[00:00] <apb1963> Sven_vB, That last one gives me "apb       3301  2869  0 Mar03 ?        00:01:21 nautilus -n"
[00:01] <apb1963> Sven_vB, I should just be able to kill that one... I don't think I use it other than rare occasions?
[00:02]  * apb1963 waits for more info
[00:02] <AgusLinux> hello there
[00:02] <AgusLinux> I have an issue
[00:03] <AgusLinux> I use audacity, but somewhat don't recognize my mic plugged on console neither my turntable...
[00:06] <apb1963> well killing nautilus didn't clean up the artifact.
[00:31] <Sven_vB> apb1963, those windows seem a bit wide for a "line". maybe a screenshot could help indeed.
[00:46] <f3r70rr35f> hello!
[00:49] <f3r70rr35f> does anybody knows why a fresh mongodb installation might be periodically droppping collections on a ubuntu 18.04 server?
[01:01] <lupulo> f3r70rr35f, ask in mondodb
[02:26] <timyp> So the ubuntu-mate channel is dead I'm just going to ask this here instead if thats ok
[02:27] <timyp> how does one backup any thing I've added to the panels such as application lunches, application menu layout, and all three panel
[02:28] <timyp> I'm sure its in the home folder which I already backup just wanted to know where as my mate panels will just disappear sometimes with no rhyme or reason and setting them up from stretch is a pain
[02:30] <AgusLinux> where can I see about my issue. I have sound, but audacity doesn't recorecognize anything
[02:33] <timyp> AgusLinux so audacity is only application that can't play an audio file?
[02:34] <AgusLinux> Can't record
[02:35] <AgusLinux> Doesn't recognize my plugged mic on console neither my turntable
[02:35] <timyp> oh sorry I was thinking of Audacious
[02:35] <timyp> make and model of your mic?
[02:38] <AgusLinux> doesn't understand timyp about make...
[02:39] <timyp> manufacture of your microphone
[02:39] <AgusLinux> The mic is a behringer super cardioid xm1800s
[02:41] <timyp> do you this mic listed in step 3 here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AudioCapture
[02:42] <timyp> check both System Settings and Audacity sections as outlined in the doc
[02:42] <AgusLinux> Thanks timyp
[02:42] <AgusLinux> I'll see
[03:05] <RocketKittens> whats the best irc client for ubuntu?
[03:08] <housecat> Depends on your preferences, and #ubuntu isn't really a poll channel. That said: hexchat for GUI, weechat for command-line.
[03:10] <RocketKittens> thank you
[03:22] <MarkB2> I'm trying to debug an application and, in a very simple Makefile, turned on the -g switch for gcc.  I get a successful link... but when trying to debug the program I get a large number of CRC mismatch errors.
[03:24] <MarkB2> for example: "libcrypto.so.1.1.debug does not match libcrypto.so.1.1"
[03:24] <MarkB2> "(CRC mismatch)"
[03:31] <MarkB2> I hadn't ever seen this behavior before... but it looks like adding '-g' appends a ".debug' to the name of the libraries loaded by the application.
[03:32] <MarkB2> The linker is complaining about a crc mismatch between the .debug and non-.debug libraries.
[03:36] <MarkB2> Now that I've let that bit of information percolate in my head... I'm not expecting to debug the libraries that the linker pulled in so I ..might.. think it was safe to ignore the warnings.
[03:40] <ericrajuin> hello
[03:40] <ericrajuin> is this the place for asking questions about linux ?
[03:51] <tomreyn> ericrajuin: no, ##linux would be. *this* (#ubuntu) is a place for asking support questions about ubuntu linux.
[04:01] <maum> hello
[04:01] <maum> hello Is there a way to set usb boot without legacy bios? there is no option for usb in bios
[04:03] <dldmn> !isitout
[04:03] <tomreyn> maum: "without legacy bios", so it's uefi?
[04:04] <tomreyn> i'm pretty sure most if not all uefi implementations support usb booting
[04:04] <maum> not uefi
[04:05] <tomreyn> then i don't know what you're trying to do, i guess, and may need a better explanation.
[04:06] <maum> the windows has broken
[04:06] <maum> I need to recover it
[04:06] <maum> there is no cd for os
[04:07] <maum> and I have only choice usb
[04:08] <maum> I installed plop util but while I was installing ubuntu. it has broken so I need to set usb boot. but the bios has no option for usb
[04:09] <tomreyn> woeusb is a third party software for ubuntu (and other linux distros) which can write a windows installer ISO image to a USB stick so that it is bootable.
[04:12] <maum> even though I make ubuntu or windows iso bootable usb, I cannot boot from usb because bios doesn't support it
[04:14] <tomreyn> which hardware is this?
[04:15] <maum> the spec is sony vaio vgn-fj75l
[04:18] <tomreyn> maum: see if you can find some documentation on how to boot off usb here https://www.sony.co.kr/electronics/support/laptop-pc-vgn-series/vgn-fj75l
[04:18] <tomreyn> (or how to restore the pre-installed OS)
[04:18] <maum> the recovery partition also broken
[04:32] <tomreyn> maum: On boot priority section enable "external boot".
[04:32] <maum> I tried it but it is not working
[04:33] <tomreyn> "external boot" also needs to be before the hdd in the boot priority list
[04:34] <maum> ithe external device was set to enable
[04:57] <halcyforn> uhhh this wifi card is nightmare
[04:58] <halcyforn> can someone tell me what version of file i shuld take from debian repo https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=firmware-b43legacy-installer
[05:01] <tomreyn> halcyforn: none if you run ubuntu, which this channel is about.
[05:03] <halcyforn> then how i can take from the wizzard chat legacy version of driver to my broadcom all instructions what i found for ubuntu and mints dont work, probably because this is revision 2 chip, only in debian wiki say i need legacy version of driver thats why i ask i dont found legacy package for ubuntu
[05:05] <tomreyn> which ubuntu version are you running, what's the output for      lspci -knn | grep -EA3 '(Network|Ethernet) controller' | nc termbin.com 9999
[05:07] <halcyforn> https://termbin.com/uqvf for now lubuntu 19.10
[05:07] <halcyforn> yesterday intalled
[05:07] <halcyforn> 4th distro what cant run this wifi card
[05:08] <tomreyn> and the conclusion of that is?
[05:09] <halcyforn> nopthing this laptop must work no other options
[05:10] <tomreyn> did you try installing the driver using "ubuntu-driver", yet?
[05:10] <halcyforn> yes
[05:10] <tomreyn> and then what happened?
[05:10] <halcyforn> nothing
[05:11] <halcyforn> wi fi dont work
[05:11] <halcyforn> try methotds with purge drivers the same
[05:11] <halcyforn> thats why i think try use debian driver
[05:11] <tomreyn> what's the output of     ubuntu-drivers devices
[05:12] <tomreyn> and what's the output of     ubuntu-drivers list
[05:12] <tomreyn> !paste | halcyforn
[05:12] <tomreyn> termbin is also fine
[05:14] <halcyforn> https://pastebin.com/LP3pTtjy
[05:15] <halcyforn> this driver dont work anyway
[05:16] <ash_worksi> is there an improved `tree` command which lets me ignore subdirectories instead of entire directories (ideally by pattern; similar to gnu `find`'s `-path` option)?
[05:16] <ash_worksi> or perhaps it's possible to do this with the standard `tree` command, but idk how
[05:17] <ash_worksi> it'd be nice to list the directories I'm ignoring, just not their contents
[05:20] <tomreyn> halcyforn: i would install the driver using "sudo ubuntu-drivers install" then disable the other driver using "sudo modprobe -r b43 ssb wl brcmfmac brcmsmac bcma" and enable the wl one using "sudo modprobe wl"
[05:22] <tomreyn> halcyforn: the reason this can be difficult to get working is bad vendor support for linux.
[05:23] <tomreyn> for broadcom, for this (and a lot of other) chipset.
[05:23] <tomreyn> *by broadcom
[05:23] <halcyforn> last time when i have problem with broadcom i have second destroyed laptop an swap wi fi cards
[05:23] <halcyforn> now i dont have
[05:24] <halcyforn> but only debian say for rev 02 i need legacy driver
[05:25] <halcyforn> ok done your instructions now restart ?
[05:26] <tomreyn> there wouldn't be a need to restart, no
[05:26] <halcyforn> then still dont work
[05:26] <tomreyn> does this now show that the BCM4312 is using the wl module?    lspci -knn | grep -EA3 '(Network|Ethernet) controller' | nc termbin.com 9999
[05:27] <tomreyn> ahem actually it was also saying so earlier.
[05:28] <halcyforn> https://termbin.com/cea7
[05:29] <tomreyn> rfkill | nc termbin.com 9999
[05:30] <halcyforn> https://termbin.com/t987
[05:31] <tomreyn> halcyforn: rfkill unblock all
[05:32] <tomreyn> oopsie
[05:34] <halcyforn> https://termbin.com/n2w1
[05:34] <tomreyn> halcyforn: actually this thing is blocked by a hardware switch apparently. could also be a bios setting.
[05:35] <halcyforn> ok i look now
[05:35] <tomreyn> or maybe it should be this way, i'm not really sure, i'm afraid.
[05:35] <halcyforn> ok i back for moment
[05:35] <tomreyn> if you look at https://termbin.com/t987 there's the "hp-wifi" device which is hard blocked, but there's also the "brcmwl-0" which is not blocked
[05:36] <tomreyn> ideally you'd only have the latter, but i've seen this before, it seems to be common on HP
[05:41] <halcyforn> ok
[05:41] <halcyforn> bios have no options
[05:45] <halcyforn> tomreyn on few forums repair was change driver from bcm because errors in kernels before 3.19
[05:45] <tomreyn> you're not running a kernel before 3.19, though
[05:47] <halcyforn> yeach but maybe this error was not fixed, there was write he hope they fix it in kernel 3.19
[05:48] <halcyforn> anyway if i remember linux kernel have some cleanings after intel hack procesor thing
[05:48] <Jordan_U> halcyforn: What model laptop do you have?
