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| Laney | vorlon: Good point, I'll add it to the agenda for the release sprint | 08:02 |
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| Laney | had planned to add a GG-cycle discussion there too | 08:02 |
| mwhudson | jibel: thanks for reviewing my^WLaney's code :) | 08:28 |
| Laney | sil2100: ^- can you share the link to the doc you're prepping so I can add those items please? :-) | 08:29 |
| * Laney elbow bumps mwhudson | 08:29 | |
| Unit193 | Hrm, is there somewhere I can push a package to see how Ubuntu's autopkgtest would handle it? | 08:30 |
| Laney | if you can upload: bileto, or you can trigger from a PPA: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ProposedMigration/#Testing_against_a_PPA | 08:31 |
| jibel | mwhudson, np | 08:32 |
| Unit193 | I'm only MOTU, so the second it is. Thanks, Laney! | 08:33 |
| Laney | Unit193: Test using autopkgtest-buildvm-ubuntu-cloud locally first, though | 08:34 |
| Laney | For most cases that's close enough to what you'll get | 08:34 |
| Unit193 | Laney: This shouldn't be one of those cases, I'm testing a specific quirk of the Ubuntu ADT stuff. In theory, one should pass and one should gracefully skip. | 08:35 |
| Laney | I'm interested what quirks we have there | 08:36 |
| rbasak | cpaelzer: so on upgrade from Bionic to Focal, chrony is being removed in favour of systemd-timesyncd? | 12:56 |
| rbasak | cpaelzer: ^? | 13:17 |
| rbasak | Have I understood the bug correctly? | 13:17 |
| cpaelzer | hi rbasak | 13:18 |
| cpaelzer | rbasak: what you mention is bug 1872902 | 13:19 |
| ubottu | bug 1872902 in ubuntu-release-upgrader (Ubuntu) "Upgrade to Focal now removes chrony" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1872902 | 13:19 |
| cpaelzer | which rbasak works on to fix in do-release-upgrader | 13:19 |
| cpaelzer | rbasak: if due to that (or any other condition) you have the new sytemd of focal and the old chrony | 13:19 |
| cpaelzer | rbasak: and then you remove the old chrony (which also happens on upgrade) | 13:19 |
| cpaelzer | then the crash triggers | 13:19 |
| rbasak | I think I follow, thanks. | 13:20 |
| cpaelzer | because the chrony postrm in bionic isn't tolerant to the case if systemd-timsyncd might be unsinatlled/masked/otherwise not there | 13:20 |
| rbasak | So this bug is still valid because if you remove chrony there's no longer any guarantee (and with the Conflicts it's impossible) that systemd-timesyncd will be available | 13:20 |
| cpaelzer | we added hardening a while ago but never needed it in bionic | 13:20 |
| rbasak | For 1872902, would a Conflicts/Replaces on chrony help? | 13:21 |
| cpaelzer | rbasak: for 1872902 no, that is what caused all of this - it was properly split out of systemd to be a package on its own with proper conflicts/breaks and so on | 13:21 |
| cpaelzer | rbasak: the issue is the dependency resolution in d-r-u it seems | 13:22 |
| rbasak | "Replaces allows the packaging system to resolve which package should be removed when there is a conflict" | 13:22 |
| cpaelzer | a blunt bionic/focal upgrade without do-release-upgrade will not remove it | 13:22 |
| cpaelzer | rbasak: this is multi-dimensional with openntp/ntp/chrony/sytemd-timesyncd | 13:23 |
| rbasak | OK | 13:23 |
| cpaelzer | xnox: and rbalint work on it and I'll leave it to them to pick their fix for 1872902 in focal | 13:23 |
| rbasak | Anyway, let me resolve the current SRU then | 13:23 |
| rbasak | Have I broken "git ubuntu clone chrony" in the edge channel? | 13:24 |
| cpaelzer | I only fetched in the recent days | 13:25 |
| cpaelzer | let me try | 13:26 |
| rbasak | Oh | 13:26 |
| rbasak | I think I might be running out of my source tree by accident | 13:26 |
| cpaelzer | it works for me on edge | 13:26 |
| cpaelzer | yep clone complete | 13:26 |
| rbasak | Thank you for checking | 13:26 |
| rbasak | Yep I've broken it in master I think, not published to edge yet | 13:27 |
| rbasak | Accepted, thanks! | 13:30 |
