[00:58] <EggSpurt> guys LAST TIME I install 20 my battery stopped charging and I had to sdend my laptop for repair, is there some bug or was this just a normal hardwares failure? HP did not specify the cause they just sent the laptop back
[00:58] <EggSpurt> does Ubuntu 20 break the firmwarez?
[01:20] <kinghat> is 20.04 supposed to be faster on older systems? I have a core 2 duo Dell laptop
[01:21] <kinghat> it struggles but might toss 20.04 on it and see if it does any better
[01:21] <kinghat> think I have neon on it currently
[01:29] <Bashing-om> kinghat: (x)ubuntu 20.04 does adbirably for me on this ole dual core Athlon system.
[01:30] <Bashing-om> *admire
[01:30] <kinghat> never used xubuntu
[01:31] <kinghat> stay away from stock?
[01:33] <Bashing-om> kinghat: Just say'n - For my mind set xfce for the DE works well.
[01:33] <kinghat> 👌 I'll give her a go
[01:34] <kinghat> what's xfce built on?
[01:36] <Bashing-om> kinghat: xubuntu is ubuntu with xfce as the DE.
[01:41] <kinghat> i just meant what is it built on, Qt?
[01:42] <kinghat> anyways i think i was running the laptop OS off a usb stick vs the hdd inside it
[01:44] <Bashing-om> kinghat: Do not recall the build - running on a USB stick will be slow as the USB speed is that limiting factor.
[01:56] <kinghat> ew centrino 2 😂
[02:00] <kinghat> I think I was using the USB stick as the drive so the laptop didn't get so hot
[02:06] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[02:19] <kinghat> o/
[02:19] <kinghat> it's got SATA.. wonder if I can replace this things HDD for small SSD
[02:19] <lotuspsychje> hey kinghat 
[02:20] <kinghat> just installing xubunto 20 on this old af Dell laptop
[02:22] <kinghat> xubuntu
[02:26] <Bashing-om> kinghat: Well - I did replace my HDD with a SSD , got to enable AHCI, can  be a real trick to figure out how on old hardware.
[02:27] <kinghat> ya that's what SATA is currently set to in the BIOS. I had to get in there for a sec.
[02:31] <kinghat> should just pop in a x86 SOC in the cavity and figure out how to use the laptops screen and keyboard.
[02:31] <kinghat> there battery is already shot and I just run it off direct power
[02:34] <kinghat> the*
[02:36] <aliendude5300> Not sure if known bug, but Dash to Dock settings does not work on stock Ubuntu 12.04 installation. If you right click the "Show Applications",  click settings, it'll trigger an error indicating gnome-shell-extension-prefs is missing. 
[02:38] <aliendude5300> 20.04** Not 12.04. I've been using Ubuntu for a long time, and must have gotten some wires crossed lol
[02:39] <aliendude5300> I am guessing gnome-shell-extension-ubuntu-dock is the package a bug should be filed against?
[02:45] <kinghat> now I remember why I stopped with this laptop, the wifi died and failed to connect
[03:06] <kinghat> and I'm getting wifi through my phone's BT
[04:18] <EggSpurt> kinghat if you want fast look into Clear Linux
[04:19] <EggSpurt> actually i find Ubuntu, even full Kubuntu quite usable even on old systems
[04:19] <EggSpurt> if its 64 bit it'll go
[04:21] <kinghat> yeah it surprisingly is 64bit
[04:21] <kinghat> trying Ubuntu focal atm
[04:58] <lotuspsychje> psymin: awake?
[05:21] <psymin> lotuspsychje, yes
[05:22] <lotuspsychje> psymin: tell me how the fix worked out with that libpango?
[05:22] <lotuspsychje> my apt is giving error too now
[05:22] <psymin> worked great
[05:22] <psymin> I downloaded two debs, did dpkg -i on them, and we're golden
[05:23] <lotuspsychje> how can i purge that manual minecraft deb?
[05:23] <psymin> apt remove minecraft-launcher
[05:23] <psymin> I think
[05:24] <lotuspsychje> tnx tat worked
[05:24] <lotuspsychje> apt going again :p
[05:25] <psymin> or apt --fix-broken install
[05:25] <lotuspsychje> tnx for updating that bug
[07:31] <lotuspsychje> good morning pmjdebruijn 
[07:31] <pmjdebruijn> hi folks, does anybody know whether there is an alternate installer ISO for 20.04 already?