[05:48] <tomreyn> you should ignore anything not referring to kernel 5.x and to different ubuntu versions while looking for a solution for this
[05:49] <halcyforn> hp pavilion 9500 athlon x2 1,8 ghz geoforce 7150m, 2 gb ram 120 gb hdd
[06:02] <halcyforn> hmm
[06:03] <halcyforn> ubuntu have legacy drivers for nvidia ? maybe i must install better drtivers for chipset to enable this wifi card
[06:09] <halcyforn> uhhh what now this laptop must work. and this who use itd dont have wire connection
[06:14] <tomreyn> you can always buy a separate usb connected wifi device
[06:26] <halcyforn> uhhh
[06:30] <halcyforn> ok can you tell me how should look instalation and enable driwer ndiswrapper
[06:41] <Jordan_U> halcyforn: Do not. Do not use ndiswrapper. Seriously, just don't.
[06:42] <halcyforn> what else left ?
[06:42] <halcyforn> this thing have xp drivers
[06:43] <halcyforn> and linux drivers dont work
[06:44] <Jordan_U> halcyforn: Look at page 14 of this PDF: http://www.hp.com/ctg/Manual/c01951704.pdf it shows you where the wireless disabling switch is on your laptop (labeled with the number 4).
[06:45] <halcyforn> yep is on
[06:46] <halcyforn> blue light
[06:46] <halcyforn> the same was on windows
[06:46] <halcyforn> if is orange/red wifi is off
[06:47] <halcyforn> before i install linux on windows everything work
[06:47] <halcyforn> in this switch setting
[06:47] <TJ-> halcyforn: You're still having problems with the Broadcom b43 wifi ?
[06:48] <halcyforn> yes
[06:49] <halcyforn> thats why i think about use ndiswrapper
[06:56] <Jordan_U> halcyforn: Do you still have Windows installed? Does the wireless card still work there?
[06:57] <halcyforn> i dont have
[06:57] <halcyforn> i must delete windows to install linux 120 gb hdd
[06:57] <halcyforn> and vista ultimate 64 bit ate 80 % ram
[07:00] <halcyforn> but this card work normal before install linux
[07:00] <halcyforn> maybe is lock this was buisness laptop
[07:01] <Jordan_U> halcyforn: Please run "rfkill | nc termbin.com 9999" to pastebin the output of rfkill, *then* switch the wifi kill switch to the off position, then run "rfkill | nc termbin.com 9999" again to pastebin the new output, then switch the wifi switch back on, then run "rfkill | nc termbin.com 9999" a third time. Post all three termbin links for us to view.
[07:05] <halcyforn> https://termbin.com/el2z    https://termbin.com/g5f4    https://termbin.com/6o7lo
[07:09] <Jordan_U> halcyforn: "lsmod | nc termbin.com 9999"
[07:10] <halcyforn> https://termbin.com/fkp1
[07:14] <Jordan_U> halcyforn: Does the wireless light change at all when you change the switch?
[07:15] <halcyforn> nope
[07:15] <halcyforn> on mx liux he change color
[07:15] <halcyforn> on lubuntu no
[07:17] <halcyforn> dont tell me i must opent this nightmare laptop
[07:17] <Jordan_U> halcyforn: sudo modprobe -r hp-wmi && sudo modprobe hp-wmi
[07:19] <Jordan_U> halcyforn: Does running that get your wifi working?
[07:19] <halcyforn> hmm option for wifi is disabled now i cant click it
[07:20] <halcyforn> its gray
[07:22] <Jordan_U> halcyforn: A reboot will get you back to where you were, for whatever that's worth. I'm stumped for today :(
[07:23] <Jordan_U> halcyforn: It would be interesting to see the output of "lsmod" from a working mx linux system (even a LiveUSB) to compare to lsmod from Ubuntu.
[07:24] <lotuspsychje> halcyforn: did we see your dmesg in a paste yet?
[07:26] <henstepl> Hello
[07:27] <henstepl> I can install a SQUID proxy but is there any easy way to get a hidemyass-like interface? Just navigate there in my web browser and log in?
[07:29] <halcyforn> ok back to normal
[07:29] <halcyforn> now can you tell me whatswrong if i want use this wrapper
[07:30] <ducasse> henstepl: squid does not come with a web interface afaik
[07:30] <henstepl> does a different one come to mind? i'm not sure what i would google
[07:31] <ducasse> you need to edit the config file in a text editor
[07:33] <henstepl> No, I mean something like hidemyass dot com. Where you kinda bypass the usual proxy setup stuff
[07:33] <henstepl> And just kinda click here to hide my ass
[07:34] <melkor> I'm having some issues with my sounds. When I use the headphones it comes out garbled and broken. If I check out the settings the test sounds work perfectly.
[07:34] <halcyforn> is possible to get full log from this operation  "rfkill unblock all"
[07:38] <henstepl> I found a relevant page, thanks for assistance
[08:11] <lotuspsychje> !details | melkor
[08:11] <lotuspsychje> !details | melkor
[08:16] <melkor> My audio, when played through headphones is garbled. Without headphones it works fine.
[08:16] <melkor> Here is the output from pacmd list-sinks
[08:17] <melkor> https://bpaste.net/HMQQ
[08:18] <lotuspsychje> melkor: whats your ubuntu version and kernel version please?
[08:19] <melkor> 4.15.0-96-generic and ubuntu 18.04
[08:20] <halcyforn> ok how to change drivers for wifi, i swap card to atheros
[08:20] <halcyforn> "azurewire"
[08:20] <lotuspsychje> halcyforn: please pastebin your dmesg
[08:22] <lotuspsychje> melkor: since when did your audio became disformed, did it work before?
[08:22] <halcyforn> https://termbin.com/ulu6
[08:23] <melkor> lotuspsychje: I don't know, I don't use this computer often. Plus it only happens with headphones, the normal audio seems fine.
[08:23] <lotuspsychje> halcyforn: wich ubuntu version are you on please?
[08:23] <halcyforn> lubuntu 19.10
[08:24] <lotuspsychje> halcyforn: your kernel version doesnt seem to match 19.10, is your system up to date?
[08:25] <halcyforn> nope just instaled from live usb stick yesterday downloaded
[08:25] <lotuspsychje> melkor: can you create a new user, and test headphones from there please?
[08:25] <halcyforn> or maybe is older kernel because this is old laptop
[08:26] <lotuspsychje> halcyforn: we would apreciate it, when asking ubuntu issues into the channel you update system first
[08:26] <TJ-> halcyforn: did you insert a USB network device? I see " rndis_host 1-1:1.0 enp0s2f1u1: renamed from usb0 "
[08:26] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: that's not exactly helpful when the system in question has no network!
[08:26] <halcyforn> phone is my network now
[08:27] <lotuspsychje> halcyforn: do you have a network cable to update your ssytem?
[08:28] <halcyforn> nope i sit in empty rooms on 14 days quarantine
[08:28] <halcyforn> internet is only my phone
[08:29] <halcyforn> ok i update system
[08:29] <lotuspsychje> halcyforn: did you try to install the broadcom drivers from your usb stick /pool dir?
[08:29] <halcyforn> now i dontr have broadcom
[08:29] <lotuspsychje> right
[08:29] <halcyforn> \i swap wi fi card
[08:30] <halcyforn> from another laptop
[08:31] <halcyforn> ok update start
[08:31] <lotuspsychje> !uptodate | halcyforn
[08:32] <halcyforn> i run muon to update
[08:32] <lotuspsychje> ok great halcyforn
[08:38] <melkor> lotuspsychje: Same issue with a new user.
[08:38] <lotuspsychje> ok tnx for testing melkor
[08:39] <lotuspsychje> melkor: did you try another headphone, or test the same headphone in another device to test?
[08:39] <melkor> Two sets of headphones.
[08:40] <lotuspsychje> both scrambled?
[08:40] <melkor> The head phones work in other devices.
[08:40] <lotuspsychje> ok
[08:40] <lotuspsychje> melkor: can you pastebin your dmesg please
[08:46] <melkor> http://orangepalantir.org/files/dmesg-out.txt
[08:47] <lotuspsychje> macbook interesting
[08:47] <melkor> Yeah, they're a bit riddle with issues I find.
[08:47] <melkor> Whenever it wakes from suspend I'm pretty stoked.
[08:51] <lotuspsychje> melkor: pastebin: sudo lshw -C video && sudo lshw -C sound please
[08:55] <melkor> https://bpaste.net/SN3Q
[08:56] <lotuspsychje> melkor: nvidia-smi to see wich nvidia driver version is active please?
[08:58] <melkor> NVIDIA-SMI 390.116
[08:58] <lotuspsychje> melkor: ok that looks good
[08:59] <lotuspsychje> melkor: i have a few ideas you could test, is trying your headphone from a liveusb 18.04 with kernel 5.3 as a test to rule out its a kernel issue
[08:59] <Rumen> hello friends
[08:59] <Rumen> hope all well with everyone
[09:00] <halcyforn> ok updated and restarted
[09:00] <lotuspsychje> melkor: if thats the case, you could install the HWE kernel for bionic
[09:01] <lotuspsychje> melkor: another idea is try an nvidia driver version switch, to see if it influences
[09:01] <Rumen> folks can I ask something? before there was in thunderbird plugin called clamav and the plugin checked the incoming mails for viruses
[09:01] <lotuspsychje> melkor: other issues in your dmesg i saw are acpi issues and thunderbolt issues
[09:01] <Rumen> now there is no such plugin for the new veersions
[09:02] <Rumen> but I get 60-70 mails / day and I can say that 20-25% are scam, fake, adds, malwares and viruses
[09:02] <halcyforn> ok how to instal setup this new wifi card
[09:02] <Rumen> is there antivirus program for thunderbird or no?
