[00:08] <Sheilong> What is a nice pdf reader for ubuntu that allows you to choose a different background color to read ?
[00:25] <pragmaticenigma> Sheilong, Please ask for software recommendations, and opinions in the #ubuntu-offtopic channel
[00:28] <irreleph4nt> Hi. What's the prefered approach when I need to install a package for an older version of Ubuntu (18.04) on - say - 19.10?
[00:29] <oerheks> calibre is a huge collection ereaders
[00:29] <Thete> irreleph4nt: apt-get install pkg=version
[00:30] <oerheks> irreleph4nt, mixing versions can cause huge funny errors. what package exactly?
[00:30] <Thete> irreleph4nt: if it's not there, then from ppa
[00:30] <pragmaticenigma> !ppa | Thete
[00:30] <oerheks> and pinning, yes it is doable.
[00:30] <irreleph4nt> oerheks, jellyfin on 20.04 beta ... it's not available for 20.04 yet but for 19.10. So I'd be looking to use that version
[00:31] <Thete> is it not on their repo?
[00:32] <Thete> https://jellyfin.org/downloads/
[00:32] <Thete> I would install their deb package from repo if it's there, otherwise just dpkg it
[00:32] <pragmaticenigma> Thete, the channel does not encourage people to use PPAs without a strong reason for doing so. PPAs are not monitored by Ubuntu of Canonical and have been known to cause system instability and corruption
[00:32] <irreleph4nt> Thete, thanks, I would have missed that. Ideally though I'd like to install from their repo to receive updates
[00:33] <oerheks> https://community.spinup.com/t/m2v4f4/install-jellyfin-media-server-ubuntu-1804 .. if not available, join #jellyfin
[00:33] <oerheks> here on #freenode
[00:33] <Thete> irreleph4nt: it should under "stable" there
[00:33] <oerheks> 1000+ lurkers there
[00:34] <irreleph4nt> let me try that real quick. docs say it's only available up until eoan
[00:34] <Thete> pragmaticenigma: is this not a "advanced user" type channel being on freenode/IRC and all?
[00:34] <Thete> pragmaticenigma: and if not, is there one?
[00:35] <irreleph4nt> Thete, I receive a 404 on that stable repo
[00:35] <irreleph4nt> so guess it really does not exist yet
[00:35] <pragmaticenigma> Thete, it's an all experince level, and best to not recommend things that you aren't personally going to be available full time to support. Many PPAs include packages that overwrite core modules in Ubuntu which cause issues later. Many of the regular volunteers and myself do not recommend them for this reason. Clean up after the fact is really hard to do
[00:36] <oerheks> #jellyfin
[00:36] <irreleph4nt> oerheks, yeah, I'll go there and ask :)
[00:36] <oerheks> have fun!
[00:36] <irreleph4nt> oerheks, Thete thanks for your help, though!
[00:36] <Thete> irreleph4nt: I'll PM you, trying to install it atm
[00:37] <pragmaticenigma> Thete why do you instead follow irreleph4nt to #jellyfin and that way both you and the community can help them further?
[00:38] <irreleph4nt> is there a way to feed apt or dpkg a URL or am I forced to download the deb manually and then start the install?
[00:38] <pragmaticenigma> irreleph4nt, apt is for working with repositories only, not debs
[00:38] <Thete> apt works for deb packages as well
[00:40] <pragmaticenigma> Thete, It never has and still doesn't ... apt is a package manager that works with online repositories. There is no command that I have been made aware of that allows apt to install a package directly
[00:40] <Thete> apt-get install ./package.deb
[00:40] <ducasse> try 'apt install /path/to/filename.deb'
[00:41] <oerheks> blup .. lets see the dependencies errors first
[00:41] <oerheks> dpkg -i <deb>
[00:47] <mkquist> irreleph4nt: why do it that way?  (curious)  just to save a few key strokes?
[00:48] <irreleph4nt> mkquist, I am in the process of migrating from Fedora (used Arch before that). I am simply used to being able to point pacman and dnf at a URL and have them handle things
[00:49] <irreleph4nt> so no particular reason other than habit
[00:49] <mkquist> irreleph4nt: i see, just curious like I said
[00:50] <irreleph4nt> I am strongly in favor of having your package manager handle all packages you install, so I shy away from things like npm or pip
[00:50] <irreleph4nt> and hence happened to point pacman at URLs a lot in the past
[01:31] <drbean> Why when I type 'sudo apt install update-alternatives' do I get the message: Únable to locate package update-alternatives'?
[01:32] <sarnold> drbean: apt can't install packages by executable name, it needs package names (or tasks for tasksel, but that's something else)
[01:32] <sarnold> but since update-alternatives is supplied by dpkg, if you're missing that package, apt isn't going to work well anyway:
[01:32] <sarnold> $ dpkg -S `which update-alternatives`
[01:33] <sarnold> dpkg: /usr/bin/update-alternatives
[01:33] <pragmaticenigma> isn't update-alternatives available in ubuntu as part of the core isntallation?
[01:34] <drbean> I see update-alternatives is already available with 'which'.
[01:35] <genii> It's part of the dpkg package, so yes, core
[01:36] <pragmaticenigma> drbean, perhaps we can help you with using update-alternatives. What is your goal or need for update-alternatives?
[01:39] <drbean> I'm OK. I'm just used to alternatives on fedora. Assuming it's the same interface, I just need to switch between elinks and lynx. I use it to create 'v'as an alternative name for vim.
[02:36] <cnnx> is there a way to copy and paste text while preserving formatting?
[02:36] <cnnx> i have ebooks and the formatting goes away
[02:37] <cnnx> in libreoffice writer or other ubuntu apps
[02:37] <cnnx> with control V
[02:37] <lestac> guys, if you can take a train to the south of Chile or sailboat to the North of South-America, who decide? (in the beginning of autumn...)
[04:23] <alkisg> Hi guys, I want to install Ubuntu for a Chinese user. I know nothing about Chinese, he knows nothing about Ubuntu. I usually prefer Ubuntu MATE. Should I install Kylin for him?
[05:36] <jsjfnirc> Some questions about following the Full Disk Encryption Howto 2019 when I want to dual boot Win 10 and Ubuntu 19.10, both using Secure Boot.  I can install either Win 10 (encrypted with Veracrypt) or Eoan Ubuntu (built per the Howto and encrypted with LUKS) on a system with a Secure Boot-enabled EFI, but can't figure out how to have both installed and bootable together on the same machine.  Is this the right place to ask
[05:36] <jsjfnirc> about how to adapt the Howto to Secure Boot and dual boot?
[05:59] <Major_Wedgie> Hello
[06:06] <cornel> hello
[06:06] <cornel> how do i know on a certain system, which users upgraded git ?
[06:07] <cornel> ubuntu 16.04
[06:11] <Major_Wedgie> Well it's all fun and games until someone loses an eye.
[06:49] <cornel> how can i revert to origina lversion of git in ubuntu 1604?
[06:50] <ducasse> cornel: can you pastebin output of 'apt policy git'
[06:50] <ducasse> ?
[06:51] <cornel> not easily
[06:51] <cornel> the machine is behind a corporate firewall
[06:51] <ducasse> well, you can purge the git packages and reinstall with apt
[06:51] <ducasse> that should get it from the repos
[06:52] <cornel> it is from the repos
[06:52] <cornel> but i'd like to get the original version that was released with ubuntu 16.04
[06:52] <cornel> not the newest one
[06:53] <ducasse> the one available on release, with no updates?