[07:31] <lotuspsychje> pmjdebruijn: currently the new server installer is being revamped
[07:33] <lotuspsychje> not tested myself, but this should be the new installer method: https://linuxconfig.org/ubuntu-20-04-server-installation
[07:34] <pmjdebruijn> oh, _that's_ the installer I don't want
[07:34] <lotuspsychje> i see, maybe tomreyn or ducasse might know ^
[07:34] <pmjdebruijn> the old debian installer simply did not need replacement really
[07:35] <pmjdebruijn> and there's installer customization we did, that we'd like to keep using
[07:35] <lotuspsychje> <tomreyn> i would also assume that http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/daily/current/focal-server-amd64.iso (779MB) is debian-installer (which you could try) and http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/daily-live/current/focal-live-server-amd64.iso (911M) is subiquity (the 'new' default installer you have supposedly tried so far). both were built on march 29, 2020.
[07:36] <pmjdebruijn> aaaah
[07:38] <pmjdebruijn> also, I noticed removing cloud-init also removes the ubuntu-server metapackage, which seems a bit bizarre
[07:39] <lotuspsychje> im more the desktop guy, so dont know that one pmjdebruijn 
[07:40] <pmjdebruijn> thanks for the hint to the isos!
[07:41] <lotuspsychje> credits to tomreyn :p
[07:45] <lotuspsychje> pmjdebruijn: there is also a current testing team for 20.04 available in #ubuntu-quality if you want to help/share bugs
[07:46] <pmjdebruijn> possibly, let do an install first
[07:47] <lotuspsychje> sure thing, good luck!
[07:54] <lotuspsychje> !info konsole
[07:54] <ubottu> konsole (source: konsole): X terminal emulator. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:19.12.3-0ubuntu1 (focal), package size 732 kB, installed size 3874 kB
[08:53] <luna_> hey
[09:08] <alkisg> libpango1.0-0 is now libpangox-1.0-0 so "anydesk" has dependency failures. Should I file a bug for the renamed package to "Provides:the-old-one", or should I just create a fake package to satisfy anydesk?
[09:09] <RikMills> alkisg: bug already exists and fix is currently in proposed pocket and hopefully migrating before the beta
[09:09] <alkisg> Great, thank you RikMills
[09:09] <RikMills> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pango1.0/+bug/1869716
[09:09] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1869716 in pango1.0 (Ubuntu) "Removing libpango1.0-0 broke Minecraft Launcher " [High,Fix committed]
[10:20] <lotuspsychje> welcome halvors 
[10:20] <halvors> Ubuntu just uninstalled all the kernels, why did it do that?
[10:21] <lotuspsychje> halvors: can you pastebin what apt did exactly please?
[10:22] <halvors> I'm unsure when that happend.
[10:22] <lotuspsychje> halvors: lets see what gives: sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade
[10:23] <halvors> no packages to install
[10:23] <lotuspsychje> uname -a ?
[10:25] <halvors> 5.4.0-18-generic, but that doesn't exist anymore.-
[10:25] <halvors> I did not reboot.
[10:25] <lotuspsychje> halvors: can you pastebin your dpkg log?
[10:30] <halvors> lotuspsychje: Seems the reason somehow is that i installed the latest kernel from the mainline kernel ppa. But that would not remove the 5.4 kernel right? https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/fHS8QqwkSJ/
[10:32] <lotuspsychje> halvors: try to reinstall current official kernel for 20.04, then sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade after to see what it does
[10:32] <lotuspsychje> !info linux-image-generic
[10:32] <ubottu> linux-image-generic (source: linux-meta): Generic Linux kernel image. In component main, is optional. Version 5.4.0.18.22 (focal), package size 2 kB, installed size 17 kB
[10:33] <halvors> lotuspsychje: It says it is already installed, but update-grub does not list it.
[10:33] <lotuspsychje> hmm
[10:33] <lotuspsychje> halvors: was this a clean install 20.04 or upgrade?
