[00:13] <rom--> I can't find Disco Dingo all to download is bionic beaver at Ubuntu.com
[00:13] <TJ-> !disco | rom--
[00:14] <rom--> I thought 18.04 goes after 19.04
[00:15] <Eickmeyer> !yy.mm
[00:15] <oerheks> 9 months support
[00:15] <TJ-> otherwise known as 9 months of bug fixing :)
[00:17] <rom--> KK ty
[00:18] <joebobjoe> hi, does multipass support ubuntu 20.04 yet?
[00:38] <Strangel> Hi guys! Anyone here have any experience installing ubuntu/Lubuntu on Lenovo Ideapad 100S-14IBR?
[00:42] <Bashing-om> Strangel: Seen: https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Ubuntu/Successfully-installing-LUBUNTU-18-4-on-LENOVO-IDEAPAD-100s-11IBY/m-p/4339222 ?
[00:42] <oerheks> 3 githubs with tips
[00:42] <Strangel> Great :) xcept that i have a 14IBR and not a 11IBY  (i think the 32/64 bit is the difference)
[00:44] <Strangel> mine is 64bit architech but maybe 32b UEFI (i don't know...how can i find out?)
[00:44] <oerheks> check if you have 32 bit uefi ..
[00:44] <oerheks> did it come with 32 bit windows?
[00:45] <TJ-> Strangel: I'm here but working on other things
[00:51] <Strangel> is it important which partition scheme i choose when making install media? MBR or GUID?
[00:53] <Strangel> sorry, i meant MBR or GPT
[00:55] <Strangel> oerheks: I have win10 64bit on it atm, running great
[01:14] <nshireTimeout> will I be able to seamlessly upgrade to 20.04 LTS when it comes out if I install a daily build right now?
[01:14] <nshireTimeout> my 18.04 install spontaneously broke itself and I don't want to deal with rebuilding the ramdisk
[01:14] <shibboleth> why would you want to use the 20.04 installer?
[01:16] <shibboleth> nshireTimeout, rebuilding the ramdisk? you mean the initramfs?
[01:16] <nshireTimeout> yeah
[01:17] <shibboleth> well, if you were not enthused by the recovery options provided by twenty years of sensibly expanding on the debian installer, then...
[01:17] <shibboleth> you're gonna love the new ubuntu installer. it has two buttons and they got it at toys'r'us
[01:17] <nshireTimeout> no matter what I've done through GRUB, nothing has worked
[01:17] <nshireTimeout> no matter what options I pass or remove
[01:18] <nshireTimeout> recovery kernel is also broken
[01:18] <shibboleth> then you boot the 1804 iso, mount the broken root, bindmount /proc/, /sys, /dev, /dev/pts and generate a new initramfs
[01:19] <shibboleth> the server iso
[01:19] <shibboleth> not that... new thing we are somehow expected to not hate
[01:20] <MWM> Do changes made inside the Live ISO persist after installation?
[01:21] <nshireTimeout> no
[01:21] <nshireTimeout> shibboleth, do these steps look right? http://impurval.blogspot.com/2016/11/fix-broken-initrdimg-in-linux.html
[01:22] <MWM> Im living inside a liveusb right now until I grab my old files. I though I might start setting up
[01:23] <nshireTimeout> nope, pretty much anything you do on the liveusb never gets saved
[01:23] <shibboleth> nshireTimeout, mostly, but you gotta figure out why your current initramfs is broken
[01:23] <MWM> well that saves me a minute. Ty
[01:24] <nshireTimeout> I can't get it to display anything past "loading initial ramdisk" or whatever it says immediately after it starts to load the kernel
[01:24] <nshireTimeout> like 2 steps after GRUB
[01:24] <shibboleth> so... in your mind: does that explain why this happens or *that* it happens?
[01:25] <nshireTimeout> not exactly. someone suggested it could have been a weird intel microcode issue but I updated to the very latest bios ( through windows) and it does the same thing
[01:25] <shibboleth> either your initramfs is corrupted by happenstance or something is off with the configs included or used to generate it
[01:25] <ericus> So VLC and Ubuntu, is that a joke?
[01:26] <shibboleth> ericus, no. it's just messed up
[01:26] <shibboleth> not funny at all
[01:26] <shibboleth> no need to keep the de-facto media player updated, amirite?
[01:26] <ericus> workaround?
[01:26] <shibboleth> use the ubuntu app store
[01:26] <shibboleth> which totally doesn't phone home and is everything linux is supposed to not be
[01:27] <nshireTimeout> I reset Gnome a few days prior to the issue and had only used sleep mode until just before
[01:27] <shibboleth> either you use their app store and that travesty that is snap or you use outdated software
[01:27] <shibboleth> or you compile it yourself
[01:27] <shibboleth> because "it's universe"
[01:27] <nshireTimeout> but a desktop environment shouldn't completely break booting
[01:27] <shibboleth> meaning "yeah, it's in there but we can't be asked to give a frak"
[01:28] <shibboleth> "community maintained"
[01:28] <shibboleth> you know, as opposed to debian which is *entirely* community-maintained and *does* keep their pakcages updates
[01:28] <shibboleth> *and* don't try to fool you into using a frikkin app store
[01:29] <shibboleth> pakcages updates/packages updated
[01:30] <shibboleth> you could remove "splash quiet vt_handoff" to see where it broks
[01:30] <shibboleth> borks
[01:32] <nshireTimeout> breaks right after it loads the kernel
[01:32] <nshireTimeout> "loading initial ramdisk......"
[01:33] <shibboleth> then regen the initramfa
[01:33] <shibboleth> initramfs
[01:34] <lestac> hello
[01:34] <shibboleth> if that helps you're lucky and this was simply caused by a bork during the generation of the one you're using
[01:35] <shibboleth> if i had to guess i wouldn't bank on this, though
[01:35] <nshireTimeout> liveUSBs boot up fine so idk
[01:36] <shibboleth> ok, i'm gonna say this one last time: complaining about it won't do squat. try regenerating it
[01:37] <GoingViral> shibboleth: if you can get these warnings to work then I need your secret
[01:38] <shibboleth> ?
[01:39] <GoingViral> shibboleth: disregard. My apologies. I skip between ##linux and here and forget where I am sometimes with the commentary
[01:39] <GoingViral> Trying to break that habit
[01:40] <esv> stupid question, I am trying to expand a disk of the bionic qcow2 image released a few days ago on a centos7 kvm server and it is failing, is it due to the age of centos7 ?
[01:41] <esv> about to wipe clean old clunker and install something newer but would like some hints before wiping it clean
[01:42] <shibboleth> my advice: look towards debian
[01:42] <esv> any particular reason?
[01:43] <shibboleth> seen the scrollback?
[01:43] <shibboleth> no, you haven't
[01:43] <shibboleth> misread the nick
[01:44] <esv> last time I was here was about Feb 20th
[01:44] <shibboleth> anyway: ubuntu has now ditched the debian installer (booo) with something they licensed from fischer-price
[01:44] <shibboleth> ubuntu can't keep their apt repos updated
[01:44] <esv> guess the kernel and utilities need a refresh, will look at that one
[01:45] <oerheks> not helpfull, shibboleth
[01:45] <shibboleth> ubuntu is trying to trick you into using their "online services". like an app store as a workaround to them not bothering to keep their apt repos updated
[01:45] <oerheks> stop the rant, thanks.
[01:46] <shibboleth> oerheks, nshireTimeout was asking about the recovery options using the new installer
[01:46] <GoingViral> We all read
[01:46] <nshireTimeout> will it likely be faster to zip up my /home/ directory before I move it to my usb thumb drive? doing it without zipping is going to take quite a while apparently
[01:46] <nshireTimeout> I want to back it up before I do anything
[01:47] <shibboleth> oerheks, how would he chroot mount the broken root and regenerate his initramfs using the new installer?
[01:47] <oerheks> zip it on-the-fly
[01:47] <GoingViral> ^
[01:47] <nshireTimeout> that's what I was thinking
[01:47] <nshireTimeout> seems like this drive doesn't like random iops
[01:47] <oerheks> no no shibboleth , do not try to change your last comments with the support answers before esv
[01:49] <shibboleth> oerheks, well, if you feel like the new installer is so great, mind pointing out how he would go about doing this?
[01:50] <shibboleth> oerheks, also:
 So VLC and Ubuntu, is that a joke?
[01:51] <shibboleth> i'm assuming that he meant how ubuntu sees no problem with serving a vlc version with several vulnerabilities as part of their current stable? and has been for close to nine months?
[01:52] <GoingViral> shibboleth: a suggestion: you may want to specifically address the person to whom your talking, because that was unclear and I believe that confusion may have come from that
[01:52] <GoingViral> Although your comments were still overly-harsh in my opinion
[01:53] <shibboleth> GoingViral, since oerheks began addressing me i've begun each message with his nick
[01:53] <shibboleth> GoingViral, how is that not addressing him?
[01:53] <GoingViral> shibboleth: the comments you made that started the conversation we're in now is what I'm referencing
[01:54] <shibboleth> you began this conversation? anyway, i'll keep it in mind
[01:54] <murderous> Hi all. First time using IRC
[01:55] <oerheks> last fix was put in snapstore yesterday, also 4 beta is available https://snapcraft.io/vlc
[01:55] <GoingViral> shibboleth: specifically your comments about the installer and repos, which is seems now after clarification that you were addressing to nshireTimeout, but there was no indication of that at the time
[01:55] <GoingViral> It seems*
[01:56] <shibboleth> oerheks, yeah, we already went over how cruddy it is to try to trick ppl into using the ubuntu app store as a workaround to ubuntu not bothering to keep what is perhaps *the* most widely used media player updated
[01:57] <oerheks> no answer is best to give to you.
[01:57] <shibboleth> debian even upgraded their stable from 2.* to 3.* since 2 wasn't gonna receive further updates
 not helpfull, shibboleth
[01:58] <GoingViral> oerheks: did you need support? Or are you providing it?
[01:58] <GoingViral> Whoops
[01:58] <shibboleth> oerheks> no answer is best to give to you.
[01:58] <GoingViral> shibboleth: ^
[01:59] <GoingViral> That was meant to be addressed to you, but the intent of this channel is pretty clear, and I'm actually working hard to get used to that. You may want to try the same.
[01:59] <shibboleth> GoingViral, three ppl asked for help, no one responded but i. but since my replies made mention of some poor choices having been made by ubuntu lately oerheks decided to step in and proclaim that i wasn't being helpful
[01:59] <oerheks> you are unfair, stop filling this support channel with those rants.
[02:01] <GoingViral> I will stop this discussion on my end.
[02:01] <aaardvark> I am 100% confused as to the relationship (IF ANY) between limits set in /etc/security/limits.conf and with ulimit - filesize and nproc seem to show up in ulimitt but cpu and core appear not to - what am I missing here? but
[02:02] <NerdyAnarchist> I've been noticing some big time lag in my system, and when I ran 'top' I see that "WebExtensions" is using 55g of virtual memory...I would assume this is at least part of my problem...but how do I do anything about it? (Bionic with FF 74.0 and Tor Browser 9.07)
[02:03] <shibboleth> actually, RAM is meant to be used
[02:03] <shibboleth> there very little point in RAM not spent
[02:04] <NerdyAnarchist> shibboleth: I'm fully aware of the "linux ate my RAM" explanation - this seems a bit beyond that
[02:04] <GoingViral> That is quite the virtual footprint
[02:04] <shibboleth> your question seems to be about how to limit firefox memory usage. mind expanding on what you have loaded in firefox
[02:05] <oerheks> aaardvark, did you edit limits.conf or put a file in /security/limits.d/
[02:05] <shibboleth> sites? which. tabs? how many? extensions, which?
