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 welcome >_Sudo
 welcome @londoed
 FYI, today's kubuntu daily iso install fails: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1869992
 welcome @DarinMiller
 Thanks Yousuf. :)
 will there be yaru qt theme for kubuntu?
 if you install it :D
 @DarinMiller is it limited to just the oem install or does it happen with all installs?
 Every install. I cannot pass the network menu regardless of method of install.
[02:25] <valorie> anyone else running into this in the past few hours?
[02:26] <valorie> I've not heard of it in other chans
 updating my iso now and will try
[02:26] <valorie> yet
 Repeated on 2 different laptops with and without wired network connection.
 just with kubuntu?
 yes.  I can try ubuntu or something else if you want.
 Thanks (re @philipz: welcome >_Sudo)
 @DarinMiller please do if you have them
 running in a VM and didnt have a problem. guess i'll have to run on real hardware :D
 The Ubuntu install is not affected by the Kubuntu network bug (same hw).  However, the Ubuntu installer refused to install to a USB drive.... bug?
 no crash on xubuntu for network menu either
 Looking at the source code for ubi-prepare.py where the error was flagged and as the error code states, self.frontend.ubuntu_drivers is not defined in the class...
[03:54] <valorie> not a coder but that doesn't sound good to me!
[03:54] <valorie> mention that in the bug reports?
 all are welcome to retweet for budgie - https://twitter.com/UbuntuBudgie/status/1245091924047990787
 The embedded classes are 1 step above my python comprehension skills, I am attempting to find where several of the class procs are defined/loaded... If I figure it out, I will definitely provide comment at minimum and preferably a patch.
[04:01] <valorie> nice!
[04:01] <valorie> a patch would move things along tremendously
 thanks! (re @philipz: all are welcome to retweet for budgie - https://twitter.com/UbuntuBudgie/status/1245091924047990787)
 What is difference between this and http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/pending/ (re @popeydc: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/current/)
 grepping all files in the ubiquity package shows the only reference is in ubi-prepare.py.  I suspect code was removed from one of import files, but I do not know how to use LP well enough to discover the commit.  It's getting late here.  I am willing to learn if someone has time to edudoge.
 Good night for now.
 welcome @troyBORG
 Hello.  Downloading Kubuntu right now actually.
 I setup 20.04 UB server on my pi over the weekend.
 How's that running? (re @troyBORG: Hello.  Downloading Kubuntu right now actually.
 I setup 20.04 UB server on my pi over the weekend.)
 How big do you guys usually make your UEFI partitions.  Or do you usually just go with whatever the defualt is?
 so far no issues.  It has only a 1day uptime (as I rebooted it recently).
 But its two docker containers its running are still going.
 Plex, and Homeassistant.
 I don't have HASS controlling anything yet, as I'm still learning how it works
 not sure about the uefi partition, but when i do a wipe disk install, it creates a 100mb boot partition i believe
 My desktop looks like it made a 315 MB EFI.    And it has 314 MB free.
 So I don't think it needs to be that big.  (Wonder why it defaulted to that size?)
 same with the 100mb partition.
 One thing I did notice I guess with the UB server on my Pi.  Is the date and time was way off.  Like a few times I told it to do updates it would say the something about database not ready for like 11 days or something
 Ran a ntpdate and that fixed it.
 Then I throw it in as a crontab to run every 12 hrs or something
 I have a ntp server running on my pfsense so it just a local request

 That was the error I got because the date/time was wrong
 so checking on my VM of xubuntu, the /boot/efi which is /dev/sda1 is 511mb and 1% is used
 only 1.02mb is used
 huh.  So why does Ubuntu have the option to Live boot, or install.
 Where Kubuntu only had live boot?
 Oh.....
 Kubuntu Crashed right when I clicked Install...:
 kubuntu must have decided thats how they wanted the grub menu, but once you do start kubuntu, it goes into the installer
 @DarinMiller mentioned the same thing and he's filed a bug for it (re @troyBORG: )
 https://imgur.com/pGkAUvf.png
 from there you choose which one you want
 yep.  if you click install does it crash for you?
 as mentioned above, the kubuntu crash was reported by @DarinMiller
 its limited to just kubuntu, as it doesnt happen in other flavors
 oh
 For some reason I thought that was a different person that said that.  I'm sorry
 no probs
 have you tried any of the testcases for kubuntu?
 obviously you cant do the installer testcases, but presume they have a live session testcase
 no I havn't.  I don't really use KDE.  I was just wanting to boot it to see how it was looking
 this one http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/408/builds/209966/testcases/1303/results
 we as the installer is crashing, try the live session testcase
 well* as
 if you want to add a test result for the crash, you can do so here - http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/408/builds/209966/testcases/1301/results
 @troyBORG you have a launchpad account?
 no I don't
 well if you wish to do testcases, then you would need one
 login.launchpad.net
 oh I guess I do have one...  gotta reset my password I guess
 well I guess I've had my account for a few years.....:
 i added your info to the bug report - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1869992/comments/8
 2014. interesting
 What version of Ubuntu was out back then?
