 3 upgrades here from 19.10 to 20.04 and one from 18.04 to 19.04 with no issue.
 can you use ctrl-alt-t to open a terminal or is krunner running?
 Good to hear it (re @DarinMiller: 3 upgrades here from 19.10 to 20.04 and one from 18.04 to 19.04 with no issue.)
 We need to report bug 1860851 to Debian
 Keeps happening repeatedly for me
[00:43] <guiverc> keithzg[m], not that I'm aware of; LeoK has run two Lubuntu upgrades from 19.10->20.04 without issue (on 5-April-2020)
 I’ll try to make a debdiff
 And then I’ll get it
[00:55] <keithzg[m]> @DarinMiller If you were replying to me, I mean, considering the problem is that SDDM isn't working at all and thus I can't log in to a graphical session there's no way I can locally invoke Krunner, heh, and of course ctrl-alt-t is likewise a futile gesture.
 I wasn't clear as the exact point of the failure.  Geni helped some on kubuntu support the other day who lost SDDM entirely.  Not sure if was during an upgrade.  The affected person was able to drop console and sudo apt install sddm
 Who maintains blueman?
 it's not in salsa debian but its in ubuntu
 it says its maintained by ubuntu motu
 Here it is in Debian https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/blueman
 gr8

[01:33] <keithzg[m]> @DarinMiller: As the short paste I shared makes clear, SDDM is very much installed. (You don't even necessarily have to have read it to know that, it'd be hard to get journalctl to give you output for a unit that doesn't exist ;))
 I totally overlooked your link... agreed, quite obvious SDDM is running and choking...
 I just  install Ubuntu in a VM. It works smooth. I just have a few issues one of then is with the apps folder when I go into one and go back the applidogion grid become crash with small icons and lots of dots on the right when usually they are just two.
 I'm sorry for my English it's not my first language.
 My someone sponsor this major patch to UKUI-control-center? Major bug I found caused many test cases to fail, and fix is available and needs to be synced. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ukui-control-center/+bug/1870934/+subscriptions
 My someone sponsor this major patch to UKUI-control-center? Major bug I found caused many test cases to fail, and fix is available and needs to be synced. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ukui-control-center/+bug/1870934/ (edited)
 Requested sync.
 @RikMills Do you have an extra cycle in your bandwidth to help Kylin out? (re @ItzSwirlz: My someone sponsor this major patch to UKUI-control-center? Major bug I found caused many test cases to fail, and fix is available and needs to be synced. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ukui-control-center/+bug/1870934/)
 Also if you guys have time, I could use some input:
 In Cinnamon-Common's cinnamon-settings network settings:
 There is the option for enabling a network as a hotspot. A user complained on twitter that it wouldn't work, and when you hover over it, it says "System policy prohibits using as hotspot"
 Is it safe enough to try to have our environment package or somehow change this so it's enabled?
 No clue.
[02:10] <lotuspsychje> anyone else had a gnome-shell crash during last updates on -desktop?
[02:19] <valorie> @RikMills is in the UK so hopefully sleeping peacefully now!
 Thanks for the recommendation. They seem to only be avaiable for the B2, B3, and B3+ (Raspberry Pi 2 and 3). Just like Lubuntu's. (re @philipz: ubuntu mate has updated pi images - https://ubuntu-mate.org/download/)
[06:45] <keithzg[m]> Tried `apt purge sddm` and then reinstalled it, but still stuck without a login screen. Hmm.
[06:46] <keithzg[m]> Anything else I should try clearing to establish if this is a real bug or not?
 Try systemctl start sddm
[06:48] <keithzg[m]> <ubuntutestingbot "[telegram] <schykle> Try systemc"> @schykle: I have manually stopped and started it many times, no change.
 Ah I see
[06:52] <keithzg[m]> Tried to see if lightdm worked any better, it does at least display some stuff on the screen, but there's no cursor and it says "failed to start session" when I try and log in.
[06:58] <keithzg[m]> Whoa, I can actually log in if I manage to select a Wayland Plasma session? Weird!
