[00:00] <BloatHunter> but here i am looking at a colord profile upload uri for a url that no longer exists, with a shared domain cert for some cringe birth hypnosis stuff
 That's very spontaneous and offtopic :P
[00:00] <BloatHunter> motd-news is actually enabled in one of the core snaps
 Probably
 I don't mean to seem disinterested but I genuinely don't know what useful feedback to give in your monologue
 *to your monologue
 If you spot a bug, feel free to shout though
[00:03] <BloatHunter> i guess i just don't understand
 You don't understand why motd is where it is, why time isn't 12h for Americans, or why Ubuntu has a security team? I'm a bit lost to be frank
[00:05] <BloatHunter> why things are the way they are
[00:06] <BloatHunter> i mean i don't get why people would even leave that much surface of attack by not making things conditional based on whats installed
[00:06] <BloatHunter> i mean jesus, gstreamer still has firewire by default in good plugins
 That's a good question for the security team, not the QA team
 I understand why you're asking the questions you are and they're valid from my minimal investigation but you're in the wrong channel my friend
[00:07] <BloatHunter> honestly i jsut don't want to signup to IRC because its 2020
 Then don't. It's a free country (from what I can tell you're American, and so am I)
[00:13] <BloatHunter30> mumble still has the same bugs as it did in 18.04
[00:15] <BloatHunter30> systemd is creating masks sometimes in directories above where they need to be
[00:17] <BloatHunter30> apt is showing at random it seems nothing or arch tags from mirrors (i386/amd64 double lines or nothing). removing snapd doesn't remove the snap directory. snap remove doesn't support wildcards. snap remove sometimes leaves the dir behind (ie/core18)
[00:18] <BloatHunter30> the nautilus file manager doesn't have a way to enable the terminal plugin visually even though its installed which makes it functionally bloat
[00:22] <BloatHunter> The installer doesn't have a sense of speed priority, instead deferring to hardware or chance regarding default install drive. The obvious choice would be to select NVME over SATA SSD
[04:45] <BloatHunter> Yaru dark theme doesn't apply to gksudo popups
 I have a window+ubuntu dual boot pc.I tired to install Ubuntu Kylin desktop environment on my Ubuntu and now on booting ubuntu I'm struck on this screen. Can anyone help?:
[05:49] <valorie> this channel is about testing
[05:49] <valorie> use #ubuntu or the Kylin channel for user help
 Okay thankyou 😊
[05:50] <valorie> or #ubuntu+1 if this is 20.04 beta
[05:50] <valorie> does sound like a bug, for sure
 Did the older Ubuntu not have the cool new codename logo?
 Like:
 https://cdn.statically.io/img/149366088.v2.pressablecdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/Disco-Dingo.jpg
 https://cdn.statically.io/img/149366088.v2.pressablecdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/19.10-ermine-wallpaper.jpg
 https://cdn.statically.io/img/149366088.v2.pressablecdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/ubuntu-18.10-wallpaper-cuttlefish.jpg
 Is this a new thing?  I was looking back at old code names and say "Ubuntu 15 10 Wily Werewolf"
 Was hoping to see a cool werewolf design....
[06:15] <BloatHunter> tried to add a gpg signed repo, it wouldn't update correctly to see the new packages. put link in /etc/apt/sources.list.d, dl key, apt-key, didn't work. disabling and enabling in synaptic worked
[06:34] <valorie> the design team has been great, lately
[06:34] <valorie> I liked the old ones too
[08:47] <Dr8g0n> Was anyone able to look at / confirm the multitouch thingy? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1872076
[08:56] <Dr8g0n> Filed another report for another issue: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1872177
[09:01] <lotuspsychje> Dr8g0n: ok i confirmed your launcher bug, i can reproduce that
[09:13] <dawnrazor73> regards
[09:14] <lotuspsychje> welcome dawnrazor73
[09:14] <dawnrazor73> Question: Testing 20.04 in a VM now, is it right that there is no shortcut to choose applictions?
[09:15] <lotuspsychje> dawnrazor73: open dash with icons you mean?
