[02:04] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[06:31] <ducasse> good morning
[11:12] <lotuspsychje> https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-20-04-and-wsl-1/15291
[14:53] <pizzaiolo> lotuspsychje is WSL 2 released?
[15:13] <lotuspsychje> pizzaiolo: this was the original article: News from phoronix: Watch Out: Microsoft Windows WSL1 Currently Borked With Ubuntu 20.04 <http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=WSL1-Breaking-Ubuntu-20.04>
[15:16] <pizzaiolo> ah ok, so you have to be on an insider build to have WSL2
[15:23] <ducasse> i think so, yes
[16:23] <lotuspsychje> welcome Iroshan
[16:23] <Iroshan> What's the more quality version of Ubuntu? The regular release or the LTS? I know that the LTS has longer support than the regular release but if I was using the LTS I would be upgrade every two years anyways to the latest LTS. I just want to find out what's the more professional or the version with better quality. The most polished version and the one that's best supported for software development.
[16:23] <lotuspsychje> !lts | Iroshan
[16:24] <Iroshan> Great thanks. Eyeing the 20.04
[16:25] <lotuspsychje> Iroshan: you can choose 2 ways, early use 20.04 or await 20.04.1 with more bugs solved
[16:26] <Iroshan> Ah great. I don't use Ubuntu atm. It is possible to upgrade from 20.04 to 20.04.1 right?
[16:26] <lotuspsychje> Iroshan: when installing 20.04 your system updates will bring you to the point release automaticly
[16:27] <Iroshan> Could you explain it a bit more please
[16:28] <lotuspsychje> Iroshan: lets start from your needs
[16:28] <Jordan_U> Iroshan: If you're connected to the internet during installation then the first software update will actually be performed by the installer, before you even reboot into your newly installed system :)
[16:28] <lotuspsychje> Iroshan: do you want to use a stable LTS or always have the latest ubuntu?
[16:29] <Iroshan> I want the one with the better quality. Also the one that is better for development.
[16:29] <Jordan_U> Iroshan: (I'm now realizing that that's not what lotuspsychje was talking about).
[16:31] <lotuspsychje> Iroshan: in your perception, more quality of packages is stable or newer/higher versions to develop?
[16:32] <Iroshan> Jordan U: I think, LTS is the one for me.
[16:32] <Jordan_U> Iroshan: "Better quality" is not a singular quality. For example, there will be a lot of software that will become more polished with newer releases. Newer versions of Ubuntu will have those newer releases. If you're sticking to an older LTS, you won't.
[16:33] <Iroshan> Interesting. What about the stability of the OS?
[16:34] <Jordan_U> Iroshan: "Better for development" is similar. If you're wanting the latest framework / libraries / development tools then using an older release may be frustrating for you. You can get those newer tools through ppas / snaps / containers / etc, but doing so may make your system less stable...
[16:34] <lotuspsychje> +1
[16:34] <Iroshan> ok
[16:35] <Iroshan> I'll think about it more
[16:35] <lotuspsychje> Iroshan: depending on your software needs, you could investigate wich snaps are available for you, and combine that with an LTS ubuntu
[16:35] <Jordan_U> Iroshan: I do expect that you'll be happiest with an LTS release, but understand that it's unfortunatly not a simple obvious choice. You may find that you'll want to upgrade to a newer non LTS release, you may not.
[16:36] <Jordan_U> Iroshan: Right now you're in a pretty lucky place to start, when Ubuntu 12.04 is released it will have fairly recent software and will also be supported for a long time. Also, yes, because Ubuntu devs / Canonical are expecting to support it longer they will probably put more effort into stability and make more conservative choices.
[16:37] <Iroshan> Well, the upcoming release is LTS. But I can upgrade to the version after it anyways if I want. So, I think I have to use and see.
[16:38] <Iroshan> Also, how stable or reliable are the operating system Upgrades on Ubuntu, particularly when it comes to skipping versions, such as, Upgrading from 18.04 to 19.04 or 20.04 to 21.10?
[16:38] <Iroshan> I know that the upgrades between two LTS releases can be done reliably and they are intended to be used like that
[16:39] <H3dn1ng> Are snaps faster to start on 20.04?
[16:40] <lotuspsychje> Iroshan: with upgrades its always wise to make backups, there's no general statement of how good/bad upgrades go, its more about specific bugs per case that could happen
[16:40] <Iroshan> ok. Thank you lotuspsychje.