[06:59] <keithzg[m]> Still no cursor :(
[06:59] <keithzg[m]> Also I kindof like the weird glitchy transparency but it's definitely not supposed to look pixelated like that, hah
[07:00]  * keithzg[m] uploaded an image: IMG_20200407_010003.jpg (326KB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/riot.keithzg.ca/kgwcnHBdTEjeSTtxNQzDgaGc >
[07:02] <keithzg[m]> `/var/log/sddm.log` is, unhelpfully, empty.
 Looks to be in the queue now (re @ItzSwirlz: My someone sponsor this major patch to UKUI-control-center? Major bug I found caused many test cases to fail, and fix is available and needs to be synced. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ukui-control-center/+bug/1870934/)
 Yep 💤 (re @ubuntutesting_bot: [irc] <valorie> @RikMills is in the UK so hopefully sleeping peacefully now!)
[07:36] <keithzg[m]> Manually running `startx` doesn't work either, although it prints no errors to the screen or the log, it just exits :/
 And accepted :) (re @RikMills: Looks to be in the queue now)
[08:40] <georgelappies> hi all
[08:40] <lotuspsychje> welcome georgelappies
[08:41] <georgelappies> is it a known bug in 20.04 that in the Terminator terminal application when broadcasting, every key press gets broadcasted twice?
[08:41] <georgelappies> thanks lotuspsychje
[08:41] <lotuspsychje> georgelappies: tell us what to test to reproduce?
[08:49] <georgelappies> install terminator "sudo apt install terminator -y" then maximize terminator. In an empty space in the app right click and choose split vertical, then in bar just below title choose broadcast all. every keypress is broadcasted twice instead of once
[08:51] <georgelappies> let me know if you need more info
[08:51] <lotuspsychje> georgelappies: when i type ubuntu in the left, it gives: uubbuunnttuu
[08:51] <lotuspsychje>  in the right
[08:51] <georgelappies> yeah, that is the bug
[08:52] <lotuspsychje> ok tnx, lets check terminator recent bugs now holdon
[08:52] <georgelappies> each keypress is sent twice instead of just once
[08:52] <lotuspsychje> ok seems like an old bug already
[08:53] <lotuspsychje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/terminator/+bug/1398424
[08:54] <georgelappies> aah, awesome, thanks. So it should be fixed for 20.04 soon before live?
[08:55] <lotuspsychje> i dont think so, as the bug is old, and still doesnt say fixed
[08:55] <georgelappies> Could I perhaps assist?
[08:55] <lotuspsychje> not sure whats the prefered way here
[08:56] <lotuspsychje> we probably need the attention of the maintainer
[08:56] <georgelappies> I will get in contact with him/her
[08:56] <lotuspsychje> ok, i also affected to the bug
[08:57] <lotuspsychje> and added a comment
[08:58] <georgelappies> thanks
[08:58] <lotuspsychje> welcome and thanks to report it georgelappies
 can someone tell me where to report bugs with the following please?
 1. VPN
 2. Video issue.
[10:07] <guiverc> @chrisjimallen, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs provides details on how to report bugs, but you need to know package on which to report, video will depend on where it occurs, driver(s) in use etc
 thank you @guiverc
 Hi
 Welcome @InternetHeroBINIT
 wait, you're not THE @InternetHeroBINIT are you? :D
 welcome :D
 Any Ubuntu builds for Raspberry Pi 4?
[11:19] <lotuspsychje> @GalacticLion7: from how i understand it, ubuntu should now support them by default: https://9to5linux.com/ubuntu-20-04-lts-beta-is-now-available-for-download
 Welcome! (re @cloudtwelve: )

[12:32] <lotuspsychje> anyone had issues on -desktop beta on last updates with gdm3 and gnome-shell?