[09:15] <dawnrazor73> yes
[09:15] <lotuspsychje> dawnrazor73: super + A
[09:16] <dawnrazor73> works! but no button?
[09:16] <lotuspsychje> dawnrazor73: you can change hotkeys combo in systemsettings
[09:19] <dawnrazor73> It's a little bit confusing, because in first view you see nothing to choose the applications. In 16.04 and 18.04 you allways had a icon therefore...
[09:20] <lotuspsychje> evolution dawnrazor73
[09:21] <lotuspsychje> dawnrazor73: there is an classicmenu-indicator you can install if you want a 'classic' gnome menu with programs in your top panel
[09:22] <dawnrazor73> yes, everthing allright, only wanna shar my impression.
[09:22] <dawnrazor73> e lost
[09:25] <dawnrazor73> vahe to rebbot..., by
[09:26] <Dr8g0n> lotuspsychje - great thanks.... well actually, not so great but still thanks! :D ;)
[09:27] <dawnrazor73> re
[09:28] <dawnrazor73> hi, classicmenue-indicator is installed and set as a favorite, but shows no apllications. This should just be a remark...
[09:30] <dawnrazor73> thx, for the information, sucess and good luck....
[09:30] <dawnrazor73> bye
 i just booted the beta release of lubuntu and i see this:
 is this new
 It is new for this release.
 umm. they added so many new languages:
 i can see a few changes here hopefully the performance is better too:
 theres new bar too:
[14:51] <lotuspsychje> lubuntu is based on lxqt now
 is it just me or the firefox logo is a bit warmer than before:
 ik its based on lxqt
 Hello, can I ask if this channel is just to show bugs or also can be used to make slight changes to the distro?
[14:59] <lotuspsychje> @surveyor3: this channel is for QA 20.04 testing, where devs & testers meet, share bugs
[14:59] <lotuspsychje> @surveyor3: as ubuntu user, you can help the community filing bugs (wishlists) too to improve ubuntu with a good idea
 I can tell 20.04 is slower than 19.10
 It's in a virtual machine so this might be the reason
[15:00] <lotuspsychje> @megatobg: slower where/how ?
 It feels slower than 19.10 on virtual machine
 But I like a few of the changes like bigger progress bar
[15:01] <lotuspsychje> @megatobg: install or overall system smoothness?
 Install
[15:01] <lotuspsychje> yeah install looked slower to me too
 lotuspsychje: to file a wishlist for Xubuntu is the same of filing a bug for Ubuntu?
 Intresting it failed:
[15:03] <lotuspsychje> @surveyor3: to file a bug to any flavour of ubuntu please use: ubuntu-bug packagename (from terminal)
 thank you!
[15:03] <lotuspsychje> @surveyor3: after you filed the bug, you can ask an admin to change it to wishlist
[15:04] <lotuspsychje> @surveyor3: also a good idea is to ask it first here, or in #xubuntu if your wish doesnt exist yet
[15:05] <lotuspsychje> @megatobg: the installer is also a bit slower now, due the built-in integrity checker
 Oh OK
[15:05] <lotuspsychje> @megatobg: if you didnt skip the test, time will increase
[15:06] <lotuspsychje> specialy on a Hdd spinner
 I downloaded the iso yesterday
 I have hdd
 On both of my laptops

[15:07] <lotuspsychje> @megatobg: yeah so, at logo boot, try F1 to textboot, then you will see ctrl+s to skip or not
 Ctrl + c
 It was saying that
[15:07] <lotuspsychje> sorry yeah
 I hope it works this time
[15:08] <lotuspsychje> if you dont skip, it will auto scan media
 I'm thinkink it's because I created /boot partition and maybe that's why
 why kind of enhancement/wishlist were you looking to suggest? (re @surveyor3: lotuspsychje: to file a wishlist for Xubuntu is the same of filing a bug for Ubuntu?)
 @philipz
 Some simple ones, like writing "menu" on the menu alongside the icon or using the shortcut "SUPER" to call the menu. Other more profound and controverse like considering to ditch Ristretto and use EyeOfMate or EyeOfGnome or gThumb. That's because Ristretto lacks on some really really basic features like being able to print the image you are visualizing.