[10:33] <halvors> it was clean
[10:35] <lotuspsychje> halvors: what about if you try to purge the current kernel, what does apt say then?
[10:35] <halvors> lotuspsychje: will try
[10:36] <halvors> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/nPz3P8929z/
[10:37] <halvors> still no packages to install
[10:37] <lotuspsychje> how about sudo apt autoremove
[10:37] <halvors> nothing there either.
[10:38] <lotuspsychje> ok thats weird
[10:38] <lotuspsychje> nothing to install, nothing to purge..
[10:38] <halvors> But it did remove linux-modules-5.4.0-1002-oem earlier
[10:39] <halvors> Installing that package manually does nothing.
[10:39] <lotuspsychje> halvors: are your sources all enabled properly?
[10:39] <halvors> apt sources you mean?
[10:39] <halvors> yes
[10:40] <lotuspsychje> apt policy linux-image-generic ?
[10:44] <halvors> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Pt9qGXrVR3/
[10:44] <lotuspsychje> says its installed
[10:45] <luna_> RikMills: thanks for the information over Telegram
[10:45] <halvors> yes, question is why it's not being picked up by grub?
[10:45] <lotuspsychje> halvors: did you sudo update-grub correctly?
[10:47] <halvors> Yes. https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/PHWPcqkxN8/
[10:47] <lotuspsychje> weird it still picks one of your mainlines
[10:48] <halvors> yes
[10:49] <lotuspsychje> halvors: ah maybe it didnt install your headers n all?
[10:49] <halvors> the 5.4 kernel?
[10:49] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[10:50] <lotuspsychje> apt policy linux-headers-5.4.0-14-generic
[10:50] <halvors> that does not exist, but why did apt remove it?
[10:50] <halvors> it's just a clean install with mainline kernel installed on top of it.
[10:51] <lotuspsychje> halvors: that can happen sometimes with messing with mainline kernels, i also had that once
[10:51] <lotuspsychje> i had to reinstall source, image and headers couple of times till grub showed it
[10:51] <lotuspsychje> make sure you got all 3 for 5.4
[10:52] <halvors> linux-headers-5.4.0-18-generic is installed
[10:54] <lotuspsychje> linux-generic* linux-image-generic*
[10:56] <lotuspsychje> then sudo update-grub again
[10:58] <halvors> lotuspsychje: Think i'll just reinstall ubuntu and take a snapshot to easily rollback to installed state.
[10:58] <halvors> And then start experimenting
[10:59] <halvors> All the linux-generic, linux-headers and linux-image-generic is installed.
[10:59] <halvors> packages*
[10:59] <lotuspsychje> no dice?
[11:01] <halvors> lotuspsychje: dice?
[11:02] <lotuspsychje> halvors: i mean no luck with grub?
[11:03] <halvors> doesn't seem that way
[11:03] <halvors> one thing i noticed was it was only 1 kernel installed.
[11:03] <halvors> usually it's 2
[11:03] <halvors> but that is maybe just because of updates?
[11:07] <lotuspsychje> maybe some glitch by playing with mainline
[11:11] <halvors> lotuspsychje: thanks for help, will look more into it after fresh installed
[11:11] <lotuspsychje> allrighty
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[11:35] <nael_n> When I select multiple images and/or videos and press enter, eog opens the images in as many windows, and totem opens only one video. In the previous release I used (18.04), the files were opened in a sort of gallery/playlist instead. Is the new behavior normal? Or is it a bug?
[11:35] <nael_n> (Either way it's inconvenient)
[11:43] <lotuspsychje> nael_n: both tested, image viewer & vlc here, 2 windows jump open, no playlist
[11:45] <lotuspsychje> so seems like normal
[11:48] <luna_> is to afriad to reboot my PC with 20.04 as i am stuck in UK
[11:48] <luna_> kinda hard to ssh in to Swedish if the reboot fails
[11:51] <st-gourichon-f> Hi. On previous Ubuntu, on program crash I had option to see details, like https://tipsonubuntu.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/disable-error-report.jpg . Now no option appears, just cancel or report, like https://www.linuxbabe.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/ubuntu-disable-error-reporting.png . Why? How can I get back the option? (Of course I searched the net, checked in /etc, did some dpkg-reconfigure -plow whoopsie 
[11:51] <st-gourichon-f> apport apport-gtk, no progress). Thanks for any hint.
