=== cpaelzer__ is now known as cpaelzer [15:00] o/ [15:01] o/ [15:01] o/ [15:04] o/ (Time split with an IT Security matter @ work, so not 100% here) [15:06] i don't see Simon here [15:06] so someone else might need to chair. (Can't be me as i'm splitting time/attention by work duties) [15:07] next in the charing list is slashd but he doesn't appear around either [15:08] *sigh* fine I"ll give this a try... gonna need to brush up on meetingology commands though [15:08] teward i'm earlier than you in the charing list, so i can chair if you prefer [15:08] yeah please do [15:08] i need to make notes on meetingology again 'cause I haven't used it in a while :p [15:08] ack, i'll give it a try, may be slow on the cmds [15:09] o/ guys can someonelse chair today for me ? I'll be here but on and off [15:09] same :P [15:09] sorry about that [15:09] #startmeeting [15:09] Meeting started Mon Apr 6 15:09:21 2020 UTC. The chair is ddstreet. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [15:09] Available commands: action commands idea info link nick [15:09] #topic Review of previous action items === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Review of previous action items [15:10] tsimonq2 to better document what we expect applicants to know (carried over) [15:10] simon isn't here so we'll have to carry over his action item. [15:10] ddstreet to define an initial list of 'flavor teams' [15:11] I sent an email to the list, as far as i can tell the short summary is there is a list of all flavor teams in my email, so we can set the expiry for those teams [15:11] but also, two of the flavors do not have teams [15:11] so, i think we also need to create teams for those 2 flavors, ubuntu-mate and ubuntustudio [15:12] ubuntu studio has a dev team [15:12] it's just not part of the packageset [15:12] (I'm on the dev team for Studio :P) [15:12] ok then probably the packageset should be changed over to use the dev team, instead of just rosco2 [15:12] right? [15:12] ddstreet: add an action item RE: that team to me to follow up with Erich Eickmeyer (flavor lead) RE: a 'core' team for them with upload rights [15:12] the dev team includes quite a few people I would not want to give direct upload rights to [15:13] (i'll act as liaison since I"m actually on their team helping with upload sponsors and NEW stuff) [15:13] * Eickmeyer butts-in [15:13] We technically *do* have a core team of which I'm the owner. [15:13] I know that doesn't include upload rights [15:13] Eickmeyer: given YOU do not even have upload rights to the studio packageset yet because you haven't applied, we need to discuss this outside of the DMB meeting [15:14] teward: ack [15:14] #action teward follow up with Erich Eickmeyer (flavor lead) RE: a 'core' team for them with upload rights [15:14] ACTION: teward follow up with Erich Eickmeyer (flavor lead) RE: a 'core' team for them with upload rights [15:14] my two cents. [15:14] ('cause it's a larger discussioN) [15:14] ('cause it's a larger discussion) [15:14] ok that's for ubuntustudio, what about for ubuntu-mate? [15:15] someone should follow up on changing it to use a team for packageset owner instead of just flexiondotorg [15:15] teward you want to take that one as well? [15:15] I don't ahve any direct ties to the MATE team but i'll take the action item [15:16] ack thanks [15:16] #action teward follow up on packageset owning team for ubuntu-mate [15:16] ACTION: teward follow up on packageset owning team for ubuntu-mate [15:16] ok and just so i don't forget we're carrying over simon's item [15:17] #action tsimonq2 to better document what we expect applicants to know (carried over) [15:17] ACTION: tsimonq2 to better document what we expect applicants to know (carried over) [15:17] #meetingtopic DMB Meeting === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds: Please leave swords by the door | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | be nice | DMB Meeting | Current topic: Review of previous action items [15:17] (we forgot to set the topic heh) [15:17] thanks [15:18] ok to finish up this action item, someone needs to set expiry time on the existing identified flavor teams, unless anyone else wants that i can take it [15:18] #action ddstreet set expiry time on identified flavor teams [15:18] ACTION: ddstreet set expiry time on identified flavor teams [15:19] also, if anyone disagrees with the list i sent, feel free to comment, of course [15:19] i haven't had time to review it yet ddstreet [15:19] so at least for the next few days don't kick expiry into gear yet if possible [15:19] i want to review it ;0 [15:19] ;) * [15:19] ack, i'll wait until next week to do that [15:19] ok, on with the carried over items [15:20] (out of order) [15:20] teward to handle request "Requesting upload rights for ltsp" [15:20] Completed, and rights granted per PPU mechanisms [15:20] teward to handle request "Adding lubuntu-update-notifier to the Lubuntu package set" [15:20] Carry it over, still figuring out the packageset stuff [15:20] unless you know how to do it (I haven't found docs on it) [15:20] BUt i will ultimately ACK that into the packageset as it's only an Lubuntu package [15:21] i do not, i'm happy to let you carry it over :) [15:21] yep [15:21] #action teward to handle request "Adding lubuntu-update-notifier to the Lubuntu package set" [15:21] ACTION: teward to handle request "Adding lubuntu-update-notifier to