| cmaloney | morning | 13:14 |
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| rick_h_ | howdy | 13:30 |
| cmaloney | We're meeting with the Ann Arbor CHC group tonight: https://www.meetup.com/Ann-Arbor-Coffee-House-Coders/events/268775964/ | 14:00 |
| cmaloney | Trying to get the word out. :) | 14:01 |
| rick_h_ | Nice | 14:17 |
| jrwren | https://legacyos.org/hpe-sets-end-date-for-hobbyist-licenses-for-openvms/ almost like you should put your stock in such things eh? | 14:18 |
| rick_h_ | got it https://twitter.com/mitechie/status/1247891593635348482 | 14:18 |
| cmaloney | rick_h_: Thank you! | 14:36 |
| cmaloney | jrwren: This just reaffirms to me that unless it's an OSI-approved license it's just another rug waiting to be pulled | 14:37 |
| jrwren | yup | 14:37 |
| cmaloney | Also this feels precisely like the wrong sort of folks to poke with license costs | 14:39 |
| cmaloney | I mean, if you're the sort of person who picks up old VAX hardware and runs VMS on it, you're a pretty hardcore fan | 14:39 |
| cmaloney | Also, "student licenses" sound like fun, especially with a 6 month renewal | 14:46 |
| jrwren | yeah, i don't think DEC, Compaq, or HP was ever accused of doing a good job building their user base outside of enterprise. | 14:47 |
| jrwren | you'd think they'd take a clue from MSFT, but nope. | 14:47 |
| cmaloney | Well, it's a separate company from HPE | 14:53 |
| cmaloney | which, I'm sure that was a bunch of former DEC / CompaQ / HP employees creating a company because HPE couldn't be bothered to support the OS | 14:54 |
| cmaloney | But DEC was never cheap when it came to licenses. I remember pricing out the "multi-user license" for a DEC Alpha. | 14:54 |
| cmaloney | $10K in 1990s $$ | 14:54 |
| cmaloney | It was absurd | 14:55 |
| cmaloney | The compiler license for these machines was also absurd | 14:55 |
| jrwren | i mean over the last 25 yrs. | 15:03 |
| jrwren | the last 25 have provided a lot of lessons that whoever owns the IP has chosen to ignore | 15:03 |
| jrwren | sure, and then alpha linux came out, and even windows NT for alpha and those were cheaper. | 15:04 |
| jrwren | and people wonder why windows servers got such traction. That is a huge part of it right there. They were very cheap by comparison | 15:05 |
| cmaloney | Totally | 15:05 |
| cmaloney | I mean, you could say that VMS was never a hobbyist OS | 15:05 |
| cmaloney | and that providing cheap licenses somehow devalues their production OS prices | 15:06 |
| cmaloney | I dunno. It's hard not to feel slightly smug about not having to worry about this. ;) | 15:06 |
| jrwren | yup | 15:09 |
| rick_h_ | cmaloney: wheeeee | 23:37 |
| rick_h_ | cmaloney: do you know any of these folks? | 23:40 |
| * rick_h_ looks up wtf "livecode" is | 23:40 | |
| cmaloney | I know Brian and Paul Vagnozzi | 23:41 |
| cmaloney | they come to the Royal Oak CHC meeting | 23:41 |
| cmaloney | and I've seen a few of the other folks at the meeting (I made it there in Feb 2019) | 23:41 |
| rick_h_ | cool | 23:41 |
| cmaloney | Yeah, definitely some cross-pollination | 23:41 |
| cmaloney | A few folks look familiar from inteviews and what-not, but I'm shit with names | 23:42 |
| rick_h_ | hah yea ok | 23:42 |
| jrwren | i probably know a lot of 'em since I go to AA CHC often enough | 23:47 |
| cmaloney | likely | 23:57 |
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