[06:53] <cornel> yes
[06:53] <ducasse> try to download manually if it is still available, then install
[06:54] <ducasse> but i don't know if it's still there
[06:58] <cornel> ducasse, thank you very much
[07:44] <sudp> hello
[07:48] <Groar> hi sudp
[07:51] <delldom> hello sudp
[07:52] <sudp> yes
[07:53] <sudp> i have a problem
[07:54] <EriC^> !ask | sudp
[09:05] <littlepython> hi there,  a postgres client was installed in the vms. how can i find its version
[09:05] <littlepython> we just ran a apt-get to do the install
[09:06] <littlepython> what am i trying to do: i want to make sure apt-get downloads the specific version that was present in the vm
[09:06] <littlepython> i dont want apt-get to install the latest version of post gres
[09:07] <lotuspsychje> littlepython: apt-cache search 'yourpackage'
[09:08] <lotuspsychje> littlepython: the package versions, are related to your ubuntu release repos
[09:08] <mas886> So I have this bug where the audio doesn't work, so I used to go to "Advanced options" when on boot to change the kernel version and make it work. But now, the latest update has deleted last working kernel version. Is there any way I can make the audio work on the newest or re-download older kernel versions?
[09:09] <lotuspsychje> mas886: wich kernel version is still affected on this alsa bug?
[09:09] <mas886> .46
[09:10] <mas886> lotuspsychje
[09:10] <lotuspsychje> mas886: this user #16 says -46 works for him https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1867803
[09:12] <mas886> lotuspsychje: Not for me then, -40 was the last working version for me
[09:12] <lotuspsychje> hmm that makes things weird
[09:12] <lotuspsychje> mas886: your system is up to date also?
[09:13] <mas886> lotuspsychje: Yep, it's a pretty recent Asus laptop
[09:14] <lotuspsychje> !info linux-image-generic-HWE-18.04 bionic
[09:14] <lotuspsychje> mas886: could you pastebin your dmesg please?
[09:15] <lotuspsychje> mas886: i meant your system updates are done?
[09:15] <lotuspsychje> !uptodate | mas886 to check
[09:16] <mas886> lotuspsychje: Yeah just updated it an hour ago and rebooted. My pastebin: https://pastebin.com/Q1L8EU9X
[09:20] <littlepython24> what does apt-cache search does?
[09:20] <lotuspsychje> mas886: hmm some nvidia issues in your dmesg, can you pastebin: sudo lshw -C video plz?
[09:20] <lotuspsychje> littlepython24: it lists packages on the repos, specific to your ubuntu version
[09:21] <osse> Hi, guys. Is there a convenient way of tagging/labeling/whatever the locations shown here? https://imgur.com/a/Jl3n0o4
[09:21] <mas886> lotuspsychje: https://pastebin.com/WjHTt9LP that's it
[09:21] <littlepython24> lotuspsychje https://dpaste.org/Ugca
[09:21] <Kangarooo> how to report bug against ubuntu-bug ?
[09:22] <lotuspsychje> mas886: can you try a driver switch to test?
[09:23] <littlepython24> so from dpkg -l | grep postgres
[09:23] <littlepython24> i can see that 9.6 version of postgres got installed
[09:23] <littlepython24> how can i make sure to install the same version in another machine
[09:23] <littlepython24> how to do this?
[09:23] <mas886> lotuspsychje: How do I do that?
[09:23] <lotuspsychje> mas886: software&updates tab additional drivers
[09:24] <eni> Hello, i upgraded lubuntu 19.04 => 19.10 and now i can't have the login page anymore. I have lubuntu. How can I go for fixing this? XServer is installed and I can startx if I go for troubleshoot mode.
[09:25] <lotuspsychje> Kangarooo: did you find an apport bug?
[09:26] <Kangarooo> @lotuspsychje
[09:26] <mas886> lotuspsychje: seems to be stuck at gathering system informaation
[09:26] <Kangarooo> an idea to make better
[09:26] <FrankyGov> heya
[09:26] <FrankyGov> Dear heroes
[09:27] <lotuspsychje> Kangarooo: wich idea?
[09:27] <FrankyGov> Is there any keyboard shortcut within KDE Console to navigate throughout the tabs without having to use the mouse?
[09:29]  * Kangarooo @lotuspsychje  to identify app with something like if cant find package then sleep 5 && dpkg -S "\/bin/$(xprop WM_CLASS | cut -d "\"" -f2)"
[09:29] <Kangarooo> mate-terminal -- bash -c 'sleep 2; dpkg -S "\/bin/$(xprop WM_CLASS | cut -d "\"" -f2)"; sleep 5'
[09:29] <Kangarooo> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/R3QfxAYu/
[09:30] <lotuspsychje> mas886: theres also this error in your dmesg: sof-audio-pci 0000:00:1f.3: Direct firmware load for intel/sof/sof-cfl.ri failed with error -2
[09:31] <lotuspsychje> littlepython24: on the system you need postgresql on, apt-cache search postgresql to see wich version is available
[09:32] <mas886> lotuspsychje: Oh, I see, BTW I managed to switch graphic driver I'm going to reboot to see if it makes any change
[09:32] <lotuspsychje> eni: you upgraded to 19.10 from an eol version, thats risky to keep using due security !usn
[09:33] <lotuspsychje> eni: more reccomended would be clean installing a supported version from the topic
[09:33] <eni> from eol ? i did the do-release-upgrade
[09:33] <lotuspsychje> eni: 19.04 is end of life from some time now
[09:34] <eni> i cannot fresh install sorry
[09:34] <eni> its working now that I installed gdm3 anyways
[09:34] <lotuspsychje> eni: that means security issues could already entered your system, are you sure you want to take that risk?
[09:34] <eni> yeah for the moment it's ok
[09:34] <mas886> lotuspsychje: So rebooting with the other graphicc driver made no change, any idea about the pulse audio error?
[09:34] <lotuspsychje> ok
[09:34] <eni> i might fresh install later
[09:35] <FrankyGov> I solved by using > Konsole > Settings: SHIFT + left arrow and SHIFT + right arrow. Those two combinations allow me to navigate through the different tabs
[09:35] <lotuspsychje> mas886: ok, tnx for testing that
[09:35] <eni> what is the DM for lubuntu ?
[09:36] <eni> like GDM3 is the default for ubuntu...?
[09:37] <lotuspsychje> mas886: wich kernel versions do you still have to test?
[09:37] <RikMills> eni: sddm
[09:38] <eni> thanks rikmills
[09:38] <mas886> lotuspsychje: I tried all the last ones, -43, -45 and -46 and none of them work
[09:39] <lotuspsychje> mas886: allright, can you add a comment on bug #1867803 affect yourself to the bug, and attach your dmesg to the comment and mention you still have this bug on -46 ?
[09:41] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[09:41] <lotuspsychje> osse: gparted or disk-tools perhaps?
[09:41] <mas886> lotuspsychje: Okay, will do it
[09:41] <mas886> Thanks for trying to help me
[09:41] <lotuspsychje> welcome mas886
[09:45] <aLeSD> hi all
[09:45] <aLeSD> my / seems to be mounted as : /dev/nvme0n1p2 on / type ext4 (ro,relatime,errors=remount-ro).
[09:45] <aLeSD> How could I remount it with rw ?
[09:46] <aLeSD> I did something like:
[09:46] <aLeSD> ➜  ~ sudo mount -o remount,rw /dev/nvme0n1p2 /
[09:46] <aLeSD> mount: /: mount point not mounted or bad option.
[09:57] <ScottHDev> Hello Hello !  My friend's pc is a miracle of shit : We've first tried manjaro. But it was taking hours to boot, and even hours to login (after we've entered the password in display manager). Following the lecture of dmesg, we thought of a GPU issue. Indeed, the card was too recent to work with nouveau drivers. But that wasn't it, at least not
[09:57] <ScottHDev> everything. At that point the pc boots always in a few hours, and still takes an eternity to login.We've then suspected the network card based on the same error messages. Finally we've abandonned manjaro and decided to go for a more mainstream distro.So we went for pop!_os.It has never booted.So we ended up trying our final choice, ubuntu. And
[09:57] <ScottHDev> halleluia, It has boot.In a little 3 hours...Have you any ideas ?
[10:01] <jelly> ScottHDev, extreme slowness can be induced with overheating or a problematic hard drive sometimes.  Can you log in at the console and look at "sensors" output?  Can you look at sensor values in BIOS?
[10:01] <jelly> ScottHDev, how much RAM and which CPU does the system have?