[09:03] <lotuspsychje> halcyforn: pastebin: sudo lshw -C network && uname -a
[09:07] <halcyforn> https://pastebin.com/bx7ahgqd
[09:08] <lotuspsychje> halcyforn: ok kernel version is good now, but i only see your ethernetcard, no wifi inside at the moment?
[09:09] <halcyforn> is mounted
[09:09] <halcyforn> dont tell me this laptop have locked components in bios ........
[09:10] <halcyforn> or dont support this wifi card
[09:12] <lotuspsychje> halcyforn: wich wifi chipset is this?
[09:16] <halcyforn> azurewire
[09:16] <halcyforn> ar5b95
[09:17] <lotuspsychje> halcyforn: usb dongle? pci card?
[09:17] <halcyforn> pci card
[09:17] <halcyforn> this is from old asus with linux
[09:17] <lotuspsychje> halcyforn: pastebin your new dmesg please
[09:19] <halcyforn> https://termbin.com/4c01
[09:24] <lotuspsychje> halcyforn: i see a lot of PCI stuff in your dmesg, i wonder if its related to your card not recognized...
[09:24] <lotuspsychje> maybe TJ- can see something in dmesg^
[09:25] <lotuspsychje> halcyforn: checking HP website to see if they have newer bios versions could maybe help
[09:25] <halcyforn> i think here is worst scenario, bios have locked components an only the same can be installed.
[09:26] <halcyforn> hp dont have even drivers now for this laptop
[09:26] <danjjl> Hello, I just upgraded to Ubuntu 20.04 (clean install) and am since experiencing network issues.
[09:26] <danjjl> Is this the place to ask a question?
[09:26] <lotuspsychje> halcyforn: another idea could be setting your bios to defaults again, see if that helps
[09:26] <lotuspsychje> danjjl: #ubuntu+1 for 20.04 issues please
[09:27] <halcyforn> lotus bios only can set time and password + boot order nothing more
[09:27] <TJ-> halcyforn: lotuspsychje  I see several USB device errors; halcyforn can you pastebin "lspci -nn"
[09:27] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: halcyforn said he plugged an atheros device pci card
[09:28] <TJ-> halcyforn: you may be correct that HP have a 'whitelist' of allowed PCI devices... HP has become worse than Microsoft/Apple/Google in trying to prevent owners doing what they choose with their own devices
[09:28] <halcyforn> https://termbin.com/gdpb
[09:28] <halcyforn> yeach if nothiong work i try unlock bios
[09:29] <halcyforn> there must be hidden key combination
[09:29] <TJ-> halcyforn: no sign there; only the Ethernet port at "00:0a.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: NVIDIA Corporation MCP67 Ethernet [10de:054c] (rev a2)"
[09:30] <halcyforn> ok i move this card to second port and try
[09:30] <halcyforn> first bios
[09:39] <Hamilton> Why apt sometime asks for confirmation of install and sometimes does so without it? (no -y switch)
[09:41] <TJ-> Hamilton: it asks when it needs to install packages (dependencies of packages you ask for) not listed on the command line
[09:42] <ldsh> Hi, in order to have the motherboard sensors correctly loaded (I like to know how my fans run), I need to load 0x8628 from it87. If I use "modprobe it87 force_id=0x8628", then it works. is the "force_id=0x8628" required, or I could just load it87? (is there an advantage of one of the two methods?) And why is it87 backlisted in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-watchdog.conf? Which is the best way to unbacklist it? (uncomment in the file?)
[09:42] <ldsh> Are there any risk with unbacklisting it?
[09:42] <Hamilton> TJ-, ah so if sudo apt install xyz, and there is only a single xyz binary no dep, it doesn't ask
[09:44] <halcyforn> ok
[09:44] <halcyforn> whitelisted components .........
[09:46] <halcyforn> only what left is run awake this broadcom
[09:47] <lesshaste> how do I tell which printer driver I am using (ubuntu 16.04)? printing is reeeeeally slow currently
[09:47] <lesshaste> I should be using 1.00.36 (driver2) apparently according to https://www.bchemnet.com/suldr/supported.html
[09:48] <TJ-> lesshaste: use the CUPS web admin interface at http://localhost:631/  see Administration/Manage Printers
[09:49] <halcyforn> hmmm
[09:49] <halcyforn> ok start download another linux
[09:53] <ldsh> sarnold, Hi, I found a way for my graphic cards (IGPU and dedicated). I forgot to check that the IGPU was not activated in bios after last update. After activating it, and updating the nvidia driver, I have an automatic mode which allows me to use the IGPU for display and the GPU for computing. Works fine for my use :).
[09:55] <vitalio> @TJ- Wow, nice trick with CUPS web qdmin. Is there a config to disable this web interface?
[09:55] <lotuspsychje> ldsh: tnx for your feedback, we will pass the message to sarnold
[09:56] <TJ-> vitalio: /etc/cups/cupsd.conf
[09:57] <vitalio> @TJ- tnx
[09:58] <ldsh> lotuspsychje, Thanks, I just saw he was marked as "away". So at the end I'm simply using prime. I also plugged the screens in the motherboard instead of the Graphic card, I don't exactly know if mandatory
[10:03] <lesshaste> TJ-,  that's great but I can't see where you can tell which printer driver it is using
[10:04] <lesshaste> TJ-,  It says Driver:	Samsung M283x Series PXL (grayscale, 2-sided printing)
[10:04] <lesshaste> but that isn't telling me much is it?
[10:05] <Aryan> .
[10:06] <TJ-> lesshaste: in the Administration section the Manage option reports such thinhs I think
[10:12] <frechdachs69> does anyone know whether the 20.04 netboot installation is going to support the new autoinstall mechanism, too?
[10:26] <snowdin> I have a bit of spare time rn and a spare Kubuntu iso
[10:26] <snowdin> how do I test it and submit a test report?
[10:26] <snowdin> spare Kubuntu 20.04 Beta iso
[10:32] <EliteGod> hello guys. anyone here using Xubuntu? I've edited the file `usr/share/lightdm/lightdm.conf.d/60-xubuntu.conf` to enable auto-login for my user long time ago (Xubuntu 19.10 from early beginning) and now I don't remember the default. could anyone post the default file so I can re-edit it again to remove the auto-login?
[10:50] <lotuspsychje> snowdin: join #ubuntu+1 and #ubuntu-quality please
[10:50] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[10:50] <luna_> hey BluesKaj
[10:52] <BluesKaj> hi luna_
[11:14] <TJ-> these ^&*! snap packages. For a GUI snap should there be an accompanying freedesktop application.desktop file to launch it?
[11:17] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: its weird, some snaps hide the desktop file somewhere in another dir, think i had that with woeusb
[11:17] <lotuspsychje> it did not create an icon, so i had to go search for it oO
[11:31] <fldfld> is it possible to reduce the size of initramds?
[11:31] <lotuspsychje> fldfld: kernel cleanup?
[11:32] <fldfld> what is that?
[11:32] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: looks possible it *should* be under $HOME/snap/$APP/current/.local/share/ with an ./applications/.$APP.desktop file - seems Xmind doesn't ship one
[11:34] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: tested installing, gnome spits out a warning indeed: desktop file does not contain exec field
[11:34] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: got a bug ID on that?
[11:35] <lotuspsychje> oh nvm its maintainers email
[11:35] <TJ-> it has a desktop file? I see no file at all unless I'm looking on the wrong place!
[11:36] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: well gnome sees the icon in dash, but probably linked wrong
[11:37] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: and adding the icon to dock, does even nothing, no warning at all
[11:38] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: https://imgur.com/a/7p9MU2u
[11:38] <lotuspsychje> the orange icon
[11:38] <ariejan> I'm looking to setup remote GDM access / login for my ubuntu box. What I'm looking for is a (mac) client that can open a connection (ssh tunnel first is fine) and then start a new gnome session for me to work in). What terms do I need to google for to get there? This is not a simple x11vnc setup (that shares my current x session). I'm a bit lost at
[11:38] <ariejan> where to look for answers.
[11:40] <Aleric> So you want a GUI on the mac?
[11:40] <Cork> anyone know how to change language in thunderbird? i have the respective language pack installed but can't find how to switch
[11:41] <ariejan> Aleric: Yes. I connect and can full-screen my remote ubuntu box.
[11:42] <Aleric> I think for a full desktop you MUST run an X server on your mac. What I found quickly that exists but costs money. I saw a question about a free X server for mac (didn't follow the link).
[11:43] <Aleric> I also found this: https://uisapp2.iu.edu/confluence-prd/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=280461906
[11:43] <Aleric> I didn't read it.
[11:43] <Aleric> That is.. I read the first paragraph :p
[11:43] <Aleric> It is common for users of the Luddy School Linux systems to want to run graphical applications (such as matlab, mathematica, vivado, etc) on these Linux servers and display them on their local computers.  This document details the steps required to do this using the IU Research Desktop (RED) as well as alternative options for Mac, Windows, and Linux systems.
[11:44] <Aleric> Ok, so basically that points to: https://www.xquartz.org/
[11:44] <Aleric> The XQuartz project is an open-source effort to develop a version of the X.Org X Window System that runs on OS X.
[11:44] <Aleric> end quote. I think you'll need that.
[11:45] <ariejan> Aleric: yeah, I found that. Xquartz seems old. I think apple offers x11 as well. Okay, so I need a local X server and then I can connect. Cool.
[11:45] <ariejan> Aleric: thanks!
