[00:12] <AgusLin47> Hello?
[01:11] <AgusLinux> Hello
[01:11] <well_laid_lawn> !hi
[01:11] <well_laid_lawn> !ask
[01:13] <well_laid_lawn> !bot
[03:59] <Romano> Bonjour tout le monde
[03:59] <well_laid_lawn> !fr
[03:59] <Romano> sorry
[04:00] <Romano> hello every one
[04:00] <well_laid_lawn> no problem
[04:00] <Romano> my english is poor so i'll trie to explain
[04:00] <well_laid_lawn> ok
[04:35] <bernardo> hola.... hello
[04:36] <bernardo> please I need your help
[04:36] <bernardo> I have xubuntu 18.04.1 and the phyton 3 post-installation crash
[04:37] <bernardo> can't install nothing
[04:37] <bernardo> give me error in terminal
[04:37] <tomreyn> can you show this error?
[04:37] <tomreyn> !
[04:37] <tomreyn> !paste
[04:40] <bernardo> I  recopilate information wait please
[04:51] <bernardo> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/RxyXysvhjP/
[04:52] <bernardo> I do'nt how paste, the url have the line command
[04:53] <bernardo> also, I use sudo apt-cache policy hplip     this command give me: hplip:  Instalados: (ninguno)  Candidato:  3.17.10+repack0-5  Tabla de versión:     3.17.10+repack0-5 500        500 http://cl.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu bionic/main i386 Packages
[04:54] <bernardo> Can help me please? thank
[04:56] <tomreyn> sudo dpkg --purge hplip-data
[04:56] <tomreyn> sudo dpkg --configure -a
[04:56] <tomreyn> sudo apt update
[04:56] <tomreyn> sudo apt -f install
[04:58] <tomreyn> sudo apt install --reinstall hplip hplip-data
[04:58] <tomreyn> this is bug 1766020
[05:02] <bernardo> ok, I try, wati
[05:02] <bernardo> wait
[05:05] <tomreyn> you can run   export LANG=C    to get english language command output
[05:06] <tomreyn> (it will last until you close this terminal window only)
[05:08] <xu-help50w> hi
[05:09] <xu-help50w> im looking for help in figuring out which version of xubuntu to download 32 or 64 bit
[05:11] <diogenes_> xu-help50w, 64 bit is recommended.
[05:12] <bernardo> my version is 32bits
[05:13] <bernardo> thanks for your help, it was solved
[05:14] <bernardo> Thank you so much
[05:15] <xu-help50w> it's an old computer, maybe 15 years
[05:17] <xu-help50w> currently running windows vista 32 bit, but don't know if that because it couldn't run the 64 bit or because i pressed the wrong button installing it
[05:17] <bernardo> no, it is a computer from 2 years ago, but the only version of xubuntu that I had on hand was 32 bits
[05:18] <diogenes_> xu-help50w, what CPU?
[05:18] <xu-help50w> bernardo, i think maybe we're asking the same question here
[05:18] <bernardo> amd
[05:19] <xu-help50w> intel core 2 duo t7300
[05:20] <diogenes_>  Intel® 64 ‡ Yes
[05:20] <diogenes_> Instruction Set 64-bit
[05:21] <bernardo> friends, thanks for your help. Here in Chile it is 1AM, tomorrow I must open my store and I must go to sleep. thanks for your wisdom. good night or day to everyone
[05:21] <diogenes_> xu-help50w, your CPU can run 64 bit.
[05:22] <xu-help50w> great, thank you diogenes_
[05:22] <diogenes_> you're welcome.
[05:54]  * ball installs Xubuntu ...again
[06:00] <xu-help27w> im running xubuntu from usb. I've just installed webcamoid, but it won't launch. Any advice please?
[06:00] <ball> What is a webcamoid?
[06:01] <tomreyn> !info webcamoid
[06:02] <xu-help27w> it's a webcam suite for viewing my camera https://webcamoid.github.io/
[06:02] <tomreyn> hmm it actually does exist in bionic/universe
[06:04] <ball> Does it need certain specific webcams?