[11:51] <nael_n> lotuspschje: thanks for confirming. I meant is this new behavior a feature that the programmers willingly implemented? It's so inconvenient I'm surprised it's a thing
[11:53] <lotuspsychje> nael_n: i never actually tested that on 18.04 so not sure
[11:54] <nael_n> k thx
[11:54] <lotuspsychje> st-gourichon-f: crashes goes to /var/crash
[11:54] <lotuspsychje> st-gourichon-f: then if you found a faulty package to bug, use ubuntu-bug packagename
[11:55] <lotuspsychje> st-gourichon-f: in systemsettings/diagnostics you can enable/disable manual/auto
[11:56] <lotuspsychje> nael_n: lemme test that on my bionic box holdon
[11:59] <lotuspsychje> nael_n: ok on bionic, pictures opened 2 windows, but in totem it added both video's in the same window, playing it behind each other
[12:01] <lotuspsychje> nael_n: and totem on 20.04 only opens 1 video
[12:03] <nael_n> lotuspsychje: OK thanks. This change of behavior is a bit weird. I don't know what to think. I guess it's voluntary.
[12:04] <lotuspsychje> nael_n: i guess its not logic, when selecting multiple vids it only opens one
[12:04] <lotuspsychje> nael_n: if you file the bug, ill affect it
[12:06] <nael_n> If I remember correctly the whole playlist feature was removed from Totem wasn't it? Perhaps it's the reason
[12:07] <lotuspsychje> nael_n: starting totem, you can add video's to the main screen, then play them
[12:08] <lotuspsychje> but even then, one would suspect selecting multiple from nautilus, would at least add them to the main screen?
[12:09] <lotuspsychje> maybe its something they didnt think of?
[12:16] <nael_n> lotuspsychje: alright I finally found it: the issue has been present from before 18.04 contrary to what I erroneously remembered, and it's actually an upstream bug in Nautilus, that stems from Flatpak compatibility or something. So it's been here for years and it doesn't look like it's going away any time soon
[12:17] <nael_n> Launchpad bug 1730231 and upstream bug https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/nautilus/issues/117
[12:17] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1730231 in nautilus (Ubuntu) "Nautilus opens for every mediafile a seperate player when selecting a group of files and pressing Enter" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1730231
[12:19] <lotuspsychje> !info nautilus bionic
[12:19] <ubottu> nautilus (source: nautilus): file manager and graphical shell for GNOME. In component main, is optional. Version 1:3.26.4-0~ubuntu18.04.5 (bionic), package size 790 kB, installed size 3647 kB
[12:20] <lotuspsychje> nael_n: whats weird, is on bionic pictures opened twice, but totem grouped my videos
[12:20] <lotuspsychje> so this bug depends on filetypes?
[12:21] <nael_n> Or on the application that is launched? Does VLC on Bionic also group your videos?
[12:21] <lotuspsychje> lemme test that on bionic vlc
[12:24] <lotuspsychje> nael_n: lol, vlc does something even weirder, opens 2 windows, plays 1 video and 1 empty black window with timeline
[12:24] <lotuspsychje> same on 20.04
[12:25] <nael_n> urghhh
[12:25] <lotuspsychje> this is ugly
[12:26] <nael_n> I don't know if it's worth reporting those differences in behavior just now. Perhaps best to wait for the upstream bug to be fixed, and then see what remains broken
[12:26] <lotuspsychje> nael_n: i also found a similar bug with gnome-books, when clicking an epub it does not launch program
[12:27] <lotuspsychje> bug #1869667
[12:27] <ubottu> bug 1869667 in gnome-books (Ubuntu) "Open .epub ebook does not launch gnome-books" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1869667
[12:28] <lotuspsychje> works same as totem, you need to open program, then add your files local first, or place them in documents
[12:31] <nael_n> I can't confirm sorry, I never use ebooks
[12:32] <lotuspsychje> dont worry, was just to show the link between nautilus and the program is not really thinked about well
[12:34] <pmjdebruijn> https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/server-installer-plans-for-20-04-lts/13631 anybody know if that's going to be true for the final 20.04 release
[12:36] <pmjdebruijn> d-i partman-auto/expert_recipe seems to be broken in the debian-installer version of the 20.04 isos
[12:37] <lotuspsychje> think that will be the idea yeah pmjdebruijn, but as always we will need to wait till final, to see wich features made it, and wich not
[12:38] <lotuspsychje> mostly around release times, a lot of news comes out features made, or being pushed till next release, 20.10 in our case
[12:38] <pmjdebruijn> any clue of the automation is already present in subiquity?