[12:47] <lotuspsychje> i assume its bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/accountsservice/+bug/1843982
 welcome Josef @n9cqvax pc @Sandeepattri
 but they are for 18.04 and will likely have 20.04 (re @GalacticLion7: Thanks for the recommendation. They seem to only be avaiable for the B2, B3, and B3+ (Raspberry Pi 2 and 3). Just like Lubuntu's.)
 i heard on a linux podcast that ubuntu officially will be supporting Pi 4. (re @GalacticLion7: Any Ubuntu builds for Raspberry Pi 4?)
[13:30] <lotuspsychje> hey philipz ; )
 hey lotuspsychje
 @GalacticLion7 yep it was mentioned on linux unplugged - https://linuxunplugged.com/347
 By the way, @cloudtwelve is our 100th member! 💯
[13:50] <lotuspsychje> yay
[13:51] <lotuspsychje> !cookie | developers
 ?
[13:56] <lotuspsychje> @Itzswirlz cookies are used to give to good volunteers in the #ubuntu support channels
 Oh
 @Eickmeyer, wxl: in case you guys didn't see Joe's response - https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EU5jCYCXsAAytuQ?format=png&name=900x900
 That's not his responsibility (re @philipz: @Eickmeyer, wxl: in case you guys didn't see Joe's response - https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EU5jCYCXsAAytuQ?format=png&name=900x900)
 His job is to go research them
 You don't go yell at flavors for bad work
 That's not our responsibility (edited) (re @philipz: @Eickmeyer, wxl: in case you guys didn't see Joe's response - https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EU5jCYCXsAAytuQ?format=png&name=900x900)
 Again, can we not berate people for what they choose to publish on their own site.
 Oy. Can't seem to find why things don't work.
 Oy. Can't seem to find why things don't work. (Source code) (edited)
 Why not? (re @ItzSwirlz: That's not our responsibility)
 this was pulled from this discussion - https://twitter.com/killyourfm/status/1247043105632792576 (re @philipz: @Eickmeyer, wxl: in case you guys didn't see Joe's response - https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EU5jCYCXsAAytuQ?format=png&name=900x900)
 Popey: Again, can we not berate people for what they choose to publish on their own site. (re @ericadams: Why not?)
 Switch the convo
 I thought they made some valid points. If you want your message out there then put together some basic materials. Seems pretty simple. But I'll leave it there.
 True.
 Anyways, bug #1871279
 And source code in Linux Mint seems fine. Oy.
 Pray for the best then 🤷‍♀️
 new development task: I need to find Mint's LM Sounds. I can't seem to get system sounds working on Cinnamon
 @ItzSwirlz @philipz @popeydc I've already had direct conversations with Joe, so as far as I'm concerned, it's resolved on my end. Long-story short, I'll be putting a screenshot up with every release announcement from now on.
 \o/
 nice
 Linux Mint testing time ;-;
 My condolances? (re @ItzSwirlz: Linux Mint testing time ;-;)
 I need to do research (re @Eickmeyer: My condolances?)
 Ah.
 Cinnamon sounds aren't in Ubuntu Cinnamon
 They're part of mint-artwork so ill add it to environment
 Got it
 Mint sounds are weird, but assuming their license is GPL I should be fine
 E.g switch workspace
 A clap sound basically
 Perf
 New problem, the autodirectory it searches for is “mint-artwork”
 So Mint has their own special directory things
 oh boy
 deciding to stream developing sounds on youtube
 Is the video for lids
 Is the video for kids (edited)
 oh dear
 I think as I wait for the Ubuntu Cinnamon account to get option to stream, I'll stick with twitch.
 Somehow this happened: bug #1871431
 flavor retweeting
 https://twitter.com/UbuntuBudgie/status/1247215315357962240
 https://twitter.com/Xubuntu/status/1247495588553216001
 hmm
 i'll see if its worth it
 hm
 unless ubuntu cinnamon had one
 I'll retweet Xubuntu's
 You left out Lubuntu, (re @philipz: https://twitter.com/Xubuntu/status/1247495588553216001)
 You left out Lubuntu (edited) (re @philipz: https://twitter.com/Xubuntu/status/1247495588553216001)
 Lubuntu is in the list. (re @ItzSwirlz: You left out Lubuntu)
 Oh nvm
 It was lubuntuofficial
 That is us.
