[01:34] <handsome_feng> ItzSwirlz: You should drag the 'English (United States)" to the top and click "apply to the whole system"
 Thanks .... Hope to be of help ... (re @philipz: welcome @Aleskrv Rafael Jesús @Yosoyoswi)
 @Yosoyoswi which flavor are you testing and do you need any help?
 At the moment I am testing Lubuntu 20.04 and so far I have seen no major problem.  just an applidogion that I use that seems not to be in the repositories but the matter is not serious. (re @philipz: @Yosoyoswi which flavor are you testing and do you need any help?)
 are you running in a VM or from USB? are you reporting the results of the testcases?
 Thanks  for helping to test, what is the applidogion?  (some python2 and Qt4 apps are no longer available due to EOL of those tools, unless they were ported to python3/Qt5 where most were) (re @Yosoyoswi: At the moment I am testing Lubuntu 20.04 and so far I have seen no major problem.  just an applidogion that I use that seems not to be in the repositories but the matter is not ser
[04:47] <valorie> what is "applidogion"?
[04:47] <valorie> this is the only channel I've ever seen that word
[04:47] <Eickmeyer> Nasty typos are natsty.
[04:47] <valorie> google shows me only "application"
[04:47] <Eickmeyer> FWIW, he fixed it in Telegram.
[04:47] <guiverc> valorie, I typed application as did Yogoyoswi (why i answered on telegram where it reads as application), but yes it's wrong on my liferea too
[04:47] <valorie> Eickmeyer: seems deliberate
[04:47] <guiverc> s/liferea/hexchat
[04:48] <valorie> seen it over and over
[04:49] <housecat> !
[04:49] <housecat> application -> applidogion
[04:49] <housecat> i suspect the bot author is having a laugh
 Something something applidogion
[04:50] <Eickmeyer> YES! It did misspellit!
[04:50] <housecat> what about if you say something like "category"?
[04:50] <Eickmeyer> Bot author is a bot. :')
[04:50] <guiverc> housecat, what you typed appears twice as applidogion on telegram
[04:50] <housecat> oh fun, so it's bi-directional
[04:51]  * Eickmeyer blames @popeydc
[04:51] <guiverc> LOL
[04:51] <Eickmeyer> #BlamePopey
[04:51] <valorie> this is a most strange TG<>IRC bot
[04:51] <Eickmeyer> It's popey's bot!
[04:51]  * guiverc wonders if we'll get help from popey again :)
[04:52] <valorie> the double-echoing has slowed down
[04:52] <housecat> wow, been a while since i've seen "blame popey"
[04:52] <valorie> thank goodness
[04:53] <Eickmeyer> "blame popey" seemed apt in this instance.
 welcome @levisraju
 I installed it on a partition of my hard drive.  I wanted to do a test using it daily.  I've watched some movies using VLC and played with Gameboy Advance emulators.  at the moment I have only noticed slight lag in the reproduction of videos in the VLC of the rest, for now, everything in order.  I will continue testing. (re @philipz: are you running in a VM or from USB? are you re
 @Yosoyoswi happy hunting
 the applidogion is GTK-recordmydesktop.  I have the recordmydesktop GUI.  The applidogion is installed without the graphical interface and can be used without problems through commands in the terminal.  But even though I have gotten different files with the intention of installing the GUI I was not successful.  so I gave up and just used the commands.  although it seems strange to
[05:27] <valorie> gosh
 @philipz 👍
 I usually use virtual box to try new versions of another os and not on my main
 But I do have another laptop which has Linux and windows
 Wait a minute why is my Linux partition also efi this is not Uefi laptop


