 welcome @fernandocompri
 @philipz thanks!
[03:36] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[03:39] <guiverc> keithzg[m], what DE/installed system are you using?  sddm is default for lubuntu
[04:24] <Eickmeyer> guiverc: I'm 90% sure keithzg[m] is using Kubuntu.
[04:25] <guiverc> :) thanks Eickmeyer, makes sense
[04:38] <keithzg[m]> Yup, using Kubuntu; tried purging and reinstalling `sddm`, no dice
[04:40] <keithzg[m]> (Currently not at home, which us where I left my laptop, but eager to hear things I could try to pinpoint the problem with once I get home.)
[04:49] <Bloog> Testing the latest Kubuntu 20.04 here.  I'm seeing the messed-up desktop icon captions again, using the proprietary nvidia driver (440.82).  It's just like the long-standing bug that was finally fixed not long ago, but it's back!  Has this already been reported?
[04:50] <Bloog> After S3 that is
 Kubuntu no sound.  ubuntu, lubuntu, xubuntu  sound ok
[05:31] <guiverc> @AlexeyNikitin01, did you notice any difference with lshw & how sound was recognized? (I wouldn't expected a difference) b/w kubuntu & others that worked?
 I can't see any difference (but I'm no dev), maybe you should file a bug (ubuntu-bug kubuntu-settings-desktop (or kubuntu-desktop given it's kubuntu only) .. I can't see why it would be that package only (I'd expect linux or kernel, but being only kubuntu is why I've opted for kubuntu package)).  Don't be alarmed if package is changed though (ie. just blame me).  Filing bug will all
 Z10PE-D16 WS  no sound kubuntu
 20.04 ))) ubuntu, lubuntu, xubuntu  sound  all ok
[12:03] <keithzg[m]> So is `startx` expected to work from a VT in 20.04, or is it immediately exiting without printing or logging any obvious errors just another example of the problems I'm having?
[12:08] <keithzg[m]> Ah, there's no default xinitrc anymore I guess? Well I can get a working Xorg session going with a working mouse pointer and all manually, anyways, so maybe it's time for me to submit a bug against `sddm`. Although maybe first it's time to try and sleep since it's 6AM here, hah!
 netboot iso not downloading http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/408/builds/210701/downloads
 the url has changed
 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/focal/main/installer-amd64/20101020ubuntu611/legacy-images/netboot/mini.iso
 Thanks
[18:12] <lotuspsychje> hey jphilips
 hey lotuspsychje
 been here all day, but had to restart my router :D
[18:13] <lotuspsychje> oh i see :p
 how things going on your end
[18:14] <lotuspsychje> great here, what about yourself?
 good here. filling alot of icon theme bugs for xubuntu upstream :D
[18:15] <lotuspsychje> lovely, always busy :p
 In Kubuntu and Lubuntu, Qt team landed the 5.12.8 Qt bugfix update today. We updated from 5.12.5. So testing of everything and anything Qt/KDE with that update will be useful. As a bugfix update, should hopefully be no regressions, but you never know...
 ^^ actually anyone on any flavour who uses a Qt based app
[18:29] <lotuspsychje> yeah just noticed in updates, tnx RikMills
 should have landed earlier, but the new riscv64 enable last week threw a box of spanners in the works 🙄
 should have landed earlier, but the new riscv64 architecture enabled in the archive last week threw a box of spanners in the works 🙄 (edited)
 Did anyone have issue with qtbase-abi-5-12-5 ?
 Did anyone have issue with qtbase-abi-5-12-5 all of a sudden. ? (edited)
 You would, as that is now superseded with 5.12.8 (re @arunpyasi: Did anyone have issue with qtbase-abi-5-12-5 all of a sudden. ?)
 What will not install? (re @arunpyasi: Did anyone have issue with qtbase-abi-5-12-5 all of a sudden. ?)
[19:07] <lotuspsychje> new bug #1872802 reported in +1
 having a conflict resulting in broken package 🅿️ (re @RikMills: What will not install?)