[06:05] <xu-help27w> on a different computer i'm running ubuntu and it used the inbuilt camera, there's an option to switch if more are available
[06:06] <ball> Hmm... ok
[06:06] <kryten> tomreyn: Funnily enough, it worked in PM now.. >_>
[06:07] <tomreyn> run it from a terminal, this may provide output hinting on why it wont run
[06:07] <kryten> !info webcamoid
[06:07] <diogenes_> xu-help27w, why not using guvcview?
[06:08] <tomreyn> kryten: maybe it's the 500 error packages.u.c. keeps throwing on the first non-cached request
[06:08] <tomreyn> for a year or so now
[06:08] <xu-help27w> literally just enter the command webcamoid
[06:08] <xu-help27w> ?
[06:09] <tomreyn> xu-help27w: probably, yes. i don't know what's the proper command to run it, but it's likely just that
[06:09] <xu-help27w> diogenes_ just because I googled webcam apps and this one was the most reccomended
[06:10] <xu-help27w> segmentation fault (core dumped)
[06:10] <tomreyn> maybe this makes it less recommendable
[06:11] <xu-help27w> is it because I'm running of usb instead of a fully installed version of xbuntu?
[06:11] <tomreyn> which xubuntu version is this, is it fully updated?
[06:12] <kryten> tomreyn: Since it doesn't call packages.u.c for this though, but rather use a dedicated APT cache for each version it supports, I'm more thinking the latter was out of date or erroneous or something.
[06:12] <kryten> Anyway...
[06:12] <tomreyn> oh ok
[06:13] <xu-help27w> im not ignoring you, trying to figure out version
[06:14] <kryten> tomreyn: Seems I have more luck than you on using the site though. >_>
[06:15] <ball> I should probably leave this installation running overnight.
[06:15] <kryten> Overnight delivery! XD
[06:15] <xu-help27w> im going to say version 18.04.4 lts
[06:16] <tomreyn> kryten: hmm i can't seem to trigger any 500's also right now. and the site is unusually fast, too.
[06:17] <tomreyn> xu-help27w: so is this a proper installation you wrote to a usb stick or is it an installer image written to a usb stick?
[06:18] <xu-help27w> i downloaded the .iso and then wrote it to the usb
[06:19] <tomreyn> i see. you'll better install properly then.
[06:19] <xu-help27w> why isn't that properly?
[06:20] <xu-help27w> i used disk image writer
[06:20] <tomreyn> it's stuck on the kernel version it was on when it released. software updates only "install" to a RAM disk. if you run out of RAM the file system becomes unreliable.
[06:21] <xu-help27w> what does that mean?
[06:21] <tomreyn> that you should install properly
[06:22] <xu-help27w> my bootable usb has been made incorrectly or I need to dive in and just install to the hard drive?
[06:22] <tomreyn> you should use the installer usb stick you created to install to the hard disk or some other (may be removable) storage which you'll then boot off
[06:23] <ball> Ah if only it would fit on an Iomega Zip disk! ;-)
[06:24] <xu-help27w> even this computer isn't old enough for a zip drive
[06:24] <xu-help27w> im booting from usb now. Should I restart to install, or can I use the option from within xubuntu?
[06:25] <ball> xu-help27w: Does the computer have a hard disk or SSD that you don't mind wiping?
[06:25] <ball> (no document files on it)
[06:25] <ball> (no photos or important software?)
[06:26] <xu-help27w> I was hoping to test that linux was working for me before committing to wipe
[06:26] <xu-help27w> can i upload images here?
[06:27] <tomreyn> !screenshot
[06:28] <xu-help27w> no, I want to show you a connector on the laptop so you can tell me what it does so I can find out if i'm correct
[06:28] <ball> I think my installation's nearly done!
[06:29] <tomreyn> so take a photo and uploasd it and post the link to where you uploaded it
[06:29]  * ball predicts it's the laptop's belly button.