[11:53] <ldsh> Hi, as I understand I'm a victim of this kernel bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1872001 Things should be fixed when I'll upgrade to 20.04 on the 23 April (or few days later). Which could be the way to use the patched kernel before that date, without taking the risk to get more bugs? Upgrading to 20.04 even if it's not yet the release candidate?
[11:54] <ldsh> Or maybe there is a way to use the new kernel alone?
[12:03] <sc0tt2> I'm trying to install the latest Ubuntu LTS on Virtual Box. During install I cannot click inside any of the input fields on the "Who are you?" page. If I do ctrl+alt+f6 I can switch to a shell login where I can type normally. Anyone know of an issue that might cause this?
[12:03] <Aleric> ldsh: Just compile one yourself
[12:03] <Aleric> Linux sean 5.6.3-lowlatlocxhci #1 SMP PREEMPT Sun Apr 12 12:05:11 CEST 2020 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[12:03] <Aleric> The only problem with the "Just" is that this is extremely bad documented, but I figured it out :).
[12:05] <ldsh> Aleric, Ok, I'll have a look on that ;). These hangs are quite annoying, I can't work efficiently with them. Thanks!
[12:05] <pragmaticenigma> sc0tt2: details are important, there are 2 supported LTS releases and 1 in beta. With so many options it's important to be specific
[12:05] <Aleric> ldsh: I'll paste the commands
[12:05] <Aleric> hold on
[12:08] <sc0tt2> pragmaticenigma: 18.04.4
[12:08] <Aleric> ldsh: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/bdXhWByhRd/
[12:09] <pragmaticenigma> sc0tt2: I recently installed Ubuntu 18.04.4, I did not encounter that issue, however I was also using the mini.iso installation method
[12:10] <Aleric> ldsh: oh, you also need all the dependencies... well, you can find that somewhere else.
[12:10] <Aleric> without the build deps it won't compile of course
[12:10] <ldsh> Aleric, Oh, quite neat set of commands.
[12:10] <pragmaticenigma> sc0tt2: I have encountered it with other distribution installations, and find that sometimes it just requires waiting for a bit for the screen to activate. If you switch back to the GUI does it work?
[12:11] <sc0tt2> pragmaticenigma: no, it's responsive to the mouse but not the keyboard
[12:11] <Aleric> Install the build deps of some older kernel - any will I think.
[12:11] <Aleric> even 4.x
[12:11] <Aleric> will do*
[12:11] <ldsh> Aleric, I should get the dependency with this I guess (If I don't already have) sudo apt-get install build-essential libncurses-dev bison flex libssl-dev libelf-dev
[12:12] <ldsh> Aleric, Why 5.6.3 and not 5.6.4 ?
[12:12] <Aleric> That was the last I compiled, if .4 is out you can use that.
[12:14] <ldsh> Aleric, Ok, makes sense :)
[12:14] <Aleric> ldsh: oh - I pasted something wrong.. You have to remove the '--reference linux-stable-git'
[12:15] <Aleric> I have the kernel checkout in linux-stable-git - using a --reference this way you can make multiple checkouts saving about 1GB for each.
[12:15] <Aleric> but if you only need one kernel, then I guess you don't need that :p
[12:19] <ldsh> Aleric, Ok, I'll remove that part of the git checkout
[12:20] <Aleric> ldsh: The info is also here: https://stackoverflow.com/a/61169878/1487069
[12:20] <Aleric> Although I answered something else there, I went ahead and added all info needed to compile a kernel (I think)
[12:23] <ldsh> Aleric, why linux-$VERSION-$FLAVOUR-$VERSION-$FLAVOUR instead of linux-$VERSION-$FLAVOUR ? (I mean, why the repetition?)
[12:24] <Aleric> No idea, it wants it that way
[12:26] <ldsh> Aleric, Ok :) Thanks for the information!
[12:26] <Aleric> How can I force postfix to exclusively use 127.0.0.1 as nameserver? Even though other applications might use something else (aka, that is globally configured).
[12:27] <Aleric> I'm using DHCP which fetches my ISPs nameservers and configures them at link level (eth0). I could turn that off, but I don't really want to :/. I only need postfix to use my local dns resolver.
[12:28] <Aleric> The way I understand it, postfix uses perls Net::DNS...
[12:28] <pragmaticenigma> Aleric: that might be a better question to ask in #ubuntu-server ?
[12:44] <Aleric> Nah, I figure it out.. it is already working. I mailed myself "Check out this link: http://trousers.com/" and then I see with 'sudo journalctl -eu bind9' which shows the log of my locally running bind9 name resolver:
[12:44] <Aleric> apr 13 14:42:20 sean named[12066]: client @0x7fad6405e7a0 127.0.0.1#24671 (trousers.com.multi.uribl.com): query: trousers.com.multi.uribl.com IN A +E(0) (127.0.0.1)
[12:45] <Aleric> So... it's using it.  The weird thing is, I still get URIBL_BLOCKED sometimes in spamassassin :/.  But not this time.
[12:47] <Aleric> I think I'm done with installing a new MTA + mail reader on this box... README file on how I did this: 365 lines :/
[12:47] <lotuspsychje> ldsh: 20.04 support in #ubuntu+1 please
[12:48] <lotuspsychje> ldsh: oh nvm
[12:49] <ldsh> Aleric, When running "make -j7 deb-pkg LOCALVERSION=-$FLAVOUR" (j7 because I have another task on the 8th thread), with FLAVOUR=custom_tmp and VERSION=5.6.4 , dpkg-buildpackage: tels me that the version number should start with a number.
[12:49] <ldsh> Do you know where I need to put that number version?
[12:50] <ldsh> lotuspsychje, Yes, I'm waiting the release to go to 20.04 :).
[12:50] <Halcyforn> can somone tell me how to install tar.gz inside is file makefile
[12:51] <lotuspsychje> ldsh: yeah saw you mention 20.04, i assumed wrong
[12:51] <ldsh> lotuspsychje, No issue, I can understand.
[12:52] <tomreyn> Halcyforn: what you downloaded there is source code.
[12:53] <tomreyn> you'd need to build the software before you could install it. but if you're asking this question is this likely not what you want.
[12:53] <Halcyforn> yes from bradcom site to this f#$#$#g wi fi card. now i try opensuse and the same problem
[12:54] <Halcyforn> if this driver dont work probably this bios block it for linux
[12:54] <Halcyforn> or i ned very old driver set
[12:55] <Halcyforn> ok then how i can compile install this sourcecode
[12:56] <Halcyforn> probably is few commands
[13:01] <tomreyn> if the system doesn't detect the presence of a network controller chipset now, building some driver and loading it (if it even will, since it can be written for an entirely different kernel version or different OS, or different architecture) won't cause it to be detected either.
[13:03] <Halcyforn> driver is installed problem is is hard locked
[13:03] <Halcyforn> switch dont work in all possitions i have orange led
[13:03] <Halcyforn> hmm
[13:03] <Halcyforn> uch maybe i need driver for this wi fi switch
[13:08] <EriC^^> Halcyforn: maybe see if its disabled in the bios also maybe acpi_osi stuff might help?
[13:08] <EriC^^> http://iam.tj/prototype/enhancements/Windows-acpi_osi.html
[13:14] <Halcyforn> this bios only can enable disable hyper vt nothing more change password boot and time
[13:16] <tomreyn> https://termbin.com/4c01 shows an usb reset on the usb 1 controller due to communication errors.
[13:16] <TJ-> Halcyforn: rfkill hard block shouldn't make a device disappear, only disable its radio. If a PCI device doesn't show up in 'lspci' then it is either not working or the PC firmware is preventing it being found. A driver is NOT needed for that
[13:26] <Halcyforn> this is old tj
[13:27] <Halcyforn> now i think how to remove something from blacklist
[13:44] <user217217> my ubuntu starting again, after poweroff. Can I fix this?
[13:45] <pragmaticenigma> user217217: You'll need to be more detailed in your question. It isn't clear to me what your issue is or what problem you need help solving
[13:46] <user217217> pragmaticenigma: I make poweroof, but pc after shutdown start os again
[13:49] <sixwheeledbeast> its the make poweroff that needs to be more detailed. How are you "poweroff"
[13:50] <tomreyn> !crosspost | user217217
[13:51] <user217217> sixwheeledbeast: sudo poweroff
[13:51] <user217217> tomreyn: in which channel I askeo except this?
[13:51] <user217217> *asked
[13:52] <tomreyn> ##linux
[13:52] <tomreyn> but then you should know that ;)
[13:52] <user217217> tomreyn: is #linux the ubuntu channel?
[13:53] <tomreyn> please don't cross post, at the same time, in general.
[13:54] <user217217> anyway I fix my problem. It was wakeonlan via bios disable solution.
[13:54] <lotuspsychje> oO
[13:56] <pragmaticenigma> sounds like they should audit their network for what's sending out WOL packets
[14:15] <mar77i> duh. so I'm trying to write a systemd service file for this service that's supposed to run before some other services.
[14:16] <mar77i> but now the setting `RequiredBy=nginx.service` doesn't show up in systemctl show nginx
[14:16] <pragmaticenigma> mar77i: is nginx disabled?
[14:16] <pragmaticenigma> or even installed?
[14:17] <mar77i> of course. I assume it has to do with this thingy here, (this is an lts vm)... Executing: /lib/systemd/systemd-sysv-install enable nginx
[14:19] <mar77i> so the machine is set up completely. I'm adding this mechanism after setting up an encrypted partition that can only be unlocked via remote mechanism, and I want the system to stall nginx and a couple other services because they're now running from that encrypted partition.
[14:21] <pragmaticenigma> mar77i: maybe place the requirement in those services instead?