 Forgot to mention that it has a failing hard drive:
[05:43] <valorie> oh gosh
[05:43] <valorie> those are inexpensive
[05:43] <valorie> to replace
[05:43] <valorie> even SSDs now
 Ik
 But everything is closed and I can’t buy an ssd I could put the hdd from my external hdd in it
 That thing is a seagate rosewood but it still works
 Seagate rosewood were also failing a lot
 Sorry I've never had need to use it so have no experience with it. However https://packages.ubuntu.com/eoan/gtk-recordmydesktop shows it used python2 so fit the dogegory of dropped unless ported to python3 (re @Yosoyoswi: the applidogion is GTK-recordmydesktop.  I have the recordmydesktop GUI.  The applidogion is installed without the graphical interface and can be used without prob
 Well that sucks:
 Shaders?
 Just vanilla minecraft with optifine
 Minecraft is actually playable on this
 It’s also my first laptop for it 7 years
 Almost 2.5 years ago replaced with this:
 I like how my music cuts off and theres a bunch of OpenGL errors:
[05:52] <valorie> dogegory?
 Lol
[05:52] <valorie> is this something with the doge meme?
 I don’t have doge memes
[05:53] <valorie> and again with the applidogion
[05:53] <valorie> sheesh
 I don’t even like most of them
 I like weird memes
 I suppose that will not happen since the last update (according to the official page of the project) was in 2009 so surely the graphical interface will no longer be able to be used in this version of Ubuntu ... 🤷 (re @guiverc: Sorry I've never had need to use it so have no experience with it. However https://packages.ubuntu.com/eoan/gtk-recordmydesktop shows it used python2 so 
 @Yosoyoswi this looks like a bug to me if gtk-recordmydesktop is in conflicts with recordmydesktop:
[05:54] <housecat> valorie: now i wonder whether i show up as housedog
[05:55] <valorie> lol
[05:55]  * valorie pets the cat
 Thanx boss (re @philipz: welcome @levisraju)
 A mí me aparece que no se pueden cumplir con las dependencias... Y que no instalará la aplicación. Intente instalar un paquete .deb y el error es siempre el mismo. (re @philipz: )
 It appears to me that dependencies cannot be met ... And that the applidogion will not install.  Try to install a .deb package and the error is always the same. (edited) (re @philipz: )
 Here’s Linux on this laptop:
 It’s pretty fast on Linux
 @Yosoyoswi python-gtk2 package isnt in the repo

 Some specs
[06:10] <xubunu-testerw9> Hello, I am using and testing the xUbuntu 20.04 release as Exploratory, meaning it is installed on my system as any other distro would be. The computer I have is a Lenovo Flex 14 with a 360 degree hinge. Upon flipping the screen (not sure the exact amount of rotation) the trackpad will stop working. I have not tried an external mouse yet. The
[06:10] <xubunu-testerw9> touchscreen still works as does the keyboard. Flipping back to laptop mode does not fix the problem. Logging out and back in also does not fix it. I have to restart my system to get the track pad to work again. Let me know what information is needed or if this problem could even be an xfce problem..
 Interesting
 I’ve never used a flip laptop thing
 Does that mean that python-gtk2 will no longer be supported by Ubuntu 20.04? (re @philipz: @Yosoyoswi python-gtk2 package isnt in the repo)
 One thing is my main laptop can open it’s screen up to 180 degrees
[06:12] <xubunu-testerw9> I think many can. I think this laptop has the ability to rotate the screen like you would see on a smart phone. I wonder if that has to do with this problem.
 That is the same distro that I installed ... (re @megatobg: )

 Cool (re @Yosoyoswi: That is the same distro that I installed ...)
 @Yosoyoswi not sure what it means. will have to check with the other developers to see
[06:14] <ubuntutestingbot> [telegram] <Rafael Jesús> Thanks for the welcome :) (re @philipz: welcome @Aleskrv Rafael Jesús @Yosoyoswi)
[06:16] <guiverc> xubunu-testerw9, thank you for testing, I cannot help sorry, but I'd suggest filing a bug via `ubuntu-bug`.  Do you get the issue if you use another flavor other than xubuntu/XFCE? (if you've tried)
 That external hdd has lubuntu on it:
 xubuntu-testerw9: you should likely file a  bug