[12:38] <pmjdebruijn> if*
[12:39] <lotuspsychje> sorry havent tested it myself
[12:39] <pmjdebruijn> with automation the new crappy ui doesn't matter as much
[12:40] <lotuspsychje> in this stage, its a game of testing a lot of daily's to see new features, as things get worked on daily
[12:42] <lotuspsychje> pmjdebruijn: soon beta will come, more stable testing comes along
[13:17] <lotuspsychje> welcome TR1950X 
[13:17] <TR1950X> what kernel version is 2020.04 gonna be on? 
[13:17] <lotuspsychje> see the schedule in the topic TR1950X 
[13:20] <hggdh> TR1950X: 5.4
[13:34] <st-gourichon-f> lotuspsychje, I have seen the crashes in /var/crash.  In understand that if I can guess the package name from the file in /var/crash I can get the details. Thanks.
=== acheronuk is now known as RikMills
[14:35] <Histo> Is there a setting to get tilde to function normally in 20.04?  I can't type tilde in terminal or anywhere it's really annoying
[14:35] <Histo> Pressing tilde button does some weird focus thing and you can't do any input until pressing it again.
[14:36] <Histo> I'd like to be able to cd tilde in terminal again....
[14:41] <Histo> Anyone home?
[14:42] <lotuspsychje> !patience | Histo 
[14:42] <ubottu> Histo: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. While you wait, try searching https://help.ubuntu.com or https://ubuntuforums.org or https://askubuntu.com/
[14:43] <Histo> Has anyone experienced this issue or shall I file a bug?
[14:53] <histo> Okay tried under a different user and the key types a backtick not a tilde by default so there is something specific to my user that is causing weird behavior of the itilde key
[15:03] <histo> Anyone on a US keyboard in 20.04 if you press the tilde key does it type a backtick or a tilde?
[15:05] <hggdh> tilde (US/International)
[15:06] <histo> Why would mine type a backtick by default?
[15:07] <hggdh> perhaps wrong layout?
[15:08] <histo> @hggdh do you know whwere to change the layout?
[15:09] <histo> @hggdh under region and language mine is set to English (US)
[15:11] <histo> Is there some other setting I should be looking for?  This is a default install on a lenovo
[15:11] <histo> laptop
[15:15] <histo> Both english (us) internation and english (us) type a backtick instead of a tilde. You have to press shfit + backtick to type a tidle
[15:18] <histo> Is that normal behavior for US keyboard?  I'm beginning to question my sanity?
[15:18] <psymin> yes `
[15:22] <histo> My gawd I'm losing my marbles````~~~~
[15:22] <histo> Thank you all
[16:47] <luna_> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/ this folder is not updated yet :(
[19:12] <CarlFK> what's a handy URL to tell someone to browse to to get them here using a browser based chat client? 
[19:14] <CarlFK> I kinda remember wechat, I also remember something more ubuntu/canonical based 
[19:15] <oerheks> let them register first with #freenode
[19:28] <CarlFK> using what client?
[19:28] <oerheks> weechat in terminal, hexchat in the desktop, tons of options
[19:29] <oerheks> weechat is like issi a pain to setup.
[19:34] <CarlFK> there are some js ones that are easy to get going with, that's what I am looking for 
[19:35] <CarlFK> maybe weechat isn't one of them.  I might be thinking of kiwiirc.  
[21:12] <halvors> Is Linux 5.5 planned for Ubuntu 20.04 LTS?
[21:17] <rfm> halvors, I don't know of "plans" but it's not there now and this is beta freeze, can't imagine they'd change kernels after beta.
[21:18] <halvors> ok thx
[23:33] <trippeh> man, this ice lake laptop is rough on 20.04