 14.04
 oh wait 13.10
 I know I had used linux before that though.  I'm pretty sure I used PClinuxOS 07...
 I still have the laptop that I had that running on.
 I'm trying to install something, that worked in Ubuntu.  Not sure if its because I'm in live enviroment that it having a shared libaries error..
 Hmm or maybe it doesn't work in qt base?
 I've only tried it on GNOME and Xfce.
 conky
 there is limited stuff you can install when in live session
 it will run out of space
 says only 48% used
 no idea, but i've hit into running out of space multiple times when i've tried to install a number of apps
 I'm just trying to figure out why it won't load.  it says something about shared library.  I looked it up, and it says I have both dependacies for that library installed.
 So, EFI partitions are usually much bigger than explicitly necessary for a couple reasons. The first and primary being that entries in your EFI space can and will grow over time. They're also built to support entries for more than one system. The more entries for more systems you have, the more space is needed. Other things also pass through this space on some operating systems duri
 So I don't think it needs to be that big.  (Wonder why it defaulted to that size?))
 Also, if you do operate under the expectation that a system will maintain operational for long periods of time, a simple filesystem like FAT32 can't do much to counter this effect, and the reliance of the partition table to do its thing and the slow shrinking typically means things just get pushed further and further in over time.
 Also, if you do operate under the expectation that a system will remain operational for long periods of time, a simple filesystem like FAT32 can't do much to counter this effect, and the reliance of the partition table to do its thing and the slow shrinking typically means things just get pushed further and further in over time. (edited)
 Also, if you do operate under the expectation that a system will remain operational for long periods of time, a simple filesystem like FAT32 can't do much to counter things like SSD degrading, and the reliance of the partition table to do its thing and the slow shrinking typically means things just get pushed further and further in over time. (edited)
 @schykle watching you now on the last BDLL ;D
 Ooh yeah :3 Those are great chats. Good bunch of people!
 I recognized your name from BDL
 Ubuntu on Schykle - https://youtu.be/p5xsWPy1_V4?t=3765
 Got my Conky running in Kubutu.  Looks good..:
 Ooh, nicely done! (re @troyBORG: )
 I just change the logo, and change the text to the color of the logo.:
 for those that didn't already see the test week announcement on BDLL with @popeydc and @Sick_Rimmit, here it is - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5xsWPy1_V4&t=5516
 thanks Yousuf, I didn't see it all so missed that
[07:19] <guiverc> I noticed franksmcb couldn't 'skip' validation (1870018), I've been unable to skip lubuntu at all today
 valorie: thanks for the retweets and likes

 https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2020-April/040954.html
 testing week mentioned in distrowatch news - https://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20200330#news
 all are welcome to retweet - https://twitter.com/Xubuntu/status/1245259607540297729
[08:22] <lotuspsychje> nice one philipz
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 Looks like the installer had an update, and it works now:
 Spoke to soon.:
 you should likely create a bug report for that and attach the /var/log/syslog
 Yep
 don't know if you guys are on the mood for a April 1st. did you saw the https://knome.org site??
 yep saw it
 @troyBORG please paste the bug number once you filed a report
 I'm not sure how.  I'm looking on launchpad and I when I click the report a bug.  Am I support to submit it from within?
 I was running the same VM as night, just installed the update with apt and tried to install.
 I backed up the syslog, and going to try it again just to see what happens
 welcome @MrkiMike
 Howdy! :)
 which flavor are you looking to test today
 @Eickmeyer any news from Dustin about TestDrive
 @philipz kubuntu - I'm using KDE Neon these days, but it's broken in so many ways :/
 I restarted the VM, and did the install fresh without having all the stuff I did in the live environment and it didn't crash this time....
