 You guys have two Calamares desktop entries
 Like us
 Prob from package “Calamares”
 And why use a KDE parti manager? Does it use QT?
 Nice one! (re @Zachariah: Hey, the Reddit thing is getting some decent traction. Looks like we should have a few more testers soon.)
 yeah. we already have a task for that one (re @ItzSwirlz: You guys have two Calamares desktop entries)
 We have same issue too
 Don’t worry
 That and Calamares uses kpmcore, the same underpinnings that kde partition manager use. (re @ItzSwirlz: And why use a KDE parti manager? Does it use QT?)
 I have seen a problem since Ubuntu 18.04 and 19.10 on Ubuntu, Kubuntu and Xubuntu.
 Now on Ubuntu 20.04 Ubuntu, Xubuntu and Ubuntu Studio
 When I turn off the computer, the keyboard occasionally turns off the screen but the cpu is still on.
 I don't know if it's my mistake
 I could help with this. My primary language is Spanish and I'm more than happy helping with the translation of free software.
 Mi idioma principal es el Español y estoy más que dispuesto a ayudar con la traducción de programas de código abierto. (re @ForEverAlsius: )

 I could help on Monday. (re @Eickmeyer: If you wouldn't mind, feel free to do some translating on that: https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/focal/+source/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/+pots/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntustudio/es/+translate)
 @Reinaldo_Espinosa I just did it with an online translation service. It should work, but feel free to look over my suggestions in that link.
 Done with testing Lubuntu for today
 Tomorrow we will check to see if there’s anything we need to backup before dual-booting it for test
 On a Mac
 Okay who to help next
 Thanks for giving it a test. (re @ItzSwirlz: Done with testing Lubuntu for today)
 A mí me gustaría dominar otro idioma como para poder ayudar a traducir, aquí hago uso de bots (re @Reinaldo_Espinosa: I could help with this. My primary language is Spanish and I'm more than happy helping with the translation of free software.
 Mi idioma principal es el Español y estoy más que dispuesto a ayudar con la traducción de programas de código abierto.)
 One of the problems when you do so is that the translate not always  keep the context specially when it is about technology or technical details (re @Eickmeyer: @Reinaldo_Espinosa I just did it with an online translation service. It should work, but feel free to look over my suggestions in that link.)
 Are you using a translation not? (re @KajiiNarumiChat: A mí me gustaría dominar otro idioma como para poder ayudar a traducir, aquí hago uso de bots)
 Are you using a translation bot? (edited) (re @KajiiNarumiChat: A mí me gustaría dominar otro idioma como para poder ayudar a traducir, aquí hago uso de bots)
 @Reinaldo_Espinosa That was my concern. Feel free to change it. It was only two changes.
 Yes and Google (re @Reinaldo_Espinosa: Are you using a translation bot?)
 @YTranslateBot (re @Reinaldo_Espinosa: Are you using a translation bot?)
 I have to do it on Monday. Because I do not have enough internet at home. (re @Eickmeyer: @Reinaldo_Espinosa That was my concern. Feel free to change it. It was only two changes.)
 @Reinaldo_Espinosa Ok, I think that should be sufficient.
 If you think so. (re @Eickmeyer: @Reinaldo_Espinosa Ok, I think that should be sufficient.)
  (re @Reinaldo_Espinosa: Are you using a translation bot?)
 Monday will work, is what I meant. (re @Reinaldo_Espinosa: If you think so.)
 Ahh ok (re @Eickmeyer: Monday will work, is what I meant.)
 I miss understand you
 My worry as a project leader is hitting deadlines. :)
 You are the leader of Ubuntu Studio? (re @Eickmeyer: My worry as a project leader is hitting deadlines. :))
 Yes. (re @Reinaldo_Espinosa: You are the leader of Ubuntu Studio?)
 It's hard? (re @Eickmeyer: Yes.)
 Depends on the day. :) (re @KajiiNarumiChat: It's hard?)
 I see, my congratulations to all of you. (re @Eickmeyer: Depends on the day. :))
 Thanks. :) (re @KajiiNarumiChat: I see, my congratulations to all of you.)
 Good. (re @Eickmeyer: Yes.)
 Tal vez no sea algo muy importante, soy un optometrista, y él siempre recomendó usar una aplicación para recordar descansar los ojos. También para bajar el brillo.
 Maybe it is not something very important, I am an optometrist, and he always recommended using an applidogion to remember to rest your eyes. Also to lower the brightness.
 Maybe for health reasons it is a good idea that it comes integrated in Ubuntu
 But us not for everyone (re @KajiiNarumiChat: Maybe it is not something very important, I am an optometrist, and he always recommended using an applidogion to remember to rest your eyes. Also to lower the brightness.)
 But is not for everyone (edited) (re @KajiiNarumiChat: Maybe it is not something very important, I am an optometrist, and he always recommended using an applidogion to remember to rest your eyes. Also to lower the brightness.)
 Most of the people don't want to use it.