[02:05] <aaardvark> oerheks: I edited /etc/security/limits.conf
[02:05] <GoingViral> NerdyAnarchist: how does top look when you run Firefox with extensions disabled?
[02:05] <GoingViral> (and that is the only instance)
[02:06] <NerdyAnarchist> shibboleth: if anything I'm sure it probably has something to do with some tampermonkey script(s) I use for Amazon Mechanical Turk, but tips on isolating which one would be helpful
[02:06] <shibboleth> NerdyAnarchist, also: in the address bar type: "about:performance"
[02:06] <oerheks> aaardvark, that was the old way, https://askubuntu.com/questions/1049058/how-to-increase-max-open-files-limit-on-ubuntu-18-04
[02:06] <aaardvark> oerheks: ty - let me go and look at that link - this is why I so love this group
[02:08] <GoneViral> NerdyAnarchist: there's also a task manager that encludes extensions
[02:08] <NerdyAnarchist> shibboleth: that may have been just what I needed to look for (about:performance) - let me do some digging with that and see what comes out
[02:08] <GoneViral> NerdyAnarchist: hamburger --> more --> task manager
[02:08] <GoneViral> includes*
[02:08] <shibboleth> NerdyAnarchist, so, "helpful" it is then?
[02:09] <aaardvark> oerheks: I'm missing something here - I do not see anything fundamentally outdated in what I did - and why do some of the limits come accross and not others?
[02:09] <NerdyAnarchist> shibboleth: gets me  pointed in the right direction, so yep!  Thanks
[02:09] <shibboleth> see, oerheks ?
[02:09] <GoneViral> don't gloat
[02:26] <POLK> hi, running 16.04. top reports a process under nobody user name dnsmasq. I've checked no dnsmasq package installed, as well as dnsmasq-base
[02:26] <POLK> What could it be ?!
[02:32] <GoneViral> POLK: you could check /proc/<PID>/ and get a bunch of information. "exe" has a symlink to the actual executable... Also is your nick referencing Polk County, FL by chance?
[02:32] <shibboleth> doesn't libvirt and networkmanager use dnsmasq?
[02:32] <shibboleth> POLK, dpkg -l | grep -i dnsmasq
[02:33] <shibboleth> GoneViral, how many touchdowns did al score?
[02:33] <GoneViral> enough to convince your mother
[02:33] <POLK> GoneViral, no relation to that
[02:34] <GoneViral> POLK: OK, I was just going to say that might be the entire problem. I know that place well lol
[02:34] <egm1991> Okay I read and accept https://ubuntu.com/community/code-of-conduct
[02:35]  * GoneViral gold star
[02:35] <egm1991> Does anyone else do Unreal Engine 4 development on Ubuntu?
[02:35] <pragmaticenigma> !ot | egm1991
[02:35] <egm1991> !whois egm1991
[02:36] <egm1991> @ubottu okay
[02:44] <POLK> GoneViral, dnsmasq process's "exe" points to "/usr/sbin/dnsmasq"
[03:04] <pragmaticenigma> POLK, I'd have to double check, but dnsmasq is often installed as part of the local DNS caching feature of Ubuntu. What version of Ubuntu are you on, and what concern exactly do you have?
[03:20] <POLK> pragmaticenigma,  I've 16.04
[03:20] <POLK> I've figured it out already, thx
[03:44] <zippo^> Magnus is not really great magnus. does someone know alternative for magnus? CCSM is stopping with support.
[03:45] <zippo^> magnify
[04:11] <Casper26> anyone know how to remove the purple background on unity-greeter in 16.04? the purple background displays for a couple of seconds before showing my custom background?
[05:26] <cptmorgan> im trying to switch from cloud-init to network-manager. If I start network manager while my nics are configured with cloud-init will network manager take over and clear the ip address on the interfaces?
[05:41] <jaggz> what's a way from an xubuntu live cd I can share screens and let someone control my computer?
[06:00] <Archdave> https://www.addictivetips.com/ubuntu-linux-tips/use-screen-share-in-ubuntu/
[06:52] <pyzozord> hey, if you remember yestarday i had a problem with super key on my keyboard. Turned out the keyboard was in a "game mode". So that's solved now. However I tried a bunch of different things and as a result right now my alt key shortcuts don't work anymore. When I check in xev pressing alt results in KeyRelease event, serial 37 but XLookupString gives 0
[06:53] <pyzozord> I also checked keyboard shortcuts in settings and I can see that right now moving workspaces up and down is based on super + pgup/pgdown instead of the standard ctrl+alt+up/down. I tried reseting to defaults but nothing changes
[07:00] <pyzozord> or really simply my ctrl+alt+t doesn't work
[08:01] <pyzozord> hey can someone help me? Alt+tab doesnt work for me
[09:59] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[10:04] <jjakob> can anyone throw me a credential for 12.04 advantage esm?
[10:16] <tomreyn> jjakob: My understanding is that 12.04 ESM is only provided for a few select Canonical customers and their specific package lists at this time, and that there is no free support. You can register for free ESM for up to three systems for 14.04 LTS and later. https://ubuntu.com/blog/ua-services-deployed-from-the-command-line-with-ua-client
[10:16] <tomreyn> !esm
[10:17] <jjakob> tomreyn: thanks. I saw that they offered 14.04 for free, but I have just one 12.04. Guess I'll upgrade asap...
[10:18] <tomreyn> 12.04 until 16.04 have ESM for 3 years only anyways, so 12.04 ESM is already over.
[10:19] <tarelerulz> does hfs have partitions ? if so can you make one?
[10:19] <jjakob> yeah I know, I just thought I could get the patches that came after support ended until the end of ESM
[10:24] <tomreyn> tarelerulz: if you mean Apples' Hierarchical File System thern that's a file system, not a partition table. file systems don't have partitions. partitions can contain file systems. there are some file systems which can contain subvolumes (btrfs) and pools (ZFS) which is a (somewhat) similar mechanism to partitioning. i don't think (but am not certain) that HFS supports such.
[10:33] <grawity> HFS does not, but APFS does
[10:46] <tomreyn> tarelerulz: see above, and please note i discard all private messages from users not on my whitelist (i just receive notifications)
[10:51] <pavl> Hi. Need help. Can not use resize2fs after adding some space to logical volume
[10:52] <pavl> pavl@ubuntu:~$ sudo resize2fs /dev/vg_test/lv_test2
[10:52] <pavl> resize2fs 1.44.1 (24-Mar-2018)
[10:52] <pavl> resize2fs: Device or resource busy while trying to open /d
[10:52] <pavl> resize2fs: Device or resource busy while trying to open /dev/vg_test/lv_test2
[10:52] <pavl> Couldn't find valid filesystem superblock.
[10:52] <pavl> how to fix it, can someine help me
[11:07] <mauz555> hello  I upgraded from ubuntu 18 to 20 now my system wont boot properly to gnome anyone can help ?
[11:13] <sixwheeledbeast> that with be ubuntu+1 I believe
[11:13] <sixwheeledbeast> s/with/will/
[11:15] <mauz555> sixwheeledbeast: right, im stuck on ubuntu loading screen can access to login screen, should I rollback to 18 ?
[11:15] <mauz555> cannot*
[11:16] <lotuspsychje> mauz555: join #ubuntu+1 as adviced
[11:16] <sixwheeledbeast> You need to ask at ubuntu+1 focal isn't full release yet.
[11:16] <tomreyn> !downgrade | mauz555
[11:57] <PeGaSuS> hello guys. I need a honest answer. my OS is Ubuntu 18.04. would be there any issue if I add to `/etc/apt/sources.list` the following "repo": `deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu focal universe multiverse restricted` and update the system?
[11:58] <elioporco> EriC^^ hi Eric I?ve tryed to repair the boot of win with a usb stick but the win boot repair tool it did not work
[11:58] <EriC^^> elioporco: hey, did ubuntu boot yesterday?
[11:58] <elioporco> EriC^^ yes i'm writing on it
[11:58] <elioporco> @and i'm so glad
[11:59] <EriC^^> elioporco: ah great, good to hear, so you made the windows usb?
[11:59] <EriC^^> elioporco: can you boot the windows usb and be here at the same time to get instructions?
[11:59] <tomreyn> PeGaSuS: certainly, yes.
[11:59] <elioporco> EriC^^yes, in a few minutes
[12:00] <PeGaSuS> tomreyn: so I really need to upgrade the distro?
[12:00] <elioporco> EriC^^ let's talk shortly
[12:00] <tomreyn> PeGaSuS: upgrades to 20.04 aren't supported, yet.
[12:00] <EriC^^> elioporco: ok
[12:01] <tomreyn> PeGaSuS: what is the problem you're trying the solve, or the goal you have?
[12:01] <PeGaSuS> tomreyn: no problems actually. just want to keep packages always with latest versions without having to upgrade the distro
[12:02] <tomreyn> ubuntu is not a rolling release distribution
[12:02] <tomreyn> !latest
[12:06] <PeGaSuS> tomreyn: I know that Ubuntu isn't a rolling release. but for example, one of this days I had to install the latest tcl-tls package (1.7.20) manually because my eggdrop was having issues while the one on Bionic is still 1.6.7
[12:07] <PeGaSuS> I was wondering if there's a way to cherry pick packages from other distros without causing much harm to the system
[12:08] <elioporco> EriC^^here i am
[12:09] <elioporco> with the advanced opton of eun recovery
[12:09] <EriC^^> elioporco: ok go to command prompt
[12:10] <elioporco> yes
[12:10] <EriC^^> type "diskpart"
[12:11] <elioporco> EriC^^ diskpart>
[12:12] <EriC^^> elioporco: "list vol"
[12:13] <EriC^^> elioporco: you need to identify the windows ntfs partition and the efi fat32 500mb partition
[12:13] <PeGaSuS> !backports
[12:14] <elioporco> EriC^^vol 1 & 2
[12:14] <lotuspsychje> PeGaSuS: there are also snaps if you want
[12:15] <lotuspsychje> PeGaSuS: we dont advice mixing packages from other distros though
[12:15] <EriC^^> elioporco: is there a letter assigned to them? C:\ E:\ D:\ etc?
[12:15] <EriC^^> elioporco: the ntfs windows one was 466GiB or 500GB
[12:15] <elioporco> EriC^^c on ntfs the other volume is empty
[12:16] <EriC^^> elioporco: ok, type "sel vol 1" or "sel vol 2" depending on its number
[12:16] <elioporco> EriC^^ yes 466
[12:17] <EriC^^> all good?
[12:17] <elioporco> @yes i ve selected the 500Mb
[12:17] <elioporco> EriC^^
[12:17] <EriC^^> ok, type "assign letter=e"
[12:18] <EriC^^> ok, type "assign letter=e:"
[12:18] <EriC^^> if e: doesnt work, use any other letter that isnt already in the list
[12:18] <elioporco> EriC^^ i used f
[12:19] <EriC^^> ok
[12:19] <EriC^^> elioporco: type 'exit' to get out of diskpart
[12:19] <elioporco> EriC^^y
[12:20] <EriC^^> elioporco: type "F:\"
[12:20] <EriC^^> then "cd EFI"
[12:21] <tomreyn> PeGaSuS: forget about backports, there are hardly any. look into !PPAs instead
[12:21] <tomreyn> !PPA | PeGaSuS
[12:21] <tomreyn> (and snaps)
[12:22] <elioporco> EriC^^ f: is not recognizad
[12:22] <elioporco> F:\ and f:\
[12:22] <EriC^^> elioporco: hmm, odd, type 'diskpart' again
[12:22] <EriC^^> then 'list vol'
[12:23] <elioporco> EriC^^in disk part is ok F
[12:24] <elioporco>  i type exit and return to X:\sources
[12:24] <EriC^^> try f:\
[12:25] <EriC^^> or F:
[12:25] <EriC^^> without \
[12:25] <elioporco> yee
[12:25] <elioporco> ok
[12:25] <EriC^^> worked?