 @philipz
 Some simple ones, like writing "Menu" on the menu alongside the icon or using the shortcut "SUPER" to call the menu. Other more profound and controverse like considering to ditch Ristretto and use EyeOfMate or EyeOfGnome or gThumb. That's because Ristretto lacks on some really really basic features like being able to print the image you are visualizing. (edited)
 Also changing the default grey wallper
 😅
 writing menu next to the menu icon isn't necessary these days, like it used to be. super to call the menu is something repeatedly suggested, but there is a bug in xorg that causes it not to be implemented. i was going to suggest the same of replacing ristretto with gthumb for the same reasons, but ristretto is an xfce component app. the grey wallpaper is only a placeholder while the
 Some simple ones, like writing "Menu" on the menu alongside the icon or using the shortcut "SUPER" to call the menu. Other more profound and controverse like considering to ditch Ristretto and use EyeOfMate or EyeOfGnome or gThumb. That's because Ristretto lacks on some really really basic features like being able to print the image you are visualizing.)
 here is the super key bug - https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7845
 Good, my main problem is especially with Ristretto
 oy. considering streaming UC development. Don't know if it's a video thats 'for kids' or not for 'kids' (YouTube). 🤔
 well i'd suggest you signup for the ML and email your suggestion for the replacement - https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel (re @surveyor3: Good, my main problem is especially with Ristretto)
 i just always put 'not for kids' (re @ItzSwirlz: oy. considering streaming UC development. Don't know if it's a video thats 'for kids' or not for 'kids' (YouTube). 🤔)
 better anyways (re @philipz: i just always put 'not for kids')
 it won't show up on yt kids then
 Not like it's an entertaining audience
 A bit O.T.
 Due to Coronavirus a lot of people are forced to use old, slow Windows laptop. So even though I don't use anymore on my computer Xfce I was looking for a distro simple enough to make it install to them without making many changes. So the Ristretto problem is not that ristretto, wich means little in italian (can't resist to this pun).  Also there are some people here that are sendi
 @surveyor3 yep we have people in the US and Canada donating laptops which Xubuntu gets installed on for kids staying at home, and that definitely is great.
 welcome @PhenoLand @fnaufel
 @philipz Hi! Where can I find a guide for beginner testers? I'm interested in the process of how to test ubuntu.
 you can check the ubuntu announcement here https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/testing-ubuntu-20-04-lts-official-ubuntu-flavors/14053
 sorry thats an older link
 here is the one https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-20-04-testing-week/15043
[18:52] <lotuspsychje> !bug
[18:52] <lotuspsychje> @PhenoLand: see also the bug procedure ^
[18:54] <lotuspsychje> @PhenoLand: its reccomended before filing bugs, to ask or search existing bugs, maybe the volunteers might already file one before you
 sudo apt install spotify not found
[19:02] <lotuspsychje> sudo snap install spotify
 It's available as a Snap. IIRC it can't be distributed in the main repos.
 I might get the Lumina ISO out by tuesday
 im trying to find anyone who has successfully set up an openvpn connection in 20.04 using the network manager? im still trying to ascertain if its a general bug, or unique to my setup
[21:52] <BloatHunter> Did you know gedit has 2000 undo operations by default?
[21:52] <BloatHunter> In 20.04
 I'd like to see the gedit/Kate editors get to be as powerful as VS Code. I'm all for being able to develop and publish using nothing but what the OS came with or what can be installed from the universe only.
[22:10] <BloatHunter> I'd like to see gedit get as powerful as ElementaryOS's editor at this point
[22:10] <BloatHunter> The bar isn't high.
[22:12] <BloatHunter> Gedit settings in 20.04 are infuriating. tab size 8 and not using spaces? Surely that's insane. The graphite default color scheme in 20.04 makes it so you can't even see the highlighted texted line text
 How does gedit compare with Kate? Kate is almost good enough, and I often open App.js files in folders other than the one I'm working on so I don't get confused. Kate zooms on hover on the mini-map, which is really cool and VS Code doesn't do that out of the box.