 The packages are asking for the virtual package qtbase-abi-5-12-5 but they are not getting it.
 What packages? (re @arunpyasi: The packages are asking for the virtual package qtbase-abi-5-12-5 but they are not getting it.)
 calamares?
 PPA : dde-desktop (re @RikMills: What packages?)
 i'lll sp-
 oh ok
 Well, in the Cinnamon city
 not related to ubuntu universe
 Python is famously known for breaking things
 Qt may have a similar story
 Python is famously known for breaking things on updates (edited)
 It it a PPA, then that is their problem. They need to rebuild their packages against Qt 5.12.8 (re @arunpyasi: PPA : dde-desktop)
 I see 🅿️ (re @RikMills: It it a PPA, then that is their problem. They need to rebuild their packages against Qt 5.12.8)
 Its my problem now :D hehe (re @RikMills: It it a PPA, then that is their problem. They need to rebuild their packages against Qt 5.12.8)
 The new Qt version only landed in release in the archive today, so they probably have not realised yet
 Oh, TBH this virtualpackage is sometimes hard to deal with,. (re @RikMills: The new Qt version only landed in release in the archive today, so they probably have not realised yet)
 and it only provides libqt5core5a 🅿️
 It is there for a good reason. It forces packages to be rebuilt, that otherwise would simply crash on trying to run if they were not (re @arunpyasi: Oh, TBH this virtualpackage is sometimes hard to deal with,.)
 Oh, OK. (re @RikMills: It is there for a good reason. It forces packages to be rebuilt, that otherwise would simply crash on trying to run if they were not)
 So, everytime I have an update/superseed of the virtualpackage, I will need to rebuild my packages ?
 @RikMills  ^
 Whoever provide the packages will need to. Usually it not a great issue as the bumps are rare, but they do happen in a Ubuntu dev release from time to time (re @arunpyasi: So, everytime I have an update/superseed of the virtualpackage, I will need to rebuild my packages ?)
 Oh OK :) (re @RikMills: Whoever provide the packages will need to. Usually it not a great issue as the bumps are rare, but they do happen in a Ubuntu dev release from time to time)
 Thanks for the help @RikMills  :)
 For example, this is what I had to rebuild in the archive for the latest bump

 Oh, you manage those packages ? (re @RikMills: )
 With other people (re @arunpyasi: Oh, you manage those packages ?)
 wow ! :D (re @RikMills: With other people)
 They are all in universe
 New KDE PIM also now landing in Kubuntu!

[19:40] <valorie> wow, that's a victory for @RikMills!
[19:40] <valorie> all hail!
[19:41] <valorie> he hath slain the monster
 as long as it works!
[19:48] <Eickmeyer> Wooow!
[19:48] <Eickmeyer> Does it actually work?
[19:48] <Eickmeyer> Oh, unknown.
 should do. I committed to fixing it if not. GULP!
[19:52] <Eickmeyer> @RikMills Your funeral. 😂
 :D (re @RikMills: should do. I committed to fixing it if not. GULP!)
 no way could have supported the OLD version we did have for 3 years, so not much choice
[19:54] <Eickmeyer> So, Thunderbird is the default PIM right now, plan on going back to the KDE PIM?
 Might think about it for interim 9 month supported releases. Will have to have that discussion (re @ubuntutesting_bot: [irc] <Eickmeyer> So, Thunderbird is the default PIM right now, plan on going back to the KDE PIM?)
[19:56] <Eickmeyer> I'm just wondering for my own nerfarious purposes.
 We will update it as we can no matter what. Juts may not seed it
 We will update it as we can no matter what. Just may not seed it (edited)
 Studio controls their own seeds ;)
 Yes. Yes we do.
 For the record, I use thunderbird :)
 I'll admit, I'm not a gigantic Thunderbird fan, but it works with my family's shared calendars, like the one we have set-up for my son's homeschooling.
 It's not pretty, but it works
 https://phabridogor.kde.org/T12486
 Nate there advodoging for Thunderbird is https://pointieststick.com/
 So the main 'usability' guy for KDE won't use PIM 😂 🙄
[20:02] <valorie> do you mean https://phabricator.kde.org/T12486 ?