[06:30] <tomreyn> running    journalctl -b | grep DMI:    should report which laptop model and firmware you have there
[06:30] <ball> This computer sort of needs a case.
[06:31] <tomreyn> looks like you just made a case for a case.
[06:31] <tomreyn> now get the ball rolling, ball.
[06:37] <xu-help27w> https://imgur.com/a/IlCLytT
[06:37] <ball> tomreyn: Can't afford it.
[06:37] <xu-help27w> sorry for the delay, computers and i are not friends currently
[06:38] <xu-help27w> what's the one on the left?
[06:38] <ball> Line in?
[06:38] <ball> Might be line out, let me check.
[06:38] <xu-help27w> what kind of line?
[06:38] <tomreyn> audio
[06:38] <tomreyn> all of these three are about audio
[06:38] <ball> 1V peak-peak analogue audio.
[06:39] <ball> the headphone jack apparently also supports digital out, perhaps optical.
[06:39] <ball> (check the manual)
[06:39] <xu-help27w> ugh, I was hoping i could use it to connect my webcam, which has RCA cables
[06:39] <ball> xu-help27w: None of these are video.
[06:40] <xu-help27w> ah crap!
[06:40] <ball> I'm told blue is line in.
[06:41] <ball> Green is supposedly line out but I've seen it used more for headphone and speaker jacks (same concept but different Voltage levels)
[06:42] <ball> For a camera with composite video output, you'd need a video capture card/device with composite video in.
[06:42] <ball> What sort of camera is it?
[06:43] <ball> The video capture device is likely to cost more than a replacement camera unless you have very special camera needs.
[06:43] <ball> (e.g. microscope, night vision, CCTV etc.)
[06:43] <ball> Does your camera have a microphone built in?
[06:45] <xu-help27w> similar to this one https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0017HRO36?tag=httpwwwfuadph-20
[06:45] <xu-help27w> yes, it has a microphone
[06:45] <xu-help27w> colour and ir
[06:46] <xu-help27w> you can get cheap video capture things, but not tomorrow. I had hoped to bypass by using another laptop
[06:46] <xu-help27w> but wrong connectors ;(
[06:47]  * ball waits for the page to load...
[06:49] <ball> ...and waits...
[06:50] <ali1234> analog usb video capture is very cheap
[06:50] <ball> ali1234: I have one beside me but that's PCI iirc.
[06:51] <ball> Not sure how well it performs.
[06:51] <xu-help27w> from an actual store, or just when buying online? I've been quoted $50cad
[06:51] <ali1234> china special on ebay will cost you about 10 dollars
[06:51] <xu-help27w> but can't have it tomorrow
[06:51] <ali1234> analog capture is always rubbish though
[06:52] <ball> ali1234: Sometimes it's intentionally rubbish though.
[06:54] <ball> Still, you'd plug the yellow cable into your video capture interface and the white one into the left channel channel of the blue connector.
[06:54] <ball> ...and I think the red there is just to power the camera.
[06:54] <ali1234> no
[06:54] <ball> You'd need some video capture software.
[06:54] <ball> slickymaster: no what?
[06:55] <ali1234> yellow is composite video, red and white are stereo audio
[06:55] <ball> ali1234: The red shown isn't an RCA jack.
[06:55] <ball> ...and I doubt it has a stereo mic.
[06:55] <ball> rca plug*
[06:55] <ali1234> well then, don't try to plug it into a standard capture card
[06:56] <ball> ali1234: No, that's probably a DC barrel connector
[06:56] <ball> (to power the camera)
[06:56] <xu-help27w> red is power
[06:56]  * ball nods
[06:56]  * ball tries to remember the EIA/CCIR mono standards...
[06:58] <ali1234> https://www.amazon.ca/Capture-Device-Adapter-Converter-Support/dp/B00S7ZELXC/ref=sr_1_14?keywords=usb+video+capture&qid=1586761067&sr=8-14
[06:58] <ball> xu-help27w: What country are you in?
