[02:38] good morning [05:38] the sound goes standby instantly on 20.04, was not the case for 1804! [06:31] in syslog, saw this: python3: Libgcrypt warning: missing initialization - please fix the application [06:32] should I file a bug? [06:45] gnome-shell[1232]: An active wireless connection, in infrastructure mode, involves no access point? [06:46] that's what I am interested in. wifi sometimes takes 5 min to settle down and stay connected [08:49] the sound signal tunrs of sending the speaker in zzzz mode as it happens in standby mode instantly after palying any sound on 20.04, was not the case for 1804! [08:49] *the sound signal turns off sending the speaker in zzzz mode as it happens in standby mode instantly after palying any sound on 20.04, was not the case for 1804! [09:52] Is 20.04 still on schedule? [09:52] no changes? [11:16] untakenstupidnic: xorg is still default on 20.04 [11:17] Haxxa, yes 20.04 is still on schedule, no changes have been made, nor are any expected [11:31] * pmjdebruijn is disappointed to see chromium becoming a snap [11:32] yeah a lot of users have the same feeling pmjdebruijn [11:33] pmjdebruijn: on 18.04 its still in the repos right? [11:34] if I recall correctly [11:34] I still use firefox mostly [11:34] chromium is basically unusable on 20.04 [11:34] havent tested the snap yet [11:34] the start time alone makes it unbreable [11:35] but to be honest I don't think snap/flatpak are a particularly great idea to begin with [11:35] it sortof kinda nice for commercial vendors, who want to skip on making proper packages [11:36] a lot of devs choose it, because of its advantages [11:36] but i think the user should be left the choice [11:36] you mean, it's less work [11:36] cutting corners usually is less work :) [11:36] pmjdebruijn: it has several pro's, like its containerized, more secure, easy maintain [11:36] but I'll refrain from going on about that, I'm probably not the first to dislike the concept [11:37] indeed [11:37] lotuspsychje: I don't really buy into that, unless it's for untrusted apps [11:37] but once you go down that road, it's a slippery slow [11:38] but as I said, nice for commercial apps, for vendors who cut corner all the time [11:38] in some cases snaps can be cool, where you need a latest package, or something apt doesnt has [11:39] you mean where people used to just have PPAs :) [11:39] yeah snaps are similar to adding a ppa, you need to trust the maintainer [11:40] * pmjdebruijn maintained a much used PPA for 10 years [11:40] lotuspsychje: you always need to trust a maintainer/software author regardless of packaging technology [11:40] sure flatpak offers some protection [11:42] but that doesn't really replace any trust you need to have [11:42] yeah [11:42] which is what bothers me the most, is that the advantages are commonly overstated, and the disadvantages are commonly understated [11:43] but for distribution of beta builds and stuff appimage usually tends to be a better choice [11:43] but oh well [17:45] Anyone having problems with the OpenWeather gnome-shell extensions? I accepted the offer to update today under Ubuntu 19.10 and it no longer appears in the menu. I dist-upgraded to 20.04 to see if that would fix it and it still is broken. [17:47] did you install gnome-tweak-tool, to enable them? [17:49] Thanks. That worked. Is that a change from 19.10? [17:52] Hmm. Also needed to install gnome-shell-extension-prefs [17:52] Maybe that stuff got purged out with the obsolete/unused packages the dist-upgrade process offered me [17:54] The upgrade was really seamless otherwise [17:54] Now if I could only find out if nouveau has frequency scaling yet for Nvidia GTX680 cards [19:29] Does anyone know exactly where Gnome mounts Google Drive mounts in the 20.04 file system? [19:30] howarth: Does ' gvfs-mount --list ' show the mount ? [19:34] It shows the url for the mount point [19:35] what I am looking for is the location of the local mount points [19:37] Weirdly there isn't much on a google search on that [19:38] Lots of stuff about google-drive-ocamlfuse but nothing about the newer built in support for google drives [19:48] Ah [19:48] It's nested inside of /run/user/1000/gvfs [19:52] Argh, that's just all metadata [19:52] https://askubuntu.com/questions/1137888/how-to-access-mounted-online-accounts-from-filesystem [19:53] Blah [19:55] The suggestion of opening the google drive, selecting a file and using the Properties menu item just brings up a 'google-drive://' prefixed path [20:10] is this the place to discuss bugs? [21:23] CarlFK: as in you need help to report the bugs? [21:23] or do you need to know the packagename [21:24] valorie: packaename - I always get hung up on that [21:24] it will help if you give us the particulars [21:24] what flavor, etc. [21:24] the installer is "ubiquity" for all but Lubuntu [21:25] https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/sGh4zP6yYm/ [21:25] live session is "casper" [21:26] installed to hd, rebooted a few times. seems to happen more when the box fist boots, but not always. [21:26] I see your paste, but what happens? [21:27] only transient errors are in your paste, from what I see [21:32] "wifi disconnects for a few minutes and magically comes back" is about all I got [22:16] valorie: what package should I file a bug against? [23:19] anyone want to offer a package to bug? else network manager will get attention, and if that isn't it hopefully someone will fix it [23:42] Hi, there are two bugs present when using modesetting instead of intel Xorg driver. Would ubuntu-bug xorg be the correct way to report the bugs against the modesetting driver?