 I understand.  Anyway I have learned to use recordmydesktop by commands and I even made a script with the necessary commands to save time so it is not a serious loss in case the graphical interface is no longer supported. (re @philipz: @Yosoyoswi not sure what it means. will have to check with the other developers to see)
 guiverc: is there a package to file mouse bugs against
[06:17] <xubunu-testerw9> I have not tried. I can try live usb of Ubuntu.
 @Yosoyoswi maybe give simplescreenrecorder a go
[06:18] <xubunu-testerw9> I will file a bug appropriately after testing another distro. Thank you.
 xubuntu-testerw9: yes please do test it against ubuntu first, though i doubt it would be a xubuntu only bug
[06:19] <guiverc> Sorry I don't know, I asked about other 20.04 flavors/ubuntu to see if kernel (where I'd possibly file against), however if it occurs in xubuntu only I'd likely go the xubuntu-desktop (as I don't know sorry @philipz
 I will try other desktop recorders to see how they work.  Simplescreenrecorder has been tested on other distributions but not this one.  I'm going to use it and tell them (re @philipz: @Yosoyoswi maybe give simplescreenrecorder a go)
 i've filed the bug about it https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk-recordmydesktop/+bug/1872406
[06:21] <xubunu-testerw9> Thanks <philipz> it is also my guess that this is not xubuntu strictly. Ok <guiverc> that is valuable information, I will be able to file the bug to a better location.
 @Yosoyoswi it was removed in debian, so removed in ubuntu - https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=943983
 A few days ago I used the latest version of sparky Linux based on debian 9 and the GTK-recordmydesktop applidogion was in synaptic.  Now maybe we have to wait to see if they manage to fix it or if it will no longer appear in Ubuntu from now on ... (re @philipz: @Yosoyoswi it was removed in debian, so removed in ubuntu - https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=943983)
 I can see the new Firefox icon looks warmer than the old one:
 its not coming back as it has been unmaintained or 10 years and using old libraries (re @Yosoyoswi: A few days ago I used the latest version of sparky Linux based on debian 9 and the GTK-recordmydesktop applidogion was in synaptic.  Now maybe we have to wait to see if they manage to fix it or if it will no longer appear in Ubuntu from now on ...)
 very interesting. what machine you running that VM on and what specs did you allodoge to it. (re @megatobg: )