 How I do report a bug though the website?  I keep finding myself back at this page:
 https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs
 the report bug link in ubiquity page
 @troyBORG in the terminal you run 'ubuntu-bug [packagename]' where packagename for the installer is ubiquity
 whenever you encounter a bug, please always report it

 but yes, with ubuntu-bug is better option
 if you find a bug in the live session, its 'ubuntu-bug casper'
 "this package has 772 new bugs"

 Is there a way to attach both a screenshot and the syslog when reporting from the website
 syslog is enough
 for ubiquity I mean
 once you run ubuntu-bug, it will send you to launchpad where you can add your screenshots and syslog to it
 otherwise add a new comment for each attachment
 for all those new to bug reporting, you can check out popey's video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjTyzyY9RHw
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 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1870143
 well this isnt really that accurate when the 75th last report was reported 2 months ago (re @RikMills: "this package has 772 new bugs")
 I know. I was just reading it as if I didn't know that and saw it for the 1st time
 oh. lol
 Where can one see status of daily ISO image builds?
 are there any devs here that do bug fixes for ubiquity, as i've filed quite a few over the year and none of been fixed :D
 @jibel is one
 /me hides
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 don't throw me under the bus ;)
 i closed one that was no longer valid as the UI had changed since i filed it, so that was atleast fixed
 IRC is probably better for this. more are there
 I'm heading back to bed as I got work in 6hrs
 The livefs (squashfs image) part is built in launchpad, and has a page for each flavour like this: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/+livefs/ubuntu/focal/kubuntu (re @MrkiMike: Where can one see status of daily ISO image builds?)
 The full logs go to: https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/cd-build-logs/
 Thnx! (re @RikMills: The livefs (squashfs image) part is built in launchpad, and has a page for each flavour like this: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/+livefs/ubuntu/focal/kubuntu)
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 Not overly accessible. no nice overview page :/
 here is my list - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bugs?search=Search&field.bug_reporter=philipz85
 rik mills can I build image locally? As I just donwloaded iso over relatively slow link it would be nice to do git/bzr pull/update with just diffs
 zsync'ing just the delta of any new build would be best (re @MrkiMike: rik mills can I build image locally? As I just donwloaded iso over relatively slow link it would be nice to do git/bzr pull/update with just diffs)
 ack, will try that once the iso gets available
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kf0CC2fPxoU
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 New Kubuntu ISO should be available
 + probably others
 @philipz None at all. I think it has to be forked at this point.
 @popeydc do you have easy access to Dustin?
 @bashfulrobot <- he's right there
 Dustin Kirkland
 Oh, why?
 erich sent a patch for testdrive
 No, I didn't send a patch.
 It was someone else.
 what's testdrive?
 launchpad.net/testdrive
 that was @Sick_Rimmit (re @philipz: erich sent a patch for testdrive)
 gui app for download ISOs
 wow, that's old
 I'm downloading it now. (re @RikMills: New Kubuntu ISO should be available)
 ERR:NeedCoffee
 @Eickmeyer sounds like you have Error #12648430.
 Get it?
 No, I don't get it.
 Try converting it to something other than decimal! 😁
 Niiiiiice
 zsync is neat :)
 I wonder should CPU load monitor widget be removed from Kubuntu -it's ugly and it just pushed away all of my other widgets :)
 I prefer the CPU speed monitor from the Temps, Volts, Fans plugin for KSysGuard.
 I'm overclocked, so I like seeing the actual clock speed.
 that was my problem with KDE all the time - it looks beautiful on still screenshots but when you actually try to set up your widgets and stuff, it';s just ... ugly and unusable
 gnome2/MATE is also ugly, but it's super usable

 Looks ok
 @RikMills now put it on a panel - it stretches all the way if you enable multiple CPUs
 I would use the system load widget in a panel (re @MrkiMike: @RikMills now put it on a panel - it stretches all the way if you enable multiple CPUs)

 thnx, a bit better
 well, looks nice-ish :) Almost the same versions of KDE and libs as in current Neon
 some widget are not optimised for panels :(
 Yup :/
 it's mayhem:D
 I would do CPU clock speed and total load instead of individual load for the widget. Just my $0.02. Think about someone with a TR 3990X! Will the widget have 64 load %'s?! 😁
 LOL :D right :D
 those should be redesigned, old ones removed...
 Actually it would be 128 %'s with SMT enabled, right? 🤣
 welcome @JoseRamonRG
 Thanks, although I have just entered the Linux world I hope to be of help and to be able to contribute something to the group (re @philipz: welcome @JoseRamonRG)
 glad to have you aboard. did you read any of the announcements to know what you can do to help?