| Laney | bdmurray: any chance you could review https://code.launchpad.net/~marcustomlinson/update-manager/update-manager/+merge/382291 for marcustomlinson please? I got a bit close to writing the code for this one so I don't feel like a good reviewer any more. :-) | 13:59 |
| cpaelzer | mvo: stgraber: since it now re-occurred I guess I better ask you, is lxd being lockged (all lxd commands hang) until snapd was restarted a known issue | 14:31 |
| cpaelzer | I'm seeing this on s390x in 20.04 | 14:31 |
| cpaelzer | I can't really reproduce, but it is the second time I found the system in that state | 14:32 |
| cpaelzer | I'd mostly want to know what to look out for next time I might hit the case | 14:32 |
| stgraber | Hmm, not something we've seen reported so far. Having to restart snapd is pretty suspicious though, maybe related to the apparmor profile ordering change that went into snapd recently? | 14:33 |
| cpaelzer | any logs in particular that you'd want? | 14:33 |
| cpaelzer | last time I saw it maybe 4 weeks ago, so I'd not look for a recent change | 14:33 |
| stgraber | 'ps fauxww', 'systemctl -a', 'snap changes' and the journal output would be a good start I think | 14:34 |
| bdmurray | Laney: sure, I can have a look at that | 14:37 |
| cpaelzer | stgraber: mvo: I filed bug 1873004 for now | 14:41 |
| ubottu | bug 1873004 in snapd (Ubuntu) "lxd interaction blocked until snapd was restarted" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1873004 | 14:41 |
| mvo | cpaelzer: if you have the system in this state, does "SNAPD_DEBUG=1 lxc ..." show anything useful? can you attach the output of that as well? | 14:59 |
| mvo | cpaelzer: when you saw it last time, was it on s390x as well? | 14:59 |
| cpaelzer | mvo: yeah it always was on s390x so far | 15:05 |
| cpaelzer | I'll note the extra debug request on the bug for when it hangs agin | 15:05 |
| cpaelzer | again | 15:05 |
| hallyn | argh. my ubuntu-core-dev membership expired :( | 15:07 |
| hallyn | the reminders were lost in spam | 15:07 |
| hallyn | do i have to go through the whole process again ? :( | 15:07 |
| hallyn | (i noticed bc people.ubuntu.com/~serge-hallyn seemed to disappear :( ) | 15:07 |
| Laney | hallyn: email devel-permissions@lists.ubuntu.com and ask to be re-added | 15:08 |
| Laney | but if you haven't used your permissions in a while, maybe you want to ask for membership instead of upload access | 15:09 |
| hallyn | Laney: yeah, that's probably agood idea. i wouldn't want to push anything without lots of review these days anyway | 15:10 |
| hallyn | thanks | 15:10 |
| gQuigs | xnox: did you see this? https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/systemd-resolved#DNSSEC I read that as systemd giving up on DNSSEC.. | 15:37 |
| xnox | gQuigs: we have extra patches to make downgrade work better. | 15:38 |
| xnox | which i think are still not upstreamed | 15:38 |
| xnox | it is true the dnssec doesn't work still. | 15:38 |
| xnox | we do "maybe" | 15:39 |
| xnox | which i think is above DNSSEC=no, but below allow-downgrade. | 15:39 |
| xnox | not surprised | 15:39 |
| xnox | gQuigs: i don't know if we need to change any of our defaults. But my guess is that dns-over-tls is taking over, because that works, and dns-sec does not. | 15:40 |
| gQuigs | rgr,I don't see as dns-over-tls doing the same thing, but I guess it's something.. thanks | 15:43 |
| cpaelzer | rbasak: FYI https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/chrony/+bug/1872183/comments/12 in case you want to tweak the aging period anywhere that is the post to reply to | 16:12 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1872183 in chrony (Ubuntu) "package chrony 3.2-4ubuntu4.2 failed to install/upgrade: installed chrony package post-removal script subprocess returned error exit status 1" [Undecided,In progress] | 16:12 |
| rbasak | cpaelzer: I commented. I think it's appropriate to release to bionic-updates now, if you're happy? | 16:19 |
| rbasak | cpaelzer: do we need the Focal fix to land first for this to be effective? I think not? | 16:19 |
| rbasak | ^ I'd appreciate a second opinion on skipping the ageing period for this SRU please, if someone's around. | 16:20 |