[00:46] <lotuspsychje> morning all
[00:49] <lotuspsychje> another article spread on my lxer rss https://9to5linux.com/ubuntu-20-04-lts-beta-is-now-available-for-download
[00:55] <guiverc> :)  noticed it too lotuspsychje
[00:55] <lotuspsychje> great article
[00:55] <guiverc> first boot of ubuntu 20.04 'live' in awhile; i like the 'smooth' look
[00:56] <lotuspsychje> guiverc: are you on -desktop?
[00:56] <guiverc> yep, got asked to retest a bug (that it was hoped was fixed), alas ..
[00:57] <lotuspsychje> can you test a quick one for me aswell please?
[00:57] <guiverc> yep.  (maybe a few mins, but yep)
[00:57] <lotuspsychje> guiverc: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell-extension-ubuntu-dock/+bug/1867613 please
[01:08] <guiverc> lotuspsychje, I'm only running a 'live' system, your bug looks like it needs an install. I can drag/drop icons in my 'live' session
[01:09] <lotuspsychje> guiverc: did you move the dock to bottom for the test?
[01:09] <guiverc> Nope, I missed that sorry.. re-reading.
[01:09] <lotuspsychje> guiverc: test switching the icons and drag from dash with the dock at bottom if you want
[01:19] <guiverc> lotuspsychje, Yes I'm having great difficulty with movement (failing 80-90% of time), when its on the left it's working 80-90% of the time..
[01:20] <lotuspsychje> yeah thats exactly whats happening guiverc tnx and affect plz : )
 how to make ISO
 Google: Here's how to make a bootable USB
[02:29] <guiverc> @KaiLoveLinux, https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/create-a-bootable-usb-stick-on-ubuntu/14011
[02:29] <guiverc> https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/create-a-bootable-usb-stick-on-windows/14020
[02:29] <guiverc> https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/create-a-bootable-usb-stick-on-macos/14016
 Thanks you gave me the exact thing I don't want. Thank you.
 Let's please not be toxic.
 again-to make it a lot easier, I suggest you just find a way and get the packages to Launchpad. Things will be a lot more easier to iso-build
 I'm not, being sarcastic isn't the same as toxic
 Sorry
 Anyways I feel glad I helped out today. Will do more Cinnamon playing, logged around the system info patch today.
 You have been a great help Josh, everyone in the community has been supportive, and I thank y'all.
 I just clicked my KDE start button, typed in "usb" and clicked on Make Startup Disk. It finds the last ISO you downloaded and your USB drive. Just click start, wait a few minutes and it's done.
 Even guiverc spent the time to find resources, even if I didn't need them
 But all flavors have the USB startup disk creator.
 Or at least a usb disk creator/editing tool. (re @Zachariah: But all flavors have the USB startup disk creator.)
 I'm not sure which one to add for Ubuntu Lumina yet, but the one everyone needs to remind me the name of that starts with g and is powerful is the one I might use
 gnome-disk-creator or something like that. I'll find a QT one.
 I'll check what Lubuntu uses
 Not gnome-disk-utility
 uhhh
 GPARTED
 There. That's disk partitioning
 since I remember it I will add it now
 Lmao
 There is a QtParted
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QtParted
 Well I have gparted
 And sure enough it's not in the repos for universe. Something that we might want to consider maintaining
 Gparted will be fine for now.
 Gparted will be fine for now, it's accessible (edited)
 Oh yeah-KDE Partition Manager is what Lubuntu uses
 @KaiLoveLinux Use KDE Partition Manager
 QtParted is outdated and prob discontinued-last update was 7y ago
 I am using Gparted as I like it beter
 better*
 I am stuck trying to make the ISO file, still digging to see if Google will ever be useful
 Use balena etcher (re @KaiLoveLinux: I am stuck trying to make the ISO file, still digging to see if Google will ever be useful)
 Its easy and intuitive
 I thank you for trying, but I feel like I need to explain more: I need to make the ISO for Ubuntu Lumina, something Etcher cannot not do. Love Etcher though, my favorite app. (re @Reinaldo_Espinosa: Use balena etcher)
 Ahh. I was thinking you need to make a bootable usb (re @KaiLoveLinux: I thank you for trying, but I feel like I need to explain more: I need to make the ISO for Ubuntu Lumina, something Etcher cannot not do. Love Etcher though, my favorite app.)
 Yeah, no. Thanks anyways, I have an option to quick test so I can see if it works or not
[03:56] <valorie> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallCDCustomization <-- how to make a custom ISO
 @KaiLoveLinux when you first started this conversation you said "Google: How to make startup USB". That made all of us thinking that's what you wanted. You want to build a custom ISO. I know how to make bootable ISO files and could have helped you had I truly understood what you meant.
 Zachariah Yeah no problem, I am not perfect at explaining my issues
 however I am still stuck so
 Valorie gave me a good insight but was not what I needed sadly, as I made my distro from live system
 Do you have all of the files destined for the ISO in a folder?
[04:35] <valorie> @KaiLoveLinux - huh? How do you get this live system onto a computer?