[10:01] <ScottHDev> I tell you than in a moment
[10:04] <ScottHDev> CPU is an intel core i3-6006U
[10:04] <ScottHDev> And I don't remember but I think it has 8GO of ram
[10:07] <jelly> i3-6006U is a 15W low power CPU for mobile use, if your system is not a mobile but a small standalone box in similar class as NUC, I'd first look at thermal issues
[10:08] <ScottHDev> Indeed it's a laptop
[10:08] <ScottHDev> And we never opened it
[10:09] <ScottHDev> So I got confirmation : it has 8Gigs of ram
[10:10] <ScottHDev> Ok, so I got news
[10:11] <ScottHDev> The boot from scratch to the display manager only takes a few seconds, it's from the display manager to the session that takes time
[10:11] <ScottHDev> Does this change anything
[10:11] <ScottHDev> ?
[10:17] <DJones> +-+
[10:18] <DJones> Sorry
[11:22] <buzzheavyyear> Hi, I have a problem that I've been unable to find a solution to - I have three monitors running with 18.4 and everything works perfectly except for windows display:screen - xterm -display :1.0 works, xterm -display :1.1 throws a 'xterm: Xt error: Can't open display: :1.1'. Is there a solution to this?
[11:37] <Roland-> hey guys I have an silly issue, if I do iptables -L for example, works fine. However, adding into a bash script, like this: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Sjm46pGXZy/ I get an error.
[11:38] <Roland-> if I do iptables -t filter -L says iptables: No chain/target/match by that name.
[11:40] <geirha> Roland-: your script has windows line endings
[11:41] <Roland-> ah indeed
[11:47] <Roland-> perfect thank you I did not spot that
[11:55] <phatcat> hello, I added a new user to root group
[11:55] <phatcat> but it won't let me edit /etc/nginx files
[11:56] <phatcat> "Insufficient access privileges"
[11:56] <phatcat> via SFTP
[12:03] <ryankrage77> what command did you use to add them to the group?
[12:19] <doug16k> phatcat, does the file have group write allowed?
[12:20] <doug16k> it probably doesn't
[12:20] <phatcat> doug16k: no it doesn't
[12:20] <phatcat> doug16k: would 755 be safe?
[12:20] <doug16k> just do chmod g+w /etc/nginx
[12:20] <doug16k> sudo that
[12:20] <phatcat> ryankrage77: sudo usermod -aG sudo
[12:21] <doug16k> what?
[12:21] <phatcat> doug16k: is g+w the equivalent of 755?
[12:21] <doug16k> g+w means make the middle digit have the second bit set
[12:21] <doug16k> g+w -> group allow write
[12:22] <ryankrage77> I think adding them to sudoers would require any commands to be run with sudo, which SFTP wouldn't do
[12:22] <ryankrage77> so you'd need to change the permissions on the files
[12:22] <phatcat> aha, understood
[12:22] <phatcat> thanks
[13:01] <jpleau> Hi. apt upgrade wants to install wine-stable and its friends, addingup to 1.1GB of data.. is there a way to tell why it wants to install this package?
[13:05] <pragmaticenigma> jpleau: I don't think there is an easy way to get the release notes/reasons via the terminal
[13:07] <jpleau> I think I found it. apt show lutris shows it now recommends libwine-development, that's probably it.
[13:07] <pragmaticenigma> jpleau: you're looking for package dependencies? I thought you were looking for something akin to release notes
[13:08] <ducasse> jpleau: you can try 'aptitude why wine' if aptitude is installed
[13:09] <ducasse> sorry, wine-stable
[13:27] <gitter1234> Hi! So I'm trying to write a little critique of Linux here. Would anybody mind checking it out and giving me some feedback? Thanks! -- https://pastebin.com/SuQPPfwK
[13:27] <pragmaticenigma> gitter1234: this isn't the place for that. please use #ubuntu-offtopic
[13:28] <gitter1234> pragmaticenigma: Sorry about that, cheers!
[13:28] <ryankrage77> you'll probably get a friendlier response in one of the BSD channes
[13:28] <ryankrage77> *channels
[13:29] <gitter1234> True true
[13:29] <lotuspsychje> ryankrage77: that was not necesary..
[13:40] <Hamilton> Can I check my HDD to see if any files can be recovered (by possibly listing their names)?
[13:41] <jlevon> is there any way to install two "mail-transport-agent" packages or am I compiling ssmtp from source?
[13:41] <lotuspsychje> Hamilton: photorec can get files back from far away ages if you want
[13:42] <lotuspsychje> Hamilton: you can setup filetypes in the settings, so you can more easy refind your lost files
[13:42] <Hamilton> lotuspsychje, Does it change my HDD partition in the process? I have Windows 10 (2 drives) and Linux (1 system 1 swap) along side other partitions used in MBR
[13:43] <lotuspsychje> Hamilton: no, photorec will only scan and get your data back, but make sure you target the recovery to somewhere else
[13:44] <Hamilton> lotuspsychje, They don't come up with GUI clients right?
[13:44] <pragmaticenigma> jlevon: you might have better success asking in #ubuntu-server ... to the best of my knowledge there is no way to install two distinct instances of a package through apt. There are some other work arounds, like placing both MTA's into containers (such as LXD) and allowing them to run side-by-side on the same machine
[13:44] <Hamilton> lotuspsychje, Is it safe to also scan swap and windows partitions inside my Ubuntu session?
[13:44] <jlevon> looks like it was irrelevant anyway: ssmtp is on the way out in favour of msmtp, which doesn't have the problem. cheers.
[13:45] <lotuspsychje> Hamilton: scan swap?
[13:46] <Hamilton> lotuspsychje, swap partitions
[13:46] <Hamilton> I created a 11 GB swap partition for installing ubuntu
[13:47] <lotuspsychje> Hamilton: photorec scans to recover data, whats the relation to swap partition?
[13:47] <Hamilton> lotuspsychje, Does mere scanning partitions hurt system files or partitions?
[13:48] <pragmaticenigma> Hamilton: photorec does a block-by-block recovery attempt. Depeding on the parameters you give it, will determine how it determines the telemetry for its scan. I don't know how well it does with non-linux native formats.
[13:48] <pragmaticenigma> Hamilton: photorec does everything as readonly... will only do writes when you tell it to
[13:50] <pragmaticenigma> Hamilton: A good idea is when someone in channel gives you a recommendation, you should start to do your own research. Make sure the tool is right for you based on the developer's documentation: https://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/PhotoRec
[13:56] <felco> 20.04 has a release date yet?
[13:56] <sixwheeledbeast> ask over on #ubuntu+1
[13:56] <felco> thanks
[13:56] <pragmaticenigma> felco: releases do not have a firm release date. they are released when they are ready and as many bugs found have been resolved
[13:57] <felco> i see
[13:59] <pragmaticenigma> felco: This is the proposed schedule. Please note, on the page it lists the schedule as "Draft" https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FocalFossa/ReleaseSchedule
[14:00] <felco> nice
[14:00] <craigbass76> Anyone else (on 18.04) getting real choppy audio lately? I noticed it yesterday on my work computer, which I think I updated Friday (or usually try to)
[14:06] <wodim> whats the equivalent to debian's sid?
[14:08] <Hamilton> craigbass76, yes not lately, it was like this on install
[14:08] <Hamilton> craigbass76, VLC, FF are ok but clementine is unsable because of this
[14:10] <pragmaticenigma> wodim: Ubuntu strives for stability so there is no "unstable" channel or release. The closest possible would be to set your machine to get updates from the development channel, but that is not recommended
[14:11] <wodim> pragmaticenigma, so the closest would be to install focal now?
[14:11] <StevenJayCohen> pragmaticenigma: Do you have an opinion on upgrading from 19.10 to 20.04 vs a clean install?
[14:16] <craigbass76> Hamilton, I'm hearing it when I listen to audio in my browser (firefox and Chrome both) but also in something like VLC. Just started yesterday though.