[14:22] <mar77i> this is the service file, apparently this isn't doing the trick. https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/mqSFXdt5DB/
[14:23] <mar77i> pragmaticenigma: the way I'm interpreting the manual, shouldn't the effect be the same? https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd.unit.html#Mapping%20of%20unit%20properties%20to%20their%20inverses
[14:23] <pragmaticenigma> mar77i: what I'm suggesting is to edit the nginx, supervisor, postgre services to have the "After=" in them referencing the encrypted partition unlick
[14:24] <pragmaticenigma> mar77i: I'm not that familiar with the setup... but something called [Install] seems more relvant for other purposes than restricting or setting the boot order
[14:29] <mar77i> the [Install] entry appears to create the appropriate symlinks: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/MJ7v7PNB6V/ I wonder if the sysv-install just isn't obeying it?
[14:31] <pragmaticenigma> mar77i: is there some sort of refresh for systemd needed ?
[14:32] <mar77i> yeah, that was systemctl daemon-reload, and beyond that, after the output I just pasted I rebooted, if that counts
[14:33] <pragmaticenigma> sounds right
[14:51] <TJ-> mar77i: you'll need a Before=
[14:51] <mar77i> ah, let me try th at
[14:52] <TJ-> mar77i: WantedBy/RequiredBy don't enforce an order just dependencies; Before/After enforce ordering
[14:53] <pragmaticenigma> That's kind of what I thought too
[14:53] <TJ-> From "man systemd.unit" -> " ... Note that requirement dependencies do not influence the order in which services are started or stopped. This has to be configured independently with the After= or Before= ..."
[14:53] <mar77i> how dependency doesn't imply ordering is beyond me :)
[14:53] <TJ-> mar77i: without ordering units can/are started in parallel
[14:54] <mar77i> hmm. that makes a lot of sense. thanks, that appears to be the missing piece.
[14:55] <TJ-> mar77i: a dependency just means that unit A will be expected at some point; ordering says unit A MUST be 'started' before unit B starts
[15:43] <myphs__> hi, running ubuntu mate here. my alt
[15:43] <myphs__> sorry, alt+lmb / alt+rmb doesn't work anymore. is there a quick fix for that?
[15:44] <Woet> if an init.d script says "via systemctl", it's internally using "service ... start", right?
[15:46] <pragmaticenigma> myphs: what is lmb and rmb? please note that not everyone here will understand the acronyms you use, it's better to spell things out completely to avoid confusion
[15:47] <pragmaticenigma> Woet: what are you trying to do, it will help the volunteers understand how to best answer your question
[15:47] <Woet> pragmaticenigma: you're right.
[15:48] <myphs> pragmaticenigma: left mouse button, right mouse button together pressed together with the alt key. the first combination moves the window, the second combination resizes the window
[15:49] <Woet> it looks like my init.d is pointing to systemd and systemd is pointing to init.d - causing it to never start: https://gist.github.com/Woet/cc7b342e93c37d16996b596b2680b7fa
[15:50] <myphs> the corresponding setting is set to the alt key, but it doesn't work. it doesn't work either when i set it to super
[15:53] <pragmaticenigma> myphs: does the issue persist after a restart of the machine?
[15:54] <myphs> pragmaticenigma: yes
[15:55] <benishor> hi guys, quick question
[15:56] <benishor> my super key seems to have stopped working and I have no clue as of why. is there a way to debug this?
[15:56] <benishor> I have a backlit keyboard. the minute I press the super key, the lighting increases on the key signifying a press but the event does not seem to reach my ubuntu
[15:56] <benishor> xev also does not say anything when pressing either left super or right super
[15:59] <myphs> benishor: are you on ubuntu mate? ubuntu mate has that issue with keyboard backlight automatically turning on. there's a simple fix for that in some random file. no idea of the other things
[15:59] <benishor> myphs: no, I'm on ubuntu with gnome shell
[15:59] <benishor> tl;dr: super key stopped working
[15:59] <benishor> although I am sure it's not a hardware issue
[16:00] <benishor> I don't know where to start digging though
[16:01] <pragmaticenigma> benishor: My super key occassionaly stops work and I've never figured it out... a restart of my machine has typically resolved the issue
[16:02] <myphs> that's a really bad solution imo
[16:02] <benishor> indeed, let's see if it's a solution for me though
[16:03] <benishor> oh shit
[16:03] <benishor> just fixed it!
[16:03] <benishor> it wasn't ubuntu's fault at all
[16:03] <benishor> I have this smart ass keyboard, razer blackwidow elite
[16:03] <benishor> and I installed a linux driver for it
[16:04] <benishor> and apparently my 3yo managed to switch it to something called "gaming mode"
[16:04] <pragmaticenigma> benishor: please keep the language family friendly here
[16:04] <benishor> pragmaticenigma: which part was not family friendly?
[16:04] <pragmaticenigma> benishor: the profanity
[16:04] <benishor> and what the gaming mode did was to disable the winkey
[16:04] <myphs> gaming mode, awesome
[16:04] <benishor> pragmaticenigma: care to detail on the profanity? our understandings on this matter seem to differ
[16:05] <pragmaticenigma> benishor: you can read the guidelines
[16:05] <pragmaticenigma> !guidelines | benishor
[16:05] <ducasse> benishor: if the key is bound to anything, xev won't report a keypress event
[16:05] <benishor> pragmaticenigma: I was born before those guidelines
[16:06] <benishor> ducasse: hmm, they key was bound to anything but I take it the event was filtered out by the driver
[16:06] <pragmaticenigma> !ops | benishor ... needs help understanding the guidelines and the request to not use profanity in the chat channel.
[16:06] <benishor> pragmaticenigma: look at you, so courageous
[16:06]  * housecat yawns
[16:06] <housecat> benishor: don't curse in #ubuntu, thanks
[16:06] <benishor> now what? am I going to get kicked? banned? or what?
[16:06] <benishor> I didn't curse
[16:07] <benishor> wtf is with this sjw crap
[16:07] <housecat> yes, you did. now, let's move back to technical support.
[16:07] <benishor> this is why society is dying
[16:07] <pragmaticenigma> you just did it again benishor ... you're doing it on purpose now because you know it upsets people
[16:07] <benishor> well done sherlock
[16:07] <benishor> you figured me out
[16:08] <genii> benishor: Persisting will get you, booted, yes.
[16:09] <benishor> wtf is family friendly anyway? (is that persistence?)
[16:09] <Eickmeyer> !language
[16:09] <myphs> benishor: you wrote "oh shit", people don't like it here, don't do it then. their channel, their rules or whatever. there's no point of discussing that kind of things
[16:18] <myphs> btw: how stable is the 20.04 beta already?
[16:19] <EriC^^> !+1 | myphs
[16:19] <EriC^^> !ubuntu+1 | myphs
[16:19] <EriC^^> not trying to be rude, the guys there probably know a lot more though
[16:20] <myphs> EriC^^: i see, thank you. i didn't know this exists
[16:20] <EriC^^> no problem
[16:22] <rr123> networkd and network-manager are both under /etc/netplan, what's the difference? who has priority? are they supposed to work in parallel?
[16:23] <pragmaticenigma> netplan and network-manager develope and submit network configuration plans to networkd
[16:24] <rr123> then why networkd and networkmanager are both called renderer under netplan?
[16:25] <tomreyn> they are actually separate, alternative, network management mechanisms.
[16:26] <rr123> so the question is, if they conflict under netplan config, who wins?
[16:26] <tomreyn> netplan provides a layer on top for managing one of the two at a time through a common syntax.
[16:27] <tomreyn> actually, it may be possible to use both in parallel for different interfaces, i haven't tried this
[16:27] <rr123> By default network management on Ubuntu Core is handled by systemd's networkd and netplan. While NetworkManager has some support to handle netplan configuration files, Ethernet support is disabled by default and has to be turned on explicitly to avoid conflicts with existing network configuration.
[16:27] <tomreyn> certianly you should only configure on renderer per interface
[16:28] <rr123> yes that's what  I figured, never configure two interfaces in both places, otherwise they get alone
[16:28] <rr123> from ubuntu core doc, it appears on desktop, use network manager for everything but wired interface
[16:28] <tomreyn> networkmanager has no support to handle netplan configuration files. it's the other way around
[16:28] <rr123> s/alone/along/
[16:29] <tomreyn> generally, for ubuntu core support, you'll best talk to canonical, i think we only support ubuntu desktop and server on community support.
[16:30] <rr123> ubuntu server here is the same for ubuntu core
[16:30] <rr123> i do not use ubuntu core at all
[16:30] <tomreyn> then i would recommend not to apply its documentation against other products
[16:30] <rr123> anyway, in short, network manager for desktop, networkd for server; on desktop, use networkd for ethernet, the rest left to network manager
[16:31] <rr123> i would assume ubuntu server is a super set of ubuntu core... but I'm unsure
[16:33] <tomreyn> i don't think so, not at this time anyways.
[16:34] <tomreyn> ubuntu desktop defaults to network manager (directly, witout netplan), ubuntu server defaults to netplan and the systemd-networkd renderer.
[16:35] <tomreyn> this is for 18.04 LTS
[16:35] <rr123> true. just google a bit on ubuntu core, it really should be called "ubuntu light" or "ubuntu snap", anyways
[16:36] <tomreyn> it says what it is on the web page you download it from
[16:51] <parak0vsky> can i install something that will control buffer bloath on my ubuntu
[16:51] <parak0vsky> thank you
[16:51] <lotuspsychje> parak0vsky: clean system?
[17:05] <Hamilton> Is lscpu current clock speed inaccurate or what? On windows on idle, HW64Monitor shows constant 800MHz but here on Xubuntu it fluctates between 800-900 and frequent 1200 and 3000 on idle...Same thing happens with psensor....periodic jump of temp to 90 when machine is not hot and its on idle
[17:08] <praty> Hi, I have a question regarding GPU drivers if anyone is familiar with it here. I had nvidia-cuda setup on my kernel but I had to roll back the kernel version for an experiment and now things are broken. Should clean everything and install the drivers for this kernel version? What is a clean way to remove and install everything?