[04:35] <valorie> it's got to be cd/dvd/usb
 As dumb as this sounds there is a Windows program that might be able to build your ISO.
[04:35] <valorie> which means: ISO
[04:35] <valorie> which is the link I gave you
 Zachariah The only Windows system I can access is my grandfathers and I am only allowed telegram on it.
 Valorie: I installed from USB to hardware partition on my drive, and so none of that is helpful for me, sadly. Just how I set it up.
[04:37] <valorie> ah, I thought you wanted to make something you could share with others
[04:37] <valorie> my mistake
 I am, but I did it from Live System as I have done LFS and shipped that, sadly that was when Linux-Live wasn't practically dead
[04:40] <valorie> one shares ISOs
 When you say you made your ISO from a live system, do you mean you used files from a live system or you literally captured a running live system?
 What I mean is everything is set up on a live system, ready for me to put in an ISO, just the tools i'd normally use are in a non-functional state and I am having a hard time finding new ones.
 Like... all my tools that'd I have ever used
 I have someone I might be able to ask for help with this, brb
[04:48] <valorie> so confused
 I made a flavor, used an installed ISO to set everything up, everything was set up, went to make an ISO, ISO making not work
 I have been working on this for 10 hours now and brain just stop workin
  (re @philipz: someone commented on OMG that testing in virutalbox doesnt work as there is a xorg bug)same problem.:
 after selecting Ubuntu On Wayland, it works though. (re @rajkumaar23: )
 Bug #1870726
 I figured out how to build the ISO i think
 now to solve a new problem
 Past midnight, almost 13 hours of working now
 idk why but I like this fact
 if I ctrl-alt-3 to get a command line, the fonts are extremely large - any one knows how to fix that ?
 perhaps something to do when I played with scaling last night ?
 will try to report a bug: scaling to 125% takes me to 200%
 Bug report:
 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/1870736
 Good morning everyone. How is testing going?
 lmao imagine being able to test rn
 @popeydc Actual answer that is not sarcastic: Poorly for my thing, everyone else's stuff works well on my laptop.
 No issues to report, which makes me hapy
 Not my best day (testing wise; a failure I didn't expect), but mostly good & G'day @popeydc
 Just getting the testing VM's setup for a lazy Saturday playing...I mean serious testing:
 I need to report one more wrt screen scaling
  select 125% gives 200%
 select 150% results in a blank screen and my monitor going into powersave
 @MrPer4280 Flavor? Or plain?
 @KaiLoveLinux   plain - upgrading from 16.04 -> 18.04 -> 19.10 -> 20.04
  (re @Eickmeyer: Translation clearly isn't done yet. 🤦‍♂️)
 sweet (re @Zachariah: Hey, the Reddit thing is getting some decent traction. Looks like we should have a few more testers soon.)
 i am gonna use this saturday to not die
 afternoon lotuspsychje
 unforutately xubuntu doesn't (re @Zachariah: But all flavors have the USB startup disk creator.)
 which app is this? (re @GlennTF: )
 welcome @katnipp
 This is VMware Workstation Pro, it allows remote access over the network to the VMs so I'm spinning them all up on the big rig so I can acces them on my laptop while relaxing on the sofa later 🙂 (re @philipz: which app is this?)
 did you file a bug for this? (re @KajiiNarumiChat: )
 nice (re @GlennTF: This is VMware Workstation Pro, it allows remote access over the network to the VMs so I'm spinning them all up on the big rig so I can acces them on my laptop while relaxing on the sofa later 🙂)
 @Eickmeyer maybe you should try and contact the translation team as simplified chinese seems to all be done but none have been reviewed for the installer slideshow:
 Bug about scaling to 150%  resulting in a monitor power save starte has been reported
 great
[10:33] <lotuspsychje> @philipz hi there ; )
 thanks everyone who tweeted the #UbuntuTestingWeek hashtag. keep up the good work.
 welcome @goddiey
 Thanks (re @philipz: welcome @goddiey)
 hmm - I have lost all sound, perhaps I messed with something, though I don't think so
 which flavor are you planning to test (re @goddiey: Thanks)
[11:05] <lotuspsychje> @philipz: i liked this article: https://9to5linux.com/ubuntu-20-04-lts-beta-is-now-available-for-download
 lotuspsychje: saw it but didnt see anything in it worth retweeting it
 welcome @shivank_here @gioisco
 Tnk 😊 (re @philipz: welcome @shivank_here @gioisco)
 @gioisco which flavor are you looking to test
 @philipz any idea why this happens? (re @ubuntutesting_bot: [irc] <ubot5> bug 1870726 in xorg (Ubuntu) "Ubuntu Login Screen Loop" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1870726)
 The xorg log shows a backtrace, so a segfault (re @rajkumaar23: @philipz any idea why this happens?)