[14:16] <Hamilton> craigbass76, Checkout the accessibility daemon...my latest research pointed to it
[14:18] <craigbass76> Hopefully that's it. As soon as I start being choppy in Zoom meetings, my company will probably make me use a Mac. :(
[14:18] <doug16k> craigbass76, try editing /etc/pulse/system.pa and change the line "load-module module-udev-detect" to "load-module module-udev-detect tsched=0"
[14:18] <craigbass76> doug16k, I'd done that right before I came in here
[14:18] <StevenJayCohen> craigbass76: Do you have JACK set up or just Pulse audio? I ask because Zoom gets choppy for me when running JACK
[14:19] <doug16k> for me half my applications have unbearable crackling without tsched=0
[14:19] <craigbass76> I've got JACK, but it's not running
[14:19] <craigbass76> This is my work PC, so I don't do much audio (Ardour when I do)
[14:20] <StevenJayCohen> craigbass76: Be certain, this bit me during a few Zoom meetings. Sometimes Ubuntu Studio Control doesn't see an active JACK session but qJACKctl will
[14:21] <craigbass76> I just opened up qJACKctl and it didn't show jack running. Even on my Ubuntu Studio box though, I don't have it firing up by default.
[14:21] <craigbass76> Still arguing with that one about my focusrite box and jack, so I'm using Ardour with Alsa, but that's a whole other ball of wax.
[14:22] <StevenJayCohen> craigbass76: I have a couple of apps that will start JACK on their own (Reaper for one) and it doesn't always quit properly.
[14:22] <craigbass76> Ahh. Yeah, I usually fire it up with qJACKctl, then start Ardour (well, back when I was using an analog board to plug a bass in)
[14:23] <StevenJayCohen> craigbass76: I switched from Focusrite to an Audient id4. No issues with JACK and more gain than the Focusrite.
[14:24] <doug16k> I do skype+remote control often, the crackling is really really bad in skype
[14:25] <craigbass76> So, the accessibility daemon Hamilton mentioned... I'm not seeing anything with systemctl | grep running
[14:25] <doug16k> s/is/was/
[14:28] <craigbass76> Slack updated recently. Wonder if (even though I'm not using it for calls) it borked something.
[14:31] <pragmaticenigma> wodim: Take a look at the documentation for "do-release-upgrade" there is a way to trigger your system to run on the dev branch permenatnly. Which means that when focal is released, you will be transitioned to the 20.10 branch
[14:32] <wodim> pragmaticenigma, i currently dont have a system
[14:32] <pragmaticenigma> wodim: Please join me in #ubuntu-discuss
[15:29] <Eickmeyer> StevenJayCohen, craigbass76: I'm pretty sure Ubuntu Studio Controls will only see a Jack session it starts.
[15:29] <monera1> hi guys
[15:29] <monera1> are you there?
[15:30] <monera1> anybody here?
[15:30] <Eickmeyer> !ask | monera1
[15:30] <monera1> thanks. SO I am trying to install Transcriber (http://trans.sourceforge.net/en/install.php)
[15:31] <monera1>  am going around with no success in installing Transcriber in Ubuntu. Way very difficult :s
[15:31] <monera1> I follow all the steps the link above, but no way of passing this part of installing first the tcltk - ./configure --enable-gcc --enable-shared --prefix=/usr/local make
[15:31] <monera1> It doesn't work and gives a bunch of errors. SO I decided to search and do as here, to install tcltk - Install TCL/TK without root
[15:31] <monera1> So I tried the code but it didn't work again, starting here sudo ./configure --prefix=/opt/tcltk
[15:31] <monera1> It was saying I had no permissions in opt so I found a way to create a tcltk folder, fine, but when I put the sudo it comes:
[15:31] <monera1> checking whether to use symlinks for manpages... no
[15:31] <StevenJayCohen> Eickmeyer: Yes, I can confirm that. I just tested. It doesn't see sessions started by Reaper or qJACKctl
[15:31] <Eickmeyer> StevenJayCohen: That's by design.
[15:31] <Eickmeyer> !paste | monera1
[15:32] <Eickmeyer> !enter | monera1
[15:32] <StevenJayCohen> Eickmeyer: I would love some sort ofnotification that there are other JACk sessions started
[15:32] <monera1> I didn't know guys. I am new here
[15:32] <monera1> SOrry
[15:32] <Eickmeyer> monera1: When you entered, there was a topic line to read that explained that.
[15:33] <Eickmeyer> StevenJayCohen: Let's take this to #ubuntustudio
[15:33] <craigbass76> StevenJayCohen, This is offtopic probably, but have you managed to get Ardour and Hydrogen to work at once? I've always got to kill one to start the other.
[15:33] <StevenJayCohen> craigbass76: see you in #ubuntustudio :)
[15:33] <craigbass76> Eickmeyer, Sorry, I was typing and not looking at the screen...
[15:34] <ioria> monera1, and why don't you install it from the ubuntu repo ?
[15:34] <craigbass76> I can't come. I'm working. Tonight maybe.
[15:34] <Eickmeyer> craigbass76: No worries.
[15:35] <monera1> is it in ubuntu repository?
[15:35] <ioria> !info transcriber
[15:36] <monera1> sorry guys, I am a total noob yet, I am learning first steps in ubuntu. where do I find the repository?
[15:37] <craigbass76> And I may just wipe this box over the weekend to start over. It's a Dell, and I'm not sure I want their stuff on it any more. Warranty is up anyway.
[15:37] <craigbass76> monera1, what Ubuntu version are you on?
[15:38] <ioria> monera1,  don't you have the ubuntu Software    icon in your task bar ?
[15:39] <ioria> that sw is included in all versions
[15:39] <monera1> craigbass and ioria yes I have
[15:39] <monera1> though I search transcriber and is not there
[15:39] <monera1> my version is the last
[15:39] <ioria> monera1,  open it , type what you 're looking for
[15:40] <monera1> I typed, but transcriber is not there
[15:40] <ioria> monera1,  apt-caceh policy transcriber
[15:40] <ioria> monera1,  apt-cache  policy transcriber
[15:41] <monera1> ioria what is apt-cache policy transcriber?
[15:41] <ioria> monera1,  run it and it 'll show you the program version and its repo
[15:42] <monera1> ioria TO run it I go to cmd line and type only that?
[15:42] <ioria> monera1,  open a terminal , yes
[15:43] <monera1> it says is not installed
[15:43] <ioria> monera1,  paste the output ; apt-cache policy transcriber | nc termbin.com 9999
[15:44] <monera1> ioria it returned me a link, what should I do now?
[15:44] <ioria> monera1,  paste it here
[15:46] <monera1> ioria here it is https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/zN3BbSZmRb/plain/
[15:46] <ioria> monera1,  try again  ;    apt-cache policy transcriber | nc termbin.com 9999
[15:47] <monera1> it gives the same - https://termbin.com/80n5
[15:48] <monera1> :s
[15:48] <ioria> monera1,  the cmd to install it is    sudo apt install transcriber
[15:49] <monera1> ioria thanks man. I typed that runned and is done
[15:50] <gitShrekt> whoops
[15:50] <ioria> monera1,  ok
[15:50] <gitShrekt> left by mistake
[15:50] <gitShrekt> hi guys
[15:50] <monera1> what should I do now?
[15:50] <gitShrekt> has 20.04 hit feature freeze
[15:50] <gitShrekt> I'm looking to reinstall right now
[15:50] <gitShrekt> and I'm not sure wheter to install directly 20.04
[15:51] <ioria> monera1,  the first thing to do is to read the man page of the newly installed program : man transcriber
[15:52] <gitShrekt> so
[15:53] <gitShrekt> it has not
[15:53] <monera1> I cannot find it. Man I really dont know
[15:53] <gitShrekt> no one uses 20.04 ?
[15:53] <monera1> dont be upset with me
[15:53] <gitShrekt> is it stable enough ?
[15:53] <pragmaticenigma> !focal | gitShrekt
[15:54] <monera1> ah ok I runned the command and oppened the manual
[15:54] <ioria> monera1,  what you mean, you can't find it ?
[15:54] <gitShrekt> so no one's running it
[15:54] <pragmaticenigma> gitShrekt: 20.04 is not considered stable until it is officially released. All further questions and discussion need to be done in #ubuntu+1
[15:54] <gitShrekt> I'm currently on Fedora 32
[15:54] <gitShrekt> and GNOME 3.36 is really awesome
[15:54] <gitShrekt> so what ?