[12:25] <elioporco> cd efi
[12:25] <EriC^^> yes sir
[12:25] <elioporco> yes
[12:25] <EriC^^> elioporco: type "mkdir Microsoft"
[12:26] <elioporco> ok
[12:26] <EriC^^> elioporco: "cd Microsoft"
[12:26] <Seb> is there no support for IPX in recent kernels anymore ? I can see an ipx module anywhere...
[12:26] <EriC^^> elioporco: then "mkdir Boot"
[12:27] <elioporco> ok
[12:28] <pyzozord> hey i my headset microphone has a lot of static noise. I'm on thinkpad x230, can someone help?
[12:28] <elioporco> EriC^^i'm in boot dir
[12:28] <EriC^^> elioporco: ok, type "cd Boot"
[12:28] <elioporco>  yes
[12:28] <EriC^^> elioporco: ok, type "bootrec /FixBoot"
[12:30] <PeGaSuS> tomreyn, lotuspsychje: thanks for the info and tips. I'm glad that Ubuntu community is so helpful :)
[12:30] <EriC^^> elioporco: all good?
[12:31] <elioporco> EriC^^access is denied
[12:32] <EriC^^> elioporco: what's the exact error it's saying?
[12:32] <elioporco> exactly access is denied
[12:32] <tomreyn> PeGaSuS: you're welcome.
[12:33] <EriC^^> elioporco: try "cd /d F:\EFI\Microsoft\Boot\"
[12:33] <EriC^^> elioporco: then "bootrec /FixBoot"
[12:34] <EriC^^> elioporco: no worries, i think i found solution online
[12:35] <elioporco> EriC^^same error
[12:35] <elioporco> EriC^^good, those are months that i try unvain
[12:36] <EriC^^> elioporco: try "format F: /FS:FAT32"
[12:36] <EriC^^> elioporco: you still have an ubuntu usb right?
[12:36] <EriC^^> we will need it to reinstall grub after windows is fixed
[12:37] <elioporco> yes
[12:37] <EriC^^> ok cool
[12:38] <EriC^^> elioporco: format all good?
[12:38] <elioporco> EriC^^ok
[12:38] <elioporco> @done
[12:39] <EriC^^> elioporco: type "bcdboot c:\Windows /l en-us /s F: All
[12:41] <EriC^^> any error?
[12:41] <elioporco> EriC^^no thia print the help of bcdboot
[12:42] <EriC^^> ok try
[12:42] <EriC^^> elioporco: type "bcdboot c:\Windows /l en-us /s F: /f UEFI
[12:43] <elioporco> EriC^^sounds good it work
[12:43] <elioporco> boot files successfully created
[12:43] <EriC^^> elioporco: ok, great, try "cd /d F:\EFI\Microsoft\Boot\"
[12:44] <EriC^^> then "bootrec /FixBoot"
[12:44] <elioporco> EriC^^ access is denied
[12:45] <elioporco> on bootrec message
[12:46] <EriC^^> elioporco: try once again "diskpart"
[12:46] <EriC^^> then type "list disk"
[12:46] <EriC^^> select the disk number of the main hdd with "sel disk 1" or 2 etc
[12:48] <elioporco> ok
[12:48] <elioporco> selected
[12:49] <EriC^^> elioporco: try again 'list vol' then 'sel vol 1 or 2'
[12:49] <EriC^^> elioporco: try assigning letter "assign letter=b:"
[12:50] <EriC^^> elioporco: i found a command might help
[12:52] <elioporco> EriC^^now the 500mb part is assignes as b , in the info coulom in flagged as hidden n
[13:01] <EriC^^> elioporco: ok
[13:02] <EriC^^> elioporco: exit diskpart
[13:02] <EriC^^> then try "b:"
[13:02] <EriC^^> elioporco: "cd /d B:\EFI\Microsoft\Boot\"
[13:02] <EriC^^> elioporco: then "bootrec /FixBoot"
[13:03] <EriC^^> if you get the access is denied error, try typing
[13:03] <EriC^^> "bootsect/nt60 sys"
[13:03] <EriC^^> then "bootrec /FixBoot"
[13:09] <elioporco> EriC^^nothing, always access denied also after the bootcode update on all volumes
[13:15] <elioporco> EriC^^sorry icve lost my connection
[13:16] <elioporco> EriC^^always access is denied
[13:18] <MilkmanDan> Will there be an unsupported procedure for upgrading the last 20.04 nightly to the release?
[13:19] <MilkmanDan> I can't find anyone discussing it so that seems to be "no".
[13:21] <TJ-> MilkmanDan: the regular "apt upgrade" does it
[13:22] <MilkmanDan> That's what I figured but I wasn't sure.
[13:22] <TJ-> MilkmanDan: then release ISOs are just the set of packages frozen in time on release date
[13:22] <MilkmanDan> Things break for mysterious reasons.
[13:22] <TJ-> s/then/the/
[13:22] <MilkmanDan> Right right.
[13:23] <MilkmanDan> In that case I might go ahead and switch a system or two to Ubuntu and see if I can scratch any of my own last minute bug itches.
[13:28] <MilkmanDan> TJ-: Thanks for the confirmation. :)
[13:32] <bitblit> certain apps are take 10-15 seconds to open on my ubuntu 18.04 install. running gedit from console generates no errors, but takes 15 seconds to open the main window. i'm using i3.
[13:32] <grawity> how long does `getent ahosts $(hostname)` take?
[13:33] <slingamn> i'm trying to do "check disk for defects" but the graphics are all messed up --- is there a way to force it into basic vga or terminal mode?
[13:35] <bitblit> grawity: it returned immediately
[13:36] <EriC^^> elioporco: aha sorry i was away a little
[13:36] <EriC^^> elioporco: ok, try to boot, in case just the bcdboot command was enough
[13:43] <elioporco> EriC^^ ok i try
[13:49] <bitblit> i'm also having an issue with a new external usb HD that I verified is working on another computer. when I plug it into my ubuntu server it spins up but doesn't show up in lsusb or dmesg or fdisk.
[13:49] <bitblit> it's usb 3
[13:50] <grawity> do any USB-related messages show up in dmesg at all, when you connect it?
[13:50] <bitblit> nothing when i grep -i usb
[13:51] <cptmorgan> im trying to switch from cloud-init to network-manager. If I start network manager while my nics are configured with cloud-init will network manager take over and clear the ip address on the interfaces?
[13:52] <cptmorgan> actually netplan not cloud-init
[13:55] <elioporco> EriC^^win boot normally, very good
[13:55] <Biessie> when did 20.04 LTS release?
[13:56] <tonyt> 20.04 LTS hasnt released yet
[13:57] <tonyt> April 23, 2020 is when 20.04 lts gets released
[13:57] <elioporco> EriC^^i reboot with the ubuntu stivk
[13:59] <Biessie> ahh okay so 19.04 is what i have currently.
[14:03] <ducasse> cptmorgan: netplan uses networkd or network-manager to configure networking, it is only used to define the configuration
[14:03] <ducasse> cptmorgan: make sure renderer is set to network-manager
[14:03] <TJ-> cptmorgan: is that a desktop/GUI system? netplan will just be generating runtime configs for NetworkManager under /run/NetworkManager/
[14:04] <TJ-> cptmorgan: if you disable/empty netplan then on next reboot no config will be generated
[14:04] <ducasse> Biessie: 19.04 is eol, you should upgrade
[14:04] <EriC^^> elioporco: great! ok type 'sudo mount /dev/sda6 /mnt'
[14:05] <Biessie> ducasse - In process of upgrading now. :)
[14:06] <elioporco> EriC^^i am on it
[14:06] <Blade> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/G2RXrqK5zN/   :)
[14:07] <Blade> cheers
[14:08] <EriC^^> elioporco: type the following line
[14:08] <EriC^^> for i in /dev /proc /sys /run; do sudo mount -R $i /mnt$i; done
[14:09] <elioporco>  EriC^^ok do
[14:10] <EriC^^> elioporco: sudo chroot /mnt
[14:10] <EriC^^> elioporco: then'mount /boot/efi'
[14:10] <EriC^^> elioporco: then 'mount /boot/efi'
[14:13] <elioporco> EriC^^can't find UUID..
[14:14] <EriC^^> elioporco: oh right, we did a format
[14:15] <EriC^^> elioporco: type 'blkid /dev/sda1 | nc termbin.com 9999'
[14:22] <elioporco> EriC^^ https://termbin.com/5nswv
[14:43] <Dakkus> Hey there, good humans! I'd like to be able to create a wireless hotspot, but it seems that I am currently using proprietary Intel drivers, which don't allow me to do so. There is another driver, iwlwifi, which should support creating a wireless hotspot. There is a suitable-looking entry in /lib/firmware . How do I change the driver I am using from the proprietary Intel driver to iwlwifi?
[14:43] <LaRose_Bleu> and i still would
[14:45] <tomreyn> Dakkus: which driver are you currently using, and which hardware?    lspci -knn     should tell
[14:46] <tomreyn> LaRose_Bleu: what do you mean by "and i still would"?
[14:47] <LaRose_Bleu> typed in wrong windows my dude dont worry about it
[14:51] <elioporco>  EriC^^https://termbin.com/5nswv
[14:53] <tomreyn> elioporco: so UUID=E2F7-04D3 is the device that should be mounted to /boot/efi in /etc/fstab
[14:54] <elioporco> tomreyni have to edit fstab?
[14:55] <tomreyn> elioporco: i'm not sure what the problem is, may not have read up enough. but from the recent chat with EirC it looks like you may need to update fstab,. yes.
[14:56] <tomreyn> elioporco: maybe you can share the line for the /boot/efi mount you have there now, and then we can see what to do about it
[14:56] <pavlos> elioporco: if you are inside a chroot, you'd need to edit /mnt/etc/fstab
[14:56] <Dakkus> tomreyn: Okay, seems to already be iwl:
[14:56] <Dakkus> 	Kernel driver in use: iwl3945
[14:57] <tomreyn> Dakkus: iwl, yes, but not iwlwifi
[14:58] <Dakkus> Ah, okay. Good! Then changing to iwlwifi might still be a solution.
[14:58] <jeremy31> Dakkus: not possible
[14:58] <Dakkus> What isn't?
