[00:05] <blahboybaz> Is there still a download for ubuntu base system (do they call it 'minimal'?). If so, can it be installed bia usb and alongside win 10?
[00:07] <blahboybaz> And I have a question about the proper settings for bios on this Toshiba C55-C5270  with  insyde bios version 5.10 (9/11/2015)
[00:08] <oerheks> the installer gives the minimal option indeed
[00:08] <oerheks> else the mini iso, to choose from tons of desktops and services
[00:09] <oerheks> https://ubuntu.com/download/alternative-downloads
[00:09] <oerheks> tip: let windows 10 make free space.
[00:11] <blahboybaz> oerheks: You mean by running the utility in win 10?
[00:12] <oerheks> no., install side by side
[00:12] <oerheks> oh, to make space, yes
[00:12] <oerheks> disks managment.
[00:12] <oerheks> it calculates itself the max you can select
[00:13] <blahboybaz> that's the name I couln't remember.
[00:13] <oerheks> have fun!
[00:13] <blahboybaz> I found and downloaded the mini.iso for 18.04  -->  do I have to use some special tool or website to make it bootable on usb?
[00:13] <Bashing-om> blahboybaz: oerheks So far as I know this is still true: "The mini iso lacks the proper files for booting the computer in UEFI mode.". https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[00:13] <oerheks> rufus, i think ..
[00:13] <oerheks> !usb
[00:14] <blahboybaz> got it. thanks
[00:14] <oerheks> oh, yes, uefi.. if you need it, get the regular installer and choose minimal, it will give gnome3.
[00:17] <Bashing-om> blahboybaz: Also there is xfce: http://xubuntu.org/news/introducing-xubuntu-core/ <- Mininal install with options
[00:17] <blahboybaz> I'm guessing https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD  means for you to simply copy the file'dd_text_16.04-UEFI-n-BIOS-4-pendrive-7.8GB.img.xz' to a freshly formatted usb stick and expect it to boot?
[00:19] <blahboybaz> oerheks: by "regular installer" you mean the 18.04 desktop download?
[00:19] <oerheks> yes.
[00:21] <oerheks> i would do mini.iso, not on top of the list, http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/bionic-updates/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/mini.iso
[00:21] <blahboybaz> thanks
[00:33] <blahboybaz> ia there a max size for usb in a usb install? all I have is a 16 gb thumb drive
[00:33] <blahboybaz> will it be reconized?
[00:35] <oerheks> no problem, the spare space will stay unused
[00:41] <blahboybaz> thanks
[01:17] <eelstrebor> pragmaticenigma, thanks for the reply. yes, some of the stuff under system slows down the operation but i didn't have  memory checked - "free disk space" popped up a dialog box saying that it is very slow - don't know if that dragged the memory down but i unchecked it
[01:26] <pragmaticenigma> eelstrebor: best recommendation is to really read the documentation that comes with that tool. Make sure you fully understand what that tool is doing. It has been known to damage and break Ubuntu (and other distributions) installs. Please use with great care
[01:47] <nicolasbock> Hi. I just installed Focal on my laptop and found that it can't hibernate. Are there instructions somewhere on how to set that up?
[01:50] <RoadRunner> problems connecting new printer to xub 16.04; printer troubleshooter says CUPS service isn't running. Where do I find 'Services' to start it?
[01:56] <blahboybaz> I'm trying to use rufus to create a bootable usb for ubuntu 18.04 on windows 10.. it keeps erroriing out and failing! First the os (windoze) gives a pop up in the lower right saying the device is no longer recognzed and then rufus fails and gives error code 0xc00300037 device is no longer available
[01:56] <blahboybaz> what do do?
[01:56] <blahboybaz> doodoo!
[01:56] <blahboybaz> I've made 3 attempts
[01:57] <Napsterbater> Try a different USB port or even a different USB drive.
[01:57] <blahboybaz> Napsterbater: no such thing - this is all i got
[02:00] <Napsterbater> If you cannot change the USB port and use and you cannot use a different thumb drive. Or I guess another computer to image with. Not sure what else you're going to do.
[02:00] <pragmaticenigma> !ubuntu+1 | nicolasbock
[02:01] <pragmaticenigma> nicolasbock: UBuntu 20.04 has not been released yet... If you are looking for a stable install, I would recommend installing 18.04
[02:01] <blahboybaz> Napsterbater: it looks like it's completing by using a different port. I didn't see that part in your first respons (about using a different port) until I re-read it.
[02:02] <blahboybaz> Seems to have succeeded
[02:02] <Napsterbater> Awesome
[02:02] <blahboybaz> thanks
[02:03] <Napsterbater> Just make note to yourself that port is flaky. And save yourself some headache in the future. It's always annoying when you have a flaky USB port
[02:06] <blahboybaz> Is there some shortcut keys or some other thing I need to do after the instlaller launches in order to do a minimal install?
[02:07] <blahboybaz> Is it obvious? Some button in the installer or drop down to select that type of install?
[02:08] <Napsterbater> It should ask you when you start the installation. At least that's what I just found. should be on the same screen that asked you if you want to update while installing.
[02:10] <Napsterbater> This link has a picture of what the option should look like.   https://www.fosslinux.com/3618/ubuntu-18-04-lts-minimal-installation-option-review.htm
[02:11] <blahboybaz> Napsterbater: Thanks, I'll look for it (reading about bios config still)  :>
[02:14] <blahboybaz> here goes nothing
[02:18] <relipse2> can someone try my program on wine and tell me if it works? https://cworklog.com/winproductive
[02:20] <oerheks> relipse2, please don't. thanks.
[02:27] <relipse2> what's wrong oerheks
[02:28] <oerheks> please no spam in this support channel.
[02:29] <oerheks> i think #winehq does not like it either, that is the place for applicationhelp.
[02:34] <nicolasbock> Thanks pragmaticenigma . I'll go ask there.
[02:47] <blahboybaz> ybaz> something there like that 'other' instructions said  --but--  is there yet a setting in the BIOS to disable this feature and I'm just not finding it?
[02:47] <blahboybaz> ybaz> Also there is in the ubuntu instructions says to disable SRT (Intel Smart Response Technology) but I don't see that in BIOS
[02:47] <blahboybaz> What happens is even though the boot order is set to boot from usb first, when I press the power button it just boots windoze straightaway
[02:48] <GoneViral> So I swear I asked alis but I can't seem to find if there's a specific Pop!_OS channel?