[06:58] <xu-help27w> canada
[06:58] <ali1234> the same one is $5 on aliexpress
[06:58] <ali1234> (USD)
[07:04] <ball> ali1234: How much is a 400-line USB video capture thinggy these days?
[07:04] <ali1234> what do you mean by 400 line?
[07:08] <ball> ali1234: Captures both fields and presents the computer with one 400-line image per frame (30 per second)
[07:09] <ball> Years ago, cheaper models captures one field and threw the other away, resulting in 200-line scans.
[07:10] <ball> Hopefully those are no longer a thing.
[07:10] <ali1234> seems pointles, it would just be doing nothing for one field... probably a USB bandwidth limitation
[07:11] <ball> ...that and it saved having to buffer both fields.
[07:12] <ali1234> i dont know of any that can do true framegrabbing except the domesday duplicator, that costs about $500 and you have to build it yourself
[07:13]  * ball is on the Domesday Discs :-)
[07:16] <xu-help27w> well i'm feeling defeated. thanks for all your help, i'm going to go and cry myself to sleep now
[07:16] <ball> CCIR System M.
[07:16] <ball> xu-help27w: We're not done with you yet.
[07:16] <ball> ;-)
[07:19] <ball> ali1234: Have you seen any USB 3 video capture devices or are they all USB 2?
[07:19] <ali1234> yeah, domesday duplicator
[07:19] <ali1234> but really that is just a high speed daq
[07:21] <ball> To install a .deb file on Xubuntu, would I just double-click it and follow the software centre's prompts?
[07:21]  * ball tries it.
[07:45] <tomreyn> ideally you'd rather look for an apt repository that's compatible to your xubuntu release and provides this package, and use this repository, so you'll have an upgrade path.
[07:51]  * ball nods
[07:51] <ball> In this case I don't think that was an option but that's ok, it worked.
[07:51] <ball> Handy to know for future reference though.
[07:52] <tomreyn> you can also    apt install /path/to/packagefile.deb
[07:54] <ball> Thanks tomreyn
[11:04] <xu-help83w> Hi everzbodz
[14:57] <victor55> Hello is someone here for help please?
[14:57] <TDO|Denton> Um depends on the problem :)
[14:57] <diogenes_> !ask | victor55
[14:58] <TDO|Denton> !patience
[14:58] <TDO|Denton> Oh yeah, I need such a msg for my channel on QuakeNet. ;-)
[14:59] <victor55> I got a slow boot up time. https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/nvQdQQyV5c/ What should i do ?
[15:08] <diogenes_> victor55, to disable postresql sevices.
[15:09] <victor55> How to disable them please?
[15:11] <diogenes_> victor55, sudo systemctl disable postgresql@9.3-main && sudo systemctl disable postgresql@9.5-main && sudo systemctl disable postgresql@10-main && sudo systemctl mask postgresql@9.3-main && sudo systemctl mask postgresql@9.5-main && sudo systemctl mask postgresql@10-main
[15:11] <diogenes_> all in once command.
[15:12] <victor55> Created symlink /etc/systemd/system/postgresql@9.3-main.service → /dev/null.Created symlink /etc/systemd/system/postgresql@9.5-main.service → /dev/null.Created symlink /etc/systemd/system/postgresql@10-main.service → /dev/null.
[15:13] <victor55> Is it ok for you ?
[15:13] <diogenes_> looks good reboot.
[16:07] <TDO|Denton> Um. Why was the service active in the first place?
 postgresql is a database server. it's not installed by default, so *someone* must have installed it (maybe you?).
 Yes maybe a long time ago
[16:41] <tomreyn> ^ from #lubuntu, where they x posted to
[16:48] <TDO|Denton> oh I see. thx
[17:17] <xubuntu-new-user> Hi
[17:18] <diogenes_> !hi
[17:18] <TDO|Denton> ?
[17:19] <diogenes_> !?