 I'm reading the pinned message
 pinned message is basic info
 @JoseRamonRG which distro are you looking to test
 my mistake flavor :D
 I am on lubuntu 18.04 LTS but due to some limitations I plan to switch to ubuntu 18.04 LTS
 anyone know the guy at omgubuntu to have him to an article for the testing week
 then you should read the ubuntu announcement - https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/testing-ubuntu-20-04-lts-official-ubuntu-flavors/14053
 Although my computer is low on resources, if ubuntu works correctly without problems on my machine, then I will try the new 20.04
 if you need something lighter, you can try out xubuntu - https://xubuntu.org/news/xubuntu-20-04-testing-week/
 How come the Ubuntu Dash shows that it is now "Dash-to-Dock".   Does that mean once they add support for it in the new GNOME that it will come out of the box where you could move the GNOME bar from the side to the bottom?:
 On extensions.gnome.com it looks like dash-to-dock still only supports 3.34 and not the new Gnome 3.36.
 So i'm guessing that is it?
 guess it must be.
 heads up to flavors, xubuntu will be tweeting atleast once a day to promote #UbuntuTestingWeek, so please consider doing the same
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 this is the banner image that xubuntu will be using to help with the promotion. if anyone wants to utilize the same by replacing the logo and background, let me know and i can share the .xcf file:
 may as well have it just in case ;) (re @philipz: heads up to flavors, xubuntu will be tweeting atleast once a day to promote #UbuntuTestingWeek, so please consider doing the same)
 @RikMills did you reply to the wrong message?
 probably
 so are you asking for the .xcf?
 yes
 https://drive.google.com/file/d/1T_GmkEYro0CX6kF0qdDYQ2uqy185HVpb/view?usp=sharing
 whats .xcf
 gimp file
 whats .xcf
 GIMP format... (edited)
 I had to browse though my pc to find what it was
 Does kubuntu use discover or the snapstore?
 Discover
 @philipz thanks :)
 Hmm.  It looks like Krita can also open it.
 @RikMills welcome. hope kubuntu uses it :D
 Will you be able to install deb packages in it or only snaps like the one in ubuntu?
 onlything I don't see is the guide rulers looks like
 Discover in Kubuntu can install debs from the archive and snaps. There is also a flatpak backend which you can optionally install. (re @MateoBioengineer: Will you be able to install deb packages in it or only snaps like the one in ubuntu?)
 Thanks for the information
 I'm thinking of switching to kubuntu
 the installer bug is already resolved?
 which bug?
 @RikMills two bugs were reported today
 This one (re @ubuntutesting_bot: [irc] <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1869992 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Ubiquity crashes during Kubuntu OEM install on WIFI menu" [Undecided,New])
 this is one (re @troyBORG: )
 this was a second one (re @troyBORG: )
 Then yes, that is fixed. (re @MateoBioengineer: This one)
 That one was not reproducible, and may have been a result of what was done to the live system before the installer was started (re @philipz: this was a second one)
 This is why I asked which bug
 Plus there have been other reported, again, some without enough info to be useful
 so if the installer crashes due tot he live session, is it an ubiquity bug or casper bug?
 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1870143/comments/4 (re @philipz: so if the installer crashes due tot he live session, is it an ubiquity bug or casper bug?)
 I'll wait for the beta to test it
 Yep that was me. (re @RikMills: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1870143/comments/4)
 Is there a way to view my submitted bug reports as a list?
 FYI, if you're experiencing WiFi performance with Intel WiFi drivers being slow, remove backport-iwlwifi-dkms.  The performance is back to the way it should be with it gone.
 night everyone
 FYI, if you're experiencing WiFi performance with Intel WiFi drivers, remove backport-iwlwifi-dkms.  The performance is back to the way it should be with it gone. (edited)
 which is better wayland or xorg?
 Depends how you define "better"
 fluidity and stability
 Personally I only use xorg
 I have a problem with the store:
 The others snaps are okay, it's only the store
 There's benefits and drawbacks to either. Wayland can be difficult in regards to compatibility or some quirks/bugs that aren't ironed out yet, but it can be faster in some cases and is supposed to be more secure. (re @MateoBioengineer: which is better wayland or xorg?)
 It's worth trying, see if your use-case will be suited by it or not. For some it is, but for many others there are some stoppers. Either way, Wayland could definitely use some more trials/testing in general if you're ever up for it.