[14:58] <grawity> iwl3945 is not "proprietary", it's part of the kernel as much as iwlwifi is
[14:58] <grawity> but usually the entire reason for having different drivers is that the devices themselves are too different
[14:58] <jeremy31> Dakkus: you cannot just switch driver when the driver doesn't support that hardware
[14:59] <grawity> very rarely you'll see Linux shipping two drivers for the same model
[14:59] <pavlos> elioporco: disregard this, my mistake ... if you are inside a chroot, you'd need to edit /mnt/etc/fstab
[15:00] <elioporco> pavlos https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Y35GZFkrxQ/
[15:00] <elioporco> pavlosi'm on a live
[15:01] <elioporco> i think that i have to reinstall grub
[15:01] <tomreyn> elioporco: use the "nano" editor instead of mousepad
[15:01] <elioporco> tomreyn nano open a black sheet
[15:02] <tomreyn> elioporco: had you done this, yet?    <EriC^^> elioporco: sudo chroot /mnt
[15:03] <elioporco> tomreyn i think so root@ubuntu-studio:/#
[15:05] <tomreyn> elioporco: cat /etc/fstab | nc termbin.com 9999
[15:05] <tomreyn> this should return a http address you can post here
[15:05] <pennTeller> Hi guys, does any one know if there is a Samsung Dex client for Ubuntu? I am not talking about "Linux on Dex" but the normal client to access my phone from the OS
[15:06] <elioporco> https://termbin.com/nzkw
[15:06] <Casper26> anyone know how to remove the purple background on unity-greeter in 16.04? the purple background displays for a couple of seconds before showing my custom background?
[15:07] <pennTeller> Casper26, it sounds to me like you would need to recompile the kernel for that.
[15:07] <tomreyn> elioporco: so you see the "UUID=EFEB-2451 /boot/efi"... line there? change the UUID there to:   UUID=E2F7-04D3
[15:07] <pavlos> elioporco: the UUID for /boot/efi should be  UUID=E2F7-04D3
[15:08] <tomreyn> elioporco: nano /etc/fstab
[15:08] <robertparkerx> lol https://i.hashdev.org/20200329_100738_ROBERTPARKERX.jpg
[15:08] <tomreyn> !ot | robertparkerx
[15:08] <robertparkerx> shit wrong channel
[15:08] <robertparkerx> Sorry
[15:08] <pennTeller> Casper26, I had to recompile the kernel to completely change the boot up screen on a raspberry pi. Pretty sure it was with this tutorial: https://scribles.net/customizing-boot-up-screen-on-raspberry-pi/
[15:09] <EriC^^> elioporco: sorry im back
[15:09] <EriC^^> !Ping
[15:10] <EriC^^> elioporco: type 'nano /etc/fstab'
[15:10] <EriC^^> elioporco: there should be a line that says UUID=something /boot/efi ........ replace "something" with E2F7-04D3
[15:10] <EriC^^> it's the same line yesterday you removed the "#" from if you remember
[15:11] <EriC^^> elioporco: after that, press ctrl+x to save and exit, then "mount /boot/efi" it should work this time
[15:11] <EriC^^> elioporco: finally, type "grub-install" then "update-grub" it should pick up windows too, then exit and reboot
[15:12] <elioporco> EriC^^ grub-install: error: cannot find EFI directory.
[15:13] <elioporco> EriC^^all ok
[15:13] <elioporco> no error reported
[15:14] <elioporco> sorry
[15:14] <elioporco> and found windows
[15:14] <pavlos> YES!
[15:15] <elioporco> ooooh yes
[15:15] <elioporco> awesome
[15:15] <elioporco> i reboot now
[15:22] <pavlos> Dakkus: lspci | grep -i Wireless
[15:24] <elioporco> EriC^^ no boot, only grub minimal bash-like 'grub>'
[15:25] <elioporco> in the uefi settings all is collected 1,grub 2,ubuntu 3,win
[15:28] <TJ-> elioporco: do "echo $prefix" what does it report?
[15:29] <TJ-> elioporco: I'm assuming you're still in the grub> shell
[15:31] <elioporco> TJ- i'm no more on the grub
[15:31] <elioporco> but i can reboot
[15:31] <elioporco> now i'm on a live
[15:32] <TJ-> elioporco: ahhh
[15:32] <TJ-> elioporco: do you have a nother PC you can talk on IRC from whilst working on the problem PC?
[15:32] <elioporco> TJ- i'll talk by the phone
[15:34] <aaardvark> I am BRAND NEW to screen - I created a session, while connected by ssh, lost the ssh connection - re-connected - sure enough screen -ls shows the old session but I can not work out how to re-connect to it
[15:35] <elioporco> ok
[15:35] <pavlos> aaardvark: screen -d -r
[15:36] <grawity> screen -r is the basic operation, see manual page for a few other modes of reattaching
[15:36] <elioporco> TJ-here i am
[15:36] <aaardvark> pavlushka: TY - now I just need to read up and find what I just did, :) but it did work - thanks
[15:37] <TJ-> elioporco: OK, do "echo $prefix" tell us what it shows
[15:37] <pavlushka> aaardvark: sure, why not?
[15:37] <aaardvark> grawity: I tried the screen -r and it did not connect , seems that -d was required - hence going to read what it did
[15:37] <pavlushka> aaardvark: anytime!
[15:38] <grawity> -d forces detach of the previous terminal, so it sounds like the server hasn't realized yet that the SSH connection is lost
[15:38] <elioporco> (hd1, gpt1)/EFI/ubuntu
[15:38] <grawity> you can just always use -d -r as pavlos mentioned
[15:39] <aaardvark> wow - there are SO MANY options to screen - it is looking like a GREAT product that will take some time to even really be a beginner - but looking like ti is worth it
[15:39] <grawity> eh I prefer `tmux attach` personally
[15:40] <elioporco> TJ(hd1, gpt1)/EFI/ubuntu
[15:40] <elioporco> TJ-
[15:42] <EriC^^> elioporco: ok, try to boot the live usb again
[15:42] <EriC^^> elioporco: did you run update-grub?
[15:42] <elioporco> yes
[15:42] <EriC^^> elioporco: actually, in grub> try typing "configfile /boot/grub/grub.cfg"
[15:44] <elioporco> EriC^^ blanck
[15:48] <sammyg1321> Hi All, im not sure if anyone would have a clue but im having issues with VMWare player and im not sure if this is the right place to ask
[15:50] <aaardvark> I'm still a little confused about screen - I exited the sessions that I had - and now when I do screen -ls it does show "There are screen on:" and lists two - I can reconnect to one of them with the -r -d - how do I connect to the other in the same screen?
[15:52] <pavlos> aaardvark: they have different names, use -S partofname to reconnect
[15:53] <sammyg1321> Also does anyone here utilize a GTX 710? and if so would you use the Xorg drivers or the proprietary drivers for nvidia?
[15:53] <elioporco> EriC^^nothing appears
[15:53] <aaardvark> pavlos: TY
[15:54] <oerheks> sammyg1321, so it is a vmware issue?
[15:54] <oerheks> on bare metal i would use the nouveau drivers, pretty good these days
[15:55] <sammyg1321> Yeah at the base but im trying to pinpoint possible issues, not too sure what it could be, basically everytime i start the vmware instance, it just crashes VMware oerheks
[15:55] <oerheks> ask in vmware channels?
[15:55] <sammyg1321> theres one?
[15:55] <oerheks> !alis
[15:55] <elioporco> grub>
[15:56] <sammyg1321> Thanks ! il try there, if not and i post on Askubuntu, what information should i add to my post?
[15:56] <sammyg1321> yea no such channel oerheks
[15:57] <tieinv> i saw vmware-manager in the repos but no VMware player
[15:57] <sammyg1321> lemme try again
[15:57] <sammyg1321> yea imm the only one lma
[15:58] <sammyg1321> but yea if i need to create a AskUbuntu post, is there anything that i can add to my post to get some extra assistance?
[15:58] <oerheks> tieinv, as it is prop software
[15:58] <tieinv> then they should ask there
[15:58] <oerheks> specs, host os, vmware player, ubuntu version
[15:58] <sammyg1321> Thank you il try to make a nice post
[15:58] <oerheks> and the issue
[16:01] <elioporco> sorry the phone disconnect me
[16:01] <EriC^^> elioporco: wb
[16:01] <EriC^^> elioporco: try typing "echo $root"
[16:02] <elioporco> hd1,gpt1
[16:02] <elioporco> EriC^^
[16:02] <EriC^^> elioporco: ok, type " ls /boot/grub"
[16:02] <EriC^^> it shows grub.cfg there?
[16:03] <elioporco> EriC^^ error file not found
[16:03] <FrankyGov> heya
[16:03] <FrankyGov> Dear heroes
[16:03] <FrankyGov> Does anybody know any open source software for mind mapping or concept mapping?
[16:05] <sammyg1321> One final question though, any other recommended softwares for Running Windows 10 in a VM?
[16:05] <pavlos> FrankyGov: https://www.fossmint.com/free-mind-mapping-software-for-linux/
[16:12] <elioporco> not found grub.cfg
[16:14] <sammyg1321> guys i found my issue, i had reset my bios setting and turned off virtualizatin
[16:14] <sammyg1321> but thank you
[16:14] <pavlos> elioporco: is there anything in /boot/grub/ ?
[16:15] <shibboleth> sammyg1321, ordinarily libvrt would be quite vocal about vt-x and vt-d besing disabled by bios
[16:15] <shibboleth> so looking at logs would've sufficed
[16:15] <sammyg1321> yea thats the thing it would crash
[16:15] <sammyg1321> no error no nothign
[16:15] <sammyg1321> So thats why i was like well?
[16:17] <elioporco> pavlos no
[16:18] <elioporco> magical Mystery grub
[16:22] <lotuspsychje> FrankyGov: there's a freeplane mindmap if you like
[16:22] <EriC^^> 1sec
[16:27] <MikeRL> Anyone know how to disable phased updates on Ubuntu? I mean for the GUI software updater.
[16:28] <MikeRL> NVM.
[16:28] <MikeRL> Found an old article on it.
[16:30] <MikeRL> http://www.murraytwins.com/blog/?p=127
[16:31] <MikeRL> Well oops. Found the article, but /etc/apt/apt.conf doesn't exist in this version. Only /etc/apt/apt.conf.d exists, which is a folder. What do I do?
[16:31] <MikeRL> I know the text to insert, just not what file to create or append it to.
[16:37] <oerheks> disable phased updates .. ot sure that is available in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50unattended-upgrades
[16:38] <oerheks> i find that only in 13.10 ...
[16:38] <oerheks> handy list. https://libre-software.net/ubuntu-automatic-updates/
[16:38] <oerheks> Johannes Eva did some good writing
[16:39] <oerheks> cat /var/log/unattended-upgrades/unattended-upgrades.log
[16:41] <MikeRL> oerheks, Thanks.
[16:42] <oerheks> have fun!
[16:47] <MikeRL> Hmm. No updated documentation on phased updates since 13.04. Someone higher up should fix that.
[16:48] <MikeRL> I will just leave it alone. I always dist-upgrade from the terminal anyhow. But it would save me from having to type in my password at times if I could do it via GUI.
[16:48] <oerheks> set an alias ..
[16:48] <MikeRL> Alias?
[16:49] <MikeRL> Have any documentation on that?
[16:49] <MikeRL> Will search for it.
[16:50] <tomreyn> "man bash", but it's extensive
[16:50] <oerheks> alias plop='sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade && sudo apt autoremove'
[16:50] <oerheks> some hang logrotate and rsync on it
[16:51] <noraatepernos> This is really embarassing but which of these do I use with Ubuntu 18.04? https://github.com/papertrail/remote_syslog2/releases
[16:52] <tomreyn> we only support software that's packaged in ubuntu here by default
[16:53] <oerheks> sourcecode, or the deb for your arch
[16:53] <tomreyn> the default syslog daemon, rsyslog, can do remote logging
[16:53] <MikeRL> Ah. I get it. An alias is like a custom command of sorts.