 Who here is itsfoss2 on Reddit?
[22:13] <BloatHunter> No auto save by default either.
[22:14] <BloatHunter> Kate is better but Qt is bloat by default unless you also run a browser that uses Qt
 I see. I'll have to see how well I can get 20.04 to work on old laptops. I have a Pentium 4 laptop that can't run 64-bit lol. I have an K-18.04-x86 USB plugged into it lol.
[22:17] <BloatHunter> 20.04 is 64bit
 Does anyone here have experience installing from a USB/DVD to a very fast USB 3.0 drive in order to boot around an embedded OS on eMMC? I want to boot my wife's Flex 11 to Ubuntu, but I don't want to touch the stock OS.
 Like I said, the old Dell had to go with 18.04-x86, but it works. (re @ubuntutesting_bot: [irc] <BloatHunter> 20.04 is 64bit)
[22:21] <BloatHunter> The energy usage of a P4 will eclipse the cost of an SBC or used thin client in a matter of months.
 There's absolutely no way around the tabs v spaces thing. Doesn't matter the default because no matter what, people will always choose the "wrong" one.
[22:44] <BloatHunter> there is, have a default with exceptions per language
[22:44] <BloatHunter> you don't want spaced in sh because of <<-
 Right, well the default doesn't particularly matter. It's not going to be consistent for every project/task or even user.
 What sounds sensible in regards to tabs v space for one person won't be the same for someone else. It's a setting that people will need or want to change no matter which is defaulted.
[22:46] <BloatHunter> X is hard, so lets make Y the worst of all possible options
 No, that's not it.
[22:46] <BloatHunter> No, i mean, for sh it is literally against the language conventions and features
 Okay and the assumption that everything done in Gedit is sh, right?
[22:47] <BloatHunter> Start with a breadcrumb before taking on the loaf
[22:47] <BloatHunter> No, but per language highlighting and coloring are already done
 Can we stay on topic, please?
[22:53] <BloatHunter> US timezones should auto trigger 12h clock
[22:54] <Eickmeyer> BloatHunter: This is the second time you've brought that up in the past 24 hours. Have you filed a bug report/feature request yet?
[22:54] <mouloud[m]> Hello, I found a security bug in 18.04, where should I report it?
[22:54] <Eickmeyer> mouloud[m]: Describe the bug, I'll tell you how to report it.
[22:55] <mouloud[m]> It allows to access the desktop of an user without password
[22:56] <Eickmeyer> mouloud[m]: How?
[22:57] <mouloud[m]> I will not tell you how
[22:57] <mouloud[m]> on this channel at least nor in private, I consider that rather a sensitive issue.
[22:57] <Eickmeyer> mouloud[m]: Then how are you going to tell anyone else?
[22:57] <mouloud[m]> Give me an legit email, I will explain
[22:58] <Eickmeyer> I'm not giving out my email randomly.
[22:58] <mouloud[m]> I am not giving hacks randomly
[22:58] <Eickmeyer> Ok. Join #ubuntu-hardened on freenode, that's where the security team is.
[22:58] <BloatHunter> Disable all the login auth options in gsettings from guest /s
[23:05] <BloatHunter> There's a certain irony here in the guy not giving you his email, mou. In order to file the bug you would have to give ubuntu / launchpad your email.
[23:07] <mouloud[m]> I am used to security mailling list with only trusted people in there
[23:07] <mouloud[m]> so far, I did not find such an email on ubuntu website, I filled the contact form, tho.
[23:08] <Eickmeyer> Then why did you come here?
[23:08] <BloatHunter> He's trying to improve the quality?
[23:08] <Eickmeyer> mouloud[m]: This is for testing collaboration.
[23:09] <mouloud[m]> I will test the daily, and report back.
[23:09] <BloatHunter> the other ones require registration...
[23:10] <Eickmeyer> mouloud[m]: Don't report bugs here. You can talk about issues here and where to go to report them, but this is not the place to report bugs.