[02:49] <blahboybaz> sorry - incomplete / typo in first message...
[02:49] <blahboybaz> baz> The article https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI  seems to suggest that disablingQuickBoot/FastBoot is done in BIOS setting but I did not see any setting for that in my BIOS. When I did further search on theinternet I found instruction showing it to reside in the os setting (I'm have windows
[02:49] <blahboybaz> 10). When I looked in the setting in the os I do s
[02:49] <blahboybaz> ee  baz> The article https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI  seems to suggest that disablingQuickBoot/FastBoot is done in BIOS setting but I did not see any setting for that in my BIOS. When I did further search on theinternet I found instruction showing it to reside in the os setting (I'm have
[02:49] <blahboybaz> windows 10). When I looked in the setting in the os I
[02:49] <blahboybaz> do see
[02:55] <GoneViral> maybe I can sneak a question in if the novel is done?
[02:55] <blahboybaz> the ubuntu article says "In your firmware, disable QuickBoot/FastBoot and Intel Smart Response Technology (SRT). If you have Windows 8, also disable Fast Startup"  and I double checked the terminology in my os. I see that it is the "Fast Startup" that I have in the os  but I'm not seeing any option
[02:55] <blahboybaz> to disable "QuickBoot/FastBoot" in my BIOS. What g
[02:55] <blahboybaz> ives?
[02:55] <GoneViral> nope, guess not
[02:56] <blahboybaz> GoneViral: you ever made a mistake in your life?
[02:56] <GoneViral> many, many times
[02:56] <blahboybaz> go ahead...  my problem isn't important at all
[02:56] <GoneViral> I didn't mean it that way. I just meant that my question would get lost in that.
[02:57] <GoneViral> I meant no offense :)
[02:57] <GoneViral> Sorry if it came across that way.
[03:01] <blahboybaz> GoneViral: no worries man
[03:01] <blahboybaz> its all good
[03:02] <GoneViral> (I was actually just wondering if there's a Pop!_OS channel so I can get out of your hair)
[03:03] <GoneViral> I basically just want to live on the edge and upgrade to 20.04 (beta/not-quite-stable)
[03:53] <bdju> GoneViral: Looks like they've got a Mattermost chat, but I can't find anything about an IRC channel. https://chat.pop-os.org/
[03:54] <bdju> https://system76.com/pop/community found from here
[03:55] <GoneViral> bdju: thanks :) kinda weird not to have a freenode channel. Maybe I've become entangled with hipsters o_O
[03:55] <GoneViral> ;)
[03:57] <bdju> haha, yeah. I would bet that there's maybe a freenode channel that just isn't official.
[04:53] <blahboybaz> Everything was going fine - I made a bootable usb with rufus (on windows 10), disabled Fast Startup in the os, and proceeded to boot into the installer. Then I realized I needed to harvest some information from the windows os before I blew it out (I was gonna do a dual boot but I changed my mind).
[04:53] <blahboybaz> So I exited the installer, got the data I needed, t
[04:53] <blahboybaz> hen when I tried to boot the installer again it wouldn't work - giving the following ominous error message instead...
[04:53] <blahboybaz> Failed to open \EFI\BOOT\mmx64.efi - Not Found
[04:53] <blahboybaz> Failed to load image \EFI\BOOT\mmx64.efi: Not Found
[04:53] <blahboybaz> Failed to start MokManager: Not Found
[04:53] <blahboybaz> Something has gone seriously wrong: import_mok_state() failed
[04:53] <blahboybaz> : Not Found
[06:27] <r3dux> I just tried to install sddm display manager and it installed like 300 packages on my system... apt-get remove sddm didnt get rid of them, nor did purge or autoremove... HELP!
[06:54] <geirha> did you try  apt autoremove  ?
[06:54] <geirha> err, yes you did, nevermind
[09:18] <barnex> every blog post tells me to "install the version of Nvidia graphics supported by your graphics card", but I haven't found a way to check which  versions are supported by which cards yet?
[09:20] <barnex> Is going here ( https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/drivers/unix/ ) and checking all the versions for the relevant architecture the way to go? That'd suggest 440.64 supports gtx 970
[09:34] <dirtwash> im trying to use cpufrequtils to set my cpu freq govenor but its being ignored on 18.04, anyone got any idea? I set it to performance but it stays in powersave, intel xeon something
[09:34] <dirtwash> its definitely supported
[09:55] <georgelappies> hi all
[09:56] <georgelappies> Where do I log a bug with SSH for Ubuntu 20.04 ? Would really like to use it upon release, but would not be able to do so with current bug?
[09:57] <kostkon> georgelappies, the channel for 20.04 is #ubuntu+1
[09:57] <kostkon> !ubuntu+1
[09:58] <georgelappies> thanks!
[10:00] <Groar> georgelappies: sent you a pm
[10:01] <barnex> nvm my previous questions
[10:20] <DarkTrick> FYI-Report: I used Kernel 5.3.0-45-generic until about 2 days ago. About 4 to 5 days ago I had troubles with a quite instable system.
[10:20] <DarkTrick> Now I changed back to 5.3.0-40-generic and everything is fine.
[10:21] <DarkTrick> Without further testing I'd say something is wrong with the Kernel.
[10:21] <DarkTrick> Maybe others report the same
[10:22] <Groar> what's recommended, to have the default kernel version and keep upgrading as canonical's updates keep arriving or to have the lastest kernel?
[10:23] <EriC^> Groar: first choice
[10:31] <ice9> is debian really more stable than ubuntu?
[10:32] <lotuspsychje> ice9: we dont take polls here, only ubuntu issues
[10:58] <Angs> what channel is for ubuntu server related questions?
[10:58] <kostkon> !serve
[10:58] <kostkon> !server
[10:58] <Angs> thanks
[11:29] <Angs>  #ubuntu-server seems a dead channel. I hope someone can reply me from here. I am using 18.04 on my PC, when I use printf() on my PC, I can see the outputs on /var/log/syslog, but I don't see them on ubuntu 18.04.03 server that I run it on google cloud platform. Does anyone know how to enable the syslog that it would log the printf calls from my C code?
[11:37] <legreffier> Angs that's not how you're supposed to get the logging there.
[11:38] <Angs> legreffier, do I have to use Google's own logging agent?