[16:41] <lotuspsychje> H3dn1ng: there was an article on blog ubuntu about snaps loading times improve, but that was already a while ago
[16:42] <lotuspsychje> H3dn1ng: i think the speed also depends on the software, how big/heavy/...etc
[16:43] <lotuspsychje> a calculator should startup faster then blender for example
[16:44] <H3dn1ng> lotuspsychje: Thanks, I'll check. Chrome is REALLY heavy then...
[16:45] <H3dn1ng> lotuspsychje: I like snaps for external apps, bot not so much for "core" distro.
[16:45] <lotuspsychje> H3dn1ng: you probably mean chromium
[16:45] <Iroshan> lotuspsychje, one final question, it's possible to upgrade from Ubuntu 20.04 to the next point release right?
[16:46] <H3dn1ng> lotuspsychje: Ur right, I do
[16:46] <lotuspsychje> Iroshan: 20.04 to 20.04.1 will update automatic with your system updates
[16:46] <Iroshan> ok
[16:47] <lotuspsychje> Iroshan: for production use, its adviced to LTS upgrade from one LTS directly to the next LTS point release, example 18.04==>20.04.1
[16:48] <Iroshan> lotuspsychje: What may be the reasons for that?
[16:48] <Iroshan> Because of the refinements?
[16:49] <lotuspsychje> Iroshan: the idea behind it is to have a stable LTS experience, where more bugs are solved then when 20.04 final released
[16:49] <Iroshan> Ok. Cool.
[16:49] <lotuspsychje> many users wont wait though, and enjoy 20.04 already :p
[16:49] <Iroshan> Haha
[16:52] <lotuspsychje> Iroshan: for my business, i combine them, my desktop i choose 18.04 for my test laptop, i debug early 20.04
[16:52] <lotuspsychje> Iroshan: so i have both worlds
[16:53] <Iroshan> Cool. I already use Fedora on my laptop. So I don't think I need the Ubuntu latest version for the latest versions of Software. That's why I was more interested on LTS.
[16:53] <lotuspsychje> roger
[16:57] <lotuspsychje> H3dn1ng: https://ubuntu.com/blog/snap-startup-time-improvements
[16:57] <lotuspsychje> from a time ago already
[16:59] <H3dn1ng> lotuspsychje: thanks for ur effort. :)
[16:59] <lotuspsychje> welcome
[16:59] <lotuspsychje> H3dn1ng: also tweaking your overall system can improve speeds of everything
[17:01] <lotuspsychje> H3dn1ng: install preload, haveged, tweak startup items, disable unwanted systemd services, bleachbit/stacer clean your system,..
[17:02] <H3dn1ng> lotuspsychje: I got a 9900K and SSD, it shouldn't be this slow to start snaps. I hope it's improved in 20.04. :)
[17:02] <lotuspsychje> H3dn1ng: when you say slow, what are we speaking off exactly?
[17:03] <H3dn1ng> lotuspsychje: about 4 seconds for chromium
[17:05] <lotuspsychje> H3dn1ng: bug #1847069
[17:08] <lotuspsychje> H3dn1ng: just tested on 20.04 first launch is bit slow, the next launches are fast 1sec
[17:08] <Groar> lotuspsychje: graphic card?
[17:09] <lotuspsychje> Mesa Intel UHD Graphics 620
[17:09] <lotuspsychje> page loadings pretty fast too
[17:09] <Groar> mmhh, does Intel have any menu for graphics configuration?
[17:10] <lotuspsychje> Groar: to config what?
[17:10] <H3dn1ng> lotuspsychje: I'm amazed that ubuntu chooses to do this. :(
[17:10] <Groar> lotuspsychje: I'll tell you how I fixed that in Ubuntu
[17:10] <lotuspsychje> H3dn1ng: do what?
[17:10] <Groar> hold on as I take pastes
[17:11] <H3dn1ng> lotuspsychje: It's a small thing but I don't get it. Ship a worse experience knowingly...
[17:11] <Groar> lotuspsychje: I'll take pastes showing how I fixed that with nvidia, sorry. Hope it works for Intel as well
[17:12] <lotuspsychje> H3dn1ng: seems to be working here like a charm..
[17:13] <Groar> lotuspsychje: https://imgur.com/a/XR1CMZU
[17:13] <Groar> that's how I fixed some menus working slow with nvidia
[17:13] <Groar> shell, effects...
[17:13] <lotuspsychje> Groar: nvidia-settings is for nvidia cards and hybrids nvidia/intel
[17:13] <lotuspsychje> Groar: my graphics is intel only
[17:14] <Groar> Then I have no clue sry :(
[19:48] <paulnoise> Hi there, is anyone using UbuntuDDE yet?
[20:10] <oerheks> paulnoise, it is not a recognized ubuntu flavor. though i read about it