[02:04] good morning [06:31] good morning === kostkon_ is now known as kostkon [11:12] https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-20-04-and-wsl-1/15291 === pauljw_18 is now known as pauljw [14:53] lotuspsychje is WSL 2 released? [15:13] pizzaiolo: this was the original article: News from phoronix: Watch Out: Microsoft Windows WSL1 Currently Borked With Ubuntu 20.04 [15:16] ah ok, so you have to be on an insider build to have WSL2 [15:23] i think so, yes === hggdh is now known as hggdh-msft [16:23] welcome Iroshan [16:23] What's the more quality version of Ubuntu? The regular release or the LTS? I know that the LTS has longer support than the regular release but if I was using the LTS I would be upgrade every two years anyways to the latest LTS. I just want to find out what's the more professional or the version with better quality. The most polished version and the one that's best supported for software development. [16:23] !lts | Iroshan [16:23] Iroshan: LTS means Long Term Support. LTS versions are supported for 5 years on the desktop and server. The latest LTS version of Ubuntu is !Bionic (Bionic Beaver 18.04). Ubuntu !flavors may have different support durations, check their release notes for information. [16:24] Great thanks. Eyeing the 20.04 [16:25] Iroshan: you can choose 2 ways, early use 20.04 or await 20.04.1 with more bugs solved [16:26] Ah great. I don't use Ubuntu atm. It is possible to upgrade from 20.04 to 20.04.1 right? [16:26] Iroshan: when installing 20.04 your system updates will bring you to the point release automaticly [16:27] Could you explain it a bit more please [16:28] Iroshan: lets start from your needs [16:28] Iroshan: If you're connected to the internet during installation then the first software update will actually be performed by the installer, before you even reboot into your newly installed system :) [16:28] Iroshan: do you want to use a stable LTS or always have the latest ubuntu? [16:29] I want the one with the better quality. Also the one that is better for development. [16:29] Iroshan: (I'm now realizing that that's not what lotuspsychje was talking about). [16:31] Iroshan: in your perception, more quality of packages is stable or newer/higher versions to develop? [16:32] Jordan U: I think, LTS is the one for me. [16:32] Iroshan: "Better quality" is not a singular quality. For example, there will be a lot of software that will become more polished with newer releases. Newer versions of Ubuntu will have those newer releases. If you're sticking to an older LTS, you won't. [16:33] Interesting. What about the stability of the OS? [16:34] Iroshan: "Better for development" is similar. If you're wanting the latest framework / libraries / development tools then using an older release may be frustrating for you. You can get those newer tools through ppas / snaps / containers / etc, but doing so may make your system less stable... [16:34] +1 [16:34] ok [16:35] I'll think about it more [16:35] Iroshan: depending on your software needs, you could investigate wich snaps are available for you, and combine that with an LTS ubuntu [16:35] Iroshan: I do expect that you'll be happiest with an LTS release, but understand that it's unfortunatly not a simple obvious choice. You may find that you'll want to upgrade to a newer non LTS release, you may not. [16:36] Iroshan: Right now you're in a pretty lucky place to start, when Ubuntu 12.04 is released it will have fairly recent software and will also be supported for a long time. Also, yes, because Ubuntu devs / Canonical are expecting to support it longer they will probably put more effort into stability and make more conservative choices. [16:37] Well, the upcoming release is LTS. But I can upgrade to the version after it anyways if I want. So, I think I have to use and see. [16:38] Also, how stable or reliable are the operating system Upgrades on Ubuntu, particularly when it comes to skipping versions, such as, Upgrading from 18.04 to 19.04 or 20.04 to 