[11:38] <legreffier> have you tried using the syslog function in your C code ?
[11:38] <Angs> isn't not recommended to use syslog or something similar?
[11:38] <Angs> yes I am using syslog as well, but they are not registered on /var/log/syslog properly
[11:39] <legreffier> well it is, you shouldn't rely on printf to feed any sort of log
[11:39] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[11:40] <Angs> if I use my own PC (ubuntu 18.04) or another cloud VM (Digital ocean), I see all the syslog and printf outputs on /var/log/syslog. But, when I use Google Cloud or Azure, I don't see the outputs.
[11:41] <Angs> I wonder how can I have the same logging behavior on GCP
[11:41] <Angs> the OS doesn't have /etc/syslog.conf
[11:48] <Napsterbater> What would cause "apt update" show/check a repositry that is not listed in sources.list.d or sources.list.. or how can I find out where it is getting it from.
[11:52] <EriC^> which repository
[11:53] <bitblit> on my wired network i get 500Mb up and down. over wifi I'm getting 50Mb down and 240Mb up with a Unifi AC Pro. using 18.04. any idea why the slow download speed over wifi?
[11:56] <CVirus> Why can't I find enigmail in the ubuntu software center?
[12:02] <grawity> bitblit: what physical bitrate and related parameters do you see in `iw wlan0 link`?
[12:04] <Napsterbater> nvm, im an idiot..
[12:44] <ice9> i'm facing packet loss on port 22 only (the rest of ports are fine), how should i investigate and what could be the reason?
[12:48] <BluesKaj> ice9, do you have a ssh tunnel open ?
[12:49] <ice9> BluesKaj, yes
[12:54] <BluesKaj> is it hanging or disconnecting
[13:13] <phatcat> omg, I just nuked my server....
[13:13] <phatcat> I was trying to simply delete mysql with 'apt-get --yes purge mysql-server mysql-client'
[13:13] <phatcat> and it deleted my nginx together with all the configs...
[13:13] <phatcat> please tell me there's a way to restore it...
[13:14] <pragmaticenigma> it's gone
[13:15] <phatcat> Removing mysql-common (5.8+1.0.4) ... / Removing nginx-common (1.14.0-0ubuntu1.2) ...
[13:15] <phatcat> why the hell it deleted it???
[13:15] <pragmaticenigma> phatcat: because you removed mysql-client ... there are plugins for other components that use that, and any that listed it as a dependency will get removed
[13:15] <phatcat> fuck me
[13:16] <phatcat> is there really no way to restore it? :(((
[13:22] <JimBuntu> !language | phatcat
[13:23] <phatcat> sorry
[13:23] <phatcat> so is there any way I could restore the config files?
[13:24] <phatcat> cache, anything?
[13:24] <JimBuntu> phatcat: my suggestions would be to #1) Shut the machine down and prepare to image any drives that had important information. #2) Resort to your backups #3) Once you have an image and can begin the data recovery process if step #2 wasn't good enough
[13:24] <phatcat> https://pastebin.com/e4Uw4y96
[13:25] <phatcat> I didn't have a backup of my nginx config :(
[13:28] <phatcat> could this help? https://stackoverflow.com/questions/45852224/restore-current-sites-available-file
[13:31] <phatcat> anyone? :(
[13:32] <lotuspsychje> patience phatcat
[13:38] <phatcat> the nginx daemon seems to be still running
[13:49] <pragmaticenigma> phatcat: First, never ever ever run apt or apt-get with --yes ... that is a royal way to break your system as you just found out. Second, if you are removing packages with the full intention of reinstalling them, ALWAYS make a back up, especially when using Purge. And don't just back up the files you think you will need... Back up the entire /etc folder and /var (or better yet, make a system image to restore from)
[13:51] <[Simon]> Hello, i have installed apache 2 on my ubuntu 18 VPS. i can access my index.php using the ip address in my browser, however when i type in my domain name in my browser i just see a white page with nothing on it. please help.
[13:52] <phatcat> pragmaticenigma: I will seriously print that out
[13:56] <pragmaticenigma> phatcat: you might be able to use something like photorec to recover the deleted files, but as JimBuntu mentioned. the fist step is to shutdown that machine and make an image of the drive. Any new disk writes will very likely corrupt and overwrite your old config files.
[13:59] <rapidwave> Is there much of Ubuntu official software that is written using Mono?
[14:05] <pragmaticenigma> rapidwave: do you have a a specific support (i.e. system won't boot, application won't load) question? for discussion and other topics, please ask in #ubuntu-offtopic or if it specifically an ubuntu implementation discussion, you can ask in #ubuntu-discuss
[14:20] <t0g3pii> Hey, is this Channel here only for an English Support or are there other languages supported?
[14:21] <geirha> there are various channels for other languages, such as #ubuntu-de for german, #ubuntu-es for spanish etc...
[14:21] <t0g3pii> Thank you^^
[14:47] <relipse2> What is wrong: http://dpaste.com/1KM0RH9
[14:47] <relipse2> My percentage is stuck
[14:47] <pragmaticenigma> do you have a large database relipse2 ?
[14:48] <relipse2> pragmaticenigma: no , i checked mysql server and it was stopped
[14:48] <relipse2> 1405 pts/0    00:00:00 mysql-server-5.
[14:48] <relipse2>  1406 pts/0    00:00:00 invoke-rc.d
[14:49] <relipse2> how do i cancel my apt-get ctrl-c is not working
[14:51] <pragmaticenigma> relipse2: how long have you been waiting?
[14:51] <relipse2> 10 minutes
[15:24] <pavlos> relipse2: run top in a terminal to see active processes
[15:24] <relipse2> does anyone know why mysql won't start
[15:29] <banisterfiend> does anyone here know how polari irc client works? it's not creating any tcp connections to the irc server directly on my system...is it using some kind of shitty web client or something?
[15:30] <banisterfiend> seems like the weirdest/crappiest irc client every
[15:30] <banisterfiend> ever*
[15:31] <pavlos> relipse2: anything in /var/log/mysql/error.log ?
[15:31] <Hamilton>  Is it advisable to replace the default plymouth theme? or does it break things?