 Philips I'm not a tester, but I'm here for looking for understand how to do this (sorry for my English) (re @philipz: @gioisco which flavor are you looking to test)
 @gioisco no problem. which ubuntu flavor are you looking to try. is it ubuntu, kubuntu, xubuntu, etc.
 ohh (re @RikMills: The xorg log shows a backtrace, so a segfault)
 I currently use Ubuntu for work and Kubuntu for personal (re @philipz: @gioisco no problem. which ubuntu flavor are you looking to try. is it ubuntu, kubuntu, xubuntu, etc.)
 instructions for testing kubuntu are found here - https://kubuntu.org/news/testing-for-the-beta-help-needed/
 ubuntu testing is here - https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/testing-ubuntu-20-04-lts-official-ubuntu-flavors/14053
 there are a number of videos that you can watch of others showing how to do the testing
 here is one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0i8IgD6vg8
 So @KaiLoveLinux , your trying to make an ISO of your current build of Ubuntu?
 Yeah it doesn't exactly work that way...
 @gioisco here is another https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXLiqjOkSmg
 ❤
 some tweets that can be retweeted
 https://twitter.com/franksmcb1/status/1246304744349425666
 https://twitter.com/bad_idea_dude/status/1246409738604228608
 @gioisco this is a good one when you want to report a bug https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjTyzyY9RHw
 ❤️
 What version of Virtualbox? (re @rajkumaar23: ohh)
 Honestly, try to go with the most stable... my friend all of a sudden (has his own built gaming desktop PC) has VBox stuck on an issue that we can't fix (re @RikMills: What version of Virtualbox?)
 That'd be my answer
 5.2.34 (re @RikMills: What version of Virtualbox?)
 I installed using apt (re @ItzSwirlz: Honestly, try to go with the most stable... my friend all of a sudden (has his own built gaming desktop PC) has VBox stuck on an issue that we can't fix)
 No, I am asking them what version they are using where Xorg crashes on login (re @ItzSwirlz: Honestly, try to go with the most stable... my friend all of a sudden (has his own built gaming desktop PC) has VBox stuck on an issue that we can't fix)
 is virtualbox in apt updated anymore? I remember virtualbox in apt being outdated. (re @rajkumaar23: I installed using apt)
 oh, didn’t know that. (re @ItzSwirlz: is virtualbox in apt updated anymore? I remember virtualbox in apt being outdated.)
 I don't think VBox interferes with that, except for Monitor settings (re @RikMills: No, I am asking them what version they are using where Xorg crashes on login)
 Vbox has it's own virtual graphics adapter and kernel modules, so it certainly CAN (re @ItzSwirlz: I don't think VBox interferes with that, except for Monitor settings)
 Oh right. It has it's own postinstall
 Why not the 6.x version? (re @rajkumaar23: 5.2.34)
 and it needs secure boot
 i told i installed using apt 😅
 i’ll download the latest from their page n try again (re @RikMills: Why not the 6.x version?)
 @rajkumaar23 Can you pleas mention on the bug what Virualbox version you are running, and where you got it
 sure i’ll update the version. but what do you mean by where i got it? (re @RikMills: @rajkumaar23 Can you pleas mention on the bug what Virualbox version you are running, and where you got it)
 @rajkumaar23 Can you please mention on the bug what Virualbox version you are running, and where you got it (edited)
 oh the vbox?
 Yes. (re @rajkumaar23: oh the vbox?)
 sure (re @RikMills: Yes.)
 Vbox, just like Eclipse is one of those packages that I famously know for being outdated and not maintained well. (re @RikMills: @rajkumaar23 Can you please mention on the bug what Virualbox version you are running, and where you got it)
 well it is maintained well
 There are 3 or 4 ways of getting a virtualbox install
 Just not updated
 @RikMills in case you hadnt seen this, someone had reported it here as well (re @philipz: someone commented on OMG that testing in virutalbox doesnt work as there is a xorg bug)
 Another bug report, or just here? (re @philipz: @RikMills in case you hadnt seen this, someone had reported it here as well)
 presume its the same bug
 Report Bug
 Sounds likely, but what I mean is did THEY report it on launchpad? (re @philipz: presume its the same bug)
 updated. (re @RikMills: @rajkumaar23 Can you please mention on the bug what Virualbox version you are running, and where you got it)
 Thanks
 @Eickmeyer tried to reply to the person on OMG to ask them to report it, but he's not sure whether his reply will get past moderation
 Ok, thanks. I just wondered if there was another LP bug to link/dupe to this one
 and why isn’t wayland the default ?  btw im a noob here
 So has anyone tested main Ubuntu beta in Virtualbox 6.x?
 Not yet only VMware so far but I'll give it a try now (re @RikMills: So has anyone tested main Ubuntu beta in Virtualbox 6.x?)
 So has anyone tested main Ubuntu beta in Virtualbox 6.x? Any login issue on installed system? (edited)
 Curious if it is specific to the 5.x vbox builds, or wider issue.
