[08:27] <Groar> how much time does it approximately take to install kubuntu 20.04 beta?
[08:28] <Groar> given the fact I have 3.2ghz, enough ram and average desktop
[08:55] <georgelappies>  is the application store search broken lately?
[08:56] <georgelappies> trying to search for apps in dash or store is just hanging
[10:18] <lotuspsychje> Groar: install speed also depends on ssd or hdd
[10:46] <Groar> hdd
[10:47] <lotuspsychje> Groar: i would say 20-30min for an ubuntu install on hdd
[10:47] <lotuspsychje> for a clean install, an upgrade might take longer
[14:32] <MikeRL> Anyone know of how to get the on screen keyboard to only appear when touching (not clicking or keyboard selecting) a text area?
[14:32] <MikeRL> I think there was a way to do this before, but I forgot.
[14:40] <MikeRL> I'm thinking GNOME needs better keyboard controls. As in popping up only when the touchscreen is touched in a text area. Like Win10 handles it. Ubuntu sadly has issues due to GNOME: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1723857
[14:41] <MikeRL> Issues going the other direction as well.
[14:44] <MikeRL> Have to go. IRC is logged, so hoping someone more knowledgeable than me will consider it.
[17:58] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: if you like there's a 20.04 test team at #ubuntu-quality devs & testers meet
[17:59] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: is that for my xubuntu installer issue?
[18:00] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: just for the info, all flavours are getting discussed there
[21:50] <TJ-> yet again sub-standard Canonical output, despite suggestions and bug reports! the grub-efi-amd64-signed package with the prebuilt GRUB core image (grubx64.efi) is missing the usbhid modules... so impossible to use a Yubikey with it to unlock LUKS!
[22:05] <KjetilK> I just installed the kubuntu 20.04 beta on my brand new Dell XPS 13 9300 (the one with the i7-1065G7 CPU), and after fiddling a bit with BIOS settings, it seemed pretty straightforward, great work, folks! 
[22:06] <KjetilK> Just wondering, for turning on encrypted /home, is https://www.howtogeek.com/116032/how-to-encrypt-your-home-folder-after-installing-ubuntu/ still the canonical [sic! :-) ] way to do it?
[22:13] <TJ-> KjetilK: if that is using ecryptfs then no, that has bit-rot and is deprecated
[22:22] <TJ-> KjetilK: for full-disk encryption I wrote this. I've not documented a per-home encryption using the kernel's 'new' generic file-system encryption since it's not recommended as yet - but ext4 support is pretty mture
[22:22] <KjetilK> TJ-: yeah, it uses ecryptfs, and I had that hunch, yes
[22:23] <KjetilK> for full-disk encryption, do I need to reinstall?
[22:25] <KjetilK> the PC came with windows preinstalled, and even though I haven't used Windows since win95, I figured it doesn't take too much disk space now, so I might as well keep it there, so I did a manual partitioning, and forgot about disk encryption, but I need to do it some way or the other
[22:27] <TJ-> KjetilK: it is possible to shuffle things around without a reinstall but a clean install is better unless you're a wizard :)
[22:27] <KjetilK> right
[22:27] <KjetilK> my wizard status is indeed in question :-)
[22:28] <TJ-> update-manager keeps on crashing on a fresh install. hmmm!
[22:30] <KjetilK> OK, thanks, TJ-, I'll make a clean install after a couple of days at the coast :-)
[22:30] <TJ-> hmmm, forgot to give you the link!
[22:30] <TJ-> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Full_Disk_Encryption_Howto_2019
[22:31] <KjetilK> ah, great
[22:32] <AlexMax> I have a second drive that I want to install Ubuntu LTS on.  Is Ubuntu LTS in a state where I could install it and have it work right now, even if there are some rough edges?
[22:32] <AlexMax> The reason I want to do it now and not when it's finally "released" is that I'm running out of space on my Fedora partition.
[22:41] <TJ-> AlexMax: sure; I've been operating some servers for a few months now. We're past feature freeze and beta freeze so only important bugs will be fixed before erlease day
[22:41] <AlexMax> I intend to use it as a desktop
[22:42] <TJ-> AlexMax: that'll be fine too
[22:57] <AlexMax> Okay, I was a bit worried that perhaps the installation might not be quite as smooth in a beta build
[23:02] <TJ-> AlexMax: well it took me 5 hours tonight... but that is because I have a very custom FDE install method and kept forgetting what I was doing :D
[23:57] <mwhudson> please retweet if any of you are on the twitterz https://twitter.com/mwhudson/status/1248036700850274305