[16:53] <oerheks> yes, smart tool that is
[16:54] <MikeRL> That saved time. I added sudo apt autoclean and sudo apt clean to it.
[16:54] <oerheks> MikeRL, yes, but keep the sudo password under your control
[16:54] <noraatepernos> tomreyn: Thanks.
[16:54] <MikeRL> oerheks, I use a BIOS password and a secure login PW.
[16:54] <MikeRL> So that should keep people away.
[16:54] <oerheks> :-)
[16:55] <EriC^^> elioporco: ok im back
[16:55] <EriC^^> elioporco: ok, boot the live usb to make the grub.cfg
[16:55] <MikeRL> You cannot even boot into a freakin Live install without said password. And the BIOS is updated.
[16:55] <elioporco> EriC^^ok
[16:55] <MikeRL> Not saying it's 100%, but better security than the average user.
[16:56] <Celmor[m]> anyone know how to find out if an NFC adapter in a laptop is supported?
[16:56] <MikeRL> Would encrypt but it'll slow this five year old laptop down.
[16:56] <oerheks> uefi is useless without password.
[16:57] <oerheks> Celmor[m], nfc-list  # would tell, not installed standard iirc > sudo apt install libnfc-bin
[16:58] <oerheks> nfc-scan-device first i guess..
[16:58] <EriC^^> elioporco: sudo mount /dev/sda6 /mnt
[16:59] <Celmor[m]> "No NFC device foundNo NFC device foundNo NFC device found" guess not :/
[17:00] <oerheks> wait, does it show up in ;   rfkill list
[17:02] <elioporco> EriC^^ok
[17:04] <Celmor[m]> oerheks: only my bluetoothb and wifi
[17:05] <oerheks> Celmor[m], then no, see what lspci gives , to see if there is a github project
[17:06] <elioporco> EriC^^ update-grub?
[17:07] <Celmor[m]> oerheks: nothing pointing to NFC. also tried getting my fingerprint to work, which i see in lsusb, but no luck with the scan function of the corresponding tool either
[17:07] <Celmor[m]> guess HP isn't really supported in linux
[17:08] <oerheks> for FP, if it is listed on ; https://fprint.freedesktop.org/supported-devices.html  or https://launchpad.net/~fingerprint/+archive/ubuntu/fingerprint-gui
[17:08] <oerheks> then it is supported, what HP model laptop is this??
[17:10] <elioporco> EriC^^ok
[17:10] <EriC^^> elioporco: wb
[17:11] <EriC^^> elioporco: ok, type again 'for i in /dev /proc /sys /run; do sudo mount -R $i /mnt$i; done'
[17:12] <elioporco> EriC^^ok
[17:12] <EriC^^> elioporco: ok, type 'sudo chroot /mnt'
[17:13] <elioporco> EriC^^yes
[17:14] <EriC^^> elioporco: ok type 'mount /boot/efi'
[17:14] <elioporco> y
[17:14] <EriC^^> elioporco: ok, type 'update-grub'
[17:15] <elioporco> EriC^^done
[17:15] <elioporco> reboot?
[17:15] <EriC^^> no
[17:16] <EriC^^> i just realized something, earlier you said $root was hd1,gpt1, but that's the efi partition not rootfs
[17:16] <EriC^^> also you said for $prefix <elioporco> TJ(hd1, gpt1)/EFI/ubuntu
[17:16] <grawity> that sounds normal for grub's $root variable
[17:16] <grawity> it tells *grub* where to look for files – not the same thing as the kernel's root= parameter
[17:16] <EriC^^> grawity: isn't root the root fs ? and not efi
[17:17] <grawity> there are two different things called "root" in grub.cfg!
[17:17] <EriC^^> grawity: but $root is supposed to point to the fs that contains grub.cfg
[17:17] <grawity> ah yes, that's true
[17:18] <EriC^^> elioporco: try typing 'ls -lR /boot/efi | nc termbin.com 9999'
[17:18] <EriC^^> elioporco: also, 'cat /boot/efi/efi/ubuntu/grub.cfg | nc termbin.com 9999'
[17:19] <grawity> that said, my own machine has grub.cfg *on* the EFI partition, so it still seems quite normal...
[17:19] <EriC^^> grawity: yeah, that grub.cfg builds the $prefix and $root
[17:19] <EriC^^> which later is used to pull in the /boot/grub/grub.cfg menu file
[17:20] <EriC^^> this is the contents of my grub.cfg (efi one)
[17:20] <EriC^^> https://termbin.com/46w3
[17:22] <elioporco54> EriC^^ https://termbin.com/sfwq7
[17:22] <elioporco54> EriC^^ cat: /boot/efi/efi/ubuntu/grub.cfg: No such file or directory
[17:22] <pavlos> the second efi is upcase EFI
[17:22] <EriC^^> elioporco54: ah i see, that makes sense
[17:22] <EriC^^> pavlos: this is fat32, it's case insensitive
[17:23] <EriC^^> elioporco54: that makes sense, since grub.cfg is missing in the efi, it defaulted to use the location of the efi file as $prefix, explaining the earlier results
[17:23] <elioporco54> ookk good
[17:24] <EriC^^> elioporco54: can you type "mount | grep sda1" and see if it shows sda1 mounted at /boot/efi ?
[17:24] <elioporco54> we have to crate another one or copy
[17:25] <elioporco54> yes
[17:25] <elioporco54> EriC^^it's sda1 on /boot/efi
[17:26] <EriC^^> elioporco54: ok, try typing "grub-install"
[17:26] <EriC^^> actually type
[17:26] <EriC^^> grub-install | nc termbin.com 9999
[17:27] <elioporco54> EriC^^ no error reported
[17:27] <elioporco54> but didn't get me the link
[17:27] <EriC^^> elioporco54: ok, type "ls -lR /boot/efi | nc termbin.com 9999"
[17:28] <EriC^^> note the "-lR"
[17:28] <elioporco54> https://termbin.com/50ii
[17:28] <Celmor[m]> oerheks: already looked at that list and it's not in there (though other devices of the same maker are), it's an HP elitebook 850 G5
[17:29] <EriC^^> elioporco54: ok, type "cat /boot/efi/efi/grub/grub.cfg | nc termbin.com 9999"
[17:30] <elioporco54> https://termbin.com/bov1
[17:30] <EriC^^> that all looks good
[17:30] <EriC^^> elioporco54: try "update-grub"
[17:31] <elioporco54> ok
[17:32] <elioporco54> @erick
[17:32] <EriC^^> elioporco54: ok, type finally 'cat /boot/grub/grub.cfg | nc termbin.com 9999'
[17:33] <elioporco54> https://termbin.com/zdue
[17:33] <EriC^^> very nice
[17:33] <EriC^^> elioporco54: ok, type "exit" then reboot
[17:33] <elioporco54> oook
[17:35] <elioporco> no good
[17:36] <EriC^^> elioporco: what happened? grub> ?
[17:36] <elioporco> always grub>minimal BASH-like line
[17:36] <EriC^^> elioporco: are you on your phone right now or ubuntu live?
[17:36] <elioporco> phone
[17:37] <EriC^^> elioporco: ok, type in grub> "echo $prefix"
[17:37] <EriC^^> in theory it should say (hd1,gpt6)/boot/grub
[17:37] <elioporco> gpt1
[17:37] <EriC^^> ok, for some reason it's not setting it right, we'll see
[17:37] <TJ-> EriC^^: at that stage it's pointing to the ESP
[17:38] <EriC^^> TJ-: i found that it does this error when the grub.cfg is missing in the efi partition, it seems to point to efi/ubuntu
[17:38] <TJ-> elioporco: does it actually show (hd1,gpt1)/boot/grub/ or (hd1,gpt1)/EFI/ubuntu/
[17:39] <EriC^^> a while back some user joined with that, and i noticed ubuntu was using efi/grub sometimes instead of efi/ubuntu
[17:39] <TJ-> EriC^^: yeah.... but I thought I saw you double-check it is in place?
[17:39] <EriC^^> ah this might be it i think
[17:39] <EriC^^> i think i have it
[17:39] <elioporco> probably with bootreapir ive installed it in sda1 also in sda6
[17:39] <EriC^^> see the ubuntu efi file by default looks in efi/ubuntu for grub.cfg it seems
[17:40] <EriC^^> i dont remember if it was missing the grub.cfg in the current dir, and had to copy it or what, anyways we'll see
[17:40] <TJ-> EriC^^: why not just force it to load right now?
[17:40] <EriC^^> TJ-: that's what we'll do, but to solve it in the future
[17:41] <TJ-> EriC^^: as in configfile (hd1,gpt1)/EFI/ubuntu/grub.cfg ? is that correct?
[17:41] <EriC^^> elioporco: type 'configfile (hd1,gpt6)/boot/grub/grub.cfg'
[17:41] <TJ-> EriC^^: hmmm, I was thinking the EFI-SP version should then point to the other one but ...!
[17:41] <TJ-> EriC^^: might neeed to to correct set root and prefix to gpt6 too
[17:42] <elioporco> TJ-its /efi/boot
[17:42] <TJ-> hmmm aha
[17:43] <EriC^^> elioporco: any luck?
[17:43] <TJ-> EriC^^: ^^^ if it's (hd1,gpt1)/efi/BOOT/ that's pointing at the removable media path... and I bet that hasn't got the correct grub.cfg file
[17:44] <EriC^^> ah
[17:44] <EriC^^> yeah efi/boot has no grub.cfg from prior ls -l
[17:44] <elioporco> EriC^^filename inexpected error
[17:45] <EriC^^> elioporco: there might be a typo
[17:46] <EriC^^> elioporco: try "set root=(hd1,gpt6)"
[17:46] <elioporco> ok
[17:47] <EriC^^> elioporco: then 'configfile /boot/grub/grub.cfg'
[17:47] <dinar> hello. how to install alt+shift to change layout in xubuntu?
[17:47] <elioporco> ok
[17:47] <EriC^^> elioporco: just to confirm, echo $prefix is giving right now (hd1,gpt1)/efi/Boot correct?
[17:48] <elioporco> yes
[17:48] <EriC^^> (i mean earlier when we tried, not necessarily right now)
[17:48] <EriC^^> ok cool
[17:48] <EriC^^> elioporco: did the configfile command give a menu?
[17:48] <elioporco> yes
[17:48] <EriC^^> nice boot up ubuntu
[17:48] <elioporco> ah no
[17:49] <elioporco> sorry i have no menu
[17:49] <elioporco> only grub>
[17:49] <RadSurfer> is there a proper official skype for Ubuntu or not?
[17:49] <elioporco> EriC^^ grub>
[17:49] <EriC^^> elioporco: ok, try       set prefix=($root)'/boot/grub'
[17:50] <EriC^^> elioporco: then type "normal"
[17:51] <pavlos> RadSurfer: there is a skypeforlinux pkg, not sure about official
[17:51] <elioporco> EriC^^ok
[17:51] <EriC^^> elioporco: no menu?
[17:51] <TJ-> elioporco: 'normal' should cause the boot menu to be drawn
[17:51] <elioporco> no
[17:51] <kostkon> RadSurfer, use the snap, it's official
[17:52] <EriC^^> no error nothing elioporco ?
[17:52] <kostkon> RadSurfer, snap install skype
[17:52] <TJ-> elioporco: can you do "ls (hd1,gpt6)/boot/grub/" and tell us if you see a grub.cfg
[17:52] <elioporco> no
[17:52] <RadSurfer> error: This revision of snap "skype" was published using classic confinement and thus may
[17:52] <RadSurfer>        perform arbitrary system changes outside of the security sandbox that snaps are usually
[17:52] <RadSurfer>        confined to, which may put your system at risk.