 This laptop has some issues sometimes but it does work
 Virtual machines on this are pretty good
 I love how much faster vms are on Linux unlike windows
 burn the ISO to a USB and try it on real hardware and see how it works
 I probably will test it later
 The last time it failed on this part I think it was because I didn’t setup partitions correctly:
 Done:
[07:07] <xubuntu-testerw9> HI again. I just tested the track pad stopping working issue on 20.04 Ubuntu Beta and the same problem happens. Again, I am on a Lenovo Flex 14. When I flip the screen to 360 tablet mode the track pad stopped working. On Ubuntu 20.04 Beta, a little square icon with and X appears, I guess that means it knows to disable the track pad as it may be
[07:07] <xubuntu-testerw9> sitting on some surface during tablet mode, but it doesn't give it back when flipping the screen back to 90 degrees/laptop mode.
[07:52] <guiverc> xubuntu-testerw9,  I suspected it would occur in other flavors (inc. main Ubuntu), I'd `ubuntu-bug linux` and say you tested it on xubuntu & main ubuntu... it'll report your running system (i assume ubuntu so gnome, why you should mention you had the same response whilst running xubuntu)
[08:16] <kubuntu-tester73> Hello all! I just download kubuntu 20.04 for test it on a virtual machine. I want to say to the developer team they have done a great job for this release and Thank you!
[08:20] <kubuntu-tester73> I would like report something. I selected spanish language on installer but Kubuntu was installed with english language. (i dont know if it has been reported before)
[08:20] <kubuntu-tester73> Thanks
[08:22] <guiverc> kubuntu-tester73, I would suggest filing a bug on your noted language issue, if for no other reason than it'll be easier to track..   do you feel capable of that?
[08:22] <guiverc> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Bugs/Reporting
[08:32] <kubuntu-tester73> Ok I will check it. thanks!
 kubuntu-tester73: you can file it easily with running 'ubuntu-bug ubiquity' from the terminal
 xubuntu-testerw9: once you file the bug, you can paste the url here
 welcome Marco
 Thanks :) (re @ubuntutesting_bot: [irc] <kubuntu-tester73> Hello all! I just download kubuntu 20.04 for test it on a virtual machine. I want to say to the developer team they have done a great job for this release and Thank you!)
 kubuntu-tester73: yes, please report against ubiquity
 Hi all
[10:31] <guiverc> thanks @RikMills
 testing week mentioned on the ubuntu podcast and @wimpress said we made the desktop team cry tears of joy, so lets keep it up - https://youtu.be/fqRMWEnZJjs?t=1153
[11:08] <lotuspsychje> tnx philipz
[11:20] <lotuspsychje> does someone know if the maintainer of xscreensaver still active or not?
[11:20] <lotuspsychje> i have filed a few bugs across different ubuntu versions, that dont get solved
[11:23] <kc2bez> lotuspsychje: It looks like development is still happening. https://www.jwz.org/xscreensaver/changelog.html
[11:23] <lotuspsychje> ok tnx kc2bez i might share some bugs in here about it then
[11:24] <kc2bez> sure, if they still exist in 20.04 they should get looked at.
[12:45] <lotuspsychje> here's one of those xscreensaver bugs i still have: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xscreensaver/+bug/1790110
[15:49] <vadi01> can kubuntu bug reports be given here also?
 Yes (re @ubuntutesting_bot: [irc] <vadi01> can kubuntu bug reports be given here also?)
 Any bug reports
 For pretty much all flavors you can report on launchpad
 Type in Bug #(number) and it will show up
 For example
[16:00] <Eickmeyer> @ItzSwirlz: Save your breath, they're gone.
 Bug #198637
 ? (re @ubuntutesting_bot: [irc] <Eickmeyer> @ItzSwirlz: Save your breath, they're gone.)
[16:01] <Eickmeyer> @ItzSwirlz: They were IRC, and left 2 minutes after posting that.
[16:01] <Eickmeyer> Telegram doesn't show IRC Join/Part messages.
 Oh. Yeah
 PS. Final freeze is on Thursday. Not impossible to get bug fixes in after that, but it is harder, and sometimes less important ones will get put off to be post release ones. So, in short, testing now is just as important as always. Thanks!
[17:07] <lotuspsychje> @Rikmills: thank you!
 np. I've done this many times now, but still a bit scary thinking what might be there not found!
[17:14] <lotuspsychje> @Rikmills: think kubuntu is still pretty popular, and saw a lot of testers too
[17:14] <lotuspsychje> Blueskaj also said things are pretty stable for him
 I know. I know. :D
 Just SRUs are just just a PITA with the paperwork!
 Just SRUs are such a PITA with the paperwork! (edited)
[17:16] <lotuspsychje> think we cant avoid new bugs arise when the masses start using it
 *such a PITA
[17:16] <lotuspsychje> cause everyone has their own needs/packages not everyone tests
 All true.
[17:17] <lotuspsychje> its good you guys created this channel, cause +1 has been not so active last releases..
[17:19] <lotuspsychje> this channel will be used for every new release?
[17:19] <TDO|Denton> I guess so.
 if the bot is misbehaving, I can remove it or file a bug upstream
 I would guess so. Hopefully it does not lose momentum (re @ubuntutesting_bot: [irc] <lotuspsychje> this channel will be used for every new release?)
[17:20] <lotuspsychje> what you guys think to mention it in the !ubuntu+1 factoid ?
[17:21] <lotuspsychje> can only benefit testers and devs meet more?
 if we agree to keep using this for testing weeks, milestone testing etc, then I don't see why not.
[17:26] <lotuspsychje> Focal Fossa is the codename for Ubuntu 20.04 - Support in #ubuntu+1 and #ubuntu-quality
[17:26] <lotuspsychje> what do you think?