[15:54] <monera1> ioria but how am I able to start and open the program?
[15:55] <ioria> monera1,  press the Win key
[15:55] <monera1> ioria done
[15:55] <ioria> monera1,  type the name of the program
[15:57] <monera1> ah ok
[15:57] <monera1> thanks ioria
[15:57] <monera1> it oppened!
[15:57] <brknman> question that is ubuntu specific
[15:57] <ioria> monera1,  no problem
[15:57] <gitShrekt> The only way to change the default ubuntu dock behavior is to install dash to panel ?
[15:58] <monera1> but dont I need tcltk?
[15:58] <brknman> I have a .deb that I'm trying to install, it does a bunch of checks and asks for information, I'm trying to pre-define it, is it possible with the postinstall script they have?
[15:58] <brknman> https://github.com/jitsi/jitsi-meet/blob/cb0cea4ebd504e61faa423a6747e0c5192705ad0/debian/jitsi-meet-web-config.postinst#L77-L99
[15:58] <monera1> ioria it was saying in the installation page I needed
[15:59] <ioria> monera1,  you already installed it
[15:59] <ioria> monera1,  when you ran apt install trnscriber you automatically installed 'libtcl8.5 libtk8.5 libtk8.6 tcl tcl-snack tcl-tclex tcl8.5 tk tk8.5 tk8.6'
[16:01] <monera1> ioria it was so simple and I was around and around...
[16:01] <monera1> thanks a lot man, really
[16:01] <monera1> you saved my day
[16:01] <ioria> monera1,  it's ok
[16:38] <monera1> guys, is it possible use transcriber to turn audio into subtitles automatically?
[16:39] <ice9> why would i choose ubuntu server over debian?
[16:39] <monera1> I mean does transcriber has voice recognition?
[18:04] <lordcirth> pragmaticenigma, hey, so it looks like the problem was the SATA cable - I tried a new one from my PC and it worked!
[18:05] <pragmaticenigma> yay!
[18:06] <lordcirth> I'm not sure if I have enough new cables for all 3, but new cables are cheap
[18:10] <crypt0kraken> How do I enable the bfq disk scheduler on boot on 18.04, kernel 5.3? The wiki just shows how to enable it temporarily and the resources I find online seem to be outdated
[18:13] <sarnold> crypt0kraken: what's the wiki page in question?
[18:15] <zutat> kernel boot parameters
[18:16] <pragmaticenigma> crypt0kraken: bfq is not available as a package for Ubuntu. How did you install it?
[18:16] <grawity> that's not something you install as a package in the first place...
[18:16] <crypt0kraken> zutat: which ones, specifically?
[18:17] <crypt0kraken> pragmaticenigma: not a package, it's a kernel module available by default, but not enabled by default
[18:17] <zutat> crypt0kraken: can't remember. i'm on another computer. googling something like ubuntu 18.04 grub io scheduler should do the trick
[18:17] <crypt0kraken> sarnold: wiki page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Reference/IOSchedulers
[18:18] <crypt0kraken> for reference, the only things that I've done so far were "sudo modprobe bfq" and "echo "bfq" | sudo tee /sys/block/sda/queue/scheduler"
[18:19] <StevenJayCohen> Running 19.10, clicking on an app with more than 1 open window in the dash (I see 2 dots under the icon). I would like to chage it so it brings ALL windows connected with taht app forward. Now it only raises 1 of the windows. Any ideas?
[18:21] <sarnold> crypt0kraken: thanks
[18:22] <sarnold> crypt0kraken: these bits of the instructions should work fine "GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT string in /etc/default/grub"
[18:22] <crypt0kraken> zutat: Supposedly, I only need to add elevator=bfq to the GRUB command line. But that was a random article from 2 years ago
[18:24] <barnex> Can I safely assume stuff in my /var/lib/flatpak can be safely reinstalled easily? Or do I need to backup that somehow for OS reinstall?
[18:24] <zutat> that wiki page also mentions ubuntu 18.04 with 5.0 kernel. have i missed something?
[18:25] <pragmaticenigma> zutat: bfq wasn't available with the original kernel 18.04 shipped with. You have to enable HWE to receive a later kernel
[18:25] <zutat> pragmaticenigma: ah ok. not worth the hassle, then
[18:27] <pragmaticenigma> zutat: Under the heading "Selecting I/O Schedulers" on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Reference/IOSchedulers has more information
[18:27] <pragmaticenigma> first two paragraphs
[18:27] <grawity> Linux gitlog says elevator= is ignored by the multiqueue IO system
[18:27] <grawity> (and the multiqueue IO system is the only one that remains)
[18:28] <crypt0kraken> the wikipage just says that from kernels 5.0 onwars the multiqueue scheduler is used by default
[18:28] <crypt0kraken> grawity: so my suspicion was correct, that information was outdated and I cannot use elevator= to use bfq
[18:28] <grawity> yes
[18:28] <pragmaticenigma> crypt0kraken: Same wiki under the heading "Selecting I/O Schedulers" https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Reference/IOSchedulers, has the instructions for enabling bfq
[18:29] <pragmaticenigma> it's at the bottom of the section
[18:29] <grawity> since it's changeable through /sys, just create an udev rule to set the desired scheduler whenever the blockdev is detected
[18:29] <grawity> basically ACTION=="add", SUBSYSTEM=="block", KERNEL=="sd?", ATTR{queue/scheduler}="bfq"
[18:30] <crypt0kraken> pragmaticenigma: the wiki just says how to enable it at runtime, not at boot
[18:31] <crypt0kraken> grawity: are you sure? I saw some similar info online, but it was for kernels <5.0
[18:32] <StevenJayCohen> Running 19.10, clicking on an app with more than 1 open window in the dash (I see 2 dots under the icon). I would like to chage it so it brings ALL windows connected with taht app forward. Now it only raises 1 of the windows. Any ideas?
[18:32] <pragmaticenigma> !patience | StevenJayCohen
[18:32] <grawity> crypt0kraken: this doesn't have anything version-specific in it
[18:32] <crypt0kraken> pragmaticenigma: the only kernel parameter the wiki mentions is scsi_mod.use_blk_mq=0, which just disables multiqueue schedulers
[18:33] <grawity> if you want to change a /sys parameter that corresponds to a device, then you do that using ATTR{} from an udev rule
[18:33] <crypt0kraken> grawity: alright, I guess I'll try that, which file do I need to append to/create?
[18:34] <grawity> /etc/udev/rules.d/50-set-iosched.rules I guess
[18:34] <pragmaticenigma> crypt0kraken: there might be a reason it isn't exposed as a boot parameter. Perhaps in the event that you swap out a disk? If you statically set that on boot, and put in a disk that shouldn't have that enabled, couldn't that cause a problem later?
[18:34] <grawity> the official Linux docs are https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/block/switching-sched.html
[18:34] <grawity> this specific file got the mention of elevator= removed a couple releases ago
[18:35] <grawity> probably elevator= was useful back in the day when udev and /sys didn't really exist as such
[18:35] <crypt0kraken> pragmaticenigma: surely it has a boot parameter, we just have to find which is it
[18:36] <pragmaticenigma> crypt0kraken: from what grawity mentioned... it very well could have been removed for a reason, if it isn't documented, I typically go with, it's not supported
[18:37] <crypt0kraken> pragmaticenigma: grawity just said elevator= was deprecated/removed for setting non mq schedulers; setting mq schedulers might be done with a different parameter
[18:38] <StevenJayCohen> pragmaticenigma: searching now :)
[18:41] <pragmaticenigma> crypt0kraken: I think I'm finding the same materials as grawity ... I either see references to the deprecated "elavator" or the suggested add it as a udev rule
[18:43] <pragmaticenigma> crypt0kraken: currently found a thread that mentioned the reason elevator was removed was because it was unreliaable, and that udev offers better fine tuning and is suggested as the path forward
[18:44] <nikolam> hi. I again have large CPU usage on 2 cores from kworker/acpi IRQ9 .. previously I were under impression problems were gone whe I re-seated RAM modules in slot 1 and 2 and now again same problem ..  https://pastebin.com/8G6ECuCY
[18:44] <grawity> well, it was removed for a very specific reason: https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/Documentation/block/switching-sched.rst?id=f97eeb6cfd527f5d40167bf20359eee3c1d23a6d
[18:44] <nikolam> ubuntu 64bit 19.10, updated yesterday
[18:44] <grawity> also https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/Documentation/admin-guide/kernel-parameters.txt?id=85c0a037dc7a1a34d6add49d6eaa2deddbf43d7b
[18:45] <pragmaticenigma> grawity: sounding more and more that the accepted method to managing this scheduler is with a udev rule then, wouldn't you agree?
