| lotuspsychje | good morning | 02:04 |
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| ducasse | good morning | 06:31 |
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| lotuspsychje | https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-20-04-and-wsl-1/15291 | 11:12 |
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| pizzaiolo | lotuspsychje is WSL 2 released? | 14:53 |
| lotuspsychje | pizzaiolo: this was the original article: News from phoronix: Watch Out: Microsoft Windows WSL1 Currently Borked With Ubuntu 20.04 <http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=WSL1-Breaking-Ubuntu-20.04> | 15:13 |
| pizzaiolo | ah ok, so you have to be on an insider build to have WSL2 | 15:16 |
| ducasse | i think so, yes | 15:23 |
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| lotuspsychje | welcome Iroshan | 16:23 |
| Iroshan | What's the more quality version of Ubuntu? The regular release or the LTS? I know that the LTS has longer support than the regular release but if I was using the LTS I would be upgrade every two years anyways to the latest LTS. I just want to find out what's the more professional or the version with better quality. The most polished version and the one that's best supported for software development. | 16:23 |
| lotuspsychje | !lts | Iroshan | 16:23 |
| ubot5 | Iroshan: LTS means Long Term Support. LTS versions are supported for 5 years on the desktop and server. The latest LTS version of Ubuntu is !Bionic (Bionic Beaver 18.04). Ubuntu !flavors may have different support durations, check their release notes for information. | 16:23 |
| Iroshan | Great thanks. Eyeing the 20.04 | 16:24 |
| lotuspsychje | Iroshan: you can choose 2 ways, early use 20.04 or await 20.04.1 with more bugs solved | 16:25 |
| Iroshan | Ah great. I don't use Ubuntu atm. It is possible to upgrade from 20.04 to 20.04.1 right? | 16:26 |
| lotuspsychje | Iroshan: when installing 20.04 your system updates will bring you to the point release automaticly | 16:26 |
| Iroshan | Could you explain it a bit more please | 16:27 |
| lotuspsychje | Iroshan: lets start from your needs | 16:28 |
| Jordan_U | Iroshan: If you're connected to the internet during installation then the first software update will actually be performed by the installer, before you even reboot into your newly installed system :) | 16:28 |
| lotuspsychje | Iroshan: do you want to use a stable LTS or always have the latest ubuntu? | 16:28 |
| Iroshan | I want the one with the better quality. Also the one that is better for development. | 16:29 |
| Jordan_U | Iroshan: (I'm now realizing that that's not what lotuspsychje was talking about). | 16:29 |
| lotuspsychje | Iroshan: in your perception, more quality of packages is stable or newer/higher versions to develop? | 16:31 |
| Iroshan | Jordan U: I think, LTS is the one for me. | 16:32 |
| Jordan_U | Iroshan: "Better quality" is not a singular quality. For example, there will be a lot of software that will become more polished with newer releases. Newer versions of Ubuntu will have those newer releases. If you're sticking to an older LTS, you won't. | 16:32 |
| Iroshan | Interesting. What about the stability of the OS? | 16:33 |
| Jordan_U | Iroshan: "Better for development" is similar. If you're wanting the latest framework / libraries / development tools then using an older release may be frustrating for you. You can get those newer tools through ppas / snaps / containers / etc, but doing so may make your system less stable... | 16:34 |
| lotuspsychje | +1 | 16:34 |
| Iroshan | ok | 16:34 |
| Iroshan | I'll think about it more | 16:35 |
| lotuspsychje | Iroshan: depending on your software needs, you could investigate wich snaps are available for you, and combine that with an LTS ubuntu | 16:35 |
| Jordan_U | Iroshan: I do expect that you'll be happiest with an LTS release, but understand that it's unfortunatly not a simple obvious choice. You may find that you'll want to upgrade to a newer non LTS release, you may not. | 16:35 |
| Jordan_U | Iroshan: Right now you're in a pretty lucky place to start, when Ubuntu 12.04 is released it will have fairly recent software and will also be supported for a long time. Also, yes, because Ubuntu devs / Canonical are expecting to support it longer they will probably put more effort into stability and make more conservative choices. | 16:36 |
| Iroshan | Well, the upcoming release is LTS. But I can upgrade to the version after it anyways if I want. So, I think I have to use and see. | 16:37 |
| Iroshan | Also, how stable or reliable are the operating system Upgrades on Ubuntu, particularly when it comes to skipping versions, such as, Upgrading from 18.04 to 19.04 or 20.04 to 21.10? | 16:38 |