[17:19] <TDO|Denton> :)
[17:55] <xubuntu-new-user> what is system requirments for xubuntu ?
[18:00] <diogenes_> !xubuntu
[18:03] <diogenes_> !requirements
[18:03] <diogenes_> or here: https://xubuntu.org/requirements/
[18:04] <xubuntu-new-user> will it run faster than kubuntu with kde ?
[18:04] <xubuntu-new-user> in same laptop
[18:06] <diogenes_> absolutely
[18:31] <xubuntu-new-user> what about softwares ?
[18:31] <xubuntu-new-user> is the software publication is the same as kubuntu, ubuntu ?
[18:33] <kryten> xubuntu-new-user: All Ubuntu flavors share the same software repositories, so yes.
[18:35] <xubuntu-new-user> how can I check if there is full translation of the dekstop to my local language ?
[18:41] <kryten> Depends a bit on which one that is exactly, but every one could technically be tested on a Live medium (installation image).
[21:09] <Suz> Hello everyone, I'm trying to find out which services to disable (which wouldn't cause any problems) after "systemd-analyze blame" to find out why my laptop is so slow to boot. Can I share it with you to guide me please?
[21:11] <Suz> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/QSjR4wP5Mv/
[21:17] <brainwash> Suz: try "systemd-analyze critical-chain"
[21:18] <Suz> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/hrpdQFnSch/
[21:20] <brainwash>                       └─dev-zram3.swap @56.743s
[21:20] <brainwash>                         └─systemd-journald.socket @6.170s
[21:21] <brainwash> bug 1781746
[21:25] <Suz> what should i do please?
[21:25] <Suz> Xubuntu 18.04.3
[21:26] <Suz> I'm a beginner... And I don't want to do something wrong.
[21:29] <brainwash> not sure
[21:29] <brainwash> I did not read the bug report
[21:32] <brainwash> your system is probably up-to-date
[21:32] <Suz> off course
[21:32] <Suz> of*
[21:32] <brainwash> what does "apt policy initramfs-tools" return?
[21:33] <brainwash> it will show you the installed package version
[21:40] <Suz> bionic...
[21:40] <Suz> 0.130ubuntu3.9
[21:44] <Suz> I'm back
[21:44] <Suz> ?
[21:45] <Suz> i was disconnected
[21:45] <brainwash> the version is the correct one
[21:46] <brainwash> and the linked bug report is marked as fixed
[21:46] <Suz> ? I don't understand
[21:46] <Suz> I don't know understand how to fix it even it is marked as fixed.
[21:47] <brainwash> the obvious thing to do is to uninstall zram-config and see if that helps
[21:47] <Suz> ok thanks
[21:48] <Suz> can you give the link of the bug again please
[21:48] <brainwash> bug 1781746
[21:49] <brainwash> !info zram-config
[21:49] <Suz> if i delete zram-config it will bug?
[21:50] <brainwash> no idea
[21:50] <brainwash> and no idea why you have it installed in the first place
[21:50] <brainwash> I don't think it's part of a default installation
[21:51] <brainwash> to make sure you could ask in #ubuntu
[22:08] <tomreyn> zram-config is in universe, certainly not installed by default
[22:32] <kryten> Heh, comparing the two initial pastes from here and #lubuntu where they crossposted to, its obvious they doctored the output to say "xubuntu" and "lubuntu" respectively - the latter of which zram-config is indeed installed on by default.  Just the timing of both the pastes and the postings is actually the other way around. >_>
[23:23] <TheCoolest[m]> Hey, I'm having issues with WiFi.
[23:23] <TheCoolest[m]> While it shows connected, the internet cuts out randomly until I disconnect and reconnect. This is not an issue on any other device of mine.
[23:24] <TheCoolest[m]> Also I use Privoxy and I don't know if that could have something to do with it
[23:41] <TheCoolest[m]> I think I've narrowed it down to ath10k firmware but I'm confused at any ways I find for trying to fix it