you need.
[20:18] <slingamn> i'm not getting a clear picture from that script of how to set up /boot (as opposed to /boot/efi)
[20:20] <slingamn> actually hmm
[20:20] <slingamn> i wonder if i could simply
[20:20] <slingamn> tarball /boot, /boot/efi, and /etc on my installed system
[20:21] <slingamn> and then boot into a live image (the kind of environment one would use for debootstrap), and recreate the partitions as desired, and replace the files
[20:21] <slingamn> probably have to rebuild the initrd though?
[21:30] <extor> I booted a live CD of Kali Linux, opened a shell and types usbmon but it was not installed! Any other live distros that may have usbmon?
[21:46] <oerheks> extor, check that on distrowatch?
[21:47] <oerheks> this is Focal beta support, not the yellow pages
[21:47] <extor> k
[22:35] <quidnunc> The wiki says beta freeze is April 2 (which is Thurs), but in parenthesis it says (Monday). https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FocalFossa/ReleaseSchedule
[22:35] <quidnunc> Is beta freeze on Monday or Thursday?
[22:36] <quidnunc> I guess this would be better in -devel
[22:37] <oerheks> i hope the timeline and release is still valid.
[22:42] <valorie> imo based on the past it means "after Monday you better have a darn good excuse for any changes -- and after Thursday, 0"
[22:43] <valorie> oh I'm wrong, it's Monday
[22:49] <mason> slingamn: The issue there is that most of those files are associated with packages. Better to rebuild if you're doing a fresh layout.
[22:50] <mason> slingamn: What you do with /boot and /boot/efi depends very much on what you want to do for them, what bootloader you're going to use, etc.