[15:38] <relipse2> http://dpaste.com/2G6FR7F
[15:38] <relipse2> pavlos:
[15:42] <pragmaticenigma> relipse2: see if there is anything in the /var/run/mysqld folder
[15:43] <relipse2> yes there is mysqld.pid
[15:44] <pragmaticenigma> try "mv mysqld.pid mysqld.pid.bak"
[15:44] <pragmaticenigma> then see if it launches
[15:46] <diskin> I'm trying to connect Xiaomi Mi2S (2717:ff40) and copy images from it, but despite libmtp being 1.1.10 it does not see it. I've found https://sourceforge.net/p/libmtp/bugs/1400/ where this devide was added to libmtp.
[15:47] <diskin> I've added it manually to /lib/udev/hwdb.d/69-libmtp.hwdb but it does not work. where else should I make changes?
[15:47] <diskin> aah, probably it is /lib/udev/rules.d/69-libmtp.rules
[15:48] <Hamilton> For the love of GOD, How to disable bluetooth from starting up on every reboot?
[15:49] <Hamilton> I tried systemd-serivce, TLP, bluemon config,... non of them worked
[15:51] <pragmaticenigma> Hamilton: Have you tried anything suggested here? https://askubuntu.com/questions/67758/how-can-i-deactivate-bluetooth-on-system-startup
[15:52] <pragmaticenigma> Hamilton: though you should be able to disable it with "sudo systemctl disable bluetooth.service"
[15:52] <Hamilton> pragmaticenigma, all except /etc/rc.local
[15:52] <Hamilton> pragmaticenigma, I did use systemd...seems like something else over-rules it
[15:52] <pragmaticenigma> what do you mean "overrules it" ?
[15:53] <Hamilton> pragmaticenigma, I mean it doesn't work
[15:53] <Hamilton> At the moment I'm counting 3 places which can control bluetooth startup on boot
[15:54] <Hamilton> What should be the result of `service bluetooth status` after sudo systemctl disable bluetooth.service ?
[15:55] <pragmaticenigma> it can still be running, but will list itself as disabled
[15:56] <pragmaticenigma> enabled/disabled is for boot time
[15:56] <pragmaticenigma> you can still manually run services
[15:56] <Hamilton> `loaded (/lib/systemd/system/bluetooth.service; disabled; vendor preset: enabled)`
[15:56] <pavlos> relipse2: since mysql is stopped, do you have /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock
[15:56] <Hamilton> It was already disabled before ``sudo systemctl disable bluetooth.service
[15:56] <Hamilton> But status is green running
[15:57] <pragmaticenigma> Hamilton: correct, because "Disable" and "Enable" are only for boot ... not when the system is already running
[15:57] <Hamilton> So some other process is bypassing systemd
[15:57] <kappa1> how can I connect a wireless keyboard to ubuntu?
[15:58] <pragmaticenigma> Hamilton: Have you rebooted the system since changing the service to disabled
[15:58] <Hamilton> pragmaticenigma, I mean the state for *boot* was `disabled` meaning it should not be enable on next  boot
[15:58] <pragmaticenigma> correct
[15:58] <Hamilton> pragmaticenigma, yes
[15:58] <pavlos> kappa1: does the wireless keyb have a usb thingy ?
[16:02] <kappa1> pavlos, no :-(
[16:05] <pragmaticenigma> kappa1: To be able to provide you help, it helps if you provide the volunteers more details. Instead of waiting for someone to ask you detailed questions, start with Version of Ubuntu, what device brand and name you are trying to use. What items the device comes with.
[16:08] <kappa1> :-) Ubuntu 18.04.4 LTS Keyboard + mouse combo: genius slimstar 8006
[16:09] <Hamilton> pragmaticenigma, Thing is, bluemoon thinks that bt is disabled and asks for enabling it but service bluetooth status says that it is running (active)
[16:10] <pragmaticenigma> kappa1: That requires a USB receiver to work. Without it, the keyboard and mouse will not work
[16:10] <pragmaticenigma> kappa1: first question on their FAQ for that device: http://us.geniusnet.com/supports/slimstar-8006
[16:12] <pragmaticenigma> Hamilton: bluemoon is a great beverage... bluemon is probably looking at the flags set for the service instead of checking if the service is active or not. I don't know how the service is enabling itself if it is marked to be disabled. Disabled service should not be starting themselves on boot
[16:12] <pragmaticenigma> or at any other time
[16:16] <kappa1> panorain, thanks much :-) it works now (message sent from my new keyboard). The receiver was hidden inside the mouse
[16:17] <Hamilton> pragmaticenigma, I'm actually using xubuntu i3...I can just invoke rfkill in i3 config...
[16:18] <Hamilton> But it needs sudo privilage
[16:19] <Hamilton> pragmaticenigma, :| Even after rfkill, service bluetooth status STILL reports it is running!
[16:19] <RAL7016> hello! any thoughts about the best autoCAD alternative for ubuntu desktop? thanks.
[16:22] <pragmaticenigma> RAL7016: Welcome to Ubunutu support. For software recommendations, polls, and to ask for opinions, please ask your question in #ubuntu-offtopic. Thanks
[16:22] <Hamilton> RAL7016, just google it + reddit
[16:22] <Hamilton> linux autoCAD reddit
[16:24] <pragmaticenigma> Hamilton: I think you have something else at work with your setup. I do not understand how it reports active when disabled and the system has been rebooted
[16:46] <Hamilton> pragmaticenigma, https://termbin.com/b2nr
[16:47] <dad-> nobody here?
[16:48] <Hamilton> dad-, 1203 + you
[16:48] <dad-> hamilton yes I see now
[16:49] <dad-> I am new to this
[16:49] <Hamilton> dad-, :) What client are you using?
[16:49] <v_lens> Hi everyone !! I was asking yesterday about installing ubuntu.My girls laptop's drive cannot create a partition sized more than 18 gb . So i have decided to install lubuntu . Does lubuntu gets installed the same way as ubuntu ?
[16:49] <dad-> used to be on another IRC  years and years ago
[16:50] <dad-> learning it all over again
[16:50] <Hamilton> v_lens, but ubuntu can be installed on your drive
[16:50] <Hamilton> v_lens, Yes I guess it will be the same
[16:50] <Hamilton> v_lens, There is also #lubuntu
[16:50] <v_lens> ah ok thanks didnt know that i ll go there !
[16:52] <dad-> I was sent here  seeking help to install openoffice on 18.3 cinnamon 32 bit
[16:53] <kostkon> dad-, ask away
[16:54] <dad-> how do I do it? downloaded and extracted it into a folder
[16:54] <dad-> Sarah mint
[16:55] <dad-> open office 4.17 linux version
[16:58] <dad-> koston ???