[18:46] <crypt0kraken> grawity: is the SUBSYSTEM=="block" needed?
[18:46] <grawity> pragmaticenigma: as the person who suggested using a udev rule, I would in fact agree
[18:46] <crypt0kraken> askubuntu answer I found online said ACTION=="add|change",KERNEL=="sd?",ATTR{queue/scheduler}="bfq"
[18:46] <grawity> crypt0kraken: technically no, I just add it habitually for clarity
[18:47] <crypt0kraken> what about ACTION=="add|change"  vs   ACTION=="add" ?
[18:47] <grawity> and I guess to avoid the odd chance that it would match some other sd? device that wasn't a block device
[18:47] <grawity> as for actions, I'm not sure – it's definitely safe to use "add|change" but I don't know whether it's *necessary* to use "add|change"
[18:48] <crypt0kraken> well if it's safe, let's go with that
[18:48] <crypt0kraken> grawity, pragmaticenigma: thank you very much
[18:49] <pragmaticenigma> nikolam: are you using any suspend-to-disk or suspend-to-ram features?
[18:50] <nikolam> pragmaticenigma, nope
[18:50] <nikolam> I hav put it to be always-on
[18:51] <nikolam> It could also be something hardware related.. but just to see what is using IRQ 9 exactly.. or to reset firmware/bios settings to defaults and see
[18:54] <pragmaticenigma> nikolam: IRQ 9 is reserved for ACPI
[18:56] <nikolam> yes, it is acpi then but..
[18:57] <barnex> Is LVM on top of RAID still a thing?
[18:57] <lordcirth> barnex, you mean does it work, or do people still do it? It works, and a few still do it. Why?
[18:58] <barnex> lordcirth: I meant, wasn't raid (0 or 1) made obsolete by LVM
[18:58] <oerheks> gossip..?
[19:00] <lordcirth> barnex, Perhaps. Do you have a specific scenario you need help with?
[19:01] <pragmaticenigma> barnex: RAID 0 and 1 are very different implementation from LVM. They both have their strengths and weaknesses.
[19:04] <lordcirth> pragmaticenigma, Do you mean mdadm RAID specifically vs LVM RAID?
[19:06] <barnex> lordcirth: yes, I'm currently on a painful and misguided setup that's mdadm raid 5 | dm-crypt | lvm. I've set it up a few years ago and wasn't able to migrate from it till now. Finally got enough disk space (2x6TB) to get out and I want something simpler and maybe faster if possible. I got decently lucky and none of the drives failed, so I'm considering something like RAID 0 for the two drives and using one
[19:06] <barnex> or two of my old drives a to backup stuff I can't afford to lose.
[19:06] <lordcirth> barnex, will the rootfs be on this array, or a separate drive?
[19:06] <barnex> And I'm starting to read some stuff about how the 'techonology has advanced' and dunno which solution to pick (eg. https://serverfault.com/questions/217666/what-is-better-lvm-on-raid-or-raid-on-lvm)
[19:07] <barnex> lordcirth: separate drive, this is just for /home
[19:07] <lordcirth> Then I would use ZFS.
[19:07] <lordcirth> Unless you really want to do raid0, which I don't recommend
[19:08] <lordcirth> Alternatively, you could use LVM and have some LVs be raid1, and some raid0, because it lets you do that
[19:10] <barnex> lordcirth: Thank you, that wasn't on my radar at all. Is the setup decently easy in current ubuntu with encryption?
[19:10] <barnex> well, I guess I have to research anyway :-)
[19:11] <lordcirth> barnex, ZFS's native encryption came in ZFS 0.8, which came in Ubuntu 19.10. But you can use it over dmcrypt pretty easily.
[19:20] <wingedrhino> Hi! Does anyone know if https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1396379 is going to be fixed before 20.04 is released?
[19:21] <pragmaticenigma> wingedrhino: all the information you need is right there in the bug report
[19:24] <wingedrhino> pragmaticenigma, you mean if it's unassigned and has no milestone, then the answer is no?
[19:24] <pragmaticenigma> wingedrhino: yup
[19:24] <wingedrhino> yieks
[19:25] <oerheks> i think it is not a bug. uefi partition should be on the first disk, if you have not changed the bootdisk ( not the usb you install from) before install, well, it takes SDA.
[19:25] <sarnold> wingedrhino: can you please comment in the bug if you can reproduce it?
[19:26] <wingedrhino> sarnold, I'll download the 20.04 image and try. I can reproduce it as far as 18.04.
[19:26] <sarnold> wingedrhino: woot, thanks :)
[19:32] <wingedrhino> BTW, is Ubuntu 20.04 sufficiently stable that I can install it on the hard drive and wait it out till the packages all hit their release versions late April?
[19:32] <pragmaticenigma> wingedrhino: No, it is not
[19:34] <sarnold> wingedrhino: I use it daily and there's bits that really annoy me still. how much do you like filing bug reports? :)
[19:37]  * StevenJayCohen needs a 3rd machine to test dailies on
[19:37]  * wingedrhino refurbished a couple of old laptops just before the lockdown happened
[19:37] <pragmaticenigma> please stay on topic StevenJayCohen and wingedrhino
[19:40] <wingedrhino> sarnold, I use Ubuntu Studio with Xfce4 so I'm not even sure how I'd find Ubuntu with Gnome. But since they share the same base packages, it shouldn't hurt to give the nightlies a go...
[19:41] <Eickmeyer> StevenJayCohen: Join me in #ubuntustudio-offopic please. :)
[19:41] <wingedrhino> On that subject, is there a tool the community recommends for creating multi-ISO bootable USB drives?
[19:42] <oerheks> wingedrhino, easy to find, there is just one, not in our repos.
[19:43] <oerheks> pen-drive-linux-wuppie-thingy
[19:47] <wingedrhino> oerheks, this one? https://github.com/mbusb/multibootusb/releases
[19:48] <oerheks> no, https://www.pendrivelinux.com/
[19:48] <oerheks> they claim it works with uefi.. not sure about that
[19:49] <wingedrhino> Ideally I want something that works on BOTH. Got an old Vaio that's BIOS-only.
[19:51] <wingedrhino> oerheks, I think their stuff only works on windows. Site has no Linux links.
[19:51] <pragmaticenigma> wingedrhino, oerheks ... this is in offtopic territory ... please take it to #ubuntu-offtopic
[19:52] <oerheks> no it is on topic.
[19:52] <pragmaticenigma> oerheks: Pendrive linux has nothing to do with Ubuntu... it's not ontopic and you know it
[20:07] <ldsh> Hi, I have an integrated GPU in my Intel CPU and an Nvidia GPU. I wish to use most of time the Intel GPU as main for graphic and the Nvidia for computation, and when I don't use the Nvidia for computation, having the possibility to use the Nvidia one for graphics. Which is the nome of the key concept here I should use in my searches?
[20:09] <sarnold> ldsh: hopefully helpful https://bumblebee-project.org/
[20:15] <ldsh> sarnold, So with bubblebee, by default softwares runs on the IGPU, and if I start a software with "optirun software", it will run on the Nvidia GPU?
[20:20] <sarnold> ldsh: I think that's how it works; though that sounds exhausting. hmm.
[20:22] <ldsh> sarnold, That could fit my needs. Thanks. I don't know why, last time I searched I readded thing where I would need to restart computer for each change, which would not have been comfortable.