 Flavours seem to work here ok on 5.x, but I am using the upstream testing git builds of vbox so not a fair comparison
 ubuntu tweeted - https://twitter.com/ubuntu/status/1246418547804459017
 Darktable compiles and runs on 20.04 just fine - sweet 😊
 😊 (re @philipz: ubuntu tweeted - https://twitter.com/ubuntu/status/1246418547804459017)
 correction: retweeted with comment glenn's tweet :D
 On a clean install of VB 6.1.4 it works fine, no issues with the lock screen, auto login also works (re @RikMills: Curious if it is specific to the 5.x vbox builds, or wider issue.)
 Manual login from gdm also fine? (re @GlennTF: On a clean install of VB 6.1.4 it works fine, no issues with the lock screen, auto login also works)
 Yep perfect (re @RikMills: Manual login from gdm also fine?)
 Ok, if for some reason it is only bugged with vbox 5.x, then would explain why it might not have been picked up until now
 I uninstalled 6.1.4 and installed 5.2.38 which is listed as the latest 5.2 release and the VM worked identically to 6.1
 Well, that shows it can work ok in 5.x. The default graphic adapter setting changed in 6.x, so using a VM created in that in 5.x may not be a fair comparison.
 Anyway, appears not to be a critical bug with default 6.x, so not the hugest issue
 That's a fair point (re @RikMills: Well, that shows it can work ok in 5.x. The default graphic adapter setting changed in 6.x, so using a VM created in that in 5.x may not be a fair comparison.)
 https://twitter.com/ItzSwirlz/status/1246429497752256512

 For cinnamon-remix, should it be displayed as that or for system info, is this fine?
 @rajkumaar23 see if upgrading to vbox 5.2.38 solves the issue
 just installed 6.1 😳 (re @philipz: @rajkumaar23 see if upgrading to vbox 5.2.38 solves the issue)
 and is it working fine?
 going to test. will post.
 Apparently Cinnamon has a screen reader
 Looks like for testing its time to install a LM iso
 you mean ocra?
 Talking to me or Rajkumar?
 Ah orca is the package for screen reader
 I’m just trying to figure out how to use it and I believe I found a bug but I want to confirm it through LM first
 ocra is the screen reader used by all distros i believe, as i used it with ubuntu mate
 I can’t even find a video of someone using it
 I’ll follow mate instructions
 let me see if i can find one
 What key is super on Mac?
 There’s Ubuntu mate QA screen reader task (re @philipz: let me see if i can find one)
 command I think (re @ItzSwirlz: What key is super on Mac?)
 It is cmd
 It will open start but screen reader doesn’t work with cinnamon
 And there’s no outlog in console
 Two issue so far
 I’ll have to write this down. Brb
 https://youtu.be/3krdIy2_sZs?t=1040 (re @ItzSwirlz: I can’t even find a video of someone using it)
 On Cinnamon
 On Cinnamon DE (edited)
 In LM 4.4.5 there isn’t a prob
 With screen reader
 But it’s 19.3-I’ll update
 So it looks like for keyboard, you need to turn off then o min again for changes to make place
 I don’t know if that’s a bug but whatever
 Screen reader on mac I’ll have to see what LM currently has for latest
 Apparently my settings crashed
 Changing time
 i have a silly doubt. shouldn't that be some are proprietary or is my engish wrong ? 🙆🏼‍♂️:
  (edited)i have a silly doubt. shouldn't that be some are proprietary or is my english wrong ? 🙆🏼‍♂️:
 I don’t know
 Also I got a crash in cinnamon-settings and I have no idea what happened and can’t seem to replidoge it, should I still file a bug?
 Clicking everywhere and can’t seem to do anythi Nd
 yes that is correct. you should file that bug :D (re @rajkumaar23: )
 @popeydc are you on facebook, as i cant find you
 nice. thanks 😁 (re @philipz: yes that is correct. you should file that bug :D)
 only negative thing about a fix for that typo is that translators will have to fix it as well
 but it looks weird when we read. isn't it ? (re @philipz: only negative thing about a fix for that typo is that translators will have to fix it as well)
 but it looks weird when we read. doesn't it ? (edited) (re @philipz: only negative thing about a fix for that typo is that translators will have to fix it as well)
 Prob not going to file bug, prob a glitch
 definitely does in english and bug should definitely be filed. (re @rajkumaar23: but it looks weird when we read. doesn't it ?)
 Most beautiful extension ever, a watermark for your distro on cinnamon

 okayy. where do i do that from web? (re @philipz: definitely does in english and bug should definitely be filed.)
 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity
 thanks. (re @philipz: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity)
 that link is for all problems in the installer
 got it. (re @philipz: that link is for all problems in the installer)
 Ubuntu Cinnamon doesn’t come with a calendar applidogion, should I add one?
 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1670268
 been there for 3 years now 🥺 (re @philipz: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity)
 Folks, why the focal beta tests are archived, can someone pls help?
 I do not know how (re @philipz: did you file a bug for this?)