[16:58] <dad-> kostkon  sorry  ???
[16:58] <lotuspsychje> !patience | dad-
[16:59] <dad-> lotuspsychje  haha ok  just new here and feeing lost
[16:59] <lotuspsychje> dad-: do you use mint?
[17:00] <dad-> ubottu  thanks looking now
[17:00] <dad-> lotuspsychje  yes
[17:00] <lotuspsychje> dad-: mint support is on another network
[17:00] <lotuspsychje> !mint | dad-
[17:04] <dad-> lotuspsycheje   thanks a bunch  going there now
[17:04] <lotuspsychje> welcome dad-
[17:17] <pavlos> relipse2: is your mysql running now?
[17:17] <relipse2> yep restarted and it was fine, thanks for the help troubleshooting pavlos
[17:20] <pavlos> relipse2: np
[17:34] <samfisher> Encryption key:****-****-****-****-****-****-****-****   Security mode:open
[17:34] <samfisher> does this means the wifi is not using WPA/WPA2?
[17:36] <pragmaticenigma> with a lot more context, it's unknown to me what any of that menas samfisher
[17:40] <ioria> samfisher, probably not, just an old terminology still in use (OSA)
[17:42] <memphisto> hi. help with xforwarding
[17:42] <pavlos> memphisto: would help to describe the issue ...
[17:42] <memphisto> i'd like to access my desktop applications from raspbbery
[17:42] <pragmaticenigma> ugh... samfisher meant to say... without a lot more context... without knowing what you wree doing when that was displayed on the screen, it's really difficult to determine how to answer your question.
[17:42] <memphisto> so, one app
[17:43] <memphisto> xhost +, and export display
[17:43] <memphisto> but i keep forgetting how
[17:43] <pragmaticenigma> memphisto: Explain, in detail, on one line, what you are trying to do. What your goal is, what are your OSes involved. The more details, the better the help volunteers here can give you
[17:44] <pavlos> memphisto: are pi,desktop on same subnet?
[17:44] <memphisto> i'd like to open zim wikki from my dekstop pc from my rasbbery pi
[17:45] <memphisto> desktop is kubuntu . pi and desktop pc  are on the same network
[17:46] <pavlos> memphisto: from pi can you ssh to desktop?
[17:46] <memphisto> yes i can
[17:46] <pavlos> memphisto: try from pi ssh -X user@desktop then run xclock. Do you see the clock on pi?
[17:46] <pragmaticenigma> memphisto: all you need to do is "ssh -X {ip_of_remote_system}" and then start the application once you are signed in
[17:47] <memphisto> i get error can't open display
[17:48] <pragmaticenigma> memphisto: are you in a gui on the pi?
[17:48] <memphisto> yes
[17:48] <memphisto> yes, i am
[17:49] <memphisto> but i've run in from lxterminal
[17:51] <pavlos> memphisto: do you have a ~/.Xauthority file on pi?
[17:52] <memphisto> yes, i have it
[17:52] <pavlos> memphisto: similarly on desktop?
[17:52] <pavlos> memphisto: similarly on desktop-pc?
[17:52] <memphisto> yes, i have it on the pc too
[17:54] <memphisto> 0600/-rw------- on both of the machines
[17:58] <pavlos> memphisto: ssh -X user@desktop ... can you echo $DISPLAY
[17:59] <memphisto> it's rpi:0.0
[17:59] <memphisto> as I was trying to export to it
[18:00] <pavlos> memphisto: you're on pi, issue ssh, connect to desktop, then echo $DISPLAY
[18:00] <memphisto> yes
[18:01] <pavlos> memphisto: on desktop ... grep X11 /etc/ssh/sshd_config ... is the X11Forwarding flag yes
[18:02] <memphisto> it's uncommented
[18:03] <pavlos> memphisto: after you ssh to the desktop, your display should be localhost:10.0
[18:04] <memphisto> memphisto@home:~$ export DISPLAY=0:0
[18:05] <memphisto> i've set it up now, but still when running from pi ssh -YC memphisto@home xclock
[18:05] <memphisto> i still get can't open display
[18:10] <pavlos> memphisto: you cmd, adjusted for my env works,   pi: ssh -XC user@fx xclock
[18:11] <memphisto> yes, done it. same output
[18:11] <memphisto> that's why i'm here , cause it's not working
[18:13] <pavlos> memphisto: on pi do you get two lines ... grep X11 /etc/ssh/sshd_config
[18:14] <memphisto> on pi i have X11Forwarding yes
[18:14] <pavlos> memphisto: there should be X11DisplayOffset 10
[18:14] <pavlos>  after that line
[18:16] <pavlos> memphisto: on pi, add that line, restart sshd and try again
[18:17] <alschaapman> Can somebody tell me why apt can't solve dependencies
[18:17] <memphisto> pavlos i've edited and now have X11DisplayOffset 10 uncommented
[18:17] <memphisto> but still receiving can't open display
[18:18] <alschaapman> This is what I'm dealing with: https://0x0.st/iu05.png
[18:18] <alschaapman> Sorry I don't have a text paste. I'm working with a VM here
[18:19] <sarnold> you can ssh into your vms
[18:19] <alschaapman> Oh yeah, I guess I could
[18:19] <sarnold> then you don't have to tolerate the wonky 'console' thing those vms use
[18:20] <alschaapman> Actually I guess I could have just done the paste from inside the VM's terminal emulator since it's got an internet connection, lol
[18:20] <alschaapman> At any rate the Xfce desktop works just fine
[18:20] <pavlos> memphisto: I must be missing something, pragmaticenigma can you lend a hand?
[18:20] <alschaapman> Anyway what is this nonsense? This is a brand spanking new install with the latest updates applied. I have literally not done anything to it yet
[18:21] <pragmaticenigma> alschaapman: have you done an "sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade" yet?
[18:21] <alschaapman> And yet I can't get build-essential and dpkg-dev because of broken dependencies? What in the world?
[18:21] <sarnold> the usual cause is using a rubbish mirror that doesn't do two-phase rsync updates
[18:21] <alschaapman> sarnold: Same error
[18:22] <alschaapman> libdpkg-perl is the problematic one
[18:22] <pavlos> memphisto: on pi, lsb_release -a
[18:23] <pragmaticenigma> pavlos: I'm not familiar with Rpi's... (technically, they should be getting support from a RPi specific channel, not here)
[18:23] <pragmaticenigma> alschaapman: Did you see my question?
