[13:14] <cmaloney> morning
[13:30] <rick_h_> howdy
[14:00] <cmaloney> We're meeting with the Ann Arbor CHC group tonight: https://www.meetup.com/Ann-Arbor-Coffee-House-Coders/events/268775964/
[14:01] <cmaloney> Trying to get the word out. :)
[14:17] <rick_h_> Nice
[14:18] <jrwren> https://legacyos.org/hpe-sets-end-date-for-hobbyist-licenses-for-openvms/  almost like you should put your stock in such things eh?
[14:18] <rick_h_> got it https://twitter.com/mitechie/status/1247891593635348482
[14:36] <cmaloney> rick_h_: Thank you!
[14:37] <cmaloney> jrwren: This just reaffirms to me that unless it's an OSI-approved license it's just another rug waiting to be pulled
[14:37] <jrwren> yup
[14:39] <cmaloney> Also this feels precisely like the wrong sort of folks to poke with license costs
[14:39] <cmaloney> I mean, if you're the sort of person who picks up old VAX hardware and runs VMS on it, you're a pretty hardcore fan
[14:46] <cmaloney> Also, "student licenses" sound like fun, especially with a 6 month renewal
[14:47] <jrwren> yeah, i don't think DEC, Compaq, or HP was ever accused of doing a good job building their user base outside of enterprise.
[14:47] <jrwren> you'd think they'd take a clue from MSFT, but nope.
[14:53] <cmaloney> Well, it's a separate company from HPE
[14:54] <cmaloney> which, I'm sure that was a bunch of former DEC / CompaQ / HP employees creating a company because HPE couldn't be bothered to support the OS
[14:54] <cmaloney> But DEC was never cheap when it came to licenses. I remember pricing out the "multi-user license" for a DEC Alpha.
[14:54] <cmaloney> $10K in 1990s $$
[14:55] <cmaloney> It was absurd
[14:55] <cmaloney> The compiler license for these machines was also absurd
[15:03] <jrwren> i mean over the last 25 yrs.
[15:03] <jrwren> the last 25 have provided a lot of lessons that whoever owns the IP has chosen to ignore
[15:04] <jrwren> sure, and then alpha linux came out, and even windows NT for alpha and those were cheaper.
[15:05] <jrwren> and people wonder why windows servers got such traction. That is a huge part of it right there. They were very cheap by comparison
[15:05] <cmaloney> Totally
[15:05] <cmaloney> I mean, you could say that VMS was never a hobbyist OS
[15:06] <cmaloney> and that providing cheap licenses somehow devalues their production OS prices
[15:06] <cmaloney> I dunno. It's hard not to feel slightly smug about not having to worry about this. ;)
[15:09] <jrwren> yup
[23:37] <rick_h_> cmaloney:  wheeeee
[23:40] <rick_h_> cmaloney:  do you know any of these folks?
[23:40]  * rick_h_ looks up wtf "livecode" is
[23:41] <cmaloney> I know Brian and Paul Vagnozzi
[23:41] <cmaloney> they come to the Royal Oak CHC meeting
[23:41] <cmaloney> and I've seen a few of the other folks at the meeting (I made it there in Feb 2019)
[23:41] <rick_h_> cool
[23:41] <cmaloney> Yeah, definitely some cross-pollination
[23:42] <cmaloney> A few folks look familiar from inteviews and what-not, but I'm shit with names
[23:42] <rick_h_> hah yea ok
[23:47] <jrwren> i probably know a lot of 'em since I go to AA CHC often enough
[23:57] <cmaloney> likely