 Noob alert ☺️
 @philipz there is an explanation on the context why it is IS 🙆🏼‍♂️ (re @rajkumaar23: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1670268
 been there for 3 years now 🥺)
 Don't be roof (re @S4ik4t: Noob alert ☺️)
 you can do it here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/casper (re @KajiiNarumiChat: I do not know how)
 That's for my query (re @Reinaldo_Espinosa: Don't be roof)
 can you explain this a bit more (re @S4ik4t: Folks, why the focal beta tests are archived, can someone pls help?)
 This one (re @S4ik4t: Folks, why the focal beta tests are archived, can someone pls help?)
 Sure (re @philipz: can you explain this a bit more)
 @rajkumaar23 lol
 I tried, but I could not understand everything they asked for. (re @philipz: you can do it here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/casper)

 Because the beta is out (re @S4ik4t: Folks, why the focal beta tests are archived, can someone pls help?)
 in the live session, open the terminal and type 'ubuntu-bug casper' (re @KajiiNarumiChat: I tried, but I could not understand everything they asked for.)
 Ok, so I need to only test the daily ISO? (re @RikMills: Because the beta is out)
 The beta milestone entry is for QA testing the images that MIGHT become the beta.
 @KajiiNarumiChat then it will launch the web browser and submit the bug, but you'll have to log into your launchpad.net account to complete it
 Its so easy to do. (re @philipz: @KajiiNarumiChat then it will launch the web browser and submit the bug, but you'll have to log into your launchpad.net account to complete it)
 You can test the beta iso, but please report any bugs to launchpad. (re @S4ik4t: Ok, so I need to only test the daily ISO?)
 Testing the daily is also useful
 Ok thanks (re @RikMills: You can test the beta iso, but please report any bugs to launchpad.)
 I’m playing with Ubuntu cinnamon and my god
 It’s a masterpiece
 So beautiful
 Sorry, I imagine it is as easy for you as for me to graduate glasses (re @Reinaldo_Espinosa: Its so easy to do.)
 But as soon as I get there I'll try
 wth?

 Does this have to do with the way our ISO is built?
 I know the permissions are wrong but I’ll see if I can change it
 Root owns Calamares desktop file, that could be why-it may have locked desktop folder
 It's Ubuntu Cinnamon an official flavour of Ubuntu @philipz ?
 not official yet, its a remix
 No, but it would like to be. (re @Reinaldo_Espinosa: It's Ubuntu Cinnamon an official flavour of Ubuntu @philipz ?)
 similar to ubuntu mate and ubuntu budgie before they become officila
 No
 It’s a remix
 But we have A LOT of work to flavor status
 I need to help maintain cinnamon in Debian and make sure Ubuntu cinnamon is as clean as I can get it to
 Yes it is. I’m able to login (re @philipz: and is it working fine?)
 So far it’s pretty slick
 And good
 Great :) (re @rajkumaar23: Yes it is. I’m able to login)
 When I tested Kubuntu it was clean
 @rajkumaar23 i added a comment https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1670268/comments/12
 I loved it actually
 By the way, does someone know why KDE uses 500 MB ram and my cinnamon uses about  it 1 GB, almost 2?
  (re @ItzSwirlz: I loved it actually)
 I don’t do wine or Champaign, sorry man (re @RikMills: )
 Or beer
 :P
 Because KDE devs have done a lot of work to make it so. Especially as they have been working on plasma mobile stuff. (re @ItzSwirlz: By the way, does someone know why KDE uses 500 MB ram and my cinnamon uses about  it 1 GB, almost 2?)
 I’ll look at LM
 Fairly sure that is whiskey :P (re @ItzSwirlz: I don’t do wine or Champaign, sorry man)
 nice 👍🏼 (re @philipz: @rajkumaar23 i added a comment https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1670268/comments/12)
 And what they get
 isn't the linux mint team doing the work for cinnamon in debian as they have LMDE
 Yeah I don’t do that either sorry (re @RikMills: Fairly sure that is whiskey :P)
 That's fine. I'll have yours. ;) (re @ItzSwirlz: Yeah I don’t do that either sorry)
 And any issues I got was just a glitch
 So I’m good XD
 optimization i presume (re @ItzSwirlz: By the way, does someone know why KDE uses 500 MB ram and my cinnamon uses about  it 1 GB, almost 2?)
 well someone somehow got like 500 on LM and a GB on UC (re @philipz: optimization i presume)
 isn’t still a bug? (re @RikMills: Great :))
 Mint has its own special tools like mintsystem
 They probably fiddle around with those stuff
 Without desk let’s and extra customization on a dummy account I get 1.8 GB
 With people moving from 4 GB to 8 GB it shouldn’t be a big deal.
 you should check the startup and daemons that are running (re @ItzSwirlz: well someone somehow got like 500 on LM and a GB on UC)
 @ItzSwirlz there is no shame in being abstinent from alcohol. It's really not good for you. The reason red wine is mildly good for you is due to the ellagic acid from the grapes.


 For me it steadies around 1960 MB.
 here you can see xubuntu vs kubuntu:
 taken from https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2019/10/23/bold-prediction-kde-will-steal-the-lightweight-linux-desktop-crown-in-2020/#3591e32a26d2
 And that’s configuration.