[18:23] <alschaapman> Oh sorry, I directed my reply to the wrong nick
[18:24] <alschaapman> pragmaticenigma: apt update apt full-upgrade did not resolve the issue.
[18:24] <alschaapman> At any rate, isn't that exactly what the Software Updater does?
[18:24] <memphisto> back
[18:24] <memphisto> sorry
[18:24] <memphisto> xforwarding
[18:25] <pragmaticenigma> alschaapman: what if you try installing that library by itself?
[18:25] <alschaapman> pragmaticenigma: It's already installed
[18:25] <alschaapman> How do I specify a different version? I have the latest instead of the one in the bionic repo for some reason, which doesn't make any sense to me
[18:25] <alschaapman> I'm going to have a look at the apt-get manpage
[18:25] <pragmaticenigma> alschaapman: Oh! you have held packages
[18:26] <pavlos> memphisto: on pi, it runs some rasbian and on desktop ubntu18.04 ? just to get clear on the OSes
[18:27] <pragmaticenigma> memphisto: it doesn't appear that your current issue is actually an Ubuntu issue. The volunteers here are familiar with Ubuntu and its setup. As for the Raspian that I assume is installed on your Raspberry pi, you really shoud be seeking help from a Raspberry Pi channel or community forum
[18:27] <memphisto> 18.04 on desktop
[18:27] <alschaapman> dpkg --get-selections | grep hold produces no output.
[18:27] <memphisto> and from ubuntu ssh -XC to rpi works
[18:28] <memphisto> it's the other way around that isn't working
[18:28] <pragmaticenigma> memphisto: Please look for assistance for the rpi in #raspberrypi
[18:29] <memphisto> thanks
[18:30] <pragmaticenigma> Don't really like sending someone off, but I have no clue how OpenSSH or the ability of XForwarding is handled in the Raspian OS pavlos ... that's why we try to redirect users to a channel with people more familiar to the platform than try and resolve it here
[18:31] <pavlos> pragmaticenigma: I understand ... thx
[18:32] <alschaapman> I think maybe I have the wrong repos configured? Which is pretty amazing. Again, completely fresh install
[18:32] <alschaapman> LTS no less
[18:33] <alschaapman> I mean I know Xubuntu is community developed but this is absurd
[18:33] <pragmaticenigma> alschaapman: I'm not sure if the list held would enumerate out broken packages
[18:33] <alschaapman> How do I list all my dpkg repos to see what I'm working with here?
[18:33] <alschaapman> I feel like it's apt-get list-sources or something
[18:33] <pragmaticenigma> alschaapman: i don't know if there is a CLI for that
[18:34] <alschaapman> pragmaticenigma: You can't possibly be serious
[18:35] <spackle259> alschaapman: have you tried apt autoremove
[18:35] <spackle259> alschaapman: also apt autoclean
[18:35] <pragmaticenigma> alschaapman: I've only ever seen support here suggest looking at /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*
[18:35] <spackle259> alschaapman: reboot and than do apt update and upgrade
[18:35] <spackle259> after that try to install the package you are trying
[18:35] <spackle259> again
[18:37] <alschaapman> Oh I think I should not have done autoclean just now
[18:37] <spackle259> alschaapman: what happened?
[18:37] <alschaapman> I have to build a repository for somebody I'm trying to troubleshoot for. He can't get an internet connection in Xubuntu and he needs to install build tools
[18:38] <alschaapman> autoclean should have left the most recent versions of anything installed in the cache, right?
[18:38] <alschaapman> Please say yes
[18:38] <spackle259> The apt-get autoclean option, like apt-get clean, clears the local repository of retrieved package files, but it only removes files that can no longer be downloaded and are virtually useless.
[18:39] <alschaapman> Anyway I downloaded libdpkg-perl =1.19.0.5-ubuntu2 from a mirror and installed it that way
[18:39] <alschaapman> Outrageous to me that I had to do that. What even is a package manager for if I have to solve dependencies myself
[18:39] <alschaapman> Anyway I was finally able to get dkms installed so I think I'm good now
[18:39] <spackle259> well sweet
[18:40] <alschaapman> Where exactly is the apt cache? I'm going to make a repo out of this with dpkg-scanpackages
[18:41] <pragmaticenigma>  /var/lib/apt I think
[18:41] <alschaapman> I'm not seeing .debs in there
[18:41] <spackle259>  /var/cache/apt/archives/
[18:42] <pragmaticenigma> ^ ^ this
[18:42] <alschaapman> That's the one
[18:42] <pragmaticenigma> alschaapman: spackle259 has it right
[18:42] <alschaapman> A lot fewer packages in there than I was expecting
[18:42] <alschaapman> I guess the stuff that got installed from the DVD is not in there?
[18:42] <alschaapman> Just updates, and what I just installed (dkms and dependencies)
[18:47] <Hamilton> Is there a fix for this: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=591258#c79
[18:55] <pragmaticenigma> Hamilton: That bug/issue is 10+ years old and still marked open. So no, it probably hasn't been addressed or if it has, the ticket hasn't been updated in a long time.
[18:56] <Hamilton> pragmaticenigma, What DE/WM do you use? Aren't you experiencing this like everyday?
[18:56] <pragmaticenigma> Hamilton: There would be nothing that an end user can do... the bug listed has to do with the way elements are drawn on the screen in relation to the mouse cursor, something that happens very deep inside the libraries used for drawing elements on the screen
[18:57] <pragmaticenigma> Hamilton: I use a number of different DE's had have not personally experienced this issue on any of them.
[18:57] <Hamilton> pragmaticenigma, Whenver I right-click in thunar, it selects a random item
[18:57] <Hamilton> Is there a way to make right-click menus be drawn upon release?
[18:59] <pragmaticenigma> Hamilton: I just said no... and gave a pretty decent explanation why
[18:59] <Hamilton> pragmaticenigma, thanks. What file manager u use?