[17:12] <praty> This is the error I get OSError: libcublas.so.10: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory. Should I just looking into this one error or is that going to open up a can of worms in which case I might as well reinstall everything for this kernel version?
[17:16] <pragmaticenigma> praty: If it was me... i would have made a back up before having removed all that so you could easily restore when your experiment was over. I think without knowing all the steps you performed to get to this state from the very beginning, it might be faster to start from scratch?
[17:17] <praty> No, my experiment quite long running and I would need the GPU setup only in this older kernel version. So basically I messed up by installing nvidia-cuda before rolling back. How do I downgrade it cleanly for this version?
[17:18] <VulcanRidr> Have a question. running many boxes on 16.04. When you try to uninstall a kernel, Ubuntu attempts to install an unsigned kernel in it's place. Is there someplace that this behavior can be turned off?
[17:18] <pragmaticenigma> praty: no idea... that's a pretty advanced situation
[17:19] <praty> Pretty much all the instructions given here https://docs.nvidia.com/cuda/cuda-installation-guide-linux/index.html and then a kernel roll back to 4.4 from 4.15
[17:19] <praty> pragmaticenigma Okay thanks anyway!
[17:20] <ioria> praty, where is libcublas.so.10  located ?  you can try an EXPORT variable
[17:21] <ioria> praty, sudo find / -name "libcublas.so.10.0"
[17:22] <praty> ioria /var/lib/docker/overlay2/13c99fcc6ed4a939fc3c1ae6d68e1ff487325d697b32e136c21cb1e7690aa5a5/diff/usr/local/cuda-10.0/targets/x86_64-linux/lib/libcublas.so.10.0
[17:22] <ioria> ah
[17:23] <ioria> export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$LD_LIBRARY_PATH:/var/lib/docker/overlay2/13c99fcc6ed4a939fc3c1ae6d68e1ff487325d697b32e136c21cb1e7690aa5a5/diff/usr/local/cuda-10.0/targets/x86_64-linux/lib/
[17:25] <praty> Should I do anything else?
[17:25] <ioria> no idea
[17:25] <praty> Should I also additionally add to bashrc and source it? Or just do this one export statement?
[17:25] <praty> ioria Oh the reason I ask is because I get the same error after trying export
[17:25] <ioria> ok
[17:27] <analogical> how can I find the paths to where my drives are mounted?
[17:27] <EriC^^> analogical: if you run the command "mount" it should show all mounts, or "lsblk"
[17:29] <analogical> EriC^^, thanks!
[17:29] <EriC^^> analogical: no problem
[17:30] <laertus> can anyone recommend an "internet speed test" website?  i see a bunch of them when i do a web search, but don't know which to trust..
[17:30] <EriC^^> laertus: speedtest.net works for me
[17:31] <laertus> thanks
[17:31] <EriC^^> no problem
[17:32] <sixwheeledbeast> laertus: speedof.me
[17:32] <laertus> thank you
[17:34] <sixwheeledbeast> it works with a lot less hidden scripts than speedtest
[17:34] <VulcanRidr> laertus: I use speedtest.net but also dlsreports.com/speedtest...
[17:34] <laertus> great.. i got a lot of recommendations.. i'll try those.. thank you all
[17:38] <exo_33> Does anyone know of a cheap bluetooth usb dongle that is working on the =<5.3.0 kernel? I bought this cheap clone and apparently it's only compatible ≤ 3.9.11 due to some bug. I know there is a patch available, but I'm trying to get this for a non-tech person.
[17:45] <lotuspsychje> !hardware | exo_33 start here
[17:46] <VulcanRidr> laertus: The nice thing about dslreports speedtest is that it also check bufferbloat.
[17:47] <laertus> oh, right.. bufferbloat... i remember reading about that.. not sure what i could do about it, though
[18:00] <Fevix> Is there a good fullscreen cross-platform remote desktop program? My desktop (Windows 10) keyboard is in the wash. I'm using Chrome Remote Desktop on my Ubuntu Laptop, but when the mouse ventures too close to the top, it removes fullscreen because CRD only uses browser windows, not a downloaded program
[18:01] <pragmaticenigma> Fevix: Take a look at VNC
[18:01] <tomreyn> which is a protocol, but there are several softwares which support it.
[18:02] <Fevix> Is there a recommended program for it?
[18:03] <pragmaticenigma> Fevix: Ubuntu Desktop already comes with the server ready to enable in settings. From there, you can use a few different applications such as RealVNC, TightVNC, TigerVNC, and a million others
[18:03] <pragmaticenigma> Fevix: There is sometimes a tweak needed to get the VNC client to work with the Ubuntu Desktop implementation, I'll try to track it down for you
[18:04] <Fevix> THe software installer on this has Remmina as the top result when searching for VNC, is that what I'm looking for?
[18:04] <tomreyn> the VNC server integrated with the gnome desktop is 'vino', it's client counter part is 'vinagre'
[18:05] <pragmaticenigma> Remmina is a VNC viewer (also supports the RDP protocol)
[18:05] <pragmaticenigma> Fevix: This site has a good guide to enabling and setting up Screen sharing in Ubuntu: https://websiteforstudents.com/access-ubuntu-18-04-lts-beta-desktop-via-vnc-from-windows-machines/
[18:06] <tomreyn> if the server is vinagre and you have a windows client, i think tightvnc can work out of the box.
[18:06] <Fevix> That's the wrong way around. I'm using ubuntu, trying to control a windows machine
[18:06] <Fevix> The way that website is worded, it's using Windows to control a UBuntu machine
[18:07] <tomreyn> tightvnc also provides a server for windows, i think.
[18:07] <pragmaticenigma> it does
[18:08] <pragmaticenigma> what I always forget for the Ubuntu screen sharing is the "sudo gsettings set org.gnome.Vino require-encryption false" part
[18:08] <sarnold> o_O
[18:09] <tomreyn> alternatively, you could use an RDP client (RDP is the proprietary protocol windows which builds on a common foundation with VNC (RFB), and runs a server for by default)
[18:09] <pragmaticenigma> sarnold: something on your mind?
[18:09] <tomreyn> *windows uses
[18:10] <sarnold> pragmaticenigma: it feels like turning encryption off on vnc is not that different from eg using telnet ..
[18:11] <pragmaticenigma> sarnold: It's not turning it off... it's allowing clients to choose to use it
[18:11] <pragmaticenigma> sarnold: if you know of a windows client that supports it, I'm open to hearning about it.
[18:12] <sarnold> pragmaticenigma: is the state of windows vnc software really so terrible? ouch :(
[18:12] <pragmaticenigma> however as a general rule, I do not expose any remote desktoping software through my firewall... Remote Desktop sessions for my setups require the VPN to running or tunneled over SSH
[18:12] <pragmaticenigma> sarnold: I think the encryption is there, but you can't access it unless you pay for a license
[18:14] <tomreyn> https://www.tightvnc.com/faq.php#howsecure looks sad
[18:15] <pragmaticenigma> realVNC has it, but they require you to buy a key to unlock the feature. otherwise RealVNC also has the same limitations as tightVNC
[18:16] <sarnold> I wonder how well a decent vnc client in ubuntu (does such a thing exist?) run through WSL would work?
[18:16] <VulcanRidr> I'm running many boxes on 16.04. When you try to uninstall a kernel, Ubuntu attempts to install an unsigned kernel in it's place. Is there someplace that this behavior can be turned off?
[18:18] <pragmaticenigma> VulcanRidr: How you are getting that state I do not understand. Are you attempting remove all the kernels for your system?
[18:18] <tomreyn> sarnold: not so well until you'd ensure you can run X beforehand, i guess
[18:20] <pragmaticenigma> I'd still like to find a way to start VNC services at the login screen with GDM. I've seen some hacked together solutions, but from what I have found, very few agree on one approach
[18:20] <sarnold> tomreyn: oh :(
[18:20] <tomreyn> https://github.com/TigerVNC/tigervnc/issues/307 says turbovnc supports vino's encryption
[18:20] <sarnold> VulcanRidr: can you pastebin what you're seeing?
[18:26] <pragmaticenigma> tomreyn: thanks for the tip about TurboVNC ... I'll have to take a look at it
[18:27] <tomreyn> pragmaticenigma: you're welcome - please let me know if you succeed.
[18:28] <VulcanRidr> sarnold: Hold on.
[18:28] <pragmaticenigma> tomreyn: on which part?
[18:30] <tomreyn> pragmaticenigma: using a TurboVNC client on windows to connect to a vino server on ubuntu, with vino encryption.
[18:30] <pragmaticenigma> I'll give it a run on my test machine tonight :) and let you know
[18:33] <VulcanRidr> sarnold: https://pastebin.com/NF4tsJNu As you can see, uninstalling linux-image-4.15.0-91-generic forces an install of linux-image-unsigned-4.15.0-91.
[18:36] <Carel> hi all, I have a few queries about packaging php projects ? The first is in the package preparation. I create folder extract my tar.gz and fille th folder before running dh_make. mu the content not be placed into fhs compliant structues or should the mk_install stage in the build sequence handle this ?
[18:36] <pragmaticenigma> VulcanRidr: Are you running "sudo update-initramfs -d -k {kernel_package}" before trying to remove the kernels?
[18:36] <pragmaticenigma> VulcanRidr: Maybe this will help? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RemoveOldKernels#Safely_Removing_Old_Kernels
[18:37] <Carel> I asked on Ubbuntu-packaging but haven't had a response in two hours so asked here, hope that is ok.