 Is there a tool for limiting system ram being used?
 How could I help? (re @ItzSwirlz: I need to help maintain cinnamon in Debian and make sure Ubuntu cinnamon is as clean as I can get it to)
 But truly a lots happening

 Find bugs. (re @Reinaldo_Espinosa: How could I help?)
 @ItzSwirlz this was at you. not sure if you replied (re @philipz: isn't the linux mint team doing the work for cinnamon in debian as they have LMDE)
 I will make debdiff a to patch them
 Yes (re @philipz: isn't the linux mint team doing the work for cinnamon in debian as they have LMDE)
 I sometimes see clement uploading things in Salsa for cinnamon
 But I can’t speak for thy at
 But I can’t speak for that (edited)

 I’ve also noticed that in meta from the elementary fork extra apps got installed and I will hunt them down for 20.10
 And they probably contribute to this mess
 I mean in a long term not just on this testing week. (re @ItzSwirlz: Find bugs.)
 Elementary is putting Pantheon on Debian Upstream? (re @ItzSwirlz: And they probably contribute to this mess)
 Oh! It’s complidoged and there’s many things... join t.me/ubuntucinnamon Dev (re @Reinaldo_Espinosa: I mean in a long term not just on this testing week.)
 Ugh can’t edit
 t.me/ubuntucinnamondev
 No-we forked our meta from elementary (re @Reinaldo_Espinosa: Elementary is putting Pantheon on Debian Upstream?)
 Already talked to someone from the release team, which kinda trumps the translation team. I forwarded some suggestions to the translation team, so hopefully that will get integrated. (re @philipz: )
 The following need support for today's testcases:
 Kubuntu
 Ubuntu
 Kylin
 Studio
 Xubuntu
 Budgie, MATE and Lubuntu already got some help.
 By the way, the date is amazing:
 20-2004-04
 20 as in 2020
 4-04 as in 404
 2004 as in our release
 xD
 i am (re @philipz: @popeydc are you on facebook, as i cant find you)
 I try not to use it much
 I'll take care of Ubuntu Desktop for today
 (amd64)
  (re @popeydc: i am)wanted to @ you but couldnt find you:
 now i found you :D
 I'm popeydc there too :)
 strange that i still cant @ you
 my account is quite locked down.
 thought it might be that
 Before placing a new ISO on a USB, is it necessary to erase EVERYTHING from the USB? Or do we just have to delete the data
 I use YUMI on windows and you dont have to erase the usb
 Ok
 someone just reported this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1870265
 guess i should be more specific, they just notified us at xubuntu that it also happens on the beta iso
 I use Disks in Ubuntu which just nukes what's on there (re @ItzSwirlz: Before placing a new ISO on a USB, is it necessary to erase EVERYTHING from the USB? Or do we just have to delete the data)
 As does the stock startup disk creator found in flavours. (re @popeydc: I use Disks in Ubuntu which just nukes what's on there)
 Same
 But what I mean is that, before I put on the ISO, I literally
 Format the ISO and remove everything-use the slow option, overwrite everything in zeroes.
 OMG
 LOL
 On mac for the flicker-free boot, there is no icon
 no
 So its just ubuntu on the bottom and a spinny thing in the middle lol
 you do not need to do any of that
 just put the stick in, open disks, choose restore, point to an iso image, follow prompts. no wipe needed
 Okay. Thanks

 Just no icon for mac, and I just find this to be an interesting discovery
 Anything you want me to test in Ubuntu Live Session?
 Wow. So much extra RAM being used on cinnamon-remix that it looks like Ubuntu uses less.
 It's about the same
[15:47] <lotuspsychje> @Itzswirlz: are you in -desktop live right now?
 Yes
 Amd64 on a MacBook Pro from like 3 years ago
[15:48] <lotuspsychje> @Itzswirlz: please also test bug #1867613
[15:48] <lotuspsychje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell-extension-ubuntu-dock/+bug/1867613
 Okay. Thanks
 I’m actually gonna bike now but I will
[15:49] <lotuspsychje> ok hf
 всем привет
 моя убунта катастрофеееее
[15:59] <lotuspsychje> welcome @AlexeyNikitin01 we speak english here
 kubuntu  katastrofe
[16:02] <lotuspsychje> @AlexeyNikitin01: elaborate please whats not working exactly?
 rdp  reset server
 rdp and  kvm   crash
 2 problem
[16:04] <lotuspsychje> @AlexeyNikitin01: ok, did you file bugs about this?
 ???
[16:05] <lotuspsychje> !bug


 xrdp
 no restart   linux
[16:10] <Eickmeyer[m]> !ru | @AlexeyNikitin01
 /join@ubuntutesting_bot
 /join@ubuntutesting_bot
 /join#ubuntu-ru
 Это только на английском языке группы. Пожалуйста, присоединяйтесь к #ubuntu-ru на IRC за помощью.
 please stop fiddling with the bot
 welcome @electragician
 Hi there, and thanks! (re @philipz: welcome @electragician)
 which ubuntu flavor are you looking to test
 kubuntu 20.04 Log Xrdp all is well.