[19:01] <pragmaticenigma> Hamilton: I use the defaults that the platform I installed came with. I do not change themes, skins, or other customizations. For this very reason. I use things "stock" as they were originally presented from whomever designed and created the distribution
[19:15] <nexiu> hello can I get help with mysql server? after power loss it wont start up
[19:15] <nexiu> kwi 06 21:14:19 ubuntu mysqld[59424]: 2020-04-06 21:14:19 0 [Note] /usr/sbin/mysqld (mysqld 10.3.20-MariaDB-0ubuntu0.19.04.1-log) starting as process 594
[19:15] <nexiu> kwi 06 21:14:19 ubuntu systemd[1]: mariadb.service: Main process exited, code=exited, status=1/FAILURE
[19:15] <nexiu> kwi 06 21:14:19 ubuntu systemd[1]: mariadb.service: Failed with result 'exit-code'.
[19:15] <nexiu> kwi 06 21:14:19 ubuntu systemd[1]: Failed to start MariaDB 10.3.20 database server.
[19:27] <ioria> nexiu, you know 19.04 is no longer supported, right ?
[19:44] <ironpillow> Hi all, I am having trouble enabling iommu on my system. My system does NOT have a GPU. I enabled vt-d and vt-x in the bios. Added intel_iommu "on" and "pt" flags to grub. /proc/cmdline show them. But my /sys/kernel/iommu_groups is empty. I am using 4.15.0-76-generic kernel with Ubuntu 18.04.3 LTS. Any advice?
[19:45] <pragmaticenigma> ironpillow: you might want to make sure you're fully up-to-date... 18.04.4 should be what gets reported by your system
[19:46] <pragmaticenigma> ironpillow: I would also suggest that you might want to try asking in #ubuntu-server ... I think there are more people there with experience in headless systems than in this channel
[19:46] <sarnold> pragmaticenigma: heh, ironpillow cross-posted there pretty quick :)
[19:47] <ironpillow> pragmaticenigma: don't know how to keep the same kernel but updated to 18.04.4. But I posted it in ubuntu-server as well :)
[19:47] <ioria> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/1569567
[19:48] <ironpillow> sarnold: yep :)
[19:49] <ironpillow> ioria: yeah, I was thinking that. but I added it here: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="console=ttyS0,115200n8,intel_iommu=on iommu=pt"
[19:49] <ironpillow> not to DEFAULT
[19:50] <ioria> ironpillow, first update your system then try this  : https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxquestions/comments/bgbpim/how_to_enable_iommu_on_ubuntu_1804/
[19:50] <sarnold> ironpillow: try replacing that comma for the console parameter with a space
[19:52] <lordcirth> Bought Seagate Ironwolf 8TB HDDs. When I plug them in, whether over  the motherboards SATA controller, or USB3.0 adapter, dmesg prints "scsi scan: INQUIRY result too short (5), using 36" and any attempt to read from them prints "failed to open '/dev/sda': No medium found"
[19:53] <lordcirth> 18.04 with kernel 5.3. Am I missing some kind of software to make these drives work? Seagate support has not been too helpful so far
[19:56] <pragmaticenigma> lordcirth: Those are NAS drives... is it possible they require a special controller?
[19:56] <lordcirth> pragmaticenigma, NAS usually doesn't mean anything besides some tuning... And Seagate says that all you need is SATA III support. Which my motherboard doesn't have (SATA II) but a USB3.0 adapter I tried does
[19:59] <pragmaticenigma> I can see why the motherboard doesn't work then... but possible that USB controller requires a firmware update or something?
[19:59] <pragmaticenigma> Do you have a SATA III motherboard to test with?
[20:00] <lordcirth> My own PC has SATA III, but it'd be kind of a pain. I guess I should
[20:01] <pragmaticenigma> A pain sure, but to be certain it's not the drives... worth the time I think
[20:04] <ironpillow> sarnold: it worked! I removed the comma
[20:04] <sarnold> :)
[20:11] <Soni> how do I put ubuntu on a container, bind/forward X11, allow hardware accelerated graphics, and run steam on it?
[20:12] <Soni> I'm on archlinux
[20:12] <Soni> I want 18.04
[20:15] <pragmaticenigma> Soni: most of that will not yield what you're expecting it to. Also, this is a support channel. Volunteers here focus on existing installations, not hypotheticals of what to expect when you do something. Please ask in #ubuntu-offtopic
[20:16] <Soni> okay
[20:17] <Soni> how do I install ubuntu in a container?
[20:19] <pragmaticenigma> Soni: There are no containerized versions of Ubuntu. Also, this is a support channel... not a How-To channel
[20:22] <sarnold> Soni: the easiest and quickest is to install lxd, then lxc launch ubuntu:18.04 u1
[20:23] <pragmaticenigma> Soni: What you are attempting to do will not work. First, X-forwarding relies on the client graphics chipset to render, not the server. Second, to the best of my knowledge Hardware accelerated graphics are not currently possible with the current offerings of SSH. The overhead from the encryption and tunneling everything over SSH will greatly reduce performance. Finally, Containers are for running specific applications, not
[20:23] <pragmaticenigma> Operating systems. You build a container to support a specific application that you desire to run.
[20:23] <Soni> pragmaticenigma: there are other ways to forward X11 than SSH
[20:24] <Soni> for example, symlinks and xauth(?)
[20:25] <Soni> pragmaticenigma: also you could say I'm trying to containerize steam
[20:26] <Jordan_U> Soni: Am I understanding correctly that you basically only want Ubuntu in a container since it's better supported than Archlinux? If you're not trying to also achieve some sandboxing and security then I think this approach may work. That said, a better approach (if you haven't tried it already) might be to ask #archlinux how best to get steam working well in arch (they may or many not recommend
[20:26] <pragmaticenigma> Of which is not going to be supported here. This channel and other Ubuntu channels only support offerings made available through the official Ubuntu websites and software channels.
[20:26] <Jordan_U> containerizing Ubuntu).
[20:28] <Jordan_U> pragmaticenigma: I do think that this is a grey area, but at the moment it seems to me to mostly fall within what this channel supports. That may change as the discussion progresses, and you are of course free to not provide support yourself.
[20:29] <Jordan_U> pragmaticenigma: Ubuntu / Canonical have put a lot of work into making Ubuntu a good fit for containers, though admittedly more for the server use-case than desktop.
[20:31] <pragmaticenigma> Jordan_U: Feel free to continue your discussion in #ubuntu-discuss
[20:33] <Jordan_U> pragmaticenigma: Just a heads up, I am an op here. I think supporting Ubuntu in a container is fine for now here.