[20:02] <valorie> @RikMills
[20:02] <valorie> last I used tbird I loathed it
[20:02] <valorie> back to gmail on the web
[20:03] <valorie> used to adore kmail though
 Lat I used kmail I loathed it
[20:09] <valorie> well, it stopped working
[20:09] <valorie> said it had sent email when it had not
[20:09] <valorie> that was a long time ago, so
 Just downloaded UbuntuMATE 20.04, fired it up in KVM... when I log in, it logs me out after 5-10 seconds.
 i'll install it on a laptop now, to see what's going to happen
 why is installer no longer creating SWAP partition, but instead puts swap in a file ?
[21:00] <valorie> that's the way it has been for years
[21:00] <valorie> !swap
 valorie: do you know why?
 I'm almost 100% that trusty and xenial created a swap partition
[21:05] <valorie> it's better
 how is swap file better than swap partition?
[21:05] <valorie> I remember trusty.....
 performance wise it's the same
[21:05] <valorie> lol
[21:05] <valorie> so long ago
 but this complidoges maintenance - I only recenlty realized that I'm happiliy backing up my swap file :)
[21:06] <valorie> the faq above is all I know
[21:06] <valorie> complidoges?
 @RikMills  There are few packages in universe that needs to be compiled for qtbase-abi-5-12-8 . They are autosynced from Debian. Is there a way we can update them ?
[21:06] <valorie> what?
 easier to resize (re @MrkiMike: how is swap file better than swap partition?)
 that's ... good reason :)
 I'll still move it back to a partition once install finishes... it's just... I'm old :D
 @RikMills  There are few packages in universe that needs to be compiled for qtbase-abi-5-12-8 . They are autosynced from Debian. Is there a way we can recompile them ? (edited)
 i dont care :)
[21:08] <valorie> aha, the faq mentions both
 careless, ey? :D (re @popeydc: i dont care :))
 There are way more things I care about than swap.
 I love UbuntuMATE. I'm so sorry I didn't hug Martin properly when I met him in Malta a year or two ago :D
 MiB Mem :  31995.6 total,  10536.6 free,  15920.5 used,   5538.5 buff/cache
 MiB Swap:   2048.0 total,   1925.9 free,    122.1 used.  13920.0 avail Mem
[21:08] <valorie> @MrkiMike I'm old too -- how does that make a difference?
 heh
 They have all been done (re @arunpyasi: @RikMills  There are few packages in universe that needs to be compiled for qtbase-abi-5-12-8 . They are autosynced from Debian. Is there a way we can recompile them ?)
 for repackaging you mean ?
 I see https://packages.ubuntu.com/focal/libdtkwidget2 is still showing 5-12-8 :D Let me know :D (re @RikMills: They have all been done)
 valorie i'm hard to adapt to new things. For instance, I upgraded ubuntuMate trusty to bionic the other day and I was sooooo happy that none of the snaps are installed (as trusty didn't have that :D )
[21:10] <valorie> time marches on, which is why I'm old
[21:10] <valorie> lol
[21:10] <valorie> and things change
 Yes, 5-12-8 there is correct, after it was rebuilt (re @arunpyasi: for repackaging you mean ?
 I see https://packages.ubuntu.com/focal/libdtkwidget2 is still showing 5-12-8 :D Let me know :D)
 Oh, sorry :D (re @RikMills: Yes, 5-12-8 there is correct, after it was rebuilt)
 hehe I misread :D
 Thank you very much :D
 @RikMills  :)
 @arunpyasi To be clear, there is QA in place that makes sure new Qt won't hit the release pocket in the archive, until all things that need rebuilding have been
 Thanks :) Sounds good to me. (re @RikMills: @arunpyasi To be clear, there is QA in place that makes sure new Qt won't hit the release pocket in the archive, until all things that need rebuilding have been)
 It is good, and annoying, but more good than anything else :P
 Yeah :D
 UbuntuMATE 20.04, so far, beautiful :D