[17:52] <RadSurfer> That does not sound proper to me.
[17:53] <elioporco> EriC^^disk not fount
[17:53] <elioporco> hd1,gpt6
[17:53] <kostkon> RadSurfer, snap info skype   it's straight from microsoft. try  snap install skype --classic
[17:53] <TJ-> elioporco: try "ls (hd0,gpt6)/boot/grub/" and tell us if you see a grub.cfg
[17:53] <RadSurfer> think I will PASS, since I don't want to compromise my desktop.
[17:53] <EriC^^> elioporco: how many disks/usb do you have in the pc currently
[17:54] <TJ-> EriC^^:!!! this is a device.map issue --- the isntall device is hd1 when using the ISO but hd0 when booting native
[17:54] <elioporco> only 1
[17:54] <elioporco> hd0,gpt6 not found
[17:54] <TJ-> elioporco: you have unplugged the USB with the installer ?
[17:54] <kostkon> RadSurfer, umm ok I guess. Use the deb which as safe as the snap, probably a bit less secure
[17:54] <EriC^^> interesting
[17:54] <kostkon> is*
[17:54] <TJ-> elioporco: what does "ls" report?
[17:54] <elioporco> ah no
[17:55] <kostkon> RadSurfer, the deb from skype's website
[17:55] <TJ-> elioporco: unplug the USB *then* reboot the PC
[17:55] <elioporco> now is unplugged
[17:55] <elioporco> ok
[17:55] <EriC^^> elioporco: try to reboot
[17:55] <RadSurfer> not going to worry about it now. been using Discord which works well enough w/friends.
[17:55] <TJ-> elioporco: 'reboot' or Ctrl+Alt+Del
[17:55] <elioporco> EriC^^ grub>  after reboot
[17:56] <EriC^^> elioporco: ok, type "ls" what does it show?
[17:56] <TJ-> elioporco: and then do "echo $prefix" and tell us what it reports
[17:56] <elioporco> proc hd0 hd1 hd1,gpt6 hd1,gpt5 hd1,gpt2 hd1,gpt1
[17:57] <TJ-> EriC^^: are those GPT partition numbers sane?
[17:57] <elioporco> prefix hd1,gpt1/efi/ubuntu
[17:57] <EriC^^> yeah
[17:57] <EriC^^> it's a long story
[17:58] <EriC^^> elioporco: ok, type the following
[17:58] <EriC^^> set root='(hd1,gpt6)'
[17:58] <TJ-> elioporco: try this too: "search --file grub.cfg"
[17:59] <EriC^^> elioporco: then try "ls /" just to see if it shows you the dirs of linux as usual, root home boot etc
[17:59] <EriC^^> TJ-: it's there, i had him cat it before rebooting
[17:59] <EriC^^> https://termbin.com/zdue
[17:59] <TJ-> EriC^^: but can GRUB find one and if so on what path
[18:00] <deskwizard> o/ I'm looking for recommandations for an uPNP server software
[18:00] <TJ-> EriC^^: I'm beginning to wonder if the file-system driver is missing from core image
[18:00] <p0a> Hello
[18:00] <elioporco> EriC^^ok set rrot and ls its a linux system
[18:00] <p0a> how can I create a UEFI compatible Ubuntu usb live?
[18:00] <TJ-> EriC^^: which FS is the system using, ext4?
[18:00] <EriC^^> elioporco: ok, great
[18:00] <EriC^^> elioporco: type the following
[18:00] <TJ-> p0a: the Ubuntu ISOs are hybrid and will boot on UEFI as is
[18:00] <p0a> TJ-: It doesn't work on my Asus Notebook t100t
[18:00] <EriC^^> elioporco: set prefix=($root)'/boot/grub'
[18:01] <p0a> TJ-: I did a `dd' copy after I formatted the usb into ext4. Is that wrong?
[18:01] <TJ-> p0a: is it possible that model is using a 32-bit UEFI? we've seen a lot of issues with Asus/Acer notebooks with that
[18:01] <p0a> dd if=ubuntu.iso of=/dev/sdb
[18:01] <p0a> TJ-: I believe it. I have a 32-bit windows OS in a x64 there
[18:01] <TJ-> p0a: firstly no need to format a file system... secondly 'dd' is exactly the correct command to use
[18:02] <p0a> TJ-: okay so grab a 32-bit image then
[18:02] <TJ-> p0a: OK, so your problem is that the Installer ISOs don't have the 32-bit UEFI boot loader on them
[18:02] <EriC^^> elioporco: all good?
[18:02] <TJ-> p0a: which Ubuntu release are you trying to install
[18:02] <elioporco> EriC^^ok set prefix
[18:02] <EriC^^> elioporco: ok, cool
[18:02] <EriC^^> elioporco: type "insmod normal"
[18:02] <EriC^^> elioporco: then type "normal"
[18:02] <p0a> TJ-: 18.04 64-bit
[18:03] <elioporco> ok
[18:03] <elioporco> the menu!
[18:03] <EriC^^> elioporco: great!
[18:03] <TJ-> p0a: I'm sure that doesn't have UEFI 32-bit boot support unfortunately.
[18:03] <elioporco> great
[18:03] <EriC^^> elioporco: ok, choose ubuntu
[18:03] <EriC^^> elioporco: when it boots, open a terminal and type "sudo efibootmgr -v | nc termbin.com 9999"
[18:03] <elioporco> EriC^^awesome!
[18:03] <p0a> TJ-: so go with 32-bit?
[18:04] <p0a> TJ-: wait, what's one release that has it?
[18:05] <TJ-> p0a: no, it's not about a 32-bit (x86) or 64-bit (amd64) Ubuntu install. This is purely your PC's boot firmware and the fact the Ubuntu installer doesn't include the version of GRUB that handles 32-bit firmware. You should still install the 64-bit (amd64) Ubuntu. Here's a hint that may help you: https://askubuntu.com/questions/392719/32-bit-uefi-boot-support
[18:06] <TJ-> p0a: you've got a 64-bit system but for some reason Asus decided to put an unusual, uncommon, 32-bit firmware on it
[18:07] <p0a> TJ-: They had leftover 32-bit firmware
[18:07] <EriC^^> elioporco67: wb
[18:07] <elioporco67> EriC^^ https://termbin.com/ymsh
[18:07] <p0a> TJ-: is there a way to avoid using Rufus? Seems like a windows tool
[18:07] <TJ-> p0a: no one wwas even building 32-bit UEFI until they started doing it :D
[18:07] <elioporco67> @erictnks
[18:08] <EriC^^> elioporco67: ok, we need to make it permanent now still
[18:08] <EriC^^> elioporco67: np
[18:08] <TJ-> p0a: not sure since I don't use the installers, but others here will know of Linux alternatives to do the same thing
[18:08] <jjakob> Just use dd
[18:08] <EriC^^> elioporco67: type "sudo mkdir /boot/efi/efi/ubuntu"
[18:08] <p0a> I want to use dd, I don't understand why dd doesn't work
[18:09] <p0a> jjakob: I am trying to follow these instructions: https://askubuntu.com/questions/392719/32-bit-uefi-boot-support
[18:09] <p0a> jjakob: but they require rufus. Can dd work?
[18:09] <elioporco67> EriC^^ye
[18:09] <TJ-> p0a: the essence of what you need to do is mount the USB's EFI-SP and add the grubx32.efi to /EFI/BOOT/
[18:09] <EriC^^> elioporco67: type 'sudo cp /boot/efi/efi/grub/grub.cfg /boot/efi/efi/ubuntu/grub.cfg"
[18:09] <elioporco67> ok
[18:09] <TJ-> p0a: actually, that should be grubia32.efi
[18:09] <EriC^^> elioporco67: also type
[18:09] <p0a> TJ-: got it. So dd as normal, then mount and copy that file
[18:09] <EriC^^> elioporco67: type 'sudo cp /boot/efi/efi/grub/grub.cfg /boot/efi/efi/boot/grub.cfg"
[18:10] <TJ-> p0a: right
[18:10] <elioporco67> done
[18:10] <TJ-> p0a: let me see if I can get you the file from the Ubuntu packages
[18:10] <elioporco67> @eri
[18:10] <elioporco67> EriC^^ ok
[18:10] <jjakob> This is in the link you posted and it doesn't use rufus: https://askubuntu.com/a/715843
[18:11] <EriC^^> elioporco67: ok did you run both commands?
[18:11] <zutat> p0a: one of those small screen, low end windows devices?
[18:11] <elioporco67> yes
[18:11] <elioporco67> EriC^^y
[18:11] <jjakob> but yeah, you need to do it manually cause the default iso doesn't have a 32-bit efi bootloader
[18:11] <EriC^^> elioporco67: ok, try to reboot
[18:11] <jjakob> doesn't your machine support legacy boot?
[18:14] <deskwizard> I'll ask a last time and stop bothering you people ...  I'm looking for recommandations for an uPNP server software, anyone has a good experience with anything?
[18:14] <TJ-> p0a: here it is: https://iam.tj/projects/ubuntu/grubia32.efi
[18:15] <TJ-> !info miniupnpd | deskwizard
[18:16] <deskwizard> aight I'll check this one out, hopefully more successfully than with gerbera
[18:16] <deskwizard> thanks :)
[18:16] <jjakob> look at what kodi uses
[18:18] <p0a> how can I mount a read-protected device to write something?
[18:19] <TJ-> p0a: is your PC listing the USB's EFI-SP partition with "sudo gdisk -l /dev/sdX" (X being the USB)
[18:19] <p0a> TJ-: I randomly mounted /dev/sdb1 and I can see EFI/, is that good?
[18:19] <TJ-> p0a: YES :)
[18:19] <TJ-> p0a: you should see /EFI/BOOT/
[18:20] <p0a> yeah that works, but I can't write, it's read protecte
[18:20] <p0a> d
[18:20] <TJ-> p0a: did it mount read-only? "mount | grep sdb"
[18:20] <p0a> also is this the file? https://github.com/jfwells/linux-asus-t100ta/raw/master/boot/bootia32.efi because you mentioned a different name
[18:20] <p0a> yeah it's `ro'
[18:20] <TJ-> p0a: no, use the one from Ubuntu I've put on my server for you
[18:20] <TJ-> p0a: here it is: https://iam.tj/projects/ubuntu/grubia32.efi
[18:21] <TJ-> p0a: now do "sudo mount -o remount,rw /dev/sdb1" and check again
[18:21] <p0a> TJ-: thank you
[18:21] <p0a> Hm, it's a binary. Is it safe to trust you?
[18:21] <TJ-> p0a: you'll need to copy it to different file name
[18:22] <TJ-> p0a: as in sudo cp ~/Downloads/grubia32.efi /$MOUNTPOINT/EFI/BOOT/BOOTIA32.EFI
[18:22] <TJ-> p0a: well you can get the hash of the file and compare it with the package archive listing
[18:22] <p0a> Where is that listing?
[18:23] <elioporco> works all!
[18:23] <p0a> I get `mount: /dev/sdb1 is write-protected but explicit read-write mode requested.' as an error. It won't let me mount the usb with the -w option
[18:23] <elioporco> Ubuntu bless
[18:24] <elioporco> EriC^^thank you
[18:24] <EriC^^> elioporco: great!