[18:37] <pragmaticenigma> Carel: Are you trying to make packages for distribution on Ubuntu's repos or something else?
[18:37] <Carel> I am targeting ubuntu yeah, so making *.deb packages.
[18:38] <pragmaticenigma> Carel: Have you asked in #ubuntu-app-devel ?
[18:38] <Carel> I thought that channel was for formal development based on the ubuntu room lists.
[18:38] <sarnold> VulcanRidr: alright, try this: apt purge linux-image-4.15.0-91-generic linux-image-unsigned-4.15.0-91-generic  -- I think it'll suggest also removing another versioned package to satisfy dependencies
[18:38] <Carel> pragmaticenigma I'll head there, thanks
[18:39] <sarnold> Carel: another option might be #packaging on irc.oftc.net
[18:39] <pragmaticenigma> Carel: It might be, just trying to find a resource that's maybe more suitable. In here it's mostly focused on troubleshooting and the like. Worth it to hangout in case someone here sees it too.
[18:39] <Carel> pragmaticenigma @Ubunutu-packaging was a little queit
[18:39] <Hamilton> Ubuntu's CPU frequency governer is only set to "performance" on boot and "powersave" other times, right?
[18:40] <Carel> I'll keep the channel open, just in cases :D
[18:53] <VulcanRidr> sarnold: Well that works. It gripes about the usigned kernel not being installed, but it beats having to uninstall the same kernel twice. Isn't there a way to disable the unsigned kernels altogether?
[18:55] <sarnold> VulcanRidr: I don't know the full details behind the kernel packaging; I'm even a bit surprised you had an -unsigned kernel offered to you, I didn't think that users were supposed to use those packages. I'm confused...
[19:00] <pragmaticenigma> sarnold, VulcanRidr ... my theory is that as long as there is something referencing it in the boot images, apt is going to try and put something else in it's place. Assuming user needs something there to avoid a failed boot
[19:00] <VulcanRidr> sarnold: Right. And being as how anyone who is manually removing a kernel is probably a sysadmin rather than a desktop user, so we should be able to turn that option off.
[19:02] <pragmaticenigma> I think maybe it has something to do with Ubuntu liking to keep a few older kernels around after any updates? So instead of removing them per the user request, it puts something else in it's place?
[19:02] <sarnold> VulcanRidr: it's not an "option", it's a dependency in the packaging system. apt will usually pick to install the first listed dependency when there's an alternation, and if you remove that choice without removing the depending package, apt will try to satisfy it somehow
[19:05] <VulcanRidr> ah. Gotcha sarnold.
[19:10] <tomreyn> if you'd like to modify the "keep latest two kernel images" mechanism i guess you'd need to edit /etc/kernel/postinst.d/apt-auto-removal
[19:36] <kyle__> Is there a channel dedicated to ubuntu on arm devices?
[19:40] <tomreyn> there is. but it has a very cryptic name. #ubuntu-arm, i think
[19:43] <pragmaticenigma> tomreyn: that is correct, but it is only for arm v7 chips
[19:46] <kyle__> K
[19:46] <kyle__> Thanks
[19:46] <tomreyn> pragmaticenigma: ah right that's what its 2013 topic says
[19:47] <tomreyn> but i think it's mostly trying to point out it's not v6 that way.
[19:47] <pragmaticenigma> I think it's to discourage RPi users
[20:22] <codedmart> What is everyones preferred way to handle different programming env? Ie if I want to install a set of specific package versions for one project vs another? From packages such as nodejs/postresql/etc.
[20:22] <blahboybaz> blah
[20:23] <akem> codedmart, Virtual machines.
[20:23] <codedmart> akem that is what I am doing now with qemu, but was wondering if I am missing something easier.
[20:25] <Jordan_U> codedmart: Chroots and containers can also be used.
[20:25] <codedmart> Jordan_U any good pointer articles or places I can read on doing that?
[20:28] <codedmart> Also another question is TLP really that necessary anymore? I installed the beta of 20.04. I feel like I heard somewhere it isn't really needed anymore for power management?
[20:31] <drleviathan> codedmart, anything you can do on linux command line in terminal, you can do on a linux contiainer (e.g. docker or some competing tech).
[20:32] <drleviathan> docker is the only container I have experience with but I can say: it is easy to setup a docker container, to modify it to install the environment you want, and to run your software.
[20:34] <codedmart> drleviathan I guess in my case I really just want a specific guest distro running that I can ssh into and run anything I would like. Docker seemed less suited for this when I initially looked. By my experience with docker is quite limited.
[20:34] <Jordan_U> codedmart: https://ubuntu.com/blog/lxd-in-4-easy-steps might be a good start, though it doesn't really give you much of a background on what containers are. Most guides that I've found are more for explaining how to deploy your app with containers, not for using containers to make development easier / more convenient.
[20:35] <codedmart> Jordan_U Thanks
[20:37] <Jordan_U> codedmart: You're welcom.
[21:17] <craigbass76> I'm trying to get 30fps on a Microsoft LifeCam. It's capable, but 15 is as high as it will go. I'm reading about running lsmod to see if v4l1 is loaded, and it's not. It's insalled though. Is that my issue?
[21:21] <Eickmeyer> craigbass76: If you don't get a response in here, you might need to get discord from the snap store (sudo snap install discord) and join their discord chat for help with OBS: https://obsproject.com/help
[21:33] <cluelessperson_> I was wrong to leave ubuntu, and I'm back. :D
[21:53] <ph88> where can i find a core dump when php segfaults ?
[21:56] <tomreyn> ph88: generally, the core dump mechanism is described in the core(5) man page
[21:57] <ph88> ok
[21:57] <ph88> is it possible to override a kernel runtime parameter for a single process ?
[21:58] <lupulo> ph88, https://bugs.php.net/bugs-generating-backtrace.php
[21:58] <tomreyn> not that i know of, after all kernel land is not user land and vice versa. by default, core dumps are passed to apport which then decides (based on its configuration) how (or whether) it will handle them.
[21:59] <ph88> i would like to set back apport after running php
[21:59] <lupulo> ph88, https://bugs.php.net/bugs-getting-valgrind-log.php
[22:00] <ph88> nice valgrind
[22:00] <tomreyn> root can always write a new value to /proc/sys/kernel/core_pattern
[22:02] <tomreyn> you might already have dumps (in a different format, created by apport) in /var/crash
[22:07] <ph88> i set this now   sudo sysctl -w kernel.core_pattern="/home/ph88/php/phpBB3/cores/core-%e.%p"   but i not longer get (core dumped) on segfault
[22:07] <blahboybaz> I used sudo add-apt-repository --remove  to remove a couple unused repositories and now I'm getting a bunch of output at the end of apt update saying things are configured multiple times.
[22:07] <blahboybaz> How can I fix this?    https://pastebin.com/uKGLNgcX
[22:08] <ph88>  ulimit -c unlimited    <-- fixed last problem
[22:09] <blahboybaz> Is this:  https://askubuntu.com/questions/760896/how-can-i-fix-apt-error-w-target-packages-is-configured-multiple-times
[22:09] <blahboybaz> solution still valid for 18.04 ?
[22:10] <JoeLlama> I need a way such that I can do an n-way file save where the program saves the file and automagically the file is saved to two, three, or n-way path to mucltiple file systems so like it's just one save function but automatically saves to separatate media
[22:10] <JoeLlama> handclap BO! :)
[22:11] <JoeLlama> oops s/B/G
[22:13] <tomreyn> blahboybaz: the script the askubuntu.com post refers is not part of ubuntu, i don't know what it does. as long as you can use a text editor and sudo you'll be able to fix this yourself easily, though
[22:13] <tomreyn> "/etc/apt/sources.list:54" means "line 54 of the (textual) configuration file at /etc/apt/sources.list"
[22:14] <Bashing-om> blahboybaz: Still use vscode ?
[22:14] <tomreyn> you should probably comment out (add "#" in front) or delete line 3 of /etc/apt/sources.list.d/vscode.list
[22:15] <blahboybaz> Bashing-om: yes. Actually I got rid of Brackets in favor of vscode
[22:15] <tomreyn> to open it in a text editor, you can use:   gedit admin:///etc/apt/sources.list.d/vscode.list
[22:15] <blahboybaz> after that I wanted to get rid of the repos that were used for Brackets
[22:16] <blahboybaz> and one other repo too (I think it was for nodejs) but I didn't install it the best way and wanted to redo that with a different method of install
[22:16] <conr> what's the best way to send a large file from one ubuntu device to a remote ubuntu device via cli?
[22:16] <blahboybaz> I tried the script sourced in that post and it found one thing, I told it yes and it did its thing - but the reuslt output from apt update did not change though
[22:17] <matsaman> conr: scp for a one-off
[22:17] <sarnold> conr: rsync is quite nice
[22:17] <matsaman> rsync is better and does resuming
[22:17] <tomreyn> so does sftp
[22:17] <tomreyn> scp is meh
[22:17] <conr> sarnold: ive tried but it starts and then slowly just times out
[22:18] <matsaman> scp is meh, but it's the simplest
[22:18] <blahboybaz> Does 18.04 have repository configuration in more than one place?
[22:19] <blahboybaz> Do I have to reload some file for the changes to take effect?
[22:19] <tomreyn> matsaman: yes, you're right.
[22:20] <tomreyn> blahboybaz: by default, apt repository configurations are only soted in /etc/apt/sources.list*
[22:20] <tomreyn> *stored
[22:21] <Bashing-om> blahboybaz: 3rd party sources in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ directory.
[22:21] <blahboybaz> tomreyn: idk why this warnings are coming up then
[22:21] <blahboybaz> Bashing-om: I'll take a peek at that dir. thanks
[22:25] <blahboybaz> Bashing-om: is the content of that dir autogenerated?