 I will work on getting it retweeted shortly.
 #UbuntuTestingWeek mentioned in Linux++ https://frontpagelinux.com/news/linux-plusplus-april-5-2020/

 Alright. I implemented sounds into Ubuntu Cinnamon
 was suggesting xubuntu do as well, as the current hoops you have to jump through to get them working is quite crazy (re @ItzSwirlz: Alright. I implemented sounds into Ubuntu Cinnamon)
 welcome @Preetamhegde.
 Thank you Yousuf!
 which flavor are you testing today?
 Xubuntu
 are you trying it in VM or on real hardware? have you found any bugs so far?
 I'm trying on VM for now. I have just started.
 if you haven't read the announcement yet, please do so as it has alot of info in it - https://xubuntu.org/news/xubuntu-20-04-testing-week/
 Thanks for the info.
 heyy
 hi @therealriganb
 I just wanted to ask that whether installing Lubuntu 20.04 Beta will impact day to day usage much
 I know bit general stuff about software and systems but am quite new to actually using Linux
 I tried Elementary and Ubuntu but they seemed to be heavy for my old laptop
 Hey Sir, please help me out (re @philipz: hi @therealriganb)
 Anyone here??
 patience.
 Alrighty Alan 😂 I am just a bit excited to switch between distributions and learn more and more about Linux and Ubuntu
 Teen spirit you know
 the beta isnt 100% stable, which is why its a beta, but you should be able to install and run it for day to day usage with limited problems, as long as you keep it updated (re @therealriganb: I just wanted to ask that whether installing Lubuntu 20.04 Beta will impact day to day usage much)
 @kc2bez @guiverc you guys agree
 In comparison, the LXQT is a lightweight desktop environment. (re @therealriganb: I tried Elementary and Ubuntu but they seemed to be heavy for my old laptop)
 you can try xubuntu which is also light like lubuntu (re @therealriganb: I tried Elementary and Ubuntu but they seemed to be heavy for my old laptop)
 As a beginner, maybe wait for final release would be better. (re @therealriganb: I just wanted to ask that whether installing Lubuntu 20.04 Beta will impact day to day usage much)
 Yeah
 Alright, thanks for all the responses
 Okay just one more question, might seem stupid but will updating from beta 20.04 or stable 18.04 to stable 20.04 release require me to back my data up?
 When in doubt, back up. That’s my philosophy anyways. (re @therealriganb: Okay just one more question, might seem stupid but will updating from beta 20.04 or stable 18.04 to stable 20.04 release require me to back my data up?)
 You should always *always* have a backup of your data
 our good friend @popeydc shows how you can do so with a software called clonezilla https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxWmizuVl-g
 You guys are so good, in a time like this locked up in a home Linux is the best thing I am having a look at, and I am feeling so happy I found this group now (re @philipz: our good friend @popeydc shows how you can do so with a software called clonezilla https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxWmizuVl-g)
 I also like to back up specific partitions using the gnome disk utility
 I was actually stuck in Ubuntu unable to figure out how to free up space from root partition post install
 there is an app called bleachbit which can help remove some things from root. other than that, you'd have to uninstall apps and potentially unused kernels
 Ya I saw that in a video today, installed it using Synaptic and used it as well, reminded me somewhat of CCleaner that I used on Windows about 3-4 years back (re @philipz: there is an app called bleachbit which can help remove some things from root. other than that, you'd have to uninstall apps and potentially unused kernels)
 you can use the app baobab to see where all the space in root is being taken up by
 i use CCleaner as well on windows
 root has lots of storage, it just says the partition is in use (re @philipz: you can use the app baobab to see where all the space in root is being taken up by)
 It was acquired by Avast a few years back na? I saw a few articles online regarding the decreasing trust on CCleaner so I stopped using it (re @philipz: i use CCleaner as well on windows)
 My Sony VAIO from 6-7 laptop just couldn't sustain on Windows anymore tho
[19:36] <dax> It was, yes. As someone who does Windows sysadmin as her day job, I'd recommend sticking to the built-in Microsoft cleanup tool (cleanmgr).
