[00:01] Filtered diffstat of xfce4-terminal: 11 files changed, 57 insertions(+), 20 deletions(-), that seems safe. [00:01] debdiff xfce4-terminal_0.8.9.1-1.dsc xfce4-terminal_0.8.9.2-1.dsc | filterdiff -x '*.po' -x '*/configure' -x '*/ChangeLog' [07:21] Unit193: indeed, most of what i run is from git tbh... all the 4.15 stuff. but i'll soon try to do more 4.15 releases so ppl have a better basis for testing [07:52] Eh, that's not really related. [11:24] Unit193: my desktop suspends quickly, but coming back from suspend I see a black screen and a cursor bar for about 30 seconds before everything comes back. It's very bizarre... I figure it's probably just the weird combination of cheap gaming parts in a Cyberpower pc. [11:25] Full desktop I presume? [11:25] Yeah [12:34] sounds odd, havent seen that before [15:18] Hi, there is a strange crash happening on Focal. By the messages, it seems to be caused by xfwm4: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1870265 [15:18] Launchpad bug 1870265 in linux (Ubuntu) "Intel GPU causes BUG: kernel NULL pointer dereference, address: 0000000000000040" [Undecided,Confirmed] [15:18] I was able to reproduce this crash from the Xubuntu Beta [15:18] Also, I was unable to reproduce it from Lubuntu Beta [15:31] thanks for reporting FurretUber [19:05] -BottyMcBotFace:#xubuntu-devel- ::xfce4-announce:: ANNOUNCE: garcon 0.7.0 released @ http://xfce.10915.n7.nabble.com/ANNOUNCE-garcon-0-7-0-released-tp58173.html (by Simon Steinbeiss) [22:06] -BottyMcBotFace:#xubuntu-devel- ::xfce4-announce:: ANNOUNCE: libxfce4ui 4.15.2 released @ http://xfce.10915.n7.nabble.com/ANNOUNCE-libxfce4ui-4-15-2-released-tp58178.html (by Simon Steinbeiss) [22:35] hi all, [22:37] what is the reason to have an entry for xfce4-terminal --prefecrences in the applications menu ? [22:37] I find it super confusing, [22:38] the entry is called xfce terminal and it has the very same logo as the entry to launch the actual terminal [22:39] the preferences are anyway accessible from the Edit>Preferences within xfce4 terminal [22:41] * bikepunk is looking into https://docs.xfce.org/apps/terminal/bugs [22:42] not sure its the good place to report that issue tough [22:45] bikepunk: it's the entry from the Settings category [22:45] If you use whisker, you wouldn't know. [22:45] which is shown in the settings manager also [22:46] I was under the impression that this entry was changed or adjusted already [22:47] https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14456 [22:47] bugzilla.xfce.org bug 14456 in General "Entry name for xfce4-terminal-settings in Whisker menu is misleading" [Minor,Resolved: fixed] [22:48] -BottyMcBotFace:#xubuntu-devel- ::xfce4-announce:: ANNOUNCE: xfce4-clipman-plugin 1.6.1 released @ http://xfce.10915.n7.nabble.com/ANNOUNCE-xfce4-clipman-plugin-1-6-1-released-tp58180.html (by Simon Steinbeiss) [22:56] brainwash, I use whisker [22:56] when I type "term" in the search, I get 2 entries, same logo and similar name :-( [22:57] oups I was talking to Unit193 [22:57] I thought that this part was clear [22:58] and I linked the upstream report [22:59] brainwash, yep, this is the issue I was reporting, thanks for the link ;-) [22:59] the report is closed, so the issue should be fixed [22:59] it's not fixed in up to date 18.04 [22:59] hope it will be in 20.04 [23:00] probably [23:00] but still I dont understant the need to have an entry for terminal preferences, may be I'm just weird [23:00] well, now is the time to test it [23:01] terminal preferences is meant for the Settings category which is used by the Settings Manager too [23:01] you can find Thunar preferences there too [23:02] I see that, I dont understand the logic of it. But it's not a bug, it's a personal feeling [23:03] modifying those settings without actually opening xfce4-terminal or Thunar? [23:04] yep. I don't know any user who would do that [23:04] all the users I know run the stuff then clic on preferences if needed [23:09] I wanted to report the same kind of issue for the entry "softwares & updates" opening software-properties-gtk [23:09] but may be this is fixed too [23:10] best to actually check it [23:10] That's used to configure software and updates, not sure what's there to fix.. [23:10] Unit193, the bloody misleading name ! [23:10] How? [23:11] "configuration" shall be explicitly in the name of the entry [23:11] It's in settings, sooo... [23:11] not when you're using search [23:11] Should all entries in settings contain the name 'configuration'? [23:11] Perhaps search should be modified to show what category it is in. [23:11] Unit193, yep, may be [23:12] Note: We don't maintain software-properties-gtk so that one at least wasn't our fault anyway. :D [23:12] I don't blame anyone, just trying to make things better [23:14] xubuntu people might maintain the name of the entry in the menu though [23:14] Hah, yeah that was mainly an 'not our doing' thing, more of a lighthearted joke. This doesn't seem great though https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-properties/+bug/1860504 [23:14] Launchpad bug 1860504 in software-properties (Ubuntu) "software-properties-gtk fails to launch via "Additional Drivers" or via terminal" [Low,New] [23:17] oups ^ [23:24] In settings, you have a couple that say 'manager', some say 'preferences', some say 'settings', some are very clear by the name, and some just rely on category. [23:25] I find the name "Software-properties" much more meaningful than "Software & updates" [23:25] it's actually the name of the package... [23:26] most of the GUI users I see are misleaded and open that to make the apt upgrade [23:27] while CLI users are not bothered by the GUI misleading stuff [23:29] ← [23:29] I have Synaptic installed, also trying package-update-indicator, but I don't use the GUI for updates or package management. [23:30] I avoid GUI as much as possible for my personnal use [23:31] I use a web browser! [23:32] but since I help installing xubuntu to people making the switch to FOSS [23:32] I actually see what people do, try and understand [23:32] and the current menu entries are quite misleading [23:32] I also use applications menu, not whisker, so the presentation is different. [23:34] "applications menu" is what you get with default alt + F3 ? [23:40] Unit193, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-properties/+bug/1222527/comments/5 [23:40] Launchpad bug 1222527 in software-properties (Ubuntu) "Rename 'Software & Updates' label" [Low,Confirmed] [23:40] someone has implemented in gnome search what you suggested for whisker [23:45] * bikepunk go to sleep. [23:45] I will try the beta 20.04 tomorow for testing and file some enhencements for the future [23:46] thanks for your work ;-) [23:48] wow, the misleading name bug is actually open since 2013... [23:48] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-properties/+bug/1222527 [23:48] Launchpad bug 1222527 in software-properties (Ubuntu) "Rename 'Software & Updates' label" [Low,Confirmed]