[20:22] <ldsh> I'll test it as soon as possible.
[20:22] <ldsh> Thanks all for your help
[20:24] <sarnold> ldsh: ugh, compared to restarts, yes this sounds better :)
[20:27] <ldsh> sarnold, My computer is a desktop I assemble myself, while the Optimus feature looks to be something that can be linked to laptop hardware. It's however not clear for me what would prevent to use the some concept on a desktop.
[20:27] <sarnold> ldsh: oh, hmm, you're rigfht, I've almost nnever heard of this thing on desktop
[20:28] <sarnold> ldsh: have you pked around the arch wiki? they've got nice up to date docs on the craziest of things :) this feels like something they might have converred
[20:29] <ldsh> sarnold, That's a good idea, I even have a side ArchLinux install I could use for tests
[21:05] <jsjfnirc> I'm trying to adapt the Full Disk Encryption Howto 2019 to use Secure Boot for dual-booting Win 10 (encrypted with Veracrypt) and Ubunty Eoan (encrypted with LUKS).  I'm able to install either OS with encryption, but can't get them to install together.  I'm installing and encrypting Win 10 first and then trying to use the Howto to install and encrypt Ubuntu.  I have several questions about the Howto to see if it can be
[21:05] <jsjfnirc> adapted to what I'm trying to do.
[21:08] <jsjfnirc> First, is what I'm trying to do possible?  There's a reference in the Howto to bug #1565950 that suggests it should be possible to use Secure Boot mode with Eoan.  Further down in the Howto it mentions installation alongside other UEFI-capable OSs like Win 10.  Sounds like Secure Boot and dual installation were both on the minds of the authors while the Howto was being written, so hopefully it's not an impossible task.
[21:09] <jsjfnirc> ubottu - That's what the Howto says, but it also says that the problem has been corrected in 19.04.
[21:10] <jsjfnirc> Nevertheless, it was a good comment.  :)
[21:20] <jsjfnirc> I'm hoping to find some suggestions here about what to do at several points in the Howto.  (1) At one point it says that the 2MB bios_boot partition is for BIOS-mode GRUB's core image.  What I'm trying to do with Win 10 and Eoan should be a UEFI-only configuration, what the Howto calls a "GPT + EFI-SP installation".  Is there a need for the bios_boot partition on /dev/sda2 for purely UEFI configurations like mine?
[21:25] <jsjfnirc> The Howto doesn't create partiion 4, to mirror what the Ubuntu Installer would do.  This sounds like a relic of MBR extended partitions.  Since Windows has at least three partitions that need to be preserved after working through the Howto, are there restrictions on the partition numbers for a UEFI-only system?
[21:26] <jsjfnirc> The last post was question (2).  :)
[21:29] <jsjfnirc> (3) What's the impact of "sgdisk --hybrid 1:2:3 $DEV" on pre-existing OSs (Windows or other Linuxes), and is it needed for a UEFI-only configuration?  There's a page at https://www.rodsbooks.com/gdisk/hybrid.html that seems to say that hybrid partitions are not needed for UEFI-based systems, and they come with a lot of baggage.  For UEFI-only systems, what are the downstream effects in the Howto if the sgdisk --hybrid
[21:29] <jsjfnirc> command is skipped?
[21:34] <jsjfnirc> (4) Now that GRUB supports luks2, how could the Howto be changed to accommodate it, and would there be any positive effect on a UEFI-only configuration?
[21:35] <jsjfnirc> Sorry for the long posts, but I've put a lot of effort into this, including a lot of reading, and was hoping someone on the support list could provide some pointers for what to try next.
[21:38] <Mrokii> Hello. For some reason my root-partition is 100% full and I'm not sure why that happened. One idea I had was to look for log-files getting too big (I had that some years ago, which filled the root-partition up). But I'm not sure where to look. Can anybdoy point me in the right direction?
[21:40] <jsjfnirc> Mrokii: logs are typically in /var/log.
[21:42] <sarnold> Mrokii: the ncdu application may help you, once you've freed up enough space to install something new
[21:42] <Mrokii> jsjfnirc: Thanks. Can you tell me if I can delete all files in logs without causing problems?
[21:42] <sarnold> Mrokii: apt-get autoclean may give you a few spare megs quick
[21:43] <Mrokii> sarnold: Unfortunately not. The disk still shows 100% full. I wonder if there's something else going on...
[21:44] <Mrokii> sarnold: Can I just delete all files in /var/logs? That should give me about 800 MB of space.
[21:46] <drleviathan> do perform a search for root directories with lots of data try "du -sh /* 2>/dev/null"
[21:47] <sarnold> Mrokii: don't just delete all of them, instead remove the highest-numbered of the various compressed logs
[21:48] <drleviathan> Mrokii, syslog and other daemons are currently writing to some of those files in /var/log/
[21:55] <Mrokii> Okay, I found that the biggest folder in /var/log/ is "journal". According to the info I found it's safe to delete the files within that. So now I have a least about 600 MB free again.
[21:55] <Mrokii> I'll try ncdu now and see what that tells me.
[21:56] <sarnold> if you never look athe journal output you could remove that directory entirely
[21:56] <sarnold> journald decides whether or not to keep persistent logs based on that directory existing or not
[21:57] <sarnold> no directory, no journal logs from previous boots -- but I haven't got a clue where it stores the 'current boot' journal, heh
[21:59] <Mrokii> sarnold: I deleted those files, which gave me about 700 MB of space. But I'm still puzzled about what filled up my root-folder. It can't be /home as this is on another partition
[21:59] <drleviathan> holy smokes, I've got one file in /var/log/journal from 2018
[22:08] <Mrokii> sarnold: Thanks for the tip regarding ncdu. That helped me finding more junk. :-)
[22:08] <sarnold> nice :D
[22:09] <frad> i want to name 160 files according to the Japanese names I have as a plain text file. How do I proceed?
[22:10] <sarnold> frad: what's the question?
[22:11] <frad> I want a command or an app to do it, to rename the 160 fles according to the 160 names I have in a text file, I don't know how to keep going
[22:12] <drleviathan> write a bash script, then run it
[22:12] <sarnold> frad: does each line have two names? or are the files currently numbered 1, 2, 3, etc and you've got the right names in the text file, one per line??
[22:13] <frad> sarnold, it is simply a fiel with 160 lines, all Japanese text, not numbered, but no empty lines either, meaning the file has 160 lines
[22:13] <frad> one name per line
[22:16] <sarnold> frad: I still don't understand what you're trying to do
[22:17] <sarnold> frad: so, how would you rename *one* file?
[22:17] <frad> sarnold, f2, rename, copy, paste
[22:17] <sarnold> frad: and what exactly are you renaming?
[22:17] <frad> sarnold, anime episodes
[22:18] <sarnold> frad: so I assume you've got like a thousand of them in a directory
[22:18] <sarnold> frad: how do you decide which one to rename?
[22:18] <sarnold> frad: do you pick one of them at random?
[22:18] <frad> no, mkv files are already numbered, sorry if I didnt phrase it clear
[22:19] <sarnold> you know what you want to do but your computer doesn't know and we don't know :) heh
[22:19] <sarnold> so you've got to at least explain it to us wel lenough that we stand a chance of telling you how to tell the computer :)_
[22:21] <Mrokii> Hm.... I'v found some files, directly situated in root that I can't make sense of. All three of them are about 400 to 500 MB big and their file names look like some kind of binary. One if named this: ''$'\b''g'$'\254\212\177\177'
[22:21] <Mrokii> Can anybody tell me what that could be?
[22:22] <frad> in a directory I have 160 numbered mkv files. Simply numbered, but no title (no name, like 'adventure in paradise'). From the internet I downloaded the 160 titles for the 160 episodes, also chronologically ordered. I'd like to know if there is an app or a command to import the 160 file names into thedirectory where all themkv files are. Hope this isclear enough
[22:22] <sarnold> frad: now we're cooking ;) what filenames do you already have?
[22:23] <sarnold> Mrokii: hmm. that's an ominous sign.