[20:33] <pragmaticenigma> Jordan_U: please join me in #ubuntu-discuss ... this isn't the place
[20:37] <ducasse> Soni: it's true that you don't need ssh for x-forwarding, but not through symlinks
[20:42] <cyberspectre> What would be the simplest command to "Copy all files from Directory A to Directory B, but replace uppercase characters with lowercase characters in the new filename"?
[20:43] <cyberspectre> Does it need to be two steps?
[20:43] <pragmaticenigma> that would be the best way to do it cyberspectre
[20:43] <pragmaticenigma> less chance for something to go wrong
[20:43] <cyberspectre> Understood, thanks pragmaticenigma
[20:47] <Phruis> how should i manage my logs?
[20:47] <Phruis> i want to remove old logs
[20:47] <Phruis> my syslog and kernel.log is 16 gigs
[20:47] <sarnold> YIKES
[20:48] <sarnold> Phruis: first things first, /etc/logrotate.d/ is where most of the log rotating is configured
[20:48] <sarnold> Phruis: second, you *gotta* figure out why your logs are so huge and fix whatever that problem isd
[20:48] <Jordan_U> Soni: https://ubuntu.com/blog/lxd-in-4-easy-steps I don't know off hand what more would be required to get hardware accelleration.
[20:49] <Phruis> sarnold, how do you figure out why it is so huge?
[20:49] <genii> Fairly comprehensive article on logrotate which is useful https://linoxide.com/linux-how-to/setup-log-rotation-logrotate-ubuntu/
[20:50] <sarnold> Phruis: read the logs :)
[20:50] <Phruis> seeing a lot of complaining about ECC disabled in BIOs or no ECC capability
[20:51] <sarnold> hmm normally that'll be just like two or three lines for each stick of memory in the system, not 16 gigs of it
[20:53] <Phruis> its like 5 lines and it repeats
[20:53] <sarnold> pastebin a sample of them?
[20:57] <Soni> ... ugh this is too much effort to be able to run unity games tbh x.x
[20:58] <Phruis> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/H8gKWfvspG/ <-- sarnold
[20:59] <Phruis> I have logging set to low on UFW
[20:59] <Phruis> sarnold, thats from my kernel log
[21:00] <sarnold> Phruis: try grep -c "DRAM ECC disabled" on your kernel log
[21:00] <sarnold> Phruis: that'll count how many times that shows up; my guess is it'll be a few hundred, tops, and the rest is something else
[21:02] <blaster> I'm trying to start a service /etc/init.d/courier-imap-ssl and it simnply says FAIL in red, but I can't seem to find logs anywhere to determine why. Anyone know how I can?
[21:02] <addc182> something like clonezilla the best way to migrate to a larger disk?
[21:03] <Phruis> 448 times
[21:03] <pragmaticenigma> blaster: What version of Ubuntu are you running?
[21:03] <Phruis> doesn't seem like it is that much
[21:04] <pragmaticenigma> addc182: It can be used, the resulting destination disk will need you to expand it after you have finished imaging it.
[21:04] <blaster> pragmaticenigma, 18.04
[21:05] <pragmaticenigma> blaster: /etc/init.d is present for legacy purposes... systemctl is how you turn on and off services
[21:06] <blaster> Getting even less output using that method.
[21:09] <sarnold> Phruis: yeah, that's not the problem. it's not great but it's not the problem :) keep looking..
[21:09] <sarnold> blaster: depending upon how the service is configured, it might be logging to the journal instead of 'usual' log files; if you didn't spot it in /var/log then try journalctl
[21:12] <pickledegg> hi, is this the place to discuss 20.04?
[21:13] <pragmaticenigma> !ubuntu+1 | pickledegg
[21:13] <pickledegg> scratch that just read the top message
[21:18] <konam> what's the channel for the beta?
[21:18] <pickledegg> lol deja vu
[21:18] <pickledegg> #ubuntu+1
[21:18] <konam> takk
[21:22] <adffjfa> Hi, for some reason in my terminal in ubuntu 19.10 when writing text its kind of overlaping
[21:22] <adffjfa> and doing some weird stuff
[21:24] <sixwheeledbeast> weird how?
[21:27] <adffjfa> sec just found out it's related to a change I did with colorize PS1 and __git_ps1
[21:37] <adffjfa> Why is PS1='${debian_chroot:+($debian_chroot)}\[\033[01;32m\]\u@\h\[\033[00m\]:\[\033[01;34m\]\w\033[31m$(__git_ps1)\[\033[00m\]\$ ' breaks my terminal:|?
[21:41] <geirha> there's a terminal escape sequence not enclosed in \[ \]
[21:42] <oerheks> copy from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CustomizingBashPrompt
[21:44] <adffjfa> Yeah just found it that it is needed.. why does this needed?
[21:44] <adffjfa> geirha,
[21:45] <adffjfa> nvm reading:)
[21:45] <adffjfa> thanks!
[21:46] <geirha> adffjfa: because readline (the library that prints the prompt) needs to know how wide the prompt is in order to draw it correctly. a terminal escape that changes the color doesn't make the prompt wide, so you put it in \[ \] to tell readline that these bytes does not make the prompt wider
[21:47] <adffjfa> I see, thanks!:)
[22:44] <Phruis`> what permissions is kern.log supposed to have?
[22:45] <Phruis> log rotate won't allow me to set a config for kern.log because of the group permissions
[22:46] <Bashing-om> Phruis: "-rw-r-----   1 syslog adm             178816 Apr  6 14:48 kern.log".
[22:46] <Phruis> ok same as mine
[22:46] <blahboybaz> If I installed an application via repository but later do an update via deb package download / software center - does the system detect that the application is already installed and manage everything cleanly or can doing installs by different sources cause a problem?
[22:47] <oerheks> apt/update will take the newest version.
[22:47] <blahboybaz> right on
[22:47] <blahboybaz> thx
[22:48] <pragmaticenigma> Phruis, if you're trying to test logrotate manually, you will need to run it with sudo
[22:49] <Phruis> pragmaticenigma, gotcha, I put su root syslog at the top of the config in logrotate.d
[22:50] <Phruis> this will be fine or should i remove it?
[22:51] <pragmaticenigma> Phruis, it should not be required, logrotate runs with the right permissions when the schedular executes it
[22:51] <Phruis> pragmaticenigma, ok