 support is perhaps not right?
[17:30] <lotuspsychje> bug testers in #ubuntu-quality ?
 'testing/bug feedback and help in #ubuntu-quality' ?
 it's a bit of both in both really, but the main focus is different
 only bug is its changing 'applidogion' into 'applidogion' for some strange reason (re @popeydc: if the bot is misbehaving, I can remove it or file a bug upstream)
[17:31] <lotuspsychje> Focal Fossa is the codename for Ubuntu 20.04 - Support only in #ubuntu+1 and testing/bug feedback and help in #ubuntu-quality
[17:31] <lotuspsychje> hows that
[17:32] <jphilips> application
  (re @philipz: only bug is its changing 'applidogion' into 'applidogion' for some strange reason)
 Yeah, what WTF?
[17:33]  * housecat barksx
[17:33] <housecat> i kinda assumed it was an april fools joke that's still on 2 weeks later
 @popeydc its fine on the platform it originates from but gets switched when sent to the bridge platform (re @ubuntutesting_bot: [irc] <jphilips> applidogion)
[17:34] <RikMills> lotuspsychje: fine for me, but I am not the boss
[17:34] <lotuspsychje> RikMills: lets try, and see what happens
[17:35] <lotuspsychje> !ubuntu+1 is <reply> Focal Fossa is the codename for Ubuntu 20.04 - Support only in #ubuntu+1 and testing/bug feedback and help in #ubuntu-quality
[17:35] <lotuspsychje> sended
[17:40] <lotuspsychje> i think this channel was a great succes already, testing and sharing bugs over irc and telegram, for all flavours
[17:42] <lotuspsychje> for those who like, we also have a little pre testing bug team in #ubuntu-bug-announce to help the devs out a bit
[17:42] <RikMills> milestone testing for point releases would also be good if we can get that in here. we always struggle to ISO testing done for the LTS point releases via existing channels
[17:45] <lotuspsychje> RikMills: that might be a bit harder indeed, as most users are more interested in new releases then point releases
[17:46] <lotuspsychje> RikMills: but now this channel exists, things can grow right
[17:46] <RikMills> yeah, that is the problem. they are just as important though, as those ISOs become the default ones people get when they want to install the LTS. not only do they add bugfixes, but also usually new HWE stack!
[17:48] <RikMills> I think with help from people like popey etc, we can do more effective calls for testing though. that is half the problem
[17:48] <lotuspsychje> agree its important, and promoting testing weeks is a good idea
[17:50] <lotuspsychje> from wich source do you think most users found #ubuntu-quality ?
[17:50] <RikMills> not a clue. hopefully some that did can say
[17:51] <lotuspsychje> jphilips popey know perhaps?
[17:52] <lotuspsychje> we have discourse, +1, UWN newslettre, twitter,..
 the irc and telegram channel/group was mentioned in all of our announcements, so that definitely brought in users
 the users who appeared on IRC with the username xubuntu-tester* or kubuntu-tester* came from the announcement pages
[17:54] <lotuspsychje> maybe its a good idea to mention #ubuntu-quality in the dev channels flavours topic?
[17:57] <housecat> do the flavors prefer to do flavor-specific bug triaging in here or in their -devel channels?
[17:58]  * housecat vaguely worried about having multiple channels for one thing again
[17:59] <lotuspsychje> well this channel has a promising boost for sure
[18:00] <housecat> indeed
[18:00] <lotuspsychje> philipz told me kubuntu & xubuntu also integrating telegram on their website now
[18:00] <lotuspsychje> and studio on matrix
 yes i presume most would prefer in their own devel channels, as most bugs are flavor specific and more people from the flavor are in their devel channel.
 the good thing about this telegram/irc group is that its flavor agnostic and we are welcoming to people specifically trying to ISO test and bug report. atleast thats what i'm hoping
[18:03] <lotuspsychje> yeah its a nice gathering
 lotuspsychje: i mentioned kubuntu and lubuntu (not xubuntu) already have telegram and bridge them to their irc channels
[18:04] <lotuspsychje> oh right
[18:09] <Eickmeyer> housecat: This channel is more for people who don't want to necessarily join the various teams but want to contribute by testing. It's proving to be invaluable.
[18:10] <housecat> Eickmeyer: yep. I was asking because of the comment about adding it to /topic #foo-devel
[18:10] <Eickmeyer> housecat: Oh yes, agreed. That shouldn't be a thing.
[18:11] <lotuspsychje> i was brainstorming for RikMills idea to get more testers for the point releases
 we should definitely repeat testing weeks regularly for point, regular, and LTS releases
[18:26] <lotuspsychje> is there some wiki out there that describes point release testing?
[18:29] <housecat> !ubuntu+1
[18:29] <RikMills> mostly it is the tests on the qa tracker
[18:29] <lotuspsychje> thank you housecat
[18:30] <RikMills> so that we don't ship dodgy isos
[18:33] <lotuspsychje> RikMills: this one? https://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/
[18:35] <RikMills> lotuspsychje: yes, for example when we had to test the ISOs for 18.04.4 point release: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/410/builds
[18:35] <lotuspsychje> ok great RikMills
[18:35] <RikMills> you can see there that not all flavours managed to get all tests done
 hopefully it will be better the next time with the point release testing. go team \o/
 Ubuntu Cinnamon seems fine
 honestly ive been jumping around
 and I sort of miss the warm embrace of my gnome-feel desktop
 I'll only test in live session now
 Is it possible to enable TOTP based 2FA for our Ubuntu One (OpenID) accounts?