[22:23] <jsjfnirc> man ls
[22:23] <frad> sarnold, I haven't renamed any of them
[22:23] <sarnold> frad: but what *are* they? :)
[22:23] <sarnold> 1
[22:23] <sarnold> 2
[22:23] <sarnold> 3
[22:23] <sarnold> ?
[22:24] <frad> oh, '第001話 - ' up to '第160話 - '
[22:24] <Mrokii> sarnold: Ominous? In Which way?
[22:26] <sarnold> Mrokii: well... my mind immediately jumps to the conclusoins that you've got either (a) a hacker who is using your system for something (b) filesystem corruption of some sort
[22:26] <sarnold> frad: so if you run mv '第001話 - ' 'hello'  will this rename the file? that's a *strange* filename..
[22:28] <drleviathan> Mrokii, do an "ls -l" on that strange file.  Are the perms/owner on it also strange/corrupt?  or is it owned by a valid userid?
[22:30] <frad> sarnold, I executed "mv '第001話 - '.mkv 'hello.mkv'" and it renamed the file accordingly
[22:31] <sarnold> aha so there's an extension on there too, alright.
[22:31] <Mrokii> drleviathan: All three files seem to be owned by root, with read and write access. No other permissions are set.
[22:32] <rominnoodlesamur> hello
[22:34] <Mrokii> drleviathan: Two of them have been created just some days ago, but the third was created in september 2019 and hasn#t been accessed since then, as it seems. I tend to think that his may be some kind of file-corruption, as, every few weeks, my system freezes completely, after which I have to use a hardare-reset.
[22:35] <drleviathan> ok Mrokii, so userid = 0 on those files and the perms aren't too strange.  What about... yeah I was going to ask about timestamps.
[22:37] <sarnold> ugh, frad's gone..
[22:37] <rominnoodlesamur> hello, I've been struggling with enabling screen sharing in 18.04LTS. I found this (https://askubuntu.com/questions/1070520/screen-sharing-no-network-selected-for-sharing-problem-in-unity-control-center) on askubuntu but none of the steps resulted in the network area being populated with my wired network connection. any suggestions?
[22:39] <frad> hi sarnold , had to upgrade
[22:40] <sarnold> frad: ana, I'm glad you're back :) I think I've got something that might worka
[22:40] <sarnold> it's still in pieces.. but still
[22:40] <Mrokii> drleviathan, sarnold: I think I'll try to delete the oldes one of these files. I can't imagine that this could damage anything.
[22:41] <drleviathan> probably not.  BTW, have you backed up your important data recently?
[22:42] <Mrokii> Nope, why?
[22:43] <drleviathan> Just gentle humor.  Don't forget to back it up sometime soon.
[22:43] <Mrokii> Ah. :-)
[22:44] <drleviathan> If there is a possibility of filesystem corruption then... backup.
[22:44] <sarnold> Mrokii: what does 'file' say that file is?
[22:44] <Mrokii> I know I *should* do that. But I've never been good with backups and before I can do one I would have to clean up my "spare" HD to make space for it.
[22:44] <sarnold> frad: argh. this just keeps getting harder..
[22:45] <frad> it is a pain that there are no regular expressions...
[22:46] <Mrokii> sarnold: if I do "sudo file ..." it says "g: data"
[22:47] <sarnold> Mrokii: weird.
[22:47] <sarnold> Mrokii: are there any strange processes in ps auxw output?
[22:52] <sarnold> frad: alright, so, this is a bit grosser than I was hoping but I'm just not finding an easy way to give you something small to execute..
[22:52] <sarnold> frad: copy-paste the contents of this thing to a file https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/97RGynYqZg/
[22:52] <sarnold> frad: say you save that into file 'oldnames'
[22:53] <frad> sarnold, a plain text file will do, right?
[22:53] <Mrokii> sarnold: I'm no expert, so I saw some things I don't know anything about, but I didn't see anything that would stand out to me as suspicious.
[22:54] <sarnold> frad: yes
[22:56] <sarnold> frad: and make a copy of your list of new names, eg cp whatever newnames
[22:57] <sarnold> frad: then run sed -i~ "s/^\(.*\)$/'\1'/"  newnames
[22:57] <sarnold> that should just add a ' at the start and end of each of those names
[22:57] <sarnold> frad: then paste -d " " oldnames newnames    will emit 160 lines of 'mv' commands
[22:59] <frad> ok, im going in...
[23:00] <sarnold> frad: if those lines look correct, then we can execute them all..  paste -d " " oldnames newnames | sh
[23:02] <frad> wow, it looks good, but let me make a security copy first sarnold
[23:04] <sarnold> frad: good idea :)
[23:05] <Mrokii> I've deleted these ominous files now and will check root regularly to see if something similar appears.
[23:20] <linusmaximus> 20.04 is decent. No need for tlp on my laptop finally
[23:22] <linusmaximus> Is this place dead or what?
[23:23] <linusmaximus> Used to be full of life
[23:23] <drleviathan> I just downloaded 20.04 today.  Was going to test it on a lesser spare laptop.
[23:24] <frad> Im now working with geany to add an E to position zero in 96 lines. Isn't there any way to do it automatically for the whole 96 lines instead of going one by one? or other app insntead of geany?
[23:24] <linusmaximus> I installed it and got rid of my 19.10 on the other partition. It's so smooth.
[23:24] <frad> I am working with 96 lines in a single plain text file
[23:26] <drleviathan> frad, are you a vim user?  With vim you can edit on a whole column.
[23:26] <frad> never heard of vim
[23:27] <drleviathan> ha!  I had to search for info about geany.
[23:27] <Ben64> if it has a find and replace thing you can probably do it in geany
[23:27] <drleviathan> It is an IDE.  Huh.
[23:28] <frad> lol
[23:29] <linusmaximus> Even gedit does that.
[23:29] <linusmaximus> but it will probably be removed in 3.340
[23:31] <sarnold> yeah, vim's visual block selection mode is freaking awesome. I use it for this kind of problem all the time
[23:32] <drleviathan> Life changing.  Like many other vim features.
[23:35] <sarnold> I want to try this out some day https://github.com/martanne/vis
[23:35] <sarnold> I'm pretty sure I couldn't actually adapt to it, but you never know
[23:43] <frad> i don't believe vim is for me, it looks like a terminal and I simply don't know what instructions to give the app
[23:44] <sarnold> yeah, that's everyone's first dozen or so interactions with vim
[23:45] <lestac> in linux mint have an option to exchange local repositories, ubuntu have same similar?
[23:46] <linusmaximus> yes, in sofftwareand updates
[23:52] <juanonymous> off topic, im not sure if this question can be answered in this channel
[23:52] <juanonymous> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/EChyihj8/IMG_20200408_075113.jpg
[23:52] <leaftype2> juanonymous: there is always #ubuntu-offtopic
[23:52] <juanonymous> oh, ok
[23:52] <leaftype2> what is the question?
[23:53] <juanonymous> on the link i poster, how can a user get that ip?
[23:54] <sarnold> undernet may have a VPN set up, and this person used it
[23:54] <frad> riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight, so how many months did you need to memorize all vim commands, or at least to automatize its use?
[23:54] <juanonymous> im not sure what the purpose of it, i guess anonimity.
[23:56] <sarnold> frad: I've been using vim for ~20 years, and nvi for seven years before that. I've often wondered what percentage of vim's features I use, and I'm not even sure I use 1% of what it has to offer
[23:56] <frad> jesus christ, 20 years??
[23:57] <drleviathan> yeah, vim is not the answer to get your quick edit done frad.  I was just asking if you were familiar.
[23:57] <drleviathan> once you achieve a certain mastery of vim... you have trouble using other editors
[23:58] <drleviathan> but, what you need to do could probably be done with sed
[23:58] <drleviathan> (if you haven't figured out how to solve your problem yet)
[23:58] <frad> drleviathan, I have already done it the old way , one by one
[23:58] <frad> but, for future cases it ould be helpful to use an automated mode, massive renaming lines in a file
[23:59] <drleviathan> right, if the edits are regular... you could pass the file through a suitable sed "substitute"