| Iroshan | I know that the upgrades between two LTS releases can be done reliably and they are intended to be used like that | 16:38 |
| H3dn1ng | Are snaps faster to start on 20.04? | 16:39 |
| lotuspsychje | Iroshan: with upgrades its always wise to make backups, there's no general statement of how good/bad upgrades go, its more about specific bugs per case that could happen | 16:40 |
| Iroshan | ok. Thank you lotuspsychje. | 16:40 |
| lotuspsychje | H3dn1ng: there was an article on blog ubuntu about snaps loading times improve, but that was already a while ago | 16:41 |
| lotuspsychje | H3dn1ng: i think the speed also depends on the software, how big/heavy/...etc | 16:42 |
| lotuspsychje | a calculator should startup faster then blender for example | 16:43 |
| H3dn1ng | lotuspsychje: Thanks, I'll check. Chrome is REALLY heavy then... | 16:44 |
| H3dn1ng | lotuspsychje: I like snaps for external apps, bot not so much for "core" distro. | 16:45 |
| lotuspsychje | H3dn1ng: you probably mean chromium | 16:45 |
| Iroshan | lotuspsychje, one final question, it's possible to upgrade from Ubuntu 20.04 to the next point release right? | 16:45 |
| H3dn1ng | lotuspsychje: Ur right, I do | 16:46 |
| lotuspsychje | Iroshan: 20.04 to 20.04.1 will update automatic with your system updates | 16:46 |
| Iroshan | ok | 16:46 |
| lotuspsychje | Iroshan: for production use, its adviced to LTS upgrade from one LTS directly to the next LTS point release, example 18.04==>20.04.1 | 16:47 |
| Iroshan | lotuspsychje: What may be the reasons for that? | 16:48 |
| Iroshan | Because of the refinements? | 16:48 |
| lotuspsychje | Iroshan: the idea behind it is to have a stable LTS experience, where more bugs are solved then when 20.04 final released | 16:49 |
| Iroshan | Ok. Cool. | 16:49 |
| lotuspsychje | many users wont wait though, and enjoy 20.04 already :p | 16:49 |
| Iroshan | Haha | 16:49 |
| lotuspsychje | Iroshan: for my business, i combine them, my desktop i choose 18.04 for my test laptop, i debug early 20.04 | 16:52 |
| lotuspsychje | Iroshan: so i have both worlds | 16:52 |
| Iroshan | Cool. I already use Fedora on my laptop. So I don't think I need the Ubuntu latest version for the latest versions of Software. That's why I was more interested on LTS. | 16:53 |
| lotuspsychje | roger | 16:53 |
| lotuspsychje | H3dn1ng: https://ubuntu.com/blog/snap-startup-time-improvements | 16:57 |
| lotuspsychje | from a time ago already | 16:57 |
| H3dn1ng | lotuspsychje: thanks for ur effort. :) | 16:59 |
| lotuspsychje | welcome | 16:59 |
| lotuspsychje | H3dn1ng: also tweaking your overall system can improve speeds of everything | 16:59 |
| lotuspsychje | H3dn1ng: install preload, haveged, tweak startup items, disable unwanted systemd services, bleachbit/stacer clean your system,.. | 17:01 |
| H3dn1ng | lotuspsychje: I got a 9900K and SSD, it shouldn't be this slow to start snaps. I hope it's improved in 20.04. :) | 17:02 |
| lotuspsychje | H3dn1ng: when you say slow, what are we speaking off exactly? | 17:02 |
| H3dn1ng | lotuspsychje: about 4 seconds for chromium | 17:03 |
| lotuspsychje | H3dn1ng: bug #1847069 | 17:05 |
| ubot5 | bug 1847069 in chromium-browser (Ubuntu) "[snap] Chromium snap starts slowly" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1847069 | 17:05 |
| lotuspsychje | H3dn1ng: just tested on 20.04 first launch is bit slow, the next launches are fast 1sec | 17:08 |
| Groar | lotuspsychje: graphic card? | 17:08 |
| lotuspsychje | Mesa Intel UHD Graphics 620 | 17:09 |
| lotuspsychje | page loadings pretty fast too | 17:09 |
| Groar | mmhh, does Intel have any menu for graphics configuration? | 17:09 |
| lotuspsychje | Groar: to config what? | 17:10 |
| H3dn1ng | lotuspsychje: I'm amazed that ubuntu chooses to do this. :( | 17:10 |
| Groar | lotuspsychje: I'll tell you how I fixed that in Ubuntu | 17:10 |
| lotuspsychje | H3dn1ng: do what? | 17:10 |
| Groar | hold on as I take pastes | 17:10 |
| H3dn1ng | lotuspsychje: It's a small thing but I don't get it. Ship a worse experience knowingly... | 17:11 |
| Groar | lotuspsychje: I'll take pastes showing how I fixed that with nvidia, sorry. Hope it works for Intel as well | 17:11 |
| lotuspsychje | H3dn1ng: seems to be working here like a charm.. | 17:12 |
| Groar | lotuspsychje: https://imgur.com/a/XR1CMZU | 17:13 |
| Groar | that's how I fixed some menus working slow with nvidia | 17:13 |
| Groar | shell, effects... | 17:13 |
| lotuspsychje | Groar: nvidia-settings is for nvidia cards and hybrids nvidia/intel | 17:13 |
| lotuspsychje | Groar: my graphics is intel only | 17:13 |
| Groar | Then I have no clue sry :( | 17:14 |
| paulnoise | Hi there, is anyone using UbuntuDDE yet? | 19:48 |
| oerheks | paulnoise, it is not a recognized ubuntu flavor. though i read about it | 20:10 |
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