[00:01] <Unit193> Filtered diffstat of xfce4-terminal: 11 files changed, 57 insertions(+), 20 deletions(-), that seems safe.
[00:01] <Unit193> debdiff xfce4-terminal_0.8.9.1-1.dsc xfce4-terminal_0.8.9.2-1.dsc | filterdiff -x '*.po' -x '*/configure' -x '*/ChangeLog'
[07:21] <ochosi> Unit193: indeed, most of what i run is from git tbh... all the 4.15 stuff. but i'll soon try to do more 4.15 releases so ppl have a better basis for testing
[07:52] <Unit193> Eh, that's not really related.
[11:24] <bluesabre> Unit193: my desktop suspends quickly, but coming back from suspend I see a black screen and a cursor bar for about 30 seconds before everything comes back. It's very bizarre... I figure it's probably just the weird combination of cheap gaming parts in a Cyberpower pc.
[11:25] <Unit193> Full desktop I presume?
[11:25] <bluesabre> Yeah
[12:34] <ochosi> sounds odd, havent seen that before
[15:18] <FurretUber> Hi, there is a strange crash happening on Focal. By the messages, it seems to be caused by xfwm4: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1870265
[15:18] <FurretUber> I was able to reproduce this crash from the Xubuntu Beta
[15:18] <FurretUber> Also, I was unable to reproduce it from Lubuntu Beta
[15:31] <jphilips> thanks for reporting FurretUber 
[19:05] -BottyMcBotFace:#xubuntu-devel- ::xfce4-announce:: ANNOUNCE: garcon 0.7.0 released @ http://xfce.10915.n7.nabble.com/ANNOUNCE-garcon-0-7-0-released-tp58173.html (by Simon Steinbeiss)
[22:06] -BottyMcBotFace:#xubuntu-devel- ::xfce4-announce:: ANNOUNCE: libxfce4ui 4.15.2 released @ http://xfce.10915.n7.nabble.com/ANNOUNCE-libxfce4ui-4-15-2-released-tp58178.html (by Simon Steinbeiss)
[22:35] <bikepunk> hi all, 
[22:37] <bikepunk> what is the reason to have an entry for xfce4-terminal --prefecrences in the applications menu ?
[22:37] <bikepunk> I find it super confusing, 
[22:38] <bikepunk> the entry is called xfce terminal and it has the very same logo as the entry to launch the actual terminal
[22:39] <bikepunk> the preferences are anyway accessible from the Edit>Preferences within xfce4 terminal
[22:41]  * bikepunk is looking into https://docs.xfce.org/apps/terminal/bugs
[22:42] <bikepunk> not sure its the good place to report that issue tough
[22:45] <brainwash> bikepunk: it's the entry from the Settings category
[22:45] <Unit193> If you use whisker, you wouldn't know.
[22:45] <brainwash> which is shown in the settings manager also
[22:46] <brainwash> I was under the impression that this entry was changed or adjusted already
[22:47] <brainwash> https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14456
[22:48] -BottyMcBotFace:#xubuntu-devel- ::xfce4-announce:: ANNOUNCE: xfce4-clipman-plugin 1.6.1 released @ http://xfce.10915.n7.nabble.com/ANNOUNCE-xfce4-clipman-plugin-1-6-1-released-tp58180.html (by Simon Steinbeiss)
[22:56] <bikepunk> brainwash, I use whisker
[22:56] <bikepunk> when I type "term" in the search, I get 2 entries, same logo and similar name :-(
[22:57] <bikepunk> oups I was talking to Unit193 
[22:57] <brainwash> I thought that this part was clear
[22:58] <brainwash> and I linked the upstream report
[22:59] <bikepunk> brainwash, yep, this is the issue I was reporting, thanks for the link ;-)
[22:59] <brainwash> the report is closed, so the issue should be fixed
[22:59] <bikepunk> it's not fixed in up to date 18.04
[22:59] <bikepunk> hope it will be in 20.04
[23:00] <brainwash> probably
[23:00] <bikepunk> but still I dont understant the need to have an entry for terminal preferences, may be I'm just weird
[23:00] <brainwash> well, now is the time to test it
[23:01] <brainwash> terminal preferences is meant for the Settings category which is used by the Settings Manager too
[23:01] <brainwash> you can find Thunar preferences there too
[23:02] <bikepunk> I see that, I dont understand the logic of it. But it's not a bug, it's a personal feeling
[23:03] <brainwash> modifying those settings without actually opening xfce4-terminal or Thunar?
[23:04] <bikepunk> yep. I don't know any user who would do that
[23:04] <bikepunk> all the users I know run the stuff then clic on preferences if needed
[23:09] <bikepunk> I wanted to report the same kind of issue for the entry "softwares & updates" opening software-properties-gtk
[23:09] <bikepunk> but may be this is fixed too
[23:10] <brainwash> best to actually check it
[23:10] <Unit193> That's used to configure software and updates, not sure what's there to fix..
[23:10] <bikepunk> Unit193, the bloody misleading name !
[23:10] <Unit193> How?
[23:11] <bikepunk> "configuration" shall be explicitly in the name of the entry
[23:11] <Unit193> It's in settings, sooo...
[23:11] <bikepunk> not when you're using search
[23:11] <Unit193> Should all entries in settings contain the name 'configuration'?
[23:11] <Unit193> Perhaps search should be modified to show what category it is in.
[23:11] <bikepunk> Unit193, yep, may be
[23:12] <Unit193> Note: We don't maintain software-properties-gtk so that one at least wasn't our fault anyway. :D
[23:12] <bikepunk> I don't blame anyone, just trying to make things better 
[23:14] <bikepunk> xubuntu people might maintain the name of the entry in the menu though
[23:14] <Unit193> Hah, yeah that was mainly an 'not our doing' thing, more of a lighthearted joke.  This doesn't seem great though https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-properties/+bug/1860504
[23:17] <bikepunk> oups ^
[23:24] <Unit193> In settings, you have a couple that say 'manager', some say 'preferences', some say 'settings', some are very clear by the name, and some just rely on category.
[23:25] <bikepunk> I find the name "Software-properties" much more meaningful than "Software & updates"
[23:25] <bikepunk> it's actually the name of the package...
[23:26] <bikepunk> most of the GUI users I see are misleaded and open that to make the apt upgrade
[23:27] <bikepunk> while CLI users are not bothered by the GUI misleading stuff
[23:29] <Unit193> ← 
[23:29] <Unit193> I have Synaptic installed, also trying package-update-indicator, but I don't use the GUI for updates or package management.
[23:30] <bikepunk> I avoid GUI as much as possible for my personnal use
[23:31] <Unit193> I use a web browser!
[23:32] <bikepunk> but since I help installing xubuntu to people making the switch to FOSS
[23:32] <bikepunk> I actually see what people do, try and understand
[23:32] <bikepunk> and the current menu entries are quite misleading
[23:32] <Unit193> I also use applications menu, not whisker, so the presentation is different.
[23:34] <bikepunk> "applications menu" is what you get with default alt + F3 ?
[23:40] <bikepunk> Unit193, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-properties/+bug/1222527/comments/5
[23:40] <bikepunk> someone has implemented in gnome search what you suggested for whisker
[23:45]  * bikepunk go to sleep.
[23:45] <bikepunk> I will try the beta 20.04 tomorow for testing and file some enhencements for the future
[23:46] <bikepunk> thanks for your work ;-)
[23:48] <bikepunk> wow, the misleading name bug is actually open since 2013...
[23:48] <bikepunk> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-properties/+bug/1222527