=== jphilips_ is now known as jphilips [20:05] valorie: sorry to hate on kmail, but you don't have to build it :P [20:06] well, I haven't used it for years [20:06] stopped sending mail .... while reporting that it had [20:06] tried everything fossy [20:06] went to gmail and there I remain [20:07] eventually I may set up kmail again and see if it can lure me back to "real" email [20:08] Yeah, email clients are not great nowaways somehow [20:08] I get why companies want them [20:13] after re-reading the phab, and now that you've got the new PIM in [20:13] perhaps we can do some testing and decide whether or not to add back to our ISO for 20.10 [20:14] maybe by then the gmail cr*p will be fixed [20:15] It won't. that was in the kaccounts packages which are not part of this PIM update, and still are not great [20:16] well, part of it is bad policy, and there is work to streamline the policies [20:17] and honestly, it is too late. final freeze is in 2 days, and that phab discussion was not based on us having OLD PIM, just any PIM [20:17] they are overly verbose which gives Google the willies, I guess [20:17] 20.10 I said [20:17] not the upcoming [20:17] I think best option is to nicely document how to install PIM [20:18] you've already given your all to get qt and the other new stuff in [20:18] for which you deserve laurels [20:18] and kudos [20:18] :-) [20:18] thank you for your great work [20:18] oh, sorry, I misread the version! thanks :) [20:19] then yes, that discussion can be had [20:19] that will give us plenty of testing time [20:19] whenever we get to "life as usual' [20:19] which I can hardly remember [20:20] Trump will have it back to normal in just a few weeks ;) [20:20] riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight [20:20] like Boris did [20:21] we're still testing less than 1% of people here [20:21] no possible way to get back to normal with that pitiful number [20:22] yep, much the same here. it is short term'ish coming back to bite us hard [20:23] *ism [20:24] so many of these "we're #1! 'leaders'" are getting bit [20:24] or rather, their populations [20:29] you would hope that would lead to change, but sadly I suspect the public in their countries suffer from the same short term memory loss, and may not fully punish them [20:35] well, and so many power grabs taking place right now, under the radar of the public [20:36] hard for me to know what's going on the minds of most murricans, out here in my liberal bubble [20:36] one of my friends tried to talk me into watching the trump show every day "because it will make you feel better" [20:36] ! [20:37] it would leave me fuming, instead [20:37] "you don't have to watch it on FOX, you can watch on CNN" like that would make a difference