[02:38] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[05:38] <pavlushka> the sound goes standby instantly on 20.04, was not the case for 1804!
[06:31] <CarlFK32> in syslog, saw this: python3: Libgcrypt warning: missing initialization - please fix the application
[06:32] <CarlFK> should I file a bug?
[06:45] <CarlFK32> gnome-shell[1232]: An active wireless connection, in infrastructure mode, involves no access point?
[06:46] <CarlFK> that's what I am interested in.  wifi sometimes takes 5 min to settle down and stay connected 
[08:49] <pavlushka> the sound signal tunrs of sending the speaker in zzzz mode as it happens in standby mode instantly after palying any sound on 20.04, was not the case for 1804!
[08:49] <pavlushka> *the sound signal turns off sending the speaker in zzzz mode as it happens in standby mode instantly after palying any sound on 20.04, was not the case for 1804!
[09:52] <Haxxa> Is 20.04 still on schedule?
[09:52] <Haxxa> no changes?
[11:16] <lotuspsychje> untakenstupidnic: xorg is still default on 20.04
[11:17] <guiverc> Haxxa, yes 20.04 is still on schedule, no changes have been made, nor are any expected
[11:31]  * pmjdebruijn is disappointed to see chromium becoming a snap
[11:32] <lotuspsychje> yeah a lot of users have the same feeling pmjdebruijn 
[11:33] <lotuspsychje> pmjdebruijn: on 18.04 its still in the repos right?
[11:34] <pmjdebruijn> if I recall correctly
[11:34] <pmjdebruijn> I still use firefox mostly
[11:34] <pmjdebruijn> chromium is basically unusable on 20.04
[11:34] <lotuspsychje> havent tested the snap yet
[11:34] <pmjdebruijn> the start time alone makes it unbreable
[11:35] <pmjdebruijn> but to be honest I don't think snap/flatpak are a particularly great idea to begin with
[11:35] <pmjdebruijn> it sortof kinda nice for commercial vendors, who want to skip on making proper packages
[11:36] <lotuspsychje> a lot of devs choose it, because of its advantages
[11:36] <lotuspsychje> but i think the user should be left the choice
[11:36] <pmjdebruijn> you mean, it's less work
[11:36] <pmjdebruijn> cutting corners usually is less work :)
[11:36] <lotuspsychje> pmjdebruijn: it has several pro's, like its containerized, more secure, easy maintain
[11:36] <pmjdebruijn> but I'll refrain from going on about that, I'm probably not the first to dislike the concept
[11:37] <lotuspsychje> indeed
[11:37] <pmjdebruijn> lotuspsychje: I don't really buy into that, unless it's for untrusted apps
[11:37] <pmjdebruijn> but once you go down that road, it's a slippery slow
[11:38] <pmjdebruijn> but as I said, nice for commercial apps, for vendors who cut corner all the time
[11:38] <lotuspsychje> in some cases snaps can be cool, where you need a latest package, or something apt doesnt has
[11:39] <pmjdebruijn> you mean where people used to just have PPAs :)
[11:39] <lotuspsychje> yeah snaps are similar to adding a ppa, you need to trust the maintainer
[11:40]  * pmjdebruijn maintained a much used PPA for 10 years
[11:40] <pmjdebruijn> lotuspsychje: you always need to trust a maintainer/software author regardless of packaging technology
[11:40] <pmjdebruijn> sure flatpak offers some protection
[11:42] <pmjdebruijn> but that doesn't really replace any trust you need to have 
[11:42] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[11:42] <pmjdebruijn> which is what bothers me the most, is that the advantages are commonly overstated, and the disadvantages are commonly understated
[11:43] <pmjdebruijn> but for distribution of beta builds and stuff appimage usually tends to be a better choice
[11:43] <pmjdebruijn> but oh well
[17:45] <howarth> Anyone having problems with the OpenWeather gnome-shell extensions? I accepted the offer to update today under Ubuntu 19.10 and it no longer appears in the menu. I dist-upgraded to 20.04 to see if that would fix it and it still is broken.
[17:47] <oerheks> did you install gnome-tweak-tool, to enable them?
[17:49] <howarth> Thanks. That worked. Is that a change from 19.10?
[17:52] <howarth> Hmm. Also needed to install gnome-shell-extension-prefs
[17:52] <howarth> Maybe that stuff got purged out with the obsolete/unused packages the dist-upgrade process offered me
[17:54] <howarth> The upgrade was really seamless otherwise
[17:54] <howarth> Now if I could only find out if nouveau has frequency scaling yet for Nvidia GTX680 cards
[19:29] <howarth> Does anyone know exactly where Gnome mounts Google Drive mounts in the 20.04 file system?
[19:30] <Bashing-om> howarth: Does ' gvfs-mount --list ' show the mount ?
[19:34] <howarth> It shows the url for the mount point
[19:35] <howarth> what I am looking for is the location of the local mount points
[19:37] <howarth> Weirdly there isn't much on a google search on that
[19:38] <howarth> Lots of stuff about google-drive-ocamlfuse but nothing about the newer built in support for google drives
[19:48] <howarth> Ah
[19:48] <howarth> It's nested inside of /run/user/1000/gvfs
[19:52] <howarth> Argh, that's just all metadata
[19:52] <howarth> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1137888/how-to-access-mounted-online-accounts-from-filesystem
[19:53] <howarth> Blah
[19:55] <howarth> The suggestion of opening the google drive, selecting a file and using the Properties menu item just brings up a 'google-drive://' prefixed path
[20:10] <CarlFK> is this the place to discuss bugs?  
[21:23] <valorie> CarlFK: as in you need help to report the bugs?
[21:23] <valorie> or do you need to know the packagename
[21:24] <CarlFK> valorie: packaename - I always get hung up on that 
[21:24] <valorie> it will help if you give us the particulars
[21:24] <valorie> what flavor, etc.
[21:24] <valorie> the installer is "ubiquity" for all but Lubuntu
[21:25] <CarlFK70> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/sGh4zP6yYm/
[21:25] <valorie> live session is "casper"
[21:26] <CarlFK> installed to hd, rebooted a few times.   seems to happen more when the box fist boots, but not always.
[21:26] <valorie> I see your paste, but what happens?
[21:27] <valorie> only transient errors are in your paste, from what I see
[21:32] <CarlFK> "wifi disconnects for a few minutes and magically comes back" is about all I got 
[22:16] <CarlFK> valorie: what package should I file a bug against? 
[23:19] <CarlFK> anyone want to offer a package to bug?    else network manager will get attention, and if that isn't it hopefully someone will fix it
[23:42] <FurretUber> Hi, there are two bugs present when using modesetting instead of intel Xorg driver. Would ubuntu-bug xorg be the correct way to report the bugs against the modesetting driver?