 My Sony VAIO (from 6-7 years old )laptop just couldn't sustain on Windows anymore tho (edited)
 And it has something called StorageSense as well na? (re @ubuntutesting_bot: [irc] <dax> It was, yes. As someone who does Windows sysadmin as her day job, I'd recommend sticking to the built-in Microsoft cleanup tool (cleanmgr).)
 O waitttt, what's this irc? (re @ubuntutesting_bot: [irc] <dax> It was, yes. As someone who does Windows sysadmin as her day job, I'd recommend sticking to the built-in Microsoft cleanup tool (cleanmgr).)
 Getting born late made me miss a lot of early stuff I guess
 this telegram group is connected with an irc channel
 so if i'm getting you right, you want to reduce the size of root? (re @therealriganb: root has lots of storage, it just says the partition is in use)
 O yes, I remember it said there are 3 ways to connect to this chat (re @philipz: this telegram group is connected with an irc channel)
 Yess, because when I installed ubuntu replacing everything, it automatically gave all my 500 gigs to root (re @philipz: so if i'm getting you right, you want to reduce the size of root?)
 There's no home partition
 And just a swap one of 2 gigs
 what you can do is run a live session off USB and open up gparted and then decrease the size of the root partition
 okay I will see if I will need that in future, since I am switching to Lubuntu right now anyway
 if you want separate root and home partitions, you'll have to go into the advanced setting during the installation to set that
 can you explain me in a bit detail? Like if I am completely removing everything from my laptop and just want Lubuntu for now with separate root and home partitions, do I need to use GParted live first? (re @philipz: if you want separate root and home partitions, you'll have to go into the advanced setting during the installation to set that)
 https://www.tecmint.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/Select-Ubuntu-16.04-Installation-Type.png
 Ya but how do I free up all the space acquired by Ubuntu already on my disk? (re @philipz: https://www.tecmint.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/Select-Ubuntu-16.04-Installation-Type.png)
 in gparted, you can create, resize and delete partitions, then use 'something else' in the installer to set the partition bindings that you want. thats how i do it.
 Delete all partitions, and then re-create root and home partitions with suitable size. (re @therealriganb: Ya but how do I free up all the space acquired by Ubuntu already on my disk?)
 and swap
 After choose advanced partition tool('something else' options), you can create or delete partition by click plus and minus  button. And then choose appropriate mount point for each partition, such as  '/' and '/home/'.
 Yes, we do try to minimize any impact that changes will introduce but sometimes things do break. That being said, it is fine for a secondary machine or test machine. (re @philipz: @kc2bez @guiverc you guys agree)
 alright I'll do this (re @philipz: in gparted, you can create, resize and delete partitions, then use 'something else' in the installer to set the partition bindings that you want. thats how i do it.)
 thanks (re @brsch: After choose advanced partition tool('something else' options), you can create or delete partition by click plus and minus  button. And then choose appropriate mount point for each partition, such as  '/' and '/home/'.)
 here is a vid that should help https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OU_dkeFprhY
 @philipz Ubuntu supports it for their server edition, but not their desktop
 I do agree with @philipz's earlier answer (re @therealriganb: I just wanted to ask that whether installing Lubuntu 20.04 Beta will impact day to day usage much)
[21:37]  * guiverc agree's with Dan's too
[21:42] <valorie> kubuntu beta is running great on my travel lappy
 Sounds working
 hello boys, i went to install ubuntu kylin 20.04, but my wifi only worked on the live cd, and when it is installed it doesn't work, can someone help me? or would that be a bit of a bug?
[22:47] <valorie> not a boy, but most def. a bug
[22:48] <valorie> probably `ubuntu-bug networkmanager`
[22:48] <valorie> and link to your bug report on the qatracker
 Still trying to figure out this bug. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/blueman/+bug/1860851
 Blueman 2.1.2 worked fine for me
 Gotta wait until tomorrow to build ISO