[20:05] <RikMills> valorie: sorry to hate on kmail, but you don't have to build it :P
[20:06] <valorie> well, I haven't used it for years
[20:06] <valorie> stopped sending mail .... while reporting that it had
[20:06] <valorie> tried everything fossy
[20:06] <valorie> went to gmail and there I remain
[20:07] <valorie> eventually I may set up kmail again and see if it can lure me back to "real" email
[20:08] <RikMills> Yeah, email clients are not great nowaways somehow
[20:08] <valorie> I get why companies want them
[20:13] <valorie> after re-reading the phab, and now that you've got the new PIM in
[20:13] <valorie> perhaps we can do some testing and decide whether or not to add back to our ISO for 20.10
[20:14] <valorie> maybe by then the gmail cr*p will be fixed
[20:15] <RikMills> It won't. that was in the kaccounts packages which are not part of this PIM update, and still are not great
[20:16] <valorie> well, part of it is bad policy, and there is work to streamline the policies
[20:17] <RikMills> and honestly, it is too late. final freeze is in 2 days, and that phab discussion was not based on us having OLD PIM, just any PIM
[20:17] <valorie> they are overly verbose which gives Google the willies, I guess
[20:17] <valorie> 20.10 I said
[20:17] <valorie> not the upcoming
[20:17] <RikMills> I think best option is to nicely document how to install PIM
[20:18] <valorie> you've already given your all to get qt and the other new stuff in
[20:18] <valorie> for which you deserve laurels
[20:18] <valorie> and kudos
[20:18] <valorie> :-)
[20:18] <valorie> thank you for your great work
[20:18] <RikMills> oh, sorry, I misread the version! thanks :)
[20:19] <RikMills> then yes, that discussion can be had
[20:19] <valorie> that will give us plenty of testing time
[20:19] <valorie> whenever we get to "life as usual'
[20:19] <valorie> which I can hardly remember
[20:20] <RikMills> Trump will have it back to normal in just a few weeks ;)
[20:20] <valorie> riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight
[20:20] <valorie> like Boris did
[20:21] <valorie> we're still testing less than 1% of people here
[20:21] <valorie> no possible way to get back to normal with that pitiful number
[20:22] <RikMills> yep, much the same here. it is short term'ish coming back to bite us hard
[20:23] <RikMills> *ism
[20:24] <valorie> so many of these "we're #1! 'leaders'" are getting bit
[20:24] <valorie> or rather, their populations
[20:29] <RikMills> you would hope that would lead to change, but sadly I suspect the public in their countries suffer from the same short term memory loss, and may not fully punish them
[20:35] <valorie> well, and so many power grabs taking place right now, under the radar of the public
[20:36] <valorie> hard for me to know what's going on the minds of most murricans, out here in my liberal bubble
[20:36] <valorie> one of my friends tried to talk me into watching the trump show every day "because it will make you feel better"
[20:36] <valorie> !
[20:37] <valorie> it would leave me fuming, instead
[20:37] <valorie> "you don't have to watch it on FOX, you can watch on CNN" like that would make a difference