[18:24] <EriC^^> elioporco: no problem
[18:24] <TJ-> p0a: hmmm
[18:24] <elioporco> a dream come true
[18:24] <EriC^^> :D
[18:25] <TJ-> p0a: I think this is because the USB image is hybrid wrapped up in an ISO9660 image with El-Torito boot entries too
[18:26] <p0a> TJ-: I don't understand
[18:26] <TJ-> EriC^^: have you ever managed to add an EI boot loader to a USB installer ISO?
[18:26] <TJ-> s/EI/EFI/
[18:26] <TJ-> p0a: the file I gave you comes from https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/eoan/amd64/grub-efi-ia32-bin/2.04-1ubuntu12.2
[18:27] <grawity> do you want it for USB or do you want it for ISO
[18:27] <TJ-> grawity: we're just trying to add the file into the EFI-SP so it ought to be writeable
[18:27] <TJ-> grawity: given there's free space in it (possibly there isn't!)
[18:28] <EriC^^> TJ-: you mean the 32bit uefi ?
[18:30] <TJ-> p0a: the EFI-SP is also 100% full so we'd need to delete the existing file. Might be easier to create an identically sized file as a file-system and write it over the existing EFI-SP
[18:31] <p0a> TJ-: I don't know how to do that...
[18:31] <p0a> I am not sure what you're telling me
[18:31] <TJ-> EriC^^: well any really... I've tested here and the EFI-SP is marked write-protected even on a loopdev, and is 100$ full (3.7MB)
[18:31] <TJ-> p0a: don't worry - I'm talking out loud in the hope a solution occurs to one of us here that are used to doing this stuff
[18:32] <EriC^^> TJ-: yeah it's doable i've seen lots of guides online on how to do it for the hybrid tablet/pcs
[18:32] <EriC^^> i think i've guided a few through end parts of the guide and such, worked for them
[18:33] <TJ-> EriC^^: p0a  OK I've got into it, need to mount partition 2 not 1, but it is 100% full so need to ensure it'll take the other file after the current files are removed
[18:34] <p0a> TJ-: let me try
[18:35] <p0a> TJ-: so first delete grubx64.efi ?
[18:35] <TJ-> p0a: it seems to have worked
[18:35] <p0a> or both 64.efi files?
[18:35] <TJ-> p0a: "sudo rm /mnt/efi/boot/*x64.efi; sudo cp grubia32.efi /mnt/efo/boot/bootia32.efi; umount /mnt; sync"
[18:36] <TJ-> p0a: assuming you've got it at /mnt/ mountpoint
[18:36] <TJ-> err and correct my typos, /mnt/efi/boot/bootia32.efi not 'efo' :)
[18:37] <p0a> go tit
[18:37] <TJ-> p0a: this isn't guaranteed to work since that file is usually built on-demand on the installed system based on how the installation is configured (LUKS, partition types, lvm, file-system types, etc.)
[18:38] <TJ-> p0a: it's supposed to be monolithic so hopefully contains all the required modules
[18:38] <p0a> TJ-: what I'm trying to do is debug windows
[18:38] <p0a> TJ-: using a linux live cd. incredible
[18:38] <TJ-> p0a: :D
[18:39] <p0a> TJ-: okay grub loaded, but it's a shell
[18:39] <TJ-> p0a: well that's better than nothing! proves we got part of it correct
[18:40] <TJ-> p0a: first "ls" to discover devices and partitions, then "set" and check what 'root' and 'prefix' are set to
[18:40] <TJ-> p0a: we may not be able to get further than this; very much depends on which modules were built into this core image
[18:40] <RadSurfer> GoneViral :: you here?
[18:41] <p0a> root=hd0,msdos2     prefix=(hd0,msdos2)/EFI/ubuntu
[18:41] <p0a> TJ-: further than I'd ever go. I've no idea what is going on
[18:41] <p0a> all I know is that Asus did something silly with that 32-bit firmware
[18:42] <RadSurfer> anyone aware of using Snowball USB microphone causing lock-up issues in Ubuntu on Ryzen3?
[18:42] <TJ-> p0a: hmmm, strange it didn't read anything from the prefix. Check what files are there with "ls $prefix/" -- do you see a grub.cfg
[18:43] <TJ-> p0a: I'm thinking that this core image needs access to the 32-bit modules... which are NOT in that ISO image, and there's no space to add those
[18:44] <p0a> TJ-: okay well let's abandon this project
[18:45] <TJ-> p0a: you could create a basic ia32 grub bootable USB but it's a bit of a hassle to rescue Windows!
[18:46] <p0a> is there a 32-bit iso I can use
[18:46] <p0a> for ubuntu?
[18:48] <p0a> k I got 16.04 32-bit
[18:48] <TJ-> p0a: you know I've not checked if the 32-bit ISO actually has the 32-bit UEFI support.
[18:49] <zutat> p0a: you could try with fedora if linux actually works on that thing, before installing ubuntu. they've had support for 32-bit uefi on 64-bit for years now
[18:50] <p0a> zutat: I am trying 16.04 32-bit now
[18:50] <p0a> and I want to see if it works
[18:50] <zutat> p0a: is it one of those low-spec small screen devices?
[18:51] <p0a> yeah zutat
[18:51] <p0a> one of those nightmares
[18:51] <zutat> p0a: those work quite well with 5.3 or newer kernels. i think 16.04 might even be unstable on it
[18:52] <p0a> zutat: I can't boot from usb because of 32-bit firmware
[18:52] <p0a> (im just repeating what im told because ive no idea what is going on)
[18:52] <p0a> its an old device, might work
[18:55] <TJ-> p0a: the 16.04 i386 ISOs only boot in legacy/BIOS mode using syslinux. Cannot find an 18.04 i386 image
[18:55] <p0a> TJ-: but what does that mean?
[18:55] <p0a> I am not set on the version. 16.04 is fine, I just want to debug windows like I said
[18:56] <p0a> for someone who uses that stuff, not me
[18:56] <TJ-> p0a: are you able to tell your Asus to boot in Legacy/BIOS/CSM mode or does it only do UEFI boot?
[18:56] <p0a> TJ-: I didn't see such an option
[18:56] <p0a> I looked all over the bios menu
[18:57] <TJ-> p0a: I've jsut checked the Lubuntu i386 installer; it only has syslinux on, so no UEFI boot support of any kind
[18:57] <p0a> TJ-: so you're saying I can't do it?
[18:58] <TJ-> p0a: so I'm afraid we don't have an installer with UEFI ia32 bootloader on it
[18:58] <RadSurfer> IMPORTANT: Please has anyone else suffered serious LOCK-UP issues using a SNOWBALL ICE USB MICROPHONE? Seems these lock-ups only occur after using this microphone?
[18:58] <RadSurfer> I am forced to power down PC, I don't want to corrupt hdd doing that!
[19:00] <p0a> RadSurfer: so your issue is what to do now that the computer is frozen? Or how to avoid these freezes in the future?
[19:00] <kostkon> !reisub | RadSurfer
[19:01] <RadSurfer> like to understand WHERE/WHY it freezes. Apparently AFTER having used Snowball Ice USB Microphone.
[19:01] <RadSurfer> Microphone works "perfectly" when in use, it is AFTERWARDS these lock-ups occur!
[19:04] <RadSurfer> I wonder if I should be checking SETUP to see if USB microphone was "released" or unmounted properly?
[19:10] <RadSurfer> should have any ideas, please let me know /msg RadSurfer, thanks
[19:14] <MarkB2> Just downloaded LibreOffice ... and it was supplied as a tar.gz file.  Unpacked the tar.gz and have a DEBS directory and a readmes directory.  The DEBS directory has 42 separate DEB files.  Run dpkg -i on all of them?  Are they convertable to APT format?
[19:15] <ktosiek> apt works with .deb packages, so they don't need to be converted. Where did you get that file?
[19:15] <MarkB2> Fresh download from the LibreOffice download site.
[19:16] <RadSurfer> why not from repository, MarkB2?
[19:16] <NissanGTR_FanBoy> MarkB2: try to reboot the computer, it will solve the issue
[19:16] <ktosiek> MarkB2: do you need a specific version of LO? Otherwise it's better to use a repository
[19:17] <MarkB2> Because last night I ran an update from the repository and it installed a foulup that contaminated LibreOffice.  Was online with Bashing-om for TWO hours cleaning up the mess.
[19:17] <ktosiek> LibreOffice is available in Ubuntu, so you can just `sudo apt install libreoffice`
[19:18] <NissanGTR_FanBoy> ktosiek: why not snap install libreoffice ?
[19:18] <NissanGTR_FanBoy> apt has been deprecated by snap, no?
[19:18] <MarkB2> Yes, it's available.  Yes, it updated and installed a module that caused a dependency disaster.
[19:19] <kostkon> NissanGTR_FanBoy, supplemented not replaced
[19:19] <ktosiek> NissanGTR_FanBoy: no, but a snap might be better for this case
[19:19] <NissanGTR_FanBoy> Ok
[19:20] <NissanGTR_FanBoy> alias apt='snap'
[19:20] <NissanGTR_FanBoy> I added it in my bashrc...
[19:20] <Ortzi> In Teeworlds game when I click "Play" for server list  I loose my wifi connection in Ubuntu GNU / Linux, why?
[19:20] <ktosiek> MarkB2: installing with snap shouldn't affect other packages, so that might work better.
[19:21] <MarkB2> ktosiek: The dependency issue is with LibreOffice from repository, not a dependency issue with non-LibreOffice packages.
[19:23] <ktosiek> snap installs each application separately, so there will be no dependency issues.
[19:24] <Ortzi> is it normal to loose WIFI connection in Ubuntu just because listing servers inside a game like Teeworlds???
[19:24] <Ortzi> O_o
[19:25] <MarkB2> ktosiek: I will repeat: The problem is NOT with non-LibreOffice applications.  The REPOSITORY has a hiccup and installed a BAD update causing a dependency within LibreOffice itself.  Installing via snap means ?what? to install a dependency fault?
[19:25] <ktosiek> Ortzi: it sounds pretty strange
[19:25] <Ortzi> ktosiek, where can I seearch for the problem?
[19:25] <MarkB2> What I am trying to do is install from the LibreOffice download, hoping they don't have the dependency problem that the Ubuntu repository has.
[19:26] <ktosiek> MarkB2: you can just `sudo dpkg -i *.deb` in that directory, and see what dependencies are missing
[19:26] <Ortzi> ktosiek, Indeed wifi seems to be connected but doesnt work
[19:26] <Ortzi> ktosiek, then I reconnect and works
[19:26] <ktosiek> but this way you won't get updates for LO
[19:26] <Ortzi> happens 90%
[19:27] <MarkB2> ktosiek: There are dependencies within the ordering of DEB files to install.  Must be an index file somewhere telling dpkg which goes in what order.
[19:27] <exit70> what is the command to get back to menu if i got dropped to grub shell?
[19:28] <ktosiek> I think you can install multiple .deb files at once, and dpkg should handle the ordering. But if those debs depend on something else, then dpkg will refuse installing them.
  You mean I should blindly try   dpkg -i *.deb ??
[19:29] <ktosiek> oh, apparently it doesn't sort them :-C
[19:29] <ktosiek> but yeah, that should work.
[19:29] <exit70> gdebi is always better than dpkg -i in my experience
[19:31] <MarkB2> I love this one: --n Run non-interactive (dangerous!)   from the gdebi manpage.
[19:32] <MarkB2> dpkg failed.
[19:33] <exit70> dpkg has no idea about apt. but gdebi do.