[22:26] <Bashing-om> blahboybaz: No - but depemds on the install script from the PPA maintainer. Generally that source is a manual thing.
[22:30] <blahboybaz> Bashing-om: Will I break my system if I remove those files?
[22:30] <blahboybaz> comepletely remove every file in sources.list.d
[22:30] <blahboybaz> I'm doing an experiment to move them out of path right now
[22:32] <JoeLlama> wrlp that didn't work...  sounds like I'm gunna haf too script it
[22:33] <Bashing-om> blahboybaz: Well. If you removed the app then there is no need for the source for the app that you removed. The package manager told you to fix your sources, Were me I would remove that dupe from the /etc/apt/sources.list directory as PPAs belong in the /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ directory.
[22:33] <blahboybaz> I removed all files from sources.list.d to a directory in relative path ../tmp that I created and when I run apt update I get what looks like healthy output.  But...  what happens the next time the package manager tries to use one of thos repos? Will it mess up ?
[22:34] <tomreyn> it will no longer use these repositories because you just deconfigured them
[22:34] <blahboybaz> lemme checkout what your saying
[22:35] <Bashing-om> blahboybaz: If the package manager can not see a fetch list - can not update what additional apps you may have installed.
[22:35] <blahboybaz> The original "W:" messages were not naming the repos I removed but the repos that remained (like the official ubuntu repos). Big list listing each / all them.
[22:37] <blahboybaz> I was wrong. I see what it's saying now
[22:38] <blahboybaz> what is the sources.list.save ? Is that a temp file from some editor?
[22:39] <tomreyn> it's just a backup in case you want to undo changes later. the configurations in there are disabled.
[22:39] <tomreyn> more importantly, though, you probably have software installed which will never get (security and bug fix) updates now. that's undesirable. you can install the "apt-forktracer" package and run the same command to identify such software.
[22:41] <blahboybaz> holy shit I did not need this problem right now
[22:43] <blahboybaz> This:  https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-list-and-remove-ppa-repository-on-ubuntu-18-04-bionic-beaver-linux  article instructed to use that command to remove repos properly. I had the issue as soon as I did. I did modify the command though. Instead of ppa:PPA_REPOSITORY_NAME/ in the command I put the entire url instead. The thing seemed to exit fine (apparently dong its job) then all this
[22:49] <Bashing-om> blahboybaz: Nope: correct command would be similar " sudo add-apt-repository -r ppa:oibaf/graphics-drivers".
[22:51] <blahboybaz> Is there any way to jsut 'go back' ?
[22:51] <blahboybaz> just put it back like it was
[22:51] <blahboybaz> :(
[22:51] <blahboybaz> what if I reinstall the repos?
[22:52] <blahboybaz> tomreyn:  So whatever that forktracker app lists as output are programs the have no connection to upstream?
[22:52] <Bashing-om> blahboybaz: easier to just copy back from "relative path ../tmp" that you made - no ?
[22:53] <blahboybaz> Bashing-om:  Yeah but there was mroe in that entry than just the path and I don't have that now
[22:53] <tomreyn> blahboybaz: it lists software packages which are installed, but are not available (or not availabe in the version you have installed) in the default ubuntu repositories. so their status or why they are installed is questionable.
[22:54] <tomreyn> "it" -> apt-forktracer
[22:54] <Bashing-om> blahboybaz: sources.list.save exist as tomreyn so advised earlier :)
[22:56] <blahboybaz> oh, sorry. I forgot
[22:56] <blahboybaz> lemme see
[22:58] <blahboybaz> I don't see any difference between the files
[22:59] <blahboybaz> so what, am I supposed to just clobber sources.list with cp source.list.save sources.list?
[22:59] <blahboybaz> I don't see any difference. I think the files are the same
[22:59] <sarnold> diff -u file1 file2 will show you the differences between two files
[23:00] <blahboybaz> sarnold: your a lifesaver
[23:00] <matsaman> there's a good GUI for that called meld
[23:00] <matsaman> I use vimdiff in a terminal myself
[23:01] <blahboybaz> sarnold: I just get a new command line (program exits with no output). Does that mean there are not differences?
[23:01] <sarnold> blahboybaz: yeah
[23:01] <blahboybaz> so I'm screwed
[23:02] <sarnold> what's the problem you're trying to solve?
[23:02] <blahboybaz> but I don't know if I'm screwed. Idk how to verify how screwed I am
[23:02] <blahboybaz> sarnold: This: https://pastebin.com/uKGLNgcX
[23:03] <tomreyn> still?
[23:03] <sarnold> blahboybaz: try commenting out line 3 of /etc/apt/sources.list.d/vscode.list
[23:03] <blahboybaz> ok
 you should probably comment out (add "#" in front) or delete line 3 of /etc/apt/sources.list.d/vscode.list
 to open it in a text editor, you can use:   gedit admin:///etc/apt/sources.list.d/vscode.list
[23:04] <sarnold> heh, nice :)
[23:04] <tomreyn> about an hour ago
[23:06] <blahboybaz> tomreyn: sorry if i missed something
[23:07] <blahboybaz> sarnold: tomreyn: I'm using / have installed vscode. Commenting that out is ok? Is safe?
[23:07] <sarnold> blahboybaz: yes, apparently that line is already covered by your existing sources.list
[23:09] <blahboybaz> sarnold: I'm starting to get the idea here. Sorry so dense.
[23:09] <blahboybaz> Yes, it fixes the problem and yes I specifically recall that the line is in sources.list
[23:09] <blahboybaz> ty
[23:09] <blahboybaz> everyone
[23:11] <tomreyn> blahboybaz: you're welcome. do you want us to have a quick look at your apt-forktracer output, too? if so run this and post the url:    apt-forktracer 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999
[23:11] <blahboybaz> In fact I recall the same issue when I added the microsoft repo for vscode a time in the past. Now I realize I don't think it was an issue of the repos I removed but an issue with the repo I added (the vscode one). Its the upstream vendor made the mistake I guess?
[23:11] <blahboybaz> tomreyn: yes please
[23:11] <blahboybaz> I will and will post the url in a min
[23:12] <blahboybaz> tomreyn: you don't have to run that w/ sudo do you?
[23:12] <tomreyn> i don't
[23:12] <gildarts> Hello, I seem to have gotten my server's DNS/networking configuration in a bit of a pickle. It currently can't resolve anything, and I'm unclear as to where the correction locations are to configure things. I used cockpit to create a link aggregation bond, and am not sure where it wrote the configuration to, and am thinking that I should just remove that configuration and do it manually.
[23:14] <gildarts> Most just wonder if there is a good place to read about the correct way to configure networking in 19.10. Many of the articles/blog posts I've found talk about many different methods, and I was wondering what the canonical/recommended method is.
[23:14] <gildarts> s/Most just wonder/Mostly just wondering/
[23:14] <Bashing-om> !netplan | gildarts
[23:15] <Bashing-om> gildarts: ^^ server; systemd-networkd: config's under /etc/systemd/network/ .
[23:16] <blahboybaz> tomreyn:  ok:  https://termbin.com/kn9m
[23:16] <gildarts> Bashing-om: Thanks! I was trying to figure it out by reading config files in /etc and wasn't getting very far.
[23:18] <Bashing-om> gildarts: :D netplan is a whole new ball game.
[23:18] <tomreyn> blahboybaz: this actually looks alright, you have apt sources configured for all those third party packages you have installed, so may get updates from there (if any will be pushed to those)
[23:20] <blahboybaz> tomreyn: Right on.  Ty for your help. I feel pretty good about it
[23:20] <tomreyn> blahboybaz: you're welcome.
[23:22] <gildarts> Is there a command to see why a package was installed?
[23:22] <Bashing-om> gildarts: https://blog.ubuntu.com/2017/12/01/ubuntu-bionic-netplan might prove of help.
[23:22] <matsaman> gildarts: apt-cache rdepends
[23:27] <gildarts> Bashing-om: Thanks! Though now I'm wondering why my install has the cloud-init file when I did a server install. XD
[23:28] <gildarts> Thanks matsaman.
[23:33] <Bashing-om> gildarts: Might do some homework on that cloud-init file. "think" I read where if you do not interact with a cloud instance to remove the file.
[23:33] <cluelessperson_> how do you manage sleep/suspend timing settings in ubuntu/
[23:33] <cluelessperson_> I can't seem to find that option
[23:36] <bigfluff> Oy, what does everyone use for an email client?
[23:37] <cluelessperson_> bigfluff, gmail, thunderbird
[23:37] <matsaman> cluelessperson_: settings > power, probably
[23:38] <sarnold> bigfluff: mutt
[23:38] <Bashing-om> vila: sylpheed here.
[23:38] <matsaman> bigfluff: email is stupid, but if you have to use it, those are fine ^
[23:38] <bigfluff> Trying to stay out of the Google ecosystem, specifically
[23:38] <bigfluff> Yeah, I'm moving away from mutt actually, looking for something outside of terminal
[23:39] <matsaman> sylpheed is a good suggestion if you don't need something approximating parity with outlook
[23:39] <matsaman> otherwise look at thunderbird or evolution
[23:41] <bigfluff> I'm looking between Thunderbird and Evolution, but I though there was some talk a while back about Mozilla dropping the project
[23:42] <matsaman> don't think so, not at this time
[23:42] <matsaman> but you could use icedove I guess instead
[23:49] <cluelessperson_> matsaman, there's no option concerning whether or not the machine suspends and in how long after screen off
[23:58] <tiox> Ubuntu Kylin help: UI is in zh_CN, want ti in en_US.
[23:58] <tiox> Want it, rather. Where in UKUI is language? Magic terminal commands would be nice.
[23:59] <matsaman> cluelessperson_: oh, is that plain Ubuntu?