21.10? [16:38] I know that the upgrades between two LTS releases can be done reliably and they are intended to be used like that [16:39] Are snaps faster to start on 20.04? [16:40] Iroshan: with upgrades its always wise to make backups, there's no general statement of how good/bad upgrades go, its more about specific bugs per case that could happen [16:40] ok. Thank you lotuspsychje. [16:41] H3dn1ng: there was an article on blog ubuntu about snaps loading times improve, but that was already a while ago [16:42] H3dn1ng: i think the speed also depends on the software, how big/heavy/...etc [16:43] a calculator should startup faster then blender for example [16:44] lotuspsychje: Thanks, I'll check. Chrome is REALLY heavy then... [16:45] lotuspsychje: I like snaps for external apps, bot not so much for "core" distro. [16:45] H3dn1ng: you probably mean chromium [16:45] lotuspsychje, one final question, it's possible to upgrade from Ubuntu 20.04 to the next point release right? [16:46] lotuspsychje: Ur right, I do [16:46] Iroshan: 20.04 to 20.04.1 will update automatic with your system updates [16:46] ok [16:47] Iroshan: for production use, its adviced to LTS upgrade from one LTS directly to the next LTS point release, example 18.04==>20.04.1 [16:48] lotuspsychje: What may be the reasons for that? [16:48] Because of the refinements? [16:49] Iroshan: the idea behind it is to have a stable LTS experience, where more bugs are solved then when 20.04 final released [16:49] Ok. Cool. [16:49] many users wont wait though, and enjoy 20.04 already :p [16:49] Haha [16:52] Iroshan: for my business, i combine them, my desktop i choose 18.04 for my test laptop, i debug early 20.04 [16:52] Iroshan: so i have both worlds [16:53] Cool. I already use Fedora on my laptop. So I don't think I need the Ubuntu latest version for the latest versions of Software. That's why I was more interested on LTS. [16:53] roger [16:57] H3dn1ng: https://ubuntu.com/blog/snap-startup-time-improvements [16:57] from a time ago already [16:59] lotuspsychje: thanks for ur effort. :) [16:59] welcome [16:59] H3dn1ng: also tweaking your overall system can improve speeds of everything [17:01] H3dn1ng: install preload, haveged, tweak startup items, disable unwanted systemd services, bleachbit/stacer clean your system,.. [17:02] lotuspsychje: I got a 9900K and SSD, it shouldn't be this slow to start snaps. I hope it's improved in 20.04. :) [17:02] H3dn1ng: when you say slow, what are we speaking off exactly? [17:03] lotuspsychje: about 4 seconds for chromium [17:05] H3dn1ng: bug #1847069 [17:05] bug 1847069 in chromium-browser (Ubuntu) "[snap] Chromium snap starts slowly" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1847069 [17:08] H3dn1ng: just tested on 20.04 first launch is bit slow, the next launches are fast 1sec [17:08] lotuspsychje: graphic card? [17:09] Mesa Intel UHD Graphics 620 [17:09] page loadings pretty fast too [17:09] mmhh, does Intel have any menu for graphics configuration? [17:10] Groar: to config what? [17:10] lotuspsychje: I'm amazed that ubuntu chooses to do this. :( [17:10] lotuspsychje: I'll tell you how I fixed that in Ubuntu [17:10] H3dn1ng: do what? [17:10] hold on as I take pastes [17:11] lotuspsychje: It's a small thing but I don't get it. Ship a worse experience knowingly... [17:11] lotuspsychje: I'll take pastes showing how I fixed that with nvidia, sorry. Hope it works for Intel as well [17:12] H3dn1ng: seems to be working here like a charm.. [17:13] lotuspsychje: https://imgur.com/a/XR1CMZU [17:13] that's how I fixed some menus working slow with nvidia [17:13] shell, effects... [17:13] Groar: nvidia-settings is for nvidia cards and hybrids nvidia/intel [17:13] Groar: my graphics is intel only [17:14] Then I have no clue sry :( [19:48] Hi there, is anyone using UbuntuDDE yet? [20:10] paulnoise, it is not a recognized ubuntu flavor. though i read about it === pauljw_18 is now known as pauljw === pauljw_18 is now known as pauljw === hggdh-msft is now known as hggdh