the Lubuntu package set" [15:21] rafaeldtinoco to handle request "Expired MOTU membership" [15:21] rafaeldtinoco is not around, so we can carry this over also [15:21] #action rafaeldtinoco to handle request "Expired MOTU membership" (carried over) [15:22] ACTION: rafaeldtinoco to handle request "Expired MOTU membership" (carried over) [15:22] yes pls [15:22] sorry, i'll do this week [15:22] ah hi o/ [15:22] ack thanks [15:22] slashd to handle request "Please add new printing-related packages to my upload rights into main" [15:22] rafaeldtinoco: if you don't get time let me know, and I'll give it a review/handle (I literally am bored off my butt with work from home heh) [15:22] teward: alright. tku, will try to have it done but will let u kow [15:23] yep [15:23] NOW onto slashd :) [15:23] slashd any update for printing pkgs item? [15:23] ddstreet: not yet, will do my best to look at it this week. [15:23] been a bit crazy lately for me [15:24] ack, thanks [15:24] #action slashd to handle request "Please add new printing-related packages to my upload rights into main" (carried over) [15:24] ACTION: slashd to handle request "Please add new printing-related packages to my upload rights into main" (carried over) [15:24] ddstreet to write up a proposal for upload access expiry following some period of disuse [15:24] i have not got to this [15:24] #action ddstreet to write up a proposal for upload access expiry following some period of disuse (carried over) [15:24] ACTION: ddstreet to write up a proposal for upload access expiry following some period of disuse (carried over) [15:24] ok i think that's all the carried over items [15:25] yep [15:25] The PPU application is set for next meeting, so skipping over that [15:25] yep, we have no MOTU, SRU Dev, or Core Dev applications [15:25] just a few mailing list items [15:25] #topic Outstanding mailing list requests to assign === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds: Please leave swords by the door | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | be nice | DMB Meeting | Current topic: Outstanding mailing list requests to assign [15:25] Consider dissolution of packagesets for defunct flavor: edubuntu (teward) [15:26] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2020-March/001466.html [15:26] For those who haven't reviewed my email on the mailing list yet I can summarize: [15:26] Basically, in regards to the LTSP request, it brought up a point that Edubuntu is dead - and as a result the packageset has no need to exist [15:26] my proposal is to remove the packageset and thsoe who need direct upload to those packages can continue to apply via PPU processes [15:26] such dissolution of the packageset will, in my opinion, require quorum vote [15:27] my only question re: that is there appears to be 1 memeber who would then lose existing upload rights [15:27] should we make them re-apply to get upload rights back? [15:28] or create a personal packageset for them? [15:28] specifically, - Alkis Georgopoulos (alkisg) [15:28] Can we invite that person to join the discussion? [15:28] and the edbuntu packageset is https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/packagesets/focal/edubuntu [15:28] Ask them what they'd like. [15:29] it looks like stgraber owuld be affected as well as alkisg, unless stgraber has core and i'm blind at reading their memberships [15:29] question, we would have to approve to this person ppu for all those pkgs then ? [15:29] stgraber is a core dev [15:29] then i am blind :) [15:29] So no impact to him [15:29] rafaeldtinoco: it'd probably make sense to make a packageset for that user - a personal packageset for alkisg [15:29] I'm not opposed to that [15:29] thats why I ask, to make sure we are on the same page [15:29] but because of the dead edubuntu flavor, edubuntu-dev still has uploads. [15:30] If we did that, it'd be individual PPU, not a personal packageset. [15:30] mmm, we would have to do it a PPU then. I think we'll have to loop in alkisg, but I'm hesitant to keep defunct flavors' packagesets around [15:30] just my two cents [15:30] I suggest we propose it to alkisg [15:30] +1 [15:30] Before making any decision [15:30] +1 [15:31] +1 [15:31] anyone want to take that action item? [15:31] so then action item is to reach out to aklisg and ask if they're willing to make a PPU application for all the packages [15:31] *raises hand* [15:31] ... if you want to keep assigning things to me that is :p [15:31] No even a PPU application [15:31] I don't think an application is necessary [15:31] just the change to happen [15:31] We should just ask if a transfer to PPU would be acceptable as a way forward [15:31] We can figure out how we want to achieve that later. [15:32] (I'm in favour of JFDI with no application) [15:32] sgtm [15:32] agreed, so i'll take the action item of proposing to them and then JFDI if that's OK'd [15:32] #action teward discuss edbuntu conversion to ppu with aklisg [15:32] ACTION: teward discuss edbuntu conversion to ppu with aklisg [15:32] thanks! [15:32] One consequence is that things that might have previously qualified to just-be-added to the edubuntu packageset will now require individual PPU applications. [15:32] I think that would be fine though - just pointing it out. [15:33] rbasak: my opinion is that the Edubuntu Package Set is a legacy piece [15:33] Agreed [15:33] leftover from the defunct flavor [15:33] as such, NOTHING gets added to Edubuntu going forward [15:33] but we're free to remove from or dissolve the packageset [15:34] which is why I gave them PPU via DM on their ML request. [15:34] that's my opinion regarding defunct packagesets anyways [15:35] ok so should we vote on edbuntu dissolution now, or wait until after teward talks to aklisg? [15:35] after teward talks to alkisg please [15:35] ddstreet: carry that over, we want to talk to alkisg [15:35] yep [15:35] ack, so let's move to the next email request [15:35] Please add ukui packages to the ubuntukylin package set (handsome_feng) [15:35] i think this, and the next one, are trivial items that any indivudla dmb member can handle [15:36] just adding packages to packageset [15:36] Yes, but [15:36] If it's an automatically generated packageset, then that makes it complicated [15:36] ah right since it's flavor pkgset [15:36] If you just add it to the packageset in Launchpad, that will revert the next time the automation is run [15:37] so in this case, the actual action is to run the script tooling to update the packageset from the seeds [15:37] right? [15:37] I'm not sure all flavor packagesets are generated by the script [15:37] ddstreet: yeah, roughly [15:37] ok i guess we should take an item to check the tooling, and run it [15:37] Hopefully the script will agree with the request, and then it can just happen [15:37] Otherwise the script logic and/or exception lists might need adjusting [15:38] any volunteers for that? [15:38] i can give it a try [15:38] thanks! [15:39] #action rafaeldtinoco look at flavor packageset tooling re: update of ubuntukylin packageset, run tooling to update packageset [15:39] ACTION: rafaeldtinoco look at flavor packageset tooling re: update of ubuntukylin packageset, run tooling to update packageset [15:39] request to add jsunit to the mozilla packageset (olivier.tilloy) [15:39] this isn't a flavor packageset (mozilla) so i think this should just be a manual addition to the packageset [15:40] any volunteers? [15:40] i can handle it [15:41] don't overload yourself :) [15:41] yes i know i'm volunteering for everything but if anyone else wants it feel free to take it [15:41] ddstreet: put into perspective: [15:41] 90% of the day i'm sitting on my butt bingewatching TV and checking email and work chat for tasks [15:41] so i am not overloaded - i'm DYING for stuff to keep me entertained :) [15:41] ah well that makes sense :) [15:41] so if anyone else wants it take it, otherwise assign it to me [15:42] looks like it's yours ;) [15:42] #action teward request to add jsunit to the mozilla packageset (olivier.tilloy) [15:42] ACTION: teward request to add jsunit to the mozilla packageset (olivier.tilloy) [15:42] aso i've already binged Stargate SG-1 from Season 1 to final episode of Season 10 already with WFH - which gives you an idea of exactly HOW BUSY I am not :p [15:42] lol, sg-1 is a good one to watch [15:43] ok last item i think [15:43] #topic Select a chair for the next meeting (following alphabetical order of first names) [15:43] * RikMills loans teward Atlantis Bluerays === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds: Please leave swords by the door | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | be nice | DMB Meeting | Current topic: Select a chair for the next meeting (following alphabetical order of first names) [15:43] It'll be Simon again I guess? [15:44] RikMills: joke's on you, I have 4k streaming of it via Amazon Prime :) [15:44] And ddstreet can move himself to the end. [15:44] teward: ditto [15:44] ack sounds good, i'll move myself in the list but otherwise leave as is [15:44] rbasak: i'd say we need to remove Simon from the chairs list for now [15:44] i can't even raise him on texts at the moment [15:44] and that's no easy feat [15:44] * rbasak doesn't mind [15:44] (who is chair) [15:44] ack, will do that too [15:44] Just do something, and call it done please :) [15:44] yep [15:44] ok AOB? [15:45] 10... [15:45] 5 [15:45] 4 [15:45] 3 [15:45] yep [15:45] you do have othe rbusiness? [15:45] but nothing that needs discussion - thanks to everyone on the DMB for being alive since the recent election [15:45] it's great we can get quorum and discussions regularly again :) [15:45] agreed! [15:45] (so nothing crucial just something to point out) [15:46] ok 2, 1, done [15:46] #endmeeting === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds: Please leave swords by the door | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | be nice [15:46] Meeting ended Mon Apr 6 15:46:04 2020 UTC. [15:46] Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2020/ubuntu-meeting.2020-04-06-15.09.moin.txt [15:46] thanks everyone! [15:47] Thank you for chairing ddstreet! [15:47] indeed, thanks! [15:47] it was fun, hopefully i didn't wander too much or miss any items :) [15:47] nope, if anything I was the most tangent-causing :P [15:47] also my apologies for just punting Eickmeyer to another location heh [15:48] but i didn't want a long drawn out discussion here RE: upload rights :) [15:48] * Eickmeyer salts teward [15:48] * teward pours molten fluoride salts onto Eickmeyer's computer [15:48] I WIN [15:48] *shot* [15:48] anyways, back to work for me! [15:48] Eickmeyer: I'll follow up with you via Telegram [15:48] teward: sounds good. :) === rafaeldtinoco_ is now known as rafaeldtinoco === Trevinho_ is now known as Trevinho