 Next, select restart. No reboot, black screen.
 Another problem, iKVM login, everything works.
 Next we enter Xrdp, a black screen.
 If you make an Xrdp login, and then log in again from another Xrdp computer, then everything is fine.
 to whom to send a log?
 Does anyone else have an issue with stretched desktop image thumbs on 20.04?:
 No
 really? interesting. i have gnome tweaks installed and im not sure if its causing it
 ive been running the daily for about 6 weeks, and its been there since
 I have KDE
 👍 (re @AlexeyNikitin01: I have KDE)
 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell-extension-ubuntu-dock/+bug/1867613 I confirm bug.
[17:09] <WausauBill34> I downloaded the Kubuntu 20.04 beta and have it on a USB, went to install it on an old Windows 7 machine I have, but the installer is not recognizing there is already an operating system on the disk, I thought it was supposed to...
 @ItzSwirlz i assume you are not talking about my issue right? you referring to someone else? thanks
 you lotus?
 lotuspschyje?
 lotuspsychje? (edited)
 This is the bug with the icons not moving downwards to the bottom
 thats why i asked, mines a different one, np
 k
 just trying to ascertain if it is actually bigworthy, or if its just me
 just trying to ascertain if it is actually bug-worthy, or if its just me (edited)
 uhm
 if super key on mac is the command
 its not opening up activities
 Not set by default for me,
 Okay-on Mac, pressing Super does not open up Search menu. This is under ubuntu-desktop package, yes @popeydc ?
 WausauBill34: it definitely is supposed to
[17:48] <WausauBill34> The only guided install option I get is for the whole disk
 WausauBill34: how many hard disks do you have in your machine?
[17:51] <WausauBill34> Just one
[17:51] <oerheks> check bios, is SATA controller set to AHCI, not RAID
 strange that it only gives the option to use entire disk
 you should check gparted to see what it sees
 Ok, so I managed to get Starcraft II to run on K-20.04, but it is nowhere near as fast as on my 18.04 running on exactly the same hardware. My 18.04 bottoms out at 32FPS and never becomes unplayable, wheras on 20.04 got all the way down to <2, which was completely unplayable. I know that gaming is not a huge priority, but I'm big on proving that you can game just fine, if not bett
 is it running native or through wine or steam
 is this on the open source or proprietary driver
 Through WineHQ-Staging 5.5. Proprietary nVidia driver. It probably wouldn't even run the menus on Nouveau!
 GTX 1070 FTW2
 Core i5-8600K at stable 4.7GHz
 well less than 2 fps would sound like something you'd get on nouveau :D
 not sure what to file that against
 I've seen 2FPS on my i5-9400F.
 in Windows
 @RikMills @Sick_Rimmit any thoughts
 /me testing sc2 shortly...
[18:42] <RikMills> could be driver, could be mesa, could be kernel
[18:42]  * RikMills shrugs
 anyway for Zachariah to downgrade to previous driver, mesa and kernel from 18.04
 This is on a totally separate SSD. My 18.04 system is intact and running.
 i'm aware. just wondering how you could eliminate the other variable possibilities
 which @RikMills was mentioning
 I am using nVidia 430 on my 18.04 box. Looks like 20.04 went with 440. Don't know if that's the issue. There are indeed a lot of variables. I just want to make you guys aware that I have discovered this, and I will apply your ideas to try and track down the issue.
 are there any lower nvidia driver version numbers available in 20.04 that you can try
 Worst case I can manually install the driver just like I used to back in the day. I remember having to download the .run file and watch all the .'s go by as it installed. It usually filled the whole screen with progress dots.
 Unfortunately I have 5 projects hanging over my head and I have to spend the whole weekend developing.
 did you reply to this? (re @philipz: is it running native or through wine or steam)
 WineHQ-Staging 5.5
 my bad :D
 using this same version on 18.04?
 Zachariah - if the 430 driver installs on 20.04, it would be a good place to start looking
 But I think I am using Staging-5.3 on my 18.04 system. @MrPer4280 I didn't look to see what other driver versions were available in the Driver Manager.
 well that would be the first variable i'd check
 sometimes regressions happen between wine versions
 True dat
 wine-staging 5.5, nvidia 440.64, 1080 card runs SC2 @ 4k all settings maxed, frame rates mid 30's to mid 50's.
 is that on kubuntu?
  (re @DarinMiller: wine-staging 5.5, nvidia 440.64, 1080 card runs SC2 @ 4k all settings maxed, frame rates mid 30's to mid 50's.)
 yes, kubuntu
 guess that eliminates some portion of the variables
 https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1870820
 @DarinMiller thank you for that. I must have failed to configure Winetricks correctly. Did you enable Vulkan?
 no vulkan, but I will  try it soon as I figure out how to do it...
 Ubuntu Cinnamon installed on Mac, Calamares FTW :)