[19:34] <Ortzi> In Teeworlds game when I click "Play" for server list  I loose my wifi connection in Ubuntu GNU / Linux, why?
[19:34] <ducasse> you can use apt too, apt install ./filename.deb
[19:36] <exit70> apt install foo.deb is a very recent addition? cannot remember which version.
[19:37] <tomreyn> Ortzi: maybe your systemlogs do?
[19:37] <ducasse> it's been there a while, but i don't think apt-get supports it. remember to use absolute path
[19:37] <tomreyn> Ortzi: ...do know
[19:38] <Ortzi> Mar 29 21:35:15 Ubuntu-VN7-791G wpa_supplicant[1420]: wlp7s0: Reject scan trigger since one is already pending
[19:38] <Ortzi> maybe that?
[19:38] <tomreyn> might be related
[19:39] <tomreyn> it's unusual for an application to handle network connectivity
[19:39] <tomreyn> i mean its unusual for an application such as teeworlds
[19:39] <tomreyn> i'm not yet sure that's what's happening, though
[19:40] <Ortzi> tomreyn,
[19:40] <Ortzi> Mar 29 21:32:58 Ubuntu-VN7-791G steam.desktop[26522]: [2020-03-29 21:32:58][chat]: -1: : *** 'Kaptar' entered and joined the game
[19:40] <MarkB2> Ah.  Fixed.  Installed.
[19:40] <Ortzi> is it normal to see the console of the game in var/log/system ? xDDD
[19:40] <MarkB2> Wow.  It came up fast!
[19:41] <Ortzi> that is the console Teeworlds
[19:41] <Ortzi> O_o
[19:45] <jjbuggle> I have a new ssd drive, and I'm worried about the level of writes that firefox does.  Supposedly, it can write out 20g a day, and that can eat up the life of an ssd.  This is a second drive, so in theory, I could keep the hdd that I have.  Maybe keep /home on that disk, and ssd for everything else?  Anyone else deal with this?
[19:46] <oerheks> jjbuggle, whitespots are long gone.
[19:46] <RadSurfer> ANYONE know if theres an "official" Discord (Chat/video) package for Ubuntu?
[19:46] <oerheks> rad, on snapcraft
[19:46] <oerheks> https://snapcraft.io/discord
[19:46] <exit70> my q again, what is the command to get back to menu if i got dropped to grub shell?
[19:47] <jjbuggle> oerheks: what are whitespots?
[19:47] <grawity> do you know how many TBw is your new SSD rated for, and have you looked into the amount of writes that the current Firefox version does on your HDD?
[19:47] <jjbuggle> exit70: maybe you are looking for alt+f7?
[19:47] <oerheks> jjbuggle, writing that leads to wearing and tearing
[19:47] <jeremy31> exit70: exit
[19:48] <exit70> on my system, exit leads to effective "boot device not found"
[19:49] <jjbuggle> the warranty is 5 years or 300TBW
[19:49] <p0a> jjbuggle: you could also have firefox only use the RAM I believe
[19:50] <p0a> but as someone said whitespots are not a thing to worry about
[19:50] <grawity> worst case, 300 TB / 20 GB/day = 41 years or so
[19:50] <exit70> also weird on my setup is that, if the nvidia driver fails, the monitor would be turned off after grub ...
[19:50] <grawity> even though I find it hard to believe at first that Firefox would actually write that much
[19:50] <jjbuggle> grawity: lolz, ok, probably don't need to worry than.
[19:50] <p0a> grawity: them style.css's
[19:51] <jjbuggle> thanks all
[19:51] <exit70> i fixed it yesterday after entering recovery and reinstall the driver. i don't always press right amount to of esc to get the menu (rather than shell)
[19:52] <jjbuggle> grawity: it is a thing where firefox saves all data of open windows/tabs.  It is stored in one big json file, and it writes that file, by default, every 15 seconds.  I reduced it to every 15 minutes approximately.  But anyway, I think I won't worry about it
[19:54] <grawity> does it write even if there are no changes whatsoever?
[19:55] <grawity> I'd kinda expect it to just be a commit timer, "no more than 15s since last change"
[19:56] <jjbuggle> grawity: here is the page I think I first read: https://www.servethehome.com/firefox-is-eating-your-ssd-here-is-how-to-fix-it/
[19:57] <jjbuggle> grawity: firefox does have an idle setting, so it is only for changes.  Anyway, the issue is a bit of a rabbit hole.  Good luck
[20:05] <RadSurfer> Logged into https://discordapp.com/ , spent 5 minutes on there with Snowball iCE USB mic connected, properly logged off, then disconnected Mic. Settings/Sound shows Snowball no longer connected, all blank. Will this lock up after a few minutes?
[20:06] <RadSurfer> if this would to prove an issue here, can this become an OFFICIAL hardware issue that might have someone actually look into what is going on?
[20:07] <oerheks> RadSurfer,  discord is a binairy blob, we have no control.
[20:07] <oerheks> check sound settings, terminal: alsamixer
[20:08] <RadSurfer> issue with when I disconnecet microphone, however...
[20:08] <RadSurfer> about 6 minutes have passed.... still waiting
[20:09] <oerheks> good luck with that.
[20:09] <RadSurfer> I like this new microphone, every1 says it sounds good! But why is Ubuntu/Ryzen3 hanging! .&. it stays like that >30mins
[20:09] <RadSurfer> so it is a problem.
[20:10] <RadSurfer> Use this microphone ONLY with Audactiy, and examine what happens. Proving its not firefox interaction. I should do that test.
[20:11] <RadSurfer> And why a delay factor?
[20:12] <oerheks> checkc dmesg?
[20:12] <oerheks> https://www.linuxtechi.com/10-tips-dmesg-command-linux-geeks/
[20:13] <RadSurfer> Did a big listing yesterday, and no obvious errors/problems I could spot.
[20:13] <RadSurfer> But what do I know.
[20:32] <aaronxn> What IRC apps / tech do you all use? I'm running HexChat via ZNC. Any better ideas?
[20:33] <myself> I'm here via TheLounge running on a raspi in my basement, accessing it through the browser on my laptop
[20:33] <RadSurfer> HexChat install from repository, works great.
[20:33] <myself> I keep meaning to try Convos
[20:34] <kostkon> aaronxn, hexchat snap
[20:35] <aaronxn> @myself interesting - TheLounge - never heard of it until now
[20:35] <myself> So, I'm trying to install http://xoscope.sourceforge.net/ and the ./configure script is telling me "Package requirements (gtk+-2.0 >= 2.2) were not met: No package 'gtk+-2.0' found" and when I "apt list gtk" I'm confused about which I should be installing, there's nothing by that exact name.
[20:35] <myself> aaronxn: I love it, there's a #thelounge on freenode too, very helpful folks
[20:36] <aaronxn> interesting
[20:38] <myself> So then I find my way to https://launchpad.net/gtk and I'm no less confused. Is this stuff not in apt? or which one is the package I need, because there are dozens of them?
[20:39] <aaronxn> idk. wish I did. :(
[20:40] <oerheks> maybe a better vieuw; https://launchpad.net/gtk/+packages
[20:40] <myself> Or, I should phrase it another way: How would a more experienced user find their way; what should I be searching for to understand this better?
[20:40] <oerheks> or install synaptic, a better detailed software gui
[20:40] <oerheks> !info synaptic
[20:40] <myself> oerheks: thank you, that shows all gtk3 and gtk4 stuff; will those satisfy a program that's looking for gtk2?
[20:42] <oerheks> myself, look at the errors you get, while installing?
[20:42] <oerheks> there is no broad answer
[20:42] <myself> I pasted the error above,  "Package requirements (gtk+-2.0 >= 2.2) were not met: No package 'gtk+-2.0' found"
[20:44] <oerheks> but the latest is in our repos?
[20:44] <oerheks> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/bionic/+package/xoscope
[20:44] <oerheks> !info xoscope
[20:45] <aaronxn> TIME
[20:45] <aaronxn> time
[20:45] <aaronxn> nvm
[20:46] <myself> wait, what? I swear I tried to apt install xoscope earlier and it couldn't find it.... 🤦 thank you, brainfart
[20:46] <oerheks> it should pull in;
[20:46] <oerheks> libatk1.0-0
[20:46] <oerheks> libc6
[20:46] <oerheks> libcomedi0
[20:46] <oerheks> libesd0
[20:46] <oerheks> libgdk-pixbuf2.0-0
[20:46] <oerheks> libglib2.0-0
[20:46] <myself> Yup, it's running now :) I have no idea what happened. All good now.
[20:47] <myself> now I get to figure out how to pick an input device, but that's not a #ubuntu problem :)
[20:47] <oerheks> :-)
[20:48] <oerheks> oops, made an error
[20:48] <oerheks> anyway, have fun!
[20:51] <ardnew> hi i just installed ubuntu-19.10.1-preinstalled-server-arm64+raspi3.img.xz on a raspberry pi 4 (did not configure anything, just flashed an SD card), and im having trouble connecting to the serial console during boot. it keeps printing gibberish. tried 9600 and 15200, with 2 different USB-UART converters, GPIO 14/15 (TX/RX). is there something else i need to configure before using the serial console?
[21:01] <pavlos> ardnew: I think you need to enable_uart=1 in boot/config.txt and also remove the quiet flag in boot/cmdline.txt ... (from some old notes)
[21:04] <pavlos> ardnew: and I have pin 8 for uart TXD and pin 10 for uart RXD
[21:04] <ardnew> yeah those are the header pin numbers, they are connected to GPIO 14/15
[21:05] <ardnew> i just found this which agrees with your other tips:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/RaspberryPi
[21:05] <ardnew> (under "Boot sequence")
[21:06] <ardnew> your enable_uart=1 is a raspbian config parameter though, i think the ubuntu kernel has uart enabled by default
[21:07] <ardnew> (i think)
[21:08] <ardnew> yeah the ubuntu config.txt already has enable_uart=1
[21:34] <noraatepernos> Is it wrong to think I can install a package named …_.i386.deb on a machine with x86_64 arch?
[21:36] <Kon-> Not if it's a library and you have multilib enabled
[21:37] <noraatepernos> It’s for this and not sure if papertrail is going out of business or what but nobody can tell me https://github.com/papertrail/remote_syslog2/releases
[21:37] <noraatepernos> I got this running on an amd64 arch machine fine with the .deb
[21:37] <noraatepernos> Is there a better remote logging service to use?
[21:47] <ardnew> ok so scouring through the ARM ubuntu boot config.txt, it looks like you can either enable bluetooth and disable the UART serial console, or the opposite, i.e. you can't have both bluetooth and UART serial console both enabled. is that true? no way to be able to use both?
[21:47] <ardnew> (for raspberry pi 4)
[21:48] <ardnew> probably more of a rpi4 question than ubuntu
[21:58] <waveform> ardnew, baud is 115200 on the serial console
[21:58] <waveform> ardnew, you've got the right pins though, and serial console is supported out of the box - no need to change anything in the config
[22:01] <waveform> ardnew, one other thing to note - sometimes relevant - if the USB UART converter has a ground pin (in addition to the RX/TX) make sure to connect that too (to one of the many GND pins on the GPIO header)
[22:18] <ardnew> waveform: ah, thanks, i was just connecting TX/RX
[22:22] <waveform> ardnew, sometimes you can get away with that, but generally it's best not to try :)
[23:50] <freq> try manjaro
[23:53] <oerheks> interesting, do you have an ubuntu support question, freq ?