 Trusy goes to Xenial :)
 This is weird...

 definitely. is it attempting to install all those 4.4.0 kernels
 I think it is because on trusty old kernels were never removed. So it pulled all those installed ones because of series change.
 Maybe :)
 you should file that, though there arent any xenial upgrade testcases on the iso tracker
 http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/400/builds
 yup :) i just ctrl-c’ed and removed all those old kernels, except the current one
 so it is better now
 this also could be due to fact that MATE was not an official flavor in Trusty times
 :D
 lets see how the xenial to bionic goes
 there definitely is a testcase for that one
 yup :) it is installing xenial packages now...
 this definitely is one of the main reasons i hate using update manager - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/1834798
 Well now :)

 mate is not taking this very well :/
 is it still running?
 with the cpu at 100%
 yup. I guess it is running all of those mate components wrongly
 as my Xsession is broken
 should have started the upgrade from console
 or at least in screen
 hope you backed up
 did. but apt’s terminal.log looks promising

 It worked! Upgraded to xenial :)
 Now let’s do bionic!

 With pride and bravery! (gui upgrade)
 nice. you using that in UC (re @ItzSwirlz: )
 No just for me (re @philipz: nice. you using that in UC)
 UC wall is already done
 Well now :) :) :)

 what internet site you been messing with
 another reason i hate update manager, looking at various log files eats a CPU core - https://youtu.be/ZglJfB-dXew?t=38

 Success!
 congrats. so when are gonna upgrade to 20.04?
 as soon as it is released
 i only had that kernel issue at beginning and postfix
 i think postfix was installed by smartmontools which is installed by me installing lm-sensors :)
 it took cca 2 hours to go from trusty to bionic, including package downloada
 s
 super nice experience, learn from this, Windows :)
[23:42] <keithzg[m]> @MrkiMike Microsoft is unable to learn from the testers in their own Windows Insider program (multiple times now they've shipped serious bugs flagged there), so if they can't even do that I wouldn't hold my breath for them learning from outside sources ;)
[23:44]  * keithzg[m] meanwhile still can't get SDDM to work on this laptop running 20.04, hrmmm