| cpaelzer | rbasak: the change has no dependency on anything else it has to wait on | 16:22 |
| popey | Is there some reason why we point directly to specific mirrors on a default install, and don't use mirrors://mirrors.ubuntu.com/mirrors.txt to load balance things? Is it something we have considered? | 16:23 |
| rbasak | cpaelzer: it does look like there are unrelated autopkgtest failure | 16:25 |
| rbasak | s | 16:25 |
| cpaelzer | rbasak: taking a look | 16:26 |
| cpaelzer | I was just working on the related test failures in focal :-) see bug 1873031 | 16:26 |
| ubottu | bug 1873031 in systemd (Ubuntu) "245.4-2ubuntu1 has broken dhcp based NTP updates" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1873031 | 16:26 |
| cpaelzer | looking at bionic now | 16:27 |
| cpaelzer | I know that bug, it seems someone backported some changes to linux headers into bionic | 16:29 |
| cpaelzer | rbasak: I can fix it but no more today | 16:29 |
| cpaelzer | rbasak: I'll provide a follow on upload to go over the current one once I had the time for it | 16:29 |
| cpaelzer | rbasak: I'll let you know tomorrow | 16:29 |
| rbasak | cpaelzer: sure, though is it necessary to fix this current bug? | 16:30 |
| cpaelzer | no it is unrelated | 16:30 |
| rbasak | I'm open to ignoring the test if appropriate | 16:30 |
| rbasak | What do you think? | 16:30 |
| cpaelzer | I think waiting a day is fine | 16:30 |
| rbasak | OK, I'll wait then | 16:31 |
| rbasak | Thanks! | 16:31 |
| cpaelzer | rbasak: I added a comment to the bug so that anyone coming by knows | 16:32 |
| bdmurray | marcustomlinson: Can you explain a bit what happens in the cache.get_changes() loop? | 16:51 |
| bdmurray | re https://code.launchpad.net/~marcustomlinson/update-manager/update-manager/+merge/382291 | 16:51 |
| bdmurray | or Laney ^^ | 17:03 |
| marcustomlinson | bdmurray: we're looping through all packages that would be removed as a result of removing the replaced deb. If any of those have been manually installed we abandon the removal | 17:40 |
| marcustomlinson | e.g. in the case of snap-store replacing gnome-software. One may install ubuntu-software manually causing gnome-software to be marked auto | 17:40 |
| bdmurray | so ubuntu-software depended on gnome-software? I guess that's the part that wasn't clear to me. | 17:41 |
| marcustomlinson | bdmurray: yes | 17:41 |
| bdmurray | got it, okay I'll merge and upload | 17:41 |
| marcustomlinson | we'll run into more of this in the future. e.g. if we decide to replace libreoffice with the snap | 17:41 |
| marcustomlinson | we may look at libreoffice-core as the replaced deb | 17:42 |
| marcustomlinson | but one can install that via libreoffice, libreoffice-writer, etc. | 17:42 |
| marcustomlinson | thanks bdmurray | 17:42 |
| bdmurray | coreycb: If bug 1855890 is fixed can you update the status? | 18:15 |
| ubottu | bug 1855890 in nova (Ubuntu) "drop netcat dependency" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1855890 | 18:15 |
| coreycb | bdmurray: done, thanks for the nudge | 18:39 |
| hallyn | Laney: hm, i suppose my ubuntu.com account was also tied to ubuntu-core-dev, so i won't get a response :) | 20:31 |
| hallyn | i'm so sad | 20:31 |
| hallyn | hm, no, that's not how this mail is set up. oh well | 20:33 |
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| CarlFK | wifi regression - hp laptop Realtek RTL8188EE cosmic is fine. focal randomly (i guess) 261.278152] wlo1: deauthenticated and [ 2917.206570] rtlwifi: AP off, try to reconnect now | 21:30 |
| CarlFK | it just did that a bunch for a min or two, now is stable again. | 21:31 |
| CarlFK | what package should I log a bug? dpkg -S rtl8188ee gives me a bunch of hits | 21:39 |
| rbasak | Where's the script that generates https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.yaml? It outputs a !!python/object/apply:collections.defaultdict which is a pain to parse safely. I'd like to switch it for a regular dict. | 23:23 |
| jbicha | infinity: mmm, I kinda want debhelper 13 in focal. That way we can build packages that have set debhelper-compat = 13 | 23:44 |
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