[13:14] morning [13:30] howdy [14:00] We're meeting with the Ann Arbor CHC group tonight: https://www.meetup.com/Ann-Arbor-Coffee-House-Coders/events/268775964/ [14:01] Trying to get the word out. :) [14:17] Nice [14:18] https://legacyos.org/hpe-sets-end-date-for-hobbyist-licenses-for-openvms/ almost like you should put your stock in such things eh? [14:18] got it https://twitter.com/mitechie/status/1247891593635348482 [14:36] rick_h_: Thank you! [14:37] jrwren: This just reaffirms to me that unless it's an OSI-approved license it's just another rug waiting to be pulled [14:37] yup [14:39] Also this feels precisely like the wrong sort of folks to poke with license costs [14:39] I mean, if you're the sort of person who picks up old VAX hardware and runs VMS on it, you're a pretty hardcore fan [14:46] Also, "student licenses" sound like fun, especially with a 6 month renewal [14:47] yeah, i don't think DEC, Compaq, or HP was ever accused of doing a good job building their user base outside of enterprise. [14:47] you'd think they'd take a clue from MSFT, but nope. [14:53] Well, it's a separate company from HPE [14:54] which, I'm sure that was a bunch of former DEC / CompaQ / HP employees creating a company because HPE couldn't be bothered to support the OS [14:54] But DEC was never cheap when it came to licenses. I remember pricing out the "multi-user license" for a DEC Alpha. [14:54] $10K in 1990s $$ [14:55] It was absurd [14:55] The compiler license for these machines was also absurd [15:03] i mean over the last 25 yrs. [15:03] the last 25 have provided a lot of lessons that whoever owns the IP has chosen to ignore [15:04] sure, and then alpha linux came out, and even windows NT for alpha and those were cheaper. [15:05] and people wonder why windows servers got such traction. That is a huge part of it right there. They were very cheap by comparison [15:05] Totally [15:05] I mean, you could say that VMS was never a hobbyist OS [15:06] and that providing cheap licenses somehow devalues their production OS prices [15:06] I dunno. It's hard not to feel slightly smug about not having to worry about this. ;) [15:09] yup [23:37] cmaloney: wheeeee [23:40] cmaloney: do you know any of these folks? [23:40] * rick_h_ looks up wtf "livecode" is [23:41] I know Brian and Paul Vagnozzi [23:41] they come to the Royal Oak CHC meeting [23:41] and I've seen a few of the other folks at the meeting (I made it there in Feb 2019) [23:41] cool [23:41] Yeah, definitely some cross-pollination [23:42] A few folks look familiar from inteviews and what-not, but I'm shit with names [23:42] hah yea ok [23:47] i probably know a lot of 